Prime 1 Studio SCREWING OVER Collectors? Are Re-Issues Fair Game?

[@Fiorwestcoast]

I canceled two orders from p1 yesterday. This is the last straw for p1. They screwed over the og collectors. And this is going to backfire on the company. The es was originally 850 for the dx. Collectors had 3 YEARS to pre order before that lowered the es to 250. Then collectors got it and loved it. Then casual collectors were mad that it was an ES. This isn't how this hobby works. And no one should be buying this recast. Which is what it is.

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

Appreciate your thoughts as always!!😲❤️

[@wangzihao5713]

Especially after confirming with the P1S that there will be no more production of this statue (back-wall versions) as they were sold out, I bought them from a secondhand dealer at a double price. NOW THEY FUCKING RE-RELEASE IT? I HATE P1S!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@davidmcclain8851]

The whole idea of an re-issue is a kick in the balls to the true collectors. No double dipping!!!

[@MattMatt77]

But I do see this as common for Japanese companies.

[@joshwent]

Prime 1 and other companies need to be careful with this. I think even for collectors who plan on keeping a piece for life, resale value is something that's taken into consideration when considering value. Like a house you might plan on living in it your whole life, but you buy it knowing that it should retain its value so that you can pass that equity on eventually. If these companies make any moves that could diminish that perceived value it might make all collectors weary of current pricing of pieces as is, until there's much more transparency, just like you said.

[@entennstudio]

If people still didn’t figure it out that P1 gives literally no ***** about the market, their customers, or the community than they have another thing coming. Very unethical.

[@pishposh4506]

I don't understand why prime 1 doesn't cover return shipping for broken statues. Sideshow does. I know it costs more to ship overseas but that should be the company's problem, that's the risk of being in business for this hobby and the company should have a budget for it. It makes 0 sense to make a customer have to pay for a broken statue

[@kiosh]

i spent my money based in the "limited" edition it was. Now they broke that rule. I want my money back

[@josephbang6474]

Nothing new, remember the Sideshow Poison Ivy Green Envy or 2nd edition Bowen Grendel statues? The difference now is that statues average almost $2k now. These re-issues, new colors or scale, destroy collectiblity and integrity of the company. Everyone will be thinking twice before they open their wallets. If its not limited then they should be more affordable.

[@tanner2238]

Props to Sideshow. My storm came in with one of her tiny little earrings broken off. They sent me a whole replacement head in 3 days free of charge. At this point all the companies are making amazing pieces. Why go with a company that is on the wrong side of customer service when theres multiple now making mind blowing pieces and still getting the customers service right

[@WitchKing73]

Unfortunate situation for previous collectors with broken pieces who couldn't get replacements.

[@ravencomiccollector4019]

It is absolutely shady. What is our hobby turning into, Hot Toys? Whats the point of having numbered editions if they can just be bought at any time. Really kills the exclusivity and value. Part of the price gouge these companies attempt to justify is with edition sizes. If theyre gunna be shady like this, they better lower the price.

[@damageinc5752]

This is a major no no in the statue collecting game. It has a ES number on the bottom of the base for a reason. Not cool at all.

[@Panda_Roll]

Prime 1 just did their customers dirty. I'm more into Japanese and Chinese figures and recently a company called FREEing did the the same thing. Honestly it caused a lot and I do mean A LOT of people to just drop them. I just think this kind of shady business practice is very short sighted. Yes as a company you make a quick cash grab but if you get a reputation of doing this will you get as many PO for your other figures down the line?

[@majikarus]

I don't even own this and it pisses me off. What does LIMITED EDITION mean to Prime 1? I guess it's just a number.

[@clutch2827]

Re-released it with improvements based on complaints, suggestions, and problems that the original purchasers had. And RIGHT after the originals were released. I knew they were shady but this takes it to a new level.

[@Ultimate_Wasabi]

I've seen something similar with the DC Comics art print market. Way back, DC Comics released limited (some very) giclées of Alex Ross, Jim Lee, etc. art through the WB stores. Since that time, some of those editions that were reselling at high prices on the secondary market were reprinted in a larger version (dimensions) for a targeted market like Europe or made into a special proof. In other cases, some were reprinted as lithographs and sold through Sideshow. Imagine how annoying it is to have a limited piece of art that you purchased at thousands of dollars only to watch it get reprinted years later and watch the market value tank? Thankfully, I've managed to avoid those devaluation issues, but I do feel for the people whom it affected.

