Prince George to be a Page - but what does a Page of Honour do at a Coronation?

[@nadiabrook7871]

I'm sure Prince George will do a GREAT job!!💗❤👍🤗👑

[@annepollock8306]

Prince George... Bless him! 👑👑👑

[@stepps511]

It seems we are in for a number of "groundbreaking" departures from tradition at this coronation. Thank you, Allan, for continuing to give us both current and historical perspectives.

[@allanbarton]

My pleasure, yes I'd agree there will be considerable change. It will be fascinating to see just how much.

[@Zveebo]

I suppose it was quite inevitable when it has been so very long since the last coronation. I tend to think that from what we have seen so far, Charles will get a good balance between innovation and tradition, and between simplicity and ceremony - but it’s certainly going to be interesting to see.

[@jillosler9353]

Every Coronation is 'different' from the one before. If they weren't we'd still be seeing it the same as when Henry VIII was crowned! Plus we are crowning a King this time and not a Queen.

[@stepps511]

@@jillosler9353 a very good point, indeed. Thank you.

[@ambre4980]

Surtout invité 🌹🌹🌹🌹révolutionnaire 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@anniecarroll8010]

From the US, thank you for the presentation of the robes.

[@notinmanitou]

I've really enjoyed the Coronation series that you're doing. As an American who wasn't born yet for the last one, I know very little about the rite. Thank you.

[@allanbarton]

Glad you're finding the series helpful and enjoyable, thanks for watching!

[@EllenCFarmGirl]

Wow, a Page of Honor! I thought the Same Thing about how good it is for the future King to be in Service! 😊

[@stephanieking4444]

I hope, for the young people's sake, that the robes will be lighter and easier to manage, than in previous coronations

[@ElizabethEllenCarter]

It would make sense because the King and Queen are older, so I'm sure they'd prefer something lighter.

[@Patricia-gn5bi]

Given King Charles' environmental views, I suspect the heavy ermine will not be used which will make the robes much lighter.

[@stephanieking4444]

@@Patricia-gn5bi it's certainly possible to avoid any cruelty based stuff these days. Fingers crossed 🤞

[@puppy1584]

I really look forward to your uploads. I learn something every time. Which I think is a success from our tutor. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@allanbarton]

That is most kind.

[@laurag7295]

Thank you for this wonderful presentation!

[@allanbarton]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@aileenbuckle8062]

Oh lovely. An unexpected extra video 🙂. Informative and well presented. Thanks Allan

[@allanbarton]

My pleasure Aileen.

[@seanbullock140]

Thanks for your great videos. Very informative and educating.

[@daniellekennedy8118]

Just a note from a thread and craft practitioner. In order to hand-make gold lace, it is necessary to take sheets of high carat gold, and roll them gently around fine thread, usually silk, although wool or wool/silk blends are commercially available. static electricity can help the gold adhere, as can the moisture from your breathe by gently breathing on the thread/gold as you wind it. You do not want to waste gold by overlapping it, but you also do not want any raw thread showing either. It is a really tricky process, which I'm sure is done commercially now by machines. And this is just getting the thread ready to tat -- that is another whole very difficult process. Working with gold leaf runs in the family -- my great-grandfather worked applying gold leaf to cabinetry. It's nice to keep part of that tradition going in some part.

[@allanbarton]

Thanks for sharing, it sounds like intricate work! Great to keep a skill like that going in your family though!

[@bevinboulder5039]

Interesting change from tradition, but it definitely makes sense. Removing the ermine goes too to make the robes lighter and cooler. I'm excited to see what other changes have been made.

[@jillosler9353]

Plus times have changed drastically regarding fur!

[@bevinboulder5039]

@@jillosler9353 That too!

[@mavisemberson8737]

I often wonder if fur lined robes for nobility and royalty were for warmth during the medieval cold winters in Halls and Churches. of stone They would not be necessary now when the nobility wear them over suits. or uniforms with decorations.

