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Tom Rocks Maths

Tom Rocks Maths

3 жыл бұрын

Steve from blackpenredpen answers a real Oxford University maths admissions interview question set by Oxford Mathematician (and interviewing tutor) Dr Tom Crawford.
The question looks at the divergence of the sum of the reciprocals of the prime numbers, using the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic, the divergence of the Harmonic Series (1/n), and the Basel Problem (sum of 1/n^2 equals pi-squared over 6).
This is part 2 of the interview - you can find part 1 on Gabriel's Horn here: • Oxford Maths Admission...
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@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
Watch part 1 of Steve's Oxford interview here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqWlkIF9orV-jKs
@fussyboy2000
@fussyboy2000 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do this with Mathologer next?
@lexinwonderland5741
@lexinwonderland5741 Жыл бұрын
Steve is just adorable. He's so excited and he is having so much fun with math. I remember watching him since long before the beard, and he's grown up with no loss of that excitement. Thanks for motivating us, both of you:)
@MathRocks
@MathRocks 3 жыл бұрын
Only one word, WOOWW
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks Marcos!
@litiginuyt6272
@litiginuyt6272 3 жыл бұрын
XD el profe john escribiendo en ingles
@beyondtrivial6199
@beyondtrivial6199 3 жыл бұрын
@@litiginuyt6272 Es la primera vez que lo veo XD
@KQJ_Diya007
@KQJ_Diya007 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@log2306
@log2306 3 жыл бұрын
Although I understood nothing, it was freaking awesome to watch
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
With hard work and lots of practice you'll be able to understand it eventually :)
@lichade2008
@lichade2008 3 жыл бұрын
@@TomRocksMaths What made you fall in love with maths?
@bjrnlsriedelriedel7500
@bjrnlsriedelriedel7500 Жыл бұрын
The last «pretend interview» with Gabriels Horn that has a finite volume but infinite surface area was awesome, but this one was even more interesting. I learned a lot from this video, very funny to see how an actual Oxford Interview would have been. And Steve did excellent!
@grahamkerr9143
@grahamkerr9143 3 жыл бұрын
What I love about this is that you are two guys that have come together to have a bit of fun with a subject you both love. There is nothing more admirable than when someone does something well and enjoys every second of it. Really inspiring. Good job guys and well done Steve for surviving that 😂
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks Graham :)
@ZakNabi
@ZakNabi 3 жыл бұрын
YES I was waiting for the second part
@sachamoser8291
@sachamoser8291 3 жыл бұрын
i'm a bachelor undergraduate student in mathematics from Brazil and its so amazing!
@thanderhop1489
@thanderhop1489 3 жыл бұрын
There was a mistake at the end in the second use of comparison test when (1+1/p) was replaced with just 1/p, but I guess Tom didn't notice, and it's kinda hard to see how you get back to the 1/n series unless you write out some terms. Notice that the partial product (1+1/2)(1+1/3)(1+1/5) = 1+1/2+1/3+1/5+1/6+1/10+1/15+1/30, so you're getting the reciprocals of all square-free numbers when you continue with more primes. Then including the 1/k^2 part, you're getting back the entire 1/n series using the representation of a general n as a product of a perfect square and a square-free number.
@tavishu
@tavishu 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. The penultimate sum should be equal to zero.
@haodongzheng7045
@haodongzheng7045 3 жыл бұрын
Gold comment. I also think that part was a mistake. Your explanation makes sense. Basically we cannot just replace (1+1/p) with (1/p), otherwise the formula would just converge, since the product of 1/k^2 and 1/p is smaller than 1/k^2. Taking every possible combination of product of 1/p and 1/k^2 would for sure contains all 1/n, therefore the final inequality stands, and this should come from the formula with (1+1/p).
@jonathanlerner2797
@jonathanlerner2797 11 күн бұрын
Came here to say the same. You already have the harmonic series in the line with the (1+1/p) term, as the product over all p creates a sum where every prime can either be “turned on or off”, giving you exactly what you need to be multiplied by every possible k^2 in order to achieve every natural number exactly once.