[@wayne__noon]

Def this prime 1 should be careful with things like this

[@ma9ical1]

Since when Prime 1 cares about customers? They only care about money.

[@bedfordshiremodeller4491]

Truth🙌

[@aj1875]

And I would like to know if a company like prime 1 said no more editon sizes, will people still buy, I think you'll see who's a real collector and who's just trying to resell

[@laliepop]

Anything that is “limited” should remain so,a big part of owning something that is gives you the notion of having a special item and in return hold more value.More production should mean less cost for material Witch should transfer to the end consumer,I wouldn’t mind paying less for something I want but I would rather have something someone else doesn’t have.

[@dereklee7009]

I have never sold any statues. But if you say a statue is limited to this number it should stay limited to that number. But I have gotten to the point where I don’t trust a statue being limited and I don’t like spending big dollars on them anymore. If what I purchase won’t retain value I’m not comfortable putting the money into it.

[@jasonw3479]

This does seem pretty sketchy. I can understand people being upset.

[@animegeek6118]

I only get prime 1 piece if their available at sideshow. Shipping overseas doesn’t make them worth it when you’re basically paying for another statue.

[@jakeel85]

This is a strange move for P1. They must know this will piss people off. They would've been better off just making a different Alien piece. Why piss people off with a variant/remake?

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

Agreed

[@riv3ra83]

As long as it is not an identical copy I don't see a problem with it. Let everyone have a chance to collect what they like.

[@ferver-san]

I cannot tell you how much i enjoy hunting down an older grail piece,paying 2000$ premium for it and when it arrives to me ,it has some some kind of issue the seller didn't disclose. I wish i could have this experience with all the products i buy and companies never have adequate merchandise for all of their customers because i need this extra stress in my life.

[@Bdonlee15]

Yea as a newer collector it sucks knowing that I will never get a chance to own some of those older pieces. At this point I don’t even look at them

[@CaBdosdos]

Statue collectors are a bunch of cry babies they really really are.

[@arcaderunner2188]

@@Bdonlee15 Don’t fret. Newer pieces make older ones less attractive.

[@Ashley-vi8jw]

From what I understood the base was coming apart due to moisture. I think prime 1 being aware of their product issue they should have taken care of those customers to repair the product. Instead they spent money to make more money. Classy. 😒

[@chaelwright8450]

I think you're confusing collector one and collector two. Everyone buys a statue to keep, if you don't then you're a flipper. I would think every collector buys a piece because they love it, think it's a work of art and fits in their collection. However, life happens. Maybe a new statue comes out of the same character that you think is better than the one you have and you want to "upgrade". Possibly a grail has become available to you and selling a few statues will get you what you want. That's okay. As far as Prime 1 goes they showed poor business practices in regards to the breakages of the first BIG CHAP. They should have taken care of their customers. I agree they should be up front up doing variants down the road. Maybe collectors could use their collective voice to show this displeasure or to ask Prime 1 to be more transparent.

[@VulcanEditing]

I thought it was identical, learning bout them changing it a bit and the fact that the original had so many issues with it, I think this is OKAY. However i do NOT want this to be a standard. To keep it simple, idc what type of a collector a person is, if a studio puts an edition size to a product, then re-releases it identically or even really close for no decent reason, then that's them going back on their own word and taking money out of the collectors pockets that have that product, and putting it in their own. Obviously I stand by the fact that the best thing they could've done was to fix the issues with the original piece itself.

[@Johnny-dz6vl]

You have made a very good point. This could go sideways for both Prime one and the collecting community, it then raises the issue "limited to say 1000pcs world wide" then do these numbers really exist? As for the collecting community, they ARE being used. Not a good look regardless 😕

[@borgcube1of292]