[@pixbychris3182]

From snippets it seems we are in for a different coronation. Be interesting to see what happens and how it is interpreted for the modern day.

[@jillosler9353]

Without modernity having a part to play there would be no relaying the Coronation around the world - but centuries old traditions will also play a major role.

[@99goosebumps16]

Could you please do a video explaining the meaning of some of the artwork on the King's Coronation Invitation that was just revealed?

[@meb8582]

Thank you so much for your explanantions. I have a question - why was James, Earl of Wessex not chosen as a page as he is only 15?

[@MsDana-mo9fp]

I think that would've been a better idea to have James, Earl of Wessex as a page. Prince George should have a coronet on his head and stand with Princess Catherine!

[@heidimeigs5192]

Perhaps Prince George wanted to have some kind of role, or perhaps Prince William did since the boy will be king himself one day, if the monarchy survives.

[@ThePHYL]

Thank you …very interesting….I am so excited for this coronation….this will be my second coronation in my life time.

[@jenniferbate9682]

Me too.

[@maryallan453]

Me too. I was only 6 when her late Majesty was crowned, so didn't really appreciate all the details. Plus, of course, TVs were not so common back then. We only had still photos, though I have since watched it on KZbin . I am really excited to watch King Charles' coronation.

[@leahnichol6665]

Congratulations on seeing two Coronations. 😊

[@lazaglider]

Allan, Thanks once again for a fascinating video. I realise this may be too much to ask, but might you consider doing a coronation ‘watch along’ live stream, where you could offer an alternative commentary to the events of the day?

[@donnalayton6876]

Allan, I try never to miss anything you put out for us. You are so informative. Thank you.

[@allanbarton]

Thank you Donna.

[@carolynmonty7883]

Extremely interesting and a voice encouraging one to listen. Thank you so much.

[@allanbarton]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.

[@dragonclaws9367]

I am on the edge of my seat for each of these here in the US. ❤ God Bless Queen Camilla and KC3; I hope they have a wonderful day free of drama brought by relatives. An edit: the floor of the Abbey is so beautiful and I never knew.. I was too busy crying at the piper . I hope we can see it under the chair.

[@maisondusuave]

Queen Camila remains a very thorny issue for many Britons. Americans: it's nothing to do with you.

[@GR-hb5gk]

@@maisondusuave well this Brit thinks she’s brilliant, hard working, no dramas straight speaking. thanks for your support dragonclaws, the Americans have every right to hold an opinion in my belief

[@rachelball-uj7mf]

Well said.

[@reggiebosanquet1525]

@@maisondusuave Well it's a bit rude to talk to Americans like that! Ok they rejected the King in 1776 but they can still be interested in our traditions. Nothing wrong with that at all!

[@EllenCFarmGirl]

Me too! We should have a watch Party, with all our new knowledge provided by Dr. Barton, we’ll be so smart!❤

[@amymahers2957]

As always…great content and extremely interesting. Thank you Allan!

[@allanbarton]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

[@briandfallon74]

George as a Page means he takes notes. After his Dad, he’s next…

[@Lisette777]

Looking at the faces of the boys featured in the photos, my thoughts went to curiosity about how they felt in regard to their duties. What did they think of it all? I wish there was a way of knowing! THanks for the informative video, Allan. :)

[@ludovica8221]

I'm sure like most teen boys its a bit embarrassing but as I'm sure their parents will tell them, its an honour and a prestigious first step for their future. You dont see many people who often socialise with the Royal family down at the Job Centre. It seems likely these boys will have every opportunity thrust at them from here onwards

[@elizabethcornwell4156]

How did they bribe teenage boys to get dressed up like that,do you think,when at that age they are into jeans & t shirts etc!

