Primal Rage 2 at The Galloping Ghost Arcade

[@CRISHTANG]

Thanks, Galloping Ghost Arcade! Nice to see so much attention being given to a game I thought time had truly forgotten. My name is Chris Tang and I was the Game Designer/Game Design Coordinator on the Primal Rage II game. I see a lot of discussions popping up in reference to this video, some of them are not quite accurate, so I'll try to clear up some of them here: - The Dinos were NOT removed from the game, they are actually all in there and have conversely morphing supermove combo by pressing PPP or KKK that has them switching back to human form temporarily. For location tests it was set so we could get data on the new characters so it is set up to time-unlock, or after X # of plays to unlock, to get the to dinos appear. You will see for yourself after the game gets a bunch of play. I believe there was also some kind of quick unlock code. - There is a THIRD character variant that lets you morph at will between the Dino and Human form manually. These are also unlocked via time/plays/code. I can't remember the manual morphing motion exactly but it shouldn't be hard to find. - Necrosan is the final boss of the game. There is an action figure of him made, along with the new beast Slashfang for the last wave of toys that Playmates produced. He was also playable though I do not know if he is unlocked for the field test version. - Game tweaking and tuning was, in my opinion, rather far from complete. The timings were about 80% done and it still had yet to undergo proper testing and adjustments for competitive play. This was one of my responsibilities so I feel bad that the last version released wasn't more finished. Sorry! (After the game got axed I went to Capcom where I worked on Street Fighter III, SFAlpha, and Marvel Vs. Capcom, among others) - I've seen people assume that the game was cancelled because it was horrible. I feel that it had some work to be done before it could be properly evaluated - but the real story is a lot more complicated than you might think. Atari Games in Milpitas was bought out during the middle of the project by Williams/Midway. There was a lot of political things out of our control that led to not only this project but MANY others being axed. One of which was being in competition with their parent company's fighting game releases. There was another fighting game being developed in the lab some years later called "Tenth Degree" - which I felt was even better than Rage II, and even it got cancelled!! - Some info that might help your players on the move system: 6 button config: (HQ) (HF) (HP) (LQ) (LF) (LP) You can chain any Q -> any F -> any P There is a 4th "Hyper" attack that can be interrupted into from any Q F or P, that is an uppercut that launches the enemy up for air juggles, you activate this by hitting HP+LP. To Throw, move toward + HP in close To Overhead Attack (must be blocked high), move toward + LP Push Start to Taunt To eat people, press D, D +HF+LQ There's literally volumes more that could be discussed about the game, I'll see if I can comment back some more later. Thank you for your interest and hope you enjoy the (unfinished!) game!

[@elorufus3970]

Xztophe thank tou so much for making the game

[@SyncroScales]

It's good this game has been archived. Xztophe I remember seeing this game Primal Rage 2 in arcades or corner/movie stores a few times. I even played it. But it was hard and glitchy (freezing, shut downs, movements not working, etc). I read that there were some test machines in various arcades in Canada and America. The game was advertised in the video game magazines. Can you confirm anything about who had access to Primal Rage 2? Were these copies/bootleg arcade cabinets?

[@Gojirilla]

As a frequent visitor of Galloping Ghost, I highly recommend visiting this arcade. Every time I go they have more and more cabinets. Great deal for unlimited play and they even have events and tournaments. Last event I went they had the cast of Mortal Kombat 3 in attendance.

[@jadedinosaur7573]

I want to weep it's so beautiful... As someone who truly loved the first, it's amazing to finally see a dream come true.

[@Videogamelover58]

10 years ago! Wow time flies by!!!!!

[@TheRealJPhillips]

Wow...an arcade exclusive...jus like the old days

[@ccvr6]

I'm about an hour from Brookfield (Indiana). I WILL be coming to play this!!! Omg.

[@baronspit1256]

I listened to the Podcast long before I ever saw any of the Galloping Ghost crew on video. I was not expecting most of them to be totally yoked. Those guys have some muscle. Surprised me a little.