First just like to say thanks for another great video and topic. I'm a buy it and hold it state of mind currently. Even so, time and situation means I want the value to hold. I've seen this practice of slight change to other forms of art means it's now considered a unique piece. By definition this is true, but I think it's unfair practice that can water down the value for existing owners. We see this from Hot Toys, Iron Studios, & some others...however some big differences. 1st the pricing is much lower, & 2nd they're not waiving around an ES with the get it now or never see it again. In my opinion re-issue with very little changes especially no change to the focal point with the price tag of these larger statues should be a big no no. You want to re-do the same character fine, change the pose and some of the paint (where possible) or change the scale of the piece or have the foresight to set higher ES or open ended ES to begin with. This case is compounded by the break issues with what I'd say is a forced poor option of resolution (small credit). If I had a broken first run piece, I'd say definitely make me whole again with replacement (plan for that as part of the new run). This could blow up in their face a bit because it might cause some hesitancy on future sales...can you be trusted when you issue an ES? What other corners will you cut to increase profits? Integrity is hard to get, but very easy to lose if not careful. If you read this far, thanks for reading my very long hot air filled comment. Last word, hope those that do have the first run of this are made whole & happy by the time the dust settles.

[@KainSwiss]

Awful practice! It's very shady to me. Great explanation to others also!

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

Thanks

[@stryker-4733]

it comes to a very simple word be kind you got to be kind to your customers because I collect sixth scale figures as well as some statues and we all don't want when we get them in the mail and open a box that nothing is scratched or broken but sometimes not all the time those things happen and when you call them and they give you the information of what they could do you will like for them to solve the problem especially the amount of money that you are putting especially when it comes to statues now it's not an entitlement but I feel that if your customers are spending the amount of money on your statues and something happen accidentally you would do your best to try and solve the problem you don't want the refund them but you will like to fix the problem so that they can have a collectors item that works for them to not want to give you the part simply because in their mind s*** happens but they're going to have the nerve to reissue a piece and still don't want to help you out respect your customers not doing much gives a bad look it's like telling the person we could care less about your problem it doesn't matter if that collector doesn't buy a lot of statues maybe one or two a year or even if a person buys 10 in a year at the end of the day you've got to be kind to your collectors be kind to your customers cuz when you do they collect more because they like the business that you are doing and prime one with their reputation they should have a great customer service with their collectors so simply put #bekind

[@russellpierce4442]

I would be mad and I dont have a dog in the hunt

[@babsyjanssen9472]

They did the same thing on the Bloodborne Maria. The Ex version was 750 pieces worldwide. And later on they made the exact same piece but the base was a bit smaller and there was no table with cup on it. By the way HAVE A GREAT BIRTHDAY ! !

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

Thank you so much!!

[@mikestainbrook6311]

ya Chris id be pissed especially if the statue was the same if the changes where drastic then thats different but I can see why people get up in arms about it myself I havent been into statues long enough to get mad about things I love them all lol but ya touchy subject for sure!!

[@rick-val22]

I think once a company states what an ES is going to be they should stick to it. Coming back later and re-releasing a statue is bad business practice, because it does alter the value of the original release of statues that were purchased by collectors. If they go back and make significant changes to the new release than that is fair game. But I tell you what, I came into this hobby late, and started off small so there are statues that I completely missed and statues that at the time were out of my budget or what I was comfortable to spend, that I would love for them to re-release. i.e. The Batman Who Laughs and Hush Superman.

[@IrcnStark]

I don't pay attention to edition sizes when I order, I buy if I like the statue. That said, I definitely wouldn't want to be losing money on a piece because a statue was reissued. I started collecting Hot Toys right before the pandemic and all of the Iron Man figures I wanted were aftermarket and going for ridiculous amounts of money. I paid it because I wanted those pieces on my shelf. Cut to - Hot Toys is probably going down the track of re-releasing all of those same figures I paid almost double for. I'm a little salty about that. It killed the value of those figures, but on the other hand I'm glad to have them on my shelf. Statues are another price tier entirely though and I think I'd be much saltier if a statue company started reissuing everything.

[@MattTheAlienCollector]

I'm angry about what they've done. I ordered the original based on it being limited edition with a set es. I also got it as it was the only version they were doing. Had they announced the new version at the same time as the original I'd have ordered the new version. Smaller base (didn't care for the wall) and 1 box not 2 so shipping would have been waaaaay cheaper (I'd probably have saved $400 on shipping) plus the new one is cheaper as standard. This whole thing is a disgrace. They've lost my custom and I was going to order the warrior, Ripley and had the 1/3 predator on order. Would probably have caved got one bust for it too. And that's just the starters. That lost world statue looks promising... Done with them. Oh and for the record I don't ever plan on buying to sell, I'm a collector (well I was, probably about time to sell up :/)

[@danielcaruso6201]

I collect to keep but owning anything that has a limited edition is always nice and if that limited status is affected then i can definitely see how that would annoy people.

