Primal: The Awakening Gameplay Preview (runthrough)

[@TheShadesOfBlack]

Ive never been more scared than when he slaps the cards onto the second greenscreened table that I didnt know existed. Actually a genius way to show off cards in a livestream, but I couldnt have expected it less

[@danielbecerra2305]

Fantastic coverage, the set-up, greenscreen and all that are finally doing justice to your relentless enthusiasm about gaming. Keep it on!

[@fy8798]

Fantastic runthrough. The game has a lot to watch out for, and seeing that in action in full really works well to see how it all works and comes together, mistakes and all!

[@snoochieboochies197]

Thanks for this fantastic explanation of the gameplay. Really appreacited it. Awesome set up going here as well. Made it easy to follow along.

[@HoosierHound]

Really clever how you backtracked on your first turn to avoid the tail card activating, and instead drew into 2 front cards activating. I don't think anyone but you could have pulled that off! Haha!

[@rahdo]

it's my superpower! :)

[@cyrilsola4657]

Great vidéo ! During her first turn, is jane allowed to deal the 7 damages usine her special ability ? Because she is in front of the monster By the way this game seems quite good but quite expensive as well

[@tribalguy2]

13:39 Looks like that card would let you choose yourself or another player to draw a card. Also, similar thing at 16:54.

[@estilniap]

Since the beginning You were using cards from the sword and shield character into the great bow deck. The art on the cards represent the character and the back has the symbol of the weapon they belong. They first card Jen played is “Surrounded” ethical belongs to S&S character

[@jmerb78]

this was a particularly brutal playthrough, mistake-wise. really hard to evaluate the game when you need to rewind constantly.

[@JesseAStern]

Armor would not stop crystal spear damage as Armor only triggers and stops damage when an attack card is played (and crystals spears ability is not playing an attack card). From the learn to play: "Armor (token): when you play an Attack card, if the monster has an Armor token, discard it and cancel the damage the card would have dealt (both Weapon damage and eventual additional damage from the card ability)." kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJbTon6opL-BgZo

[@silitradragos]

Watches using spear attack with blue cards, notices one of them is actually a shield and sword card and not bow card xD great success

[@JimmySquiky]

Looks like a game from the Monster Hunter franchise.

[@dakotahensley4194]

i think that was the genre they were going for

[@JimmySquiky]

@@dakotahensley4194 Yeah they even copied too much imo.

[@evanchen4706]

The graphic design looks gorgeous

[@tribalguy2]

Pretty sure that’s a wyvern, not a wyrven.

[@rahdo]

yeah, i always get that wrong, i should have just said dragon!

[@andrewdecavia7553]

Any thoughts on this vs Monster Hunter World now that more playthroughs are available to watch? This is starting to look busier, more fiddly and because of overall heavier. MHW seems like a lot at first but after watching the 3 playthroughs currently available I can already follow all the steps and know what’s next. This seems like a lot more to remember, know or reference.

[@rahdo]

i haven't watched any MHW videos yet, so i can't say. as i understand it, both games are about taking down uber monsters with diceless card driven combat, so it'll come down to which game has the stronger card play, and also which fosters stronger co-op interaction between players :)

[@boardgametime3727]

Amazing coverage Rahdo, thank you !! :D

[@Jonaelize]

Monster Hunter, the boardgame? Thanks for covering this!

[@Jukejointjeze0n]

Funny fact, there is also a Monster Hunter IP game coming to KS this year. But its being run by Steamforged, so take that into account.

[@Jonaelize]

@@Jukejointjeze0n If this is like Monster Hunter the Movie, I pass :D

[@pesmerga275]

Considering the frankly insane price they're asking for ($170 core w/o shipping) and how blatantly it copies Monster Hunter, I really wonder if they should have tried to get the IP themselves? Or maybe they already did try, because I feel like more folks would be willing to sink that amount of cash if the knew the property.

[@leebloketube]

@@pesmerga275 I agree. They are doing pretty well so far though. They have over £1m already!

[@TheMperor5]

@@pesmerga275 i would think people are less likely to spend money on a conversion from a video game. Those are usually not very good.

[@69robtaylor]

Saw the price of the basegame , immeadiatly turned off the run through. No disrespect to Rahdo here, I’m a big fan. But there’s no way I’m paying that, plus shipping for just the basegame.

[@Sulucion6Tone]

A card game that they charge $300+shipping for. yup NO GO from me.

[@Amaraxis]

The cards that say "choose a player to draw cards"...could you have chosen yourself?