[@DaGrizzlyAdams]

I want to make a trip up there from Oklahoma JUST to play this. Primal Rage was my childhood.

[@SuperJumpReviews]

Wow, this is like so freakin cool! It's probably not gonna mean much to people who don't play plays but for the gamer, this is like a piece of lost gaming history. You guys better bolt that pcb board down and hope no one tries to steal it.

[@Gruntzilla94]

Just to let everyone else know about the roms they are already on MAME however the version shown in this video is the 2 eprom variant while the one on MAME is the 4 eprom variant. The difference is that atari games, probably to condense the second board, combined data of the eproms into two only. Other than that they are both Version 0.36a the exact same version on MAME. When the board is shown at 1:16 you can see the board only has 2 eproms with tape on them (the blue tape) and below them is text saying "I'm feeling a little anxious if you know what I mean". I hope I made some sense on this.

[@VideoHeadMan]

This game is amazing. So in depth

[@Videogamelover58]

So much fun

[@marvelsgreatestfan]

I'm ecstatic. I live in England and am currently in Iowa for summer camp, and I see this. Fate has truley shined on me and the other lovers of rage!

[@ThunderFist1978]

I still remember my first visit to GGA. I filmed a video, and as soon as I saw this game, I put my arms out and called out, “Come here, you gorgeous monster!”

[@adidas1984x]

Please do a playthrough of this game

[@theinudemon]

Yes, please do.

[@bloodywanker231]

Primal Rage 2 & the new pinball room, I'll see you soon!

[@Jolt7800]

What a rare beauty and epic find!

[@SoundFantasy]

This place is so cool.

[@Dryxel]

this is so cool, galaxy world had this game up for less than a week, I was one of the few who got to play it. .. the next week when I went back the game was gone. .... forever. .

[@jonlawrence]

Wish this was closer, I would love to play it!

[@MrARCADEO]

Will have to check this out, during the week when it won't be swamped!

[@J4TFOI]

Haven't been out to Brookfield in quite some time. Will have to try & remember to stop by should I happen to be out that way in the future.

[@ChiefDaFlippa]

THANK YOU GGA for doing this FINALLY, i knew it would popup sooner or later. Please post gameplay.

[@atarigames1]

You mean 13 years after it originally was found?- www.safestuff.com/ragepage.htm

[@ChiefDaFlippa]

Scott Evans Ok a page with some pictures and a little story i already seen. You do know people already played this back in the 90's at location test so this game has been known to exist more than 13 years ago lol. Besides GGA do you know anybody with the game or seen gameplay or let anyone play it or brought it out to the public except for the ONE short video on youtube that was just uploaded LAST YEAR if so i sure would like to know. Thx again GGA for the first to do this i knew someone would do the right thing with this one day.

[@orciss474]

this is great! can't wait to see more game play

[@vegetarblessb]

I want to go there just to try this holy shit!!!!

[@tulextreme]

Nice vid guys! Damn i miss thoes saturday night arcade days! Keep it up!

[@mickpack]

Damn, gonna have to make a trip down to the Ghost!

[@BigChief014]

Dude I can't thank you enough for posting this! Sucks that I live overseas. If only you could upload the ROM. :'(

[@sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608]

No wonder he looks so fit; moving those machines around a lot would make anyone jacked haha.

[@Wesley_C]

This is classic game, i've never played this game of my life.

[@Gruntzilla94]

Thats so cool! I have always wanted to play this game!!! Too bad I don't live in Illinois :( I hope someone from my subscribers watches this and goes to record some footage of it! Thanks for showing this off!

[@bjamiork]

Along with Under the Big Top getting a huge music game room with DDR, PIU, and beatmania, I really need to get my ass back to IL so I can visit these places...

[@OldPangYau]

Holy crap, I had no idea this game ever made it this far! Congrats on the acquisition! Now just to snag Tattoo Assassins ;-p

[@punklover99]

Had to come here as a fan of the ghost and after the what happened episode

[@syxx573]

Awesome and congrats!!!!!