@matthewygf
@matthewygf 3 жыл бұрын
Don't know how I (CS major) end up here and watching both 2 parts... amazing series !
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed them :)
@mcruz1595
@mcruz1595 3 жыл бұрын
man, i've been watching your videos for long time. Never commented tho. You are the live image that the image doesn't matter. so normally people would think you're some kind of person with no studies or anything for your image. That happened to me a lot, but you're frecking brilliant. I really love your stuff, you're a genius on math and magnificient with teaching. I really love your content and enjoy it. Thanks man, you are the boss! I don't want to offend anyone just wanted to say that because I've been thinking it for too long
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
@bushchat28d
@bushchat28d 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't understand a word of it - loved every minute of it! Gobsmacking and its clear you both enjoyed the fun too !
@bachirblackers7299
@bachirblackers7299 2 жыл бұрын
Wawwwwwwww this is real maths !!!!! Wwwwwaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww no words to say . Just wonderful maybe the best of all times ... Thnx both of you ... You were excellent prof steve and you have shown how smarter you really are . Thanks Dr CRAWFORD .
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 2 жыл бұрын
you're welcome :)
@mikeheyburn9716
@mikeheyburn9716 10 ай бұрын
Superb
@sebastiannrregaard5849
@sebastiannrregaard5849 3 жыл бұрын
Such a fun video :)
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!!
@mathbeyondzenoofelea4615
@mathbeyondzenoofelea4615 2 жыл бұрын
Get super excited about THE PATTERN TO THE PRIMES!!!! Revealed in a little-known video about "Teaching Math for Social Justice" - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIemoIdjj5WgeKM
@andrewwalker7276
@andrewwalker7276 6 ай бұрын
Great video just watched for the first time! Would love to see a video on how the prime reciprocals can be transformed into the prime zeta function. Similar to how the harmonic series is a specific instance of the Riemann zeta function. Here, numberphile? Have been looking at zeros of the prime zeta function for possibly 20 yrs so can help in that aspect! Refernces are the wikipedia page and Fröberg, Carl-Erik. "On the prime zeta function." BIT Numerical Mathematics 8 (1968): 187-202.
@AvoniasStratigis
@AvoniasStratigis 2 жыл бұрын
I still think it's kind of harsh expecting a student to answer this. It might just end up killing their love of math.
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 2 жыл бұрын
this wouldn't be used today - it's from 50 years ago
@jamesl8640
@jamesl8640 3 жыл бұрын
OK never mind my comment on the last one this is way beyond what I can do at home haha Still enjoyable none the less
@viditgautam4708
@viditgautam4708 3 жыл бұрын
For 9:30, I thought that this could prove the rest of the answer. ​As N->inf, P->inf because there are infinitely many prime numbers. Thus, sigma (1/P) {p
@rish5827
@rish5827 3 жыл бұрын
The first sum states that sigma 1/n goes to infinity, not 1/p. Just because the primes are an infinite subset of the naturals, doesn’t mean that sigma 1/p must also tend to infinity. For example consider the sequence (1/(2^n)) (so 1, 1/2, 1/4....) . This is an infinite subsequence of (1/n) but, as n ranges from 0 to infinity it approaches 2.
@diegomoreno3237
@diegomoreno3237 3 жыл бұрын
Really tough. If not seen before is unlikely to figure out at the moment
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
I did warn you all it was the hardest one I could find!
@sonic5d
@sonic5d 3 жыл бұрын
I got lost from 10:49 with the proof. Nonetheless, I came here from part 1. What an amazing interview! You have a new subscriber and I will watch your PDE video now since PDEs are my favorite :D
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@mooshiros7053
@mooshiros7053 11 ай бұрын
I'm a little confused as to how the the weird sum related to the sum of the reciprocal primes. I understand the proof for why the weird sum diverges but how does that prove that the sum of reciprocal primes also diverges?
@khiemngo1098
@khiemngo1098 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video! I'm not sure how you go from p1^(n1-1) x p2^(n2-1) x p3^(n3-1) x ... x pk^(nk-1) = k^2 for any n in N, where k is an integer. This is bothering me now. Can you please clarify ? Thanks !