[@cosmicfortress8121]

good that you are making a video on this

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

Thanks

[@night746]

Does create resale problems for first piece but true collectors will seek out first edition piece vs 2nd run! But it’s an opportunity for new collectors to get a chance to own this piece 😬

[@evettc7887]

Agreed and for some editions that where really small it would be nice for a reissue. But they should be clearly marked as second edition.

[@sabin23]

It is fair and unfair - Two things can be equally true. For limited edition pieces I own, a part of me is not pleased with re-issues. But at the same time, I have to put myself in the shoes of new collectors who missed out - I was once that new person to the hobby or could not afford the absurd aftermarket prices. While I enjoy the exclusivity, I collect more for the love of the hobby and not for resale value or to resell - so I welcome new collectors to our club.

[@romart1527]

Limited collectables should always Limited!!!

[@irishalucard8448]

Glad that you are making a video on this, hopefully more people will as well. This is a giant middle finger to the collectors and is shady as hell as you said.

[@chrisreynolds7394]

Even if you are buying it to keep, that doesn't mean you would want something that is mass produced. Exclusivity means something beyond monetary value. The Big chap itself is the selling point. It would have been acceptable if it were a different scale or color variant, but to rerelease the same statue is a complete slap in the face to collectors (especially with what happened with us having to settle for damaged pieces). With that said, I hold no animosity to collectors excited to pick up the new version. Good for them.

[@lteelana]

If you're salty, you have your reasons and that is fine. I personally have no problems with reissues. It gives collectors a chance to get something they might have missed out on for whatever reason. Plus, aftermarket prices have gotten ridiculous with shipping, etc. Exclusivity is nice, but something just as good or better is often coming down the pipeline. Advances in the technology that goes into engineering these statues; new designs, better paint application, character likenesses etc. This limited edition Big Chap is different from the OG, and will likely (hopefully) be better engineered and not suffer from the issues the OG did. Also, if something's a cluster all around, better to start from scratch than to try and band-aid several things. As you said Chris, replacement parts are not always guaranteed to work.

[@Fiorwestcoast]

They didn't miss out. They simply didn't want it, until og collectors loved theirs. THEN they wanted it. They had 3 years to pre order before the es was determined. That is not how this hobby works.

[@lteelana]

@@Fiorwestcoast Um, wow. Okay then. I did say that if collectors were upset by the reissue situation that was okay too. There is no right or wrong answer. I was simply giving my opinion on the situation.

[@guanhuattoh5618]

As a collector myself for the past 20 years, i have seen many companies eventually vanish and fade away after they start off with those b***shit terms called REISSUE, RE=PACK or RE-UPGRADE etc. They must always draw a line where collectibles with edition number, should NOT BE reissue or reproduce anymore. High-end figures like Hot Toys, .... yes there is no way to stop them to reissue bcos in the first place, it never had any edition number at all. But seems like Hot Toys 2nd market had drop so bad after they reissue all those grail pieces.

[@dewshbag16]

I remember I’m a little while back Sideshow did a very similar thing where they re-issued a Batman statue. I believe it was the it was the PF Batman statue where looks like he has leather a chaps but it could’ve been another statue, i’m not 100% sure.

[@drocksteadyreviews]

This is definitely a problem for collectors that flip statues as a business or just to fund the hobby. Me personally I’m very particular about the statues I purchase. I buy statues of my favorite characters to display in my home and take into consideration mainly space and price. The Edition Sizes are never a part of my decision or what they could sell for down the line. Now would I love for statues that have been long sold out to rise again with an expansion to the edition size… yes. I personally don’t see a problem with it but I can 100% understand any outrage when I company may do this.

[@evettc7887]

Am the enjoy it collector and hope everyone who wanted one gets one. But it is nice to know that you could resell it for almost or more than its original price. Life does happen and if your spend $1,500 and it drops to $300 in two years in* value, It would really hurt collectors who invest in these statues and make it so some couldn't collect. Anything over $1,000 reissue is a bit of a slap unless it's a drastic change and almost a different staue.

[@SolidLiquidFox]

When a company messes around with the collectible integrity of their items they suffer the fate of Sideshow. Sideshow lost huge market share and goodwill once they wanted a piece of the aftermarket pie.