[@traximush]

A rare gem. i would pay the money to go down and play this game.

[@jinkus]

$15 all day!

[@traximush]

I live several thousand Miles away :P

[@111EJG]

Primal Rage 2 is MAMEd. Unfortunately it doesn't work yet. We have to keep waiting for the day that it becomes playable.

[@KingGameReview]

I'd definitely go check it out if I was anywhere near there.

[@CoryB_1980]

WOOOOW! This HAS to be MAME'd! I never knew this was ever made, looks pretty cool.

[@cf105cp]

IT HAS BEEN DUMPED. Can't play it due to the encryption though. If you can break the encryption, then you can play it and be a hero in the community. Noone who worked for Atari Games (the guys who made the game) is willing to release the encryption codes or tell how to break it. So it will remain unplayable, just like Primal Rage is not 100% playable on anything outside of the original arcade hardware due to the same issue.

[@Tchernobog]

thanks matthew lillard, wish i could go there

[@kingkazma3246]

You guys rock!

[@SuperMoostacheBro]

I've been there.I live right around there.Im going to go play it!

[@breaktube]

wow...so this will be at EVO this year ?

[@ricemenarq6230]

Holy shit you are Jack3d!

[@Jagotron]

Neat gotta check that out when I drop in

[@wilder9777]

Awesome Arcade

[@rooksdoubleohseven9919]

Tom Brady sold them the board!?! Was it a secret he had it? I guess it isn't a topic he would bring up doing MK or Injustice commentary. Wonder how much he got for it.

[@pronstorestiffi]

That is a nice get right there.

[@testdrive664]

Cool! I wish Microsoft would purchase the license and bring it back like they did Killer Instinct.

[@WaffleAfterHours]

So I know where I'm going first if I ever get to go to the States...

[@GreatHealer.]

Wow! This is rare! Amazing Surely this needs to be dumped and backed up roms chd etc

[@cf105cp]

It's been dumped already, many,many,many years ago. Again can't be played without the encryption codes so it's pointless. Do some research.

[@X2Jason86]

So awesome.

[@stargazer7668]

Dude this is bitchin I can’t wait to Visit your arcade oneday I use to live in the arcades where I’m located where there daily and seriously just miss the sounds the smell and the atmosphere…

[@JohnDubs]

Very awesome

[@videogamehunter820]

Awesome that you've acquired a prototype of the game. But I have to say that it's disappointing that the characters are human. What made Primal Rage so cool was that you were monsters. Oh well, it's still cool to see the unreleased game.

[@Igarappappa]

You could switch.

[@InbournAnkleBiter]

I've never looked into this game, or its previous iteration, but I love trying out classic fighters. I wonder if it's possible for this game to get a comeback with the use of Kickstarter.

[@RobertRamirez-pn7kz]

I bet doc Mac loves death metal and thrash metal music 🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@240Sil]

Looks sick!!!!

[@oblivion8910]

damn thats epic and the guy reminds me of danzig

[@bulliwyf]

so cool.

[@Chocolate_Flobs]

HYPEEEEEEEEEEE

[@TheWheelman1]

Now we need someone to make a downloadable rom of this so everyone can play.

[@edricpostins6471]

They've tried but the thing is glitch as hell.. They never actually managed to make a ROM of the original arcade game due to strong encryption of it.. Even when it was re-released on Playstation 2 it was a one of the ports and not the arcade original..

[@Spike1885]

yeah, i'd like it on snes roms. but still great that we get to see a little of it.

[@JFKHaircut]

The legends were true....

[@owlnonymous]

So the hardware is the Capcom Sony Zn-2 Boardset, but what is that daughter board? Was it converted from another set of Sony based hardware?

[@Itsgeestatus]

I Wanna See Mace The Dark Age N War Gods on here amongs other Arcade Classics like Capcom for Instance

[@VideosbySteve]

Runs of a hard drive? Didnt think many games would do this in '96 especially this one. I wonder how big the filesize is.