@jameszhang9326
@jameszhang9326 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, the terms can be compressed into the "considered" expression upon observation and then split into the individual expressions to check for divergence and convergence. There are also many other ways to prove this question's validity. I wonder if anyone used MI method to solve this... By the way, nice Basal Problem hidden there.
@indrejitathipathi2586
@indrejitathipathi2586 3 жыл бұрын
I mean u guys are playing a game called maths jeopardy
@akshatswami7227
@akshatswami7227 3 жыл бұрын
Tom please keep a live QNA session we wanna ask questions from you . Also please inform us about the timings in the community section . we are waiting ................ 😊
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid I have to go and teach my students! I'll try to do a live Q&A when I post my videos on a Wednesday (and sometimes Thursday) each week.
@akshatswami7227
@akshatswami7227 3 жыл бұрын
@@TomRocksMaths OK see you there 😊👍
@sedaotieno
@sedaotieno 3 жыл бұрын
Do one with Bri the Math Guy! I'm sure he'd be down
@atraps7882
@atraps7882 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing BPRP "struggling" gives me a small hope that I may not be as dumb as I think I am...but then I haven't been in uni for a year now cause of covid so all my math knowledge these days are from youtube
@donovanb8555
@donovanb8555 3 жыл бұрын
Arent you doing university online now?
@atraps7882
@atraps7882 3 жыл бұрын
@@donovanb8555 unfortunately, no. I'm from Myanmar and if you look up recent news from Myanmar you'd find out the huge reason why...
@donovanb8555
@donovanb8555 3 жыл бұрын
@@atraps7882 oh, ok I understand. How is it there with all this going on?
@atraps7882
@atraps7882 3 жыл бұрын
@@donovanb8555 thank you for asking 🙂 Well in short, we are all just trying to stay safe, avoid any trouble and doing our best to stay positive.
@donovanb8555
@donovanb8555 3 жыл бұрын
I hope everything will go fine with you and your city. Stay safe!
@master4755
@master4755 3 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how someone thought of that consideration in order to make this proof
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
agreed. very clever stuff.
@archivist17
@archivist17 3 жыл бұрын
Cor, that's a stinker to solve in interview conditions! I have Maths A Levels (1983) but I would have struggled with this.
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@archivist17
@archivist17 3 жыл бұрын
@@TomRocksMaths That's kinda reassuring, at least!
@perseusgeorgiadis7821
@perseusgeorgiadis7821 Жыл бұрын
I wanna apply to Oxford just to do the interview lol
@KQJ_Diya007
@KQJ_Diya007 2 жыл бұрын
Oh
@harryzebeast9282
@harryzebeast9282 3 жыл бұрын
As a year 11, is it bad that I don’t understand much of the maths involved.(Watch the video because the maths is really cool to watch)
@ZakNabi
@ZakNabi 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m in year 11 as well and understand how you feel. Just keep in mind that so much new and important maths is taught at A level, so we will understand it in not too long. If you are doing further maths GCSE, and/or are interested in maths enough to watch further videos (which you seem to be as you are here), some things will be more familiar to you than others so although this looks like gibberish now, you will understand it well in the future. Hope this helps :) Edit: Just think of it like this - when you were in primary school, you probably didn’t even know what algebra was. When you were first introduced to factorisation, you probably found it hard. Yet now it is easy. Most high school level maths will be like that. When I first looked at matrices for further maths GCSE, I had know idea how to do them. But now I have been taught so I do understand. So of course most people below A level won’t understand this as we haven’t been taught these concepts or rules yet.
@harryzebeast9282
@harryzebeast9282 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I really want to do maths so I was getting kinda scared that I really couldn't follow much of it. It's great to know there are other year 11s that are like me :)
@rish5827
@rish5827 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in year 13 and takes maths and further maths - that’s perfectly fine if you didn’t understand this stuff. There’s lots of concepts you’ll learn at A-level. Once you start having half of your lessons just be maths your mathematical knowledge just explodes. That being said, I also found this proof quite tricky. I found this proof to be a bit more accessible: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2aoq517asuLoLc
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
No one in Y11 should have any idea what is going on - so don't worry! Awesome you are watching though :)
@farouked4099
@farouked4099 3 жыл бұрын
isn't there a problem about the last step? not all n have a square as a diviser, for many numbers they could be just a product of primes, or even big prime numbers? (for exemple 23 is just 23*1 )
@tashafellman
@tashafellman 3 жыл бұрын
1 is also a square number
@rish5827
@rish5827 3 жыл бұрын
You can always split a number into a square and ‘square free’ part (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-free_integer) It doesn’t matter how big the square free part is, square free numbers have some useful properties.