[@arcaderunner2188]

Source? Do you have the data to support this?

[@freddierodriguez2608]

I've been collecting since 2017 and as much as I like the remake statue I will not buy because it is a remake and it is not fair even though I am making a collection to keep forever once is complete.

[@nrgspike]

Variant - that's the word, by the sounds of it it's not a like-for-like reissue so... sure. While I can understand the frustration up to a point, I fall squarely into the category of not caring about exclusivity or edition sizes. Personally I wish they'd sell the 3d files so I could just print my own - and I'm going to keep tossing that suggestion out into the universe while pigs fly overhead.

[@Fr33climb]

If there are differences between the pieces then it feels like a variant reissue like how Sideshow does it. Doesn’t seem like a big issue to me, but I’m part of the first group of collectors. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@axelandpixel]

even if they did this years down the line, it wouldn't be right, but doing this just 3 months of having received it is pretty brutal I find. If prime1 see that people are happy with their new slimy business practises, then that will open the floodgates for them to revisit any of their existing pieces, make a slight altercation and re release it. At that point, the ES won't really mean anything if at any moment they can come back and do this over and over.

[@stephensturges5711]

even if they changed something to re-release it you would still have the original version. Yours still holds value

[@bedfordshiremodeller4491]

What you do mean by ES? 🤨🤷‍♂️

[@dallasknight4854]

Thing is Chris Hot Toys did it with The bat tumbler. Which I purchased for £550 and then people later started complaining in that the resale value of them was double. DC and Marvel started doing it with omnibus books. Doing reprint of what some would say in the community as whales. I really don't see how you can stop companies from doing this as you have always pointed out if people are there to buy them the companies will provide. Interesting topic though

[@alienpredatorterminator6817]

Love mine with the wall. The wall itself is a showstopper. The wall is like a proximity piece representing the Nostromo ship. This reissue does not come with the wall, so I don’t see it as the same thing. The original with the wall will always be the more coveted one, the Batman one. The reissue will always be the Robin version.

[@mistwoodpublishing9963]

Yeah, I couldn't care less. So long as the quality is the same. The new tweeterhead poison ivy...I'm overjoyed they did a green skin one. It's the same statue but with different colors. Companies should be upfront and honest, though.

[@ser610ml]

Great point of view Chris, limited edition is a commitment between the manufacturer and the clients. Change should be significant enough to justify a reissue as a diferente version or take on a piece. I just ordered my first Prime 1 statue btw, the Ultimate Diorama Masterline Evangelion Test Type-01 Night Battle Version. Your videos got me into appreciating the beauty, creativity and art behind statues man. My first statue was the Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman - Batman Returns 1:4 by Tweeterhear (thanks for the review) and I absolutely love it. Have a great weekend man!

[@FireMonster2]

They have been doing this for a while with berserk and evangelion statues. They just add blood to the berserk statues and make the evangelion ones glow in the dark. It is pretty annoying that they make something limited and then change something on it an re release it.

[@xellosmetallium8519]

To honest, I was a little disappointed when I saw Sideshow coming out with Variants of there Fairy-Tail line last year. However, they technically are different Statues and I wasn't intending to sell them. I think what bothers me most is the lack of creativity. Once you start to remake your best piece just so you can sell more, the chances are much lower that you will get something original and cool down the road.

[@justinkelley4310]

No one could care less about the value of their statue going down. They want the value of the statue to remain whether they "plan" to sell or not

[@davisrunner8881]

I completely understand customers being upset by this. And I understand why companies do this. If you are taking a poll, I am on the side of couldn't care less. I get a piece because I love it, and if there are enough made for everyone who wants one, that's fine.

[@Bertopolis]

Ehh I'm not typically one to worry so much about resale value. I assume the statues I buy are sunken cost. It's a hobby I enjoy, not one I plan to profit off of. I can see why people are angry though because they care more about the resale value. As long as there is a change such as size, or base, or pose I think it's okay. Just make it a super limited ES as well.

[@Hazard2005]

So I can see the "Hardcore" collectors being pissed about this. As a new collector, I'm all for Re-Issues as long s they have notable differences...

[@boulder00]

Re releasing a different version is cool. Like the poison ivy was released three times. Each one was different. Think the real problem here i see is how the dealt with the broken statues. If they didnt plan on a re release then fine but now they are then yes seen out replacement parts. But like in comics, first prints vs second prints. The first is always more desirable. But second prints lets everyone share in the hobby. I see no difference in the statues collecting.