[@LUCKO2022]

Killer Instinct also ran off a hard drive. Allot of games from that era did actually.

[@ZacharyDietze]

Actually it's '97, not '96.

[@AnthonySDurant]

I'd like to see some game play of this

[@ChiefDaFlippa]

Anybody wanna see Primal Rage II new gameplay check out Galloping Ghost Arcade Twitch channel there's hour of it.

[@raegun]

Congrats! Have you reached out to the MAME folks to see if this can be archived digitally so it doesn't die with the hardware?

[@cf105cp]

IT HAS BEEN DUMPED. For fuck sakes, does noone even bother to research anything? MAME can't emulate it just like it can't emulate the original Primal Rage 100% because of the encryption that noone can break and the guys who made the games won't release the encryption codes nor are willing to disable the encryption. So this machine is as close as you are ever going to get now and forever unless you can break the encryption.

[@raegun]

Pleasant fellow. I did a cursory Google for what it's worth, but why bother researching when I can get entertained by those easy to upset?

[@raegun]

As far as the encryption goes, encryption is decrypted at some point. Meaning it's contained within this unit. However, in all likelihood extracting it would prove fatal to it if it's anything like the CPS3 so I wouldn't expect these folks would allow it to be so risked, understandably.

[@cf105cp]

Real O'Neil It is upsetting to see all these people go "dump the rom" all through the comment section. All they had to do is look on google and it is one of the first things that come up that the game was dumped close to a decade ago but can't be emulated due to the encryption.

[@ZacharyDietze]

Somebody needs to fix this encryption problem...

[@tskraj3190]

Any defense contractors in black suits watching you as you played? Did they come up and connect a laptop to the rom board and data mine? Asking for a friend. 😉

[@zkirbster]

Say "uh" one more time, Tommy Wiseau.

[@KingGameReview]

Do you have a copy of The Outfoxies? I love that game.

[@GallopingGhostArcade]

Yes we do have Outfoxies as well at the Galloping Ghost Arcade!

[@KingGameReview]

ghostlord000 dude.... next time I visit Chicago I'm definitely going to stop in

[@ArcadeFreak-gw5rp]

Wow doc that is awesome how do you find these treasures

[@punklover99]

Knowing people

[@antiquityvarmintwesleyhoag2909]

One of the things I really did realized that Primal Rage 2 is very much like Bloody Roar game series. What they do share some things in common. Is that they're both fighting games where they can change into mutant animals and fight each other. However unlike Bloody Roar, I personally do feel that Primal Rage 2 shouldn't have human fighters in it. Because it betrayed the first game's concept, where it's all about giant monsters fighting each other. Kind of like Rampage games. Primal rage games are not masterpieces when it comes to Street Fighters, Mortal Kombats, Fatal Furys, Darkstalkers, killer instincts, etc. Primal Rages feel more like junk food games, it looks great, it plays great, but it's very hollow on inside and feels lame. Bloody Roar were meant for the home systems, but Primal Rage were meant for the arcade systems and it does stand out better among many. It's good thing Primal Rage 2 didn't came out, because it would have feel odd and no longer gimmicky as it used to be anymore. Remake/reboot of the first Primal Rage (not the second with the human fighters thing, we don't need any more of that) would be wonderful as long it's faithful to the colorful art direction of the old 90's colorful game.

[@bryangreer1027]

Primal Rage 2 is like like seeing Jesus for the first time.

[@OlympicGaming]

move this to NYC :)

[@jaws1698]

It's in Chicago why would they move it?

[@GuiltyFighterX]

Please do share with the world. Make the emulator ROM for this jewel.

[@SolidSoul]

Dump it for emulation, so it can be preserved forever, and not lost to theft, weather, of eventual wear and tear! :( Nice find, too.

[@mixmasterp2k3]

Since when is Criss Angel into arcade games?

[@cantstanja]

So are you guys going to approach Warner Bros. (who I think owns the IP rights to it now) to have it fixed up and mass-produced?