@farouked4099
@farouked4099 3 жыл бұрын
@@rish5827 what i asked was, how can we get every n from N while mulitplying that number of primes by k^2, that 1/k^2 multiplied by those primes, when k is bigger to 1, isn't going to give us prime numbers , so how can it generate all n in N? And if that's the case, we still can't tell if that sum diverges or not
@desertstorm6927
@desertstorm6927 2 жыл бұрын
Its hard for me although i cracked jee advanced
@rajat_d.7016
@rajat_d.7016 3 жыл бұрын
Is this a interview question for undergrad?
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but a very old and very difficult one! The Gabriel's Horn question is much more representative of what we ask today.
@ropefreeze1660
@ropefreeze1660 2 жыл бұрын
13:05 this part was the one that didnt make ANY sense, where did he get pi from? Some special property of e^series?
@desertstorm6927
@desertstorm6927 2 жыл бұрын
Pi means multiplication here. As sigma means addition. Its just a notation
@adolfbhai8124
@adolfbhai8124 3 жыл бұрын
Is this question asked to students who are coming to get admitted for graduation ??
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
This is a very old question (from around 50 years ago) but it was used for undergraduate admissions. For a more realistic question that would be asked today check out part 1 here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nqWlkIF9orV-jKs
@jameszhang9326
@jameszhang9326 3 жыл бұрын
They wanna get more Eulers (perhaps to stack the faculty board). Lol =D
@Kytes93
@Kytes93 3 жыл бұрын
Haven't heard about optic fiber internet?
@myself0510
@myself0510 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video, but you're abusing that k aren't you? The i_1, i_2, ... numbers should stop at an i_j, where j
@sunandinighosh6037
@sunandinighosh6037 2 жыл бұрын
One day when I get admission to Oxford I will get to meet you 😌
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 2 жыл бұрын
fingers crossed!
@professorpoke
@professorpoke 3 жыл бұрын
A video with zer0 dislikes. 😀👍
@trueviv
@trueviv 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand anything - but that's oki :)
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
as long as you had fun :)
@milesgreenwood5036
@milesgreenwood5036 10 ай бұрын
That might be the coolest tattoo ive ever seen!
@mx953
@mx953 3 жыл бұрын
no youtube you don't understand... I failed all my math courses.
@nonameAccountable
@nonameAccountable 5 ай бұрын
At 11:25 you can't get rid of the 1 in the product. If you do, the proof doesn't work out.
@adityaagarwal76
@adityaagarwal76 2 жыл бұрын
The last step doesn't make sense at all
@MariadeLourdesAniesSanch-ze7hf
@MariadeLourdesAniesSanch-ze7hf 6 ай бұрын
I like help me please
@mihaiciorobitca4949
@mihaiciorobitca4949 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Tom, please response to my email
@dancroitoru364
@dancroitoru364 6 ай бұрын
How did Steve pass the interview if he did less than 30% of the second problem unaided? Just kidding. Anyways, one way to pass the real interviews to these elite institutions if you happen to be "unfortunately rich, connected and adorable" is to tutor with the same people who will design the interview questions. Meritocracy! -) After you were admitted to the said institution you'd feel very filled up with guilt so you'd have to become "progressive". Another way is to be "Chinese" (not necessarily literally Chinese) and train 7 days a week 18 hours a day for 10 years ... Which way you prefer ? Hmmm, ... so hard to chose -)
@wepped482
@wepped482 3 жыл бұрын
What is with this 30 frames per minute blackpenredpen garbage camera? Are they recording from a laptop or something?
@TomRocksMaths
@TomRocksMaths 3 жыл бұрын
Yes we had to record virtually using Steve's webcam/internet connection
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