[@arcaderunner2188]

Statues aren’t comics. First prints may be inferior, collectors want better paint jobs and better engineering, second print runs may have those, and with fragility and QC problems, that’s valuable. No-one cares for first vs second print if it’s the same statue, they just want the statue.

[@stukavonferno8858]

Edition size or resale value doesn't bother me in the slightest, I buy to keep, after all, It's called a collection! This 'shady' tactic only really affects the 'flipping' style collector who isn't really a collector at all, these types are only in the game to turn a profit, and are more akin to dealers. However, collectors will still seek the first edition pieces over second and third editions, as collectors do with comics, books, albums, art etc. The original run will always be more desirable than subsequent reissues, unless the later editions include bonus extras not previously available. In which case, some 'completist' collectors may want both!

[@ShadyDBZ4]

Completely agree with you.

[@arcaderunner2188]

Disagree. Later revisions may include improved engineering to avoid lean, superior longevity, perhaps more accurate fitting etc. Fragile overpriced statues aren’t an investment. There’s always newer and better pieces coming out.

[@michaelcastillo8884]

This is just me... you don't buy something with the thought of "how much am I gonna get back when I sell it?" You never truly enjoy it.

[@JDSCT]

Was wondering how you would feel (and how you think the community would react), if studios were to take popular statues and re-release them at a different/smaller scale? Say, a 1/3 statue gets a 1/4 re-release or 1/4 gets offered at 1/6. Studio gets more money, more people get the opportunity to get their hands on a great statue, and original buyers still get the prestige of owning the original, full size statue.

[@gabemord5088]

They're doing something similar to the Berserk line with the black swordsman Guts. They're releasing another version with an identical base but Guts is older wearing the berserk armor. I missed out on the black swordsman so I'm excited for it but maybe people who already own the first piece might be upset.

[@ndcp2379]

I definitely understand why someone would be upset with this. If you are constantly switching your statues out and selling them to buy more this is definitely a slap in the face. But I for one view them as art pieces of characters that I love and only intend to keep. I feel it limits my purchases witch is a good thing. I also think better communication will benefit everyone involved. Your point about the Batman who laughs is well put. But I think it would be different enough not to upset people. Also think it would not be as good. What would upset people is if P1 re-released their 1/3 lines but in quarter scale with no loss of quality. That would upset me because I would have gotten the quarter scale because I could fit more statues in the space that I have.

[@thecomicreadern4344]

So what I feel is majority is mad about it, because to them they would want to sell all their statues at some point and get back and not see it as a destructive hobby,also collectors in US,Singapore,China, Australia,UK have easy access to statues and can sell them locally too,but it's not the same for every countries,some of us only buy what we want so much, because of the restrictive cost on top of retail price.So for me I don't care about this reissue,more game for me.But as you said it can be open edition

[@glerink]

I think if it's different it's different, are they not supposed to do one ever again? I agree if it was the same I would be upset. Batman who laughs no robins is a huge difference even if Batman who laughs is exactly the same.

[@tonystarks79]

Yeah i'm one of those collectors that doesn't care about edition size, i don't make a lot of money so what i have goes toward what i like and not the hype. I'm very selective about the statues i get. This statue isn't something i'll be getting myself but more pieces made in general just means more time and opportunity to get what i like.

[@leomanteca4685]

Money grab. No matter what industry your company is in, if you piss off your clients, they will stop being your clients, and they will turn their attention and their wallets to one of your competitors.

[@art_NOT_toys]

I can see two sides to this conversation. If Mark 1 had issues, maybe P1 wanted to improve the quality product they provide. At the same time, they should be transparent about it. When a company makes me question their integrity, it makes me second guess if I want to do business with them. What other shady business practices could they be doing behind the scenes that customers aren't aware of? Interested to hear people's thoughts on the other company and the 1/4 scale Joker news that's recently been revealed.

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

We will be discussing that on Rogues

[@tressil3607]

I understand why some collectors will be upset. However, I've never purchased anything I collect - statues, original 2D art, CGCs as an investment - I have a 401k, IRA, and property for that. I collect b/c I enjoy it and exclusivity is not part of that for me, but I realize others care very much about owning 1 of X edition size. Someone else owning a second edition of something has no impact on my enjoyment. I may be wrong, but I am not aware of any studio / company promising edition exclusivity.