[@cf105cp]

Can't do it without remaking the game from scratch. The game is encrypted and noone from Atari Games is willing to release the encryption. The only way to play the game is off that original board and hard drive. Once those die, the game goes with it.

[@ThomasCarnillJr]

I'm more than willing to make some custom art for you guys to get printed up for that machine. I personally didnt think PR2 was a very good game, but that doesnt mean it doesnt deserve to be in a pretty machine

[@atarigames1]

The correct art is pictured here- www.safestuff.com/ragepage.htm.

[@RobertRamirez-pn7kz]

Why does he remind me of Chuck shuldiner from death

[@lordkaicer]

damn this is great, this has to be dump to keep it archive.

[@lordkaicer]

yeah the encryption has not been broken yet

[@TruMorbid]

I saw this at the Game Zone they used to have in Newark back when it was still being tested. I hated it. I wanted dinosaurs, not giant fucking humans that turned into dinosaurs.

[@Al-dp7hw]

You know all that time time you spent thanking people you could've instead done a quick playthrough to actually show more of the game, and this would've been more interesting.

[@DustMan2704]

im kinda cool with it not being released, the premise of the "gods" now being human martial artists who only temporarily transform into beasts.... is a pretty lame premise.

[@soonk86]

you can also play as just the dinosaurs :)

[@DustMan2704]

Soonk Delgado wait wut......fuck you, now i want it to be released!

[@ZacharyDietze]

The whole avatar premise is just an addition to the plot. In Primal Rage II, the meteor that apparently crash landed on Urth contained the new avatars, to challenge and finish off the monsters once and for all. How you may ask? Simple, they steal their abilities and abilities. Of course, the story as far as we know has never been finished, and although the whole avatar thing is stupid for a series such as this, it doesn't mean that it's the worst thing ever. Hell we don't even think that the avatars would be featured in a part III anymore, since the whole thing sounds absurd. I like the arrival from a meteor part, and it would've worked well with more monsters and dinosaurs, but really? Cartoony human-like characters? No... The game wasn't only cancelled for the story though, it was also cancelled mostly because the newer arcade games in the late 90's started to flop and lose business, thus, Primal Rage II never officially released. However, they did have a few pre-made and finished arcade machines beforehand, and only a handful of people in the entire world got to collect this ancient treasure. People even tried emulating it, but it's hard to do because it's encrypted. One day though, it won't be encrypted anymore, same with the first game, and by then, emulators of them will be available everywhere on the internet. It make take several years, but it's still possible to emulate eventually nevertheless.

[@DustMan2704]

Zachary Jorgensen TL;DR and 1 fuckin year too late.

[@ad7799]

We need that game! Dump it!!!

[@cf105cp]

It's been dumped for years. You just can't run it in MAME because of the encryption, and noone who worked on the game is willing to break the encryption. Just like when you emulate the original Primal Rage it doesn't run like the arcade version again due to the encryption, blood color is changed, missing animations, locked out fatalities and more. You break the encryption and you would be considered a hero. Here is your chance.

[@ad7799]

CF-105 Games aaaaah, ok.... Thanks anyway!

[@cf105cp]

Sparky Spellborn I would try to help break the encryption but I am not that good at coding. It would be nice to have a 100% Primal Rage and to play Primal Rage 2 but alas, that is not going to happen.

[@ad7799]

CF-105 Games Yeah, i know.... But, good luck!

[@williamhill1984]

@@cf105cp lie

[@nabuconosorable]

Necesito el ROM de este juego para MAME. (i need the ROM of this game for MAME)

[@horaciodelre2210]

It does'n work in MAME.

[@ihavetubes]

MAME4RAGE2

[@Lil.Grandpa]

WAT

[@PsyEdaz4u]

DUMP this PCB please...

[@ChiefDaFlippa]

Already been done years ago, this is the same game with the same encryption so no use dumping this.

[@PsyEdaz4u]

Really? Done by Team Guru? Cuz most other groups are usually plebs...