[@fredericcourcy1915]

Yes

[@ryanfournier9522]

I want to back this so bad the gameplay looks GREAT but man that price tag is so high for basically a card game. You’re just paying for minis that don’t do anything

[@Hahahahaaahaahaa]

I mean, they didn't have to put art on any of the cards, the board, the box, or the gear. That doesn't 'do' anything either. Everything could have been plain text on white and you'd get the same mechanics. But somehow the people that hate minis never seem to complain about that stuff...

[@tengobotas]

@@Hahahahaaahaahaa the base game is $160

[@ryanfournier9522]

@@Hahahahaaahaahaa I mean, I LOVE minis I have a ton of miniature games, I don’t feel in this game though they are worth the extra money you are paying for what they are used for. That’s my opinion and you don’t have to share it. I won’t be backing for those reasons though. I also just spent 400 on the Nemsis Ks with Lockdown last year so not willing to spend the money on this in comparison that doesn’t really need them in my personal opinion.

[@mikemalley1909]

I would love to jump forward a year and a half to find out how well-written the rule book is, because man am I tired of buying games with rule books that are obviously lacking.

[@JimmySquiky]

If it's successful(which it looks like it is, already 1,4 million) it'll probably have a 2nd KS after the 1st delivers with more expansion.

[@TheMperor5]

@@JimmySquiky they already have 3 expansions in the current ks. Or maybe it's more like day one dlc 😅

[@JimmySquiky]

@@TheMperor5 I was probably wrong about a second KS but in the FAQ they said there is going to be a retail version if they're successful.

[@boggerblogger]

42:39 According to the rulebook p.44 you compare the attrition value with the Stamina points (teardrop, bottom left of card) not the Stamina cost (diamond, top left) - in this instance they were both one so no issue. However at 52:29 the cost was 0 but the points was 2 so Jen would have legitimately stayed on. Just an fyi. Looks a cool game but too pricey for me. Thanks for the runthrough.

[@PauloRenato23]

note added... thanks

[@Amaraxis]

@rahdo 21:00 - you gained 2 stamina at the end of your turn. The armor card says you can accumulate 2 instead of 1, but to gain a second you need 3+ cards in your hand. I might be wrong..just from what it looks like on the card

[@PauloRenato23]

the card says you can accumulate 2 Stamina instead of just one... then it says "at the end of your turn, if you have 2+ cards in your hand take 1 extra stamina token"

[@Kentchangar]

Did anyone else hear: "Scary Door Mat" :'D

[@remofubu]

This game looks so cool and I like the theme (big monster hunter fan) but like u said there is so much going on it seems really hard to remember everything. I'm really on the fence...

[@victorgonzalez2927]

Reminds me of Aeon’s End with minis.

[@rahdo]

yes i could have drawn parallels there, definitely

[@xChikyx]

omg, aeons end is my favorite deck builder... so anxious to see how the deck plays

[@victorgonzalez2927]

@@xChikyx it is also my favorite deck builder. I don’t think this game is anything like Aeon’s End other than the feeling of going up against a big bad boss. What this game does if give you the physical representation of that battle. I like the concept, but with the price point it looks like a huge cash grab by dangling beautifully detailed minis in front of the buyer. I’m a little burnt out on the cash grab by creators.

[@xChikyx]

@@victorgonzalez2927 i'm 15mins into the video and yeah, it looks pretty different. The idea reminds me more like kingdom death monster

[@victorgonzalez2927]

@@xChikyx I don’t own KDM so I wouldn’t know, but from I’ve seen I agree. I was more speaking to the feeling I get when playing another game.

[@gamesjunkie]

Seems really cool! That said, no way 17 minis and a pile of cards is worth that $200+ (after tax and shipping) price tag though. Something doesn't add up there. Eesh. But to each their own. I honestly hope the people that buy it will enjoy it and get enough plays out of it to justify the cost.

[@Amaraxis]

And, while the figures and art are beautiful...the little tokens look like they cardboard or the like...which makes no sense since everything else is high quality. Gloomhaven was about the same price...not sure if that was worth it eithwr

[@gamesjunkie]

@@Amaraxis Yeah, something in my gut tells me with Primal having something like 1200+ cards, they're going to be low quality too. I sure hope a huge chunk of the absurd asking price is going to the miniature artists or maybe they worked on this for 10 years or something. Who knows? I hear nothing but amazing things about Gloomhaven, but the overall quality is thoroughly unimpressive, and I don't trust the abnormal hype. I find it hard to believe it's THAT good.