[@jonathannugent6408]

Best opening youve ever had!! "THAT IS SOME BULLLLL". Hahahaha

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

🤣🤣🤣🤘🤘

[@TheXtremeChannelMrX]

Should Prime 1 should have done this? - Hell no Did I buy one? - Hell yes

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

🤣🤣🤣 well of course!!!

[@zeheero]

I don't agree with Chris on re-releases mainly because all the people usually piss off on re-release are the statue flipper who just want to flip the statue in aftermarket as soon as the statue is in high demand. It is disgusting to watch someone who bought a MSRP $2,400 statue and immediately flip it for $6000 to $7000 in aftermarket. If you really a statue collector, it doesn't really matter because of the time you can just sell it for what you bought it for and they do sell if that is the price. I think most people who buy these statue just want to appreciate the art.

[@KurtisJoseph]

Yeah. Check this out. I am an "arcane" author. We get paid squat. however, collectors get paid well. My books sold from the publisher at $166.00. Collectors bought them up. Deluxe leather editions and hardcovers alike. Then... they slapped them in the face by releasing the stuff on Amazon. Everything collectors bought from that company is now worth "less" than the original price because of their bad business move. The company is responsible for holding to their word. What they will say is that "limited edition" means they do not indefinitely produce it. It does not mean they will not produce it again though. It means there will always be limited production. They (the products) won't be like silverware for instance, where they will always produce more. That is company "logic".

[@KurtisJoseph]

On the after market limited edition books sell for thousands for sure. Then Amazon crushes that. The entire point of collecting for some is about creating assets. So you spend an initial 170 bucks on the book knowing that its value will go up. Then they turn around and print it in an unlimited Amazon edition. Similar as this. The small "differences" are like... okay the cover is cheap with cover art created by some high dude getting paid through CGTrader. It is not leather. The stuff between the covers is the same. The base is different. So? Lol! The statue is the same. It is not a modification it is a cash grab.

[@aj1875]

Imo idc which type of collector you are lol if whatever company reissued a statue you want and you didn't get on the 1st round your buying it for sure. So a bunch of liars lmao I would tell the people that are mad, don't buy from prime 1 and see how many actually stick to the word or are just talking junk

[@holmesjakekiller]

Not really, it’s not a exact reissue. Now if the added another 1000 of the old piece I would be mad.

[@Bransonization]

Nobody makes this big a deal when sideshow or prime 1 does the exact same statue as a variant but just alter the color. This one actually has a newly designed bottom base (not just the exclusion of the wall attachment ) I think there will still be plenty of value in the original because if you prefer that base/wall than you will pay for it, as well as the incredibly low ES.

[@silvarknite7]

I tend to be more of a buy to keep kind of collector. Generally I like reissues if it means I can get something new in box at an affordable price. But now that you explain it I can see how that could upset certain people. The breakage is upsetting though.

[@GoGoFiasco]

That Storm is amazing! And having that light up feature is just awesome!

[@deathsanarchycollecting8261]

I'm happy about this. I made a big chap video a week ahead before this news was released. I was talking about how i missed out on the action pose. what timing. this is excellent news to me. The Original release has the back wall. Will retain value. stands out. looks better. what they should have done is release the same statue looking the opposite direction in a limited run if they were gonna go this route. or just some new big chap statue all together. Big chap Ultimate....lol. And send a reasonable discount to the other collectors who had problems. like 75% off and an apology. getting the replacement parts doesn't seem ideal..they wont fit properly. each statue is hand custom made and each one is barely notiicably different.

[@GoGoFiasco]

After collecting for about 2.5 years now, it seems like in the end-it’s all about the Benjamins… Somewhat shady practices seem to be expected, but what I DON’T LIKE the idea of-is painfully making payments to payoff a $2K statue to find ANY breakages! A company should know how to pack their merch in a way that this shouldn’t be a problem 99.9% of the time! TBH, I’m not sure if I’d feel comfortable purchasing directly from Prime 1… Their rep seems to go like this, “I love my Prime 1 Batman, buuuuut THIS happened…”

[@Adam_Le-Roi_Davis.]