[@steve_gatsis]

I am not sure if it has shipping costs. I ( living in Greece, which is next to Italy for what matters) was not charged woth shipping. So maybe you want to check it out first , pressing "back the project" and see if it gets your final price higher

[@gamesjunkie]

@@steve_gatsis Shipping costs get added in after the Kickstarter ends when they charge your account. You can bet on somewhere in the ballpark of 15-20 USD, and maybe even more because 1200 cards is going to be a HEAVY box. It's possible it might cost you less though, being so close.

[@mikemalley1909]

Shipping is a minimum of $30 according to the Kickstarter page.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

6:44 "I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink He sings the songs that remind him of the good times He sings the songs that remind him of the best times (Oh Danny Boy, Danny Boy, Danny Boy) I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down He drinks a Whiskey drink, he drinks a Vodka drink He drinks a Lager drink, he drinks a Cider drink He sings the songs that remind him of the good times He sings the songs that remind him of the best times (Don't cry for me, next door neighbour) I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down (when we're winning) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down (ooh) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down (when we're winning) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) but I get up again You are never gonna keep me down (ooh) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (when we're winning) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (ooh) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (when we're winning) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (ooh) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (when we're winning) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (ooh) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (when we're winning) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (ooh) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (when we're winning) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (ooh) I get knocked down, (we'll be singing) But I get up again (pissing the night away) You are never gonna keep me down (when we're winning)"

[@dualgamer8403]

good gameplay

[@xChikyx]

does this also sound like kingdom death monster?

[@jhowd78]

I would say on the surface yes, but the card play in this game is completely different and even the equipment cards have more depth. This game overall has more depth in gameplay and a little lighter on the upkeep side. Also the reaction system is really unique. It's really cool and different

[@xChikyx]

@@jhowd78 yeah, i noticed that, i'll see if I can save for this one... with the economy as it is right now...

[@rahdo]

hey party people!

[@Sulucion6Tone]

@@jhowd78 Sadly this game doesn't even come close to the depth and thematic gameplay of KDM. After a couple gameplays of Primal, it actually gets pretty damn boring and with the pricetag they put on it for a cardgame is a joke.

[@jhowd78]

@@Sulucion6Tone after playing it I 100% disagree. The actual card play and positioning is deeper. I love KDM and I totally disagree. The cqmp part is waaay lighter in primal from what I've experienced. Noone can beat KDM in that category. To me KDM is honestly the most thematic game I've played, but I wouldn't directly try to compare the two. Just by having the robust expedition mode, they aren't trying to "beat" them at their game. Its just different and the card plays out more thematic than you think

[@JJ_TheGreat]

17:59 The expected value E(X) of attrition, based on 10 cards of: Value: # of Cards: 0 1 1 5 2 3 3 1 is: E(X) = (1/10)(0)+(5/10)(1)+(3/10)(2)+(1/10)(3) E(X) = 0 + 5/10 + 6/10 + 3/10 = 14/10 = 7/5 = 1&2/5 = 1.4

[@haramlee83]

Looks like Nalgakuga and barioth

[@simon5666]

Game price getting more expensive every year ㅠ.ㅠ

[@rahdo]

well, everything gets more expensive every year, not just boardgames :)

[@ghyslainabel]

@@rahdo I have yet to watch the video, but on the surface, it sounds like Aeon's End + the price of minis. I love minis as much as the next guy, but not every game needs them.

[@rahdo]

strictly speaking, NO game needs minis. they only serve to enhance aesthetics of the game :)

[@tatujuntunen7668]

this makes me want to play monster hunter

[@wierdbob]

This looks like a simpler , kinder , Kingdom Death Monster with less wang.

[@andrewmayo9400]

this seems like a kingdom death clone

[@rahdo]

inspired by, sure. clone, definitely not even a tiny bit.

[@Urek968]

I have not played kingdom death but just the board alone makes it completely different. What makes it a clone? The fact that its a boss battler. KDM is the first board game boss battler but other games were bound to do it at some point. Even if KDM didn't exist these games would have come out eventually.

[@NiceGuyCampbell]

This looks almost nothing like KDM.

[@kcw1879]

Wow. Umm. This is only the 2nd game I have ever backed in my life. I was so excited to play this with friends who I play games like Divinity and Borderlands with. But after watching this video, I am so disappointed in the game complexity. Oh I forgot; whoops I did not do that; uh oh, I did not use that rule; wait, I have to redo that; oh ya, that term can do that, or that, or that. What a mish-mash of fiddly rules and if/and/or exceptions. It's like if a game mated with flow chart made by Sheldon. If I showed this to the potential friends I was planning to play this with, they'd either run away screaming or start crying.

[@alain2243]

You are the greates cheater hahaha