I think that if a company has plans to make other very similar versions of something that are limited editions in the future then they should be up front and honest about that, particularly if there are issues with the current limited edition, common breakages etc, this would give you the option of getting a refund and waiting to get a future version of what you want. If you are left thinking that this is the only one that a company will be producing then you're forced to choose between the lesser of two evils, accept the refund and go without something that you really desire or to try to fix a broken one to best of your ability, if you go for latter the pieces intrinsic value is greatly effected and any possibility of resale too.

[@thenamek1351]

I think it is crappy to collectors. What if they released them as first edition and second edition. So collectors knew if there’s was on the initial run or a reprint of a statue. I would think a first run would be more valuable. I think the companies are trying to make a sale on something for them might be easier to reproduce and they know there is a demand for it.

[@nikchesh8758]

Variants for me are fine, a different paint job in combination with either a slightly tweaked base and/or different switch outs / not including an exclusive switch out makes it different enough for me and is a nice way to allow others who missed out to share some joy! However, if a company straight up re-released a piece without any changes to the original release whatsoever - i.e. thereby simply extending the edition size, that's where i'd have a massive problem - it would be enough to deter me from ordering with them ever again. I do though think scale variants need to be released at the same time as the original release, because changing the scale later down the line for a re-release can be really controversial as different scales give different costings, and anything that impacts cost or resale value (e.g. when only the scale is changed, but sculpt and paint etc is identical it might devalue the original) is not typically welcomed by collectors in a premium collectibles hobby (especially with the vastly inflated pricing we're all subject to these days).

[@romancervantes9259]

Sideshow collectables did the same thing with the reaper death's general statue.

[@josesalas2040]

For me I think this is a great idea, that they will re release it. Fist I dont believe any piece looses value especially since they are not the same and also because collector pieces will not loose value, at lease not all of it. Anyone pissed is just because they wanna bank on reselling and probably just dont care about the collecting idea in the first place. I did not get a chance to buy the original statue since I was late into the "collecting" scene per say but now I have a chance. I'd say there are collectors and scalpers.

[@xenomorphsenpai]

I own the OG DX and this reissue was disappointing at first but I kinda do want to pick up the museum art version. It’s basically a whole different statue now that the base is changed. Best of both worlds in my case 😁

[@xenomorphsenpai]

@SBB333 around 13 inches

[@xenomorphsenpai]

@SBB333 100%

[@skelatonman]

Im not entirely against this if the statue packaging and engineering is redesigned, both which led to all the breakages. they need to take care of the customers who had issues with the original release first.

[@therealmccoy269]

Fair game. The majority of the complainers are people that are selling aftermarket. Its no different than XM and tweeter head rescaling or sideshow releasing variants or having huge edition sizes. Im all for companies making money off their OWN products. The community created this issue selling these items for crazy amounts aftermarket and not thinking that company owners don't have a presence in the community. If XM came out with ghost rider on bike or Storm I'd buy one in a second cause I'm not paying 4x the retail to some guy who claims thats market value.

[@jojovaldez8294]

well got to say mite be same name but the pose is a little different in the new one tail comes to opposite side and not as curled as the old one ,so I can see them getting away with new versions

[@munchcleveland]

Well, I collect statues to keep with no plans on reselling them. I think that if Prime 1 Studios is coming out with another Limited Edition Big Chap that it would be fine as long as it was an entirely different and better pose and base. But it looks like all they did is remove the wall which is kinda lame. It should probably be a more dynamic pose instead of a museum pose with the alien eggs and acid spills on the base with , as I seen on another Alien statue someone had, a light-up base that can either light-up green or blue; that piece looked incredible!

[@bedfordshiremodeller4491]

The xenomorph never oridinally had any LED light up features as that wasn,t how Gieger designed it

[@user56dkf334ddnfs]

In the current statue collection market, rarity doesn't seem to have any meaning anymore. Authorized manufacturers with licenses are printing so many quantities that the value of numbering is meaningless. Personally, I don't feel bad or good about these reproductions for that reason. The last big chap had a very nice format, but I didn't like the huge diorama-type base covering the back plate, so I passed it. However, I personally like it because it comes back as a traditional, formal trophy-type base.

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

Really appreciate your comment 🙏

[@greek89yanni37]

As a business owner which I am if I can sell a product and make a boatload of money off of it why wouldn’t I. On the other hand as a collector I could see where people are upset I can see both sides.

[@BatmanStatueCollector]

You are right but you do risk losing customers.