[@monique8641]

@@elizabethcornwell4156 If you listened to the video, the boys chosen as the king's pages are all sons of the aristocracy and don't need to be bribed. They're used to the pomp and ceremony. Palace staff don't go down to the local high school and select boys at random to be pages. Ludo Vica - it wouldn't be embarrassing to the boys they have chosen as pages because this is all part of the lives they're used to as the children of members of the aristocracy. As members of the aristocracy, I doubt they'd ever be down at the local Job Centre - they have all the opportunities should they choose to take them and work hard. Being a member of the aristocracy probably means they have to work harder to justify the professions they choose so as not to be seen as, as taking advantage.

[@ruthdamico2207]

​@@elizabethcornwell4156 😊

[@letitiakearney2423]

Well if the go to top schools especially Eaton, they’re used to funny outfits anyway.

[@janetbarkwith]

I think you are most probably correct in assuming the robes and train will not be as lavish and as heavy for KC3 and QC. I thought at first perhaps a silk lining would work well, but that is slippery, and may be even more difficult to handle than the fur, which at least has the quality of being able to stay put on the shoulders!

[@JvWet]

Thank you for a very interesting presentation

[@pjk1714]

I do wonder if there will be a shorter length to carry only having four page. Much talk of tiaras, with none expected, even for the Princess of Wales. Hard to believe only four weeks away. Thank you for sharing

[@heidimeigs5192]

I love seeing the women dressed to the nines…..gowns, jewelry and tiaras…..at formal occasions. I will be so disappointed if there is not some formality in their outfits.

[@Tuppence1]

Fascinating history. Thank you!

[@allanbarton]

My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it!

[@cactusrandomfred1]

The precedent of the recent past is to have just four pages. At the state opening, Elizabeth II always had four pages carrying the same train which took six maids at her coronation. In 2014, one of them fainted mid-speech so she arrived with four but left with just three!

[@lsmith9249]

fridericvs they are two different robes, the one worn for the State Opening of Parliament is called the Robe of State and is shorter

[@cactusrandomfred1]

@@lsmith9249 The robe of state or 'parliamentary' robe was also worn by the late Queen at the start of her coronation as she processed into the abbey.

[@lsmith9249]

@@cactusrandomfred1 the Coronation robe is longer according to the article l read

[@lsmith9249]

@@cactusrandomfred1 she wears a different robe going into the Abbey, the Coronation robe is the one she wears coming out of the Abbey, it is purple with goldwork

[@cactusrandomfred1]

@@lsmith9249 Indeed. That is my point.

[@ynys_mon6928]

Very interesting. I can’t imagine that King Charles would contemplate using ermine in his robes for one second. Imagine the uproar!

[@dolldoll2914]

👩‍💻 " ... God bless the Prince of Wales." My eye is on William. Who would have thought I would have seen one coronation, let alone two. I am not a fan of KCIII & QC; but I am a staunch fan of the Royal Family. I hope the British people receive all worthy things from their king. But my money is on the Prince of Wales to remain strong in guiding and advising his father to the logical ends of reigning. We have seen the Prince's strength and loving durability during recent events. I am an American, and when some dullard is elected, "We the People" can throw the shyster out of office. KCIII is my oldest brother's age, and Prince William is my youngest child's age. I believe we will see the great influence of Queen Elizabeth II in the living memories of the next two Kings of England. I see Her Majesty's fingerprints all over Prince William's life. The Prince of Wales was lovingly tutored by this great woman, and KCIII finally bending his knee to his Sovereign's will at Her death and in his old age.🙋‍♀️🥰🇺🇲🇬🇧

[@maryallen108]

This young man will do his very best on the Coronation of his granddad and Camilla and all so his mum and dad so very proud on that special day. He knows what he has to do and wont let them down.

[@adiza1616]

Prince George looks so much like Diana's brother.

[@erpollock]

This was very informative. Today I was explaining the coronation and the royal family to my sister in law when she asked, "But will Harry attend the coronation?" She had no previous knowledge, but went straight to the burning question! No, we were talking about the role of the page of honour. Your presentation was excellent and respectful. Most speakers emphasize gossip, you stick to the facts.

[@susanbobo5098]

Wow I wish I could still be around to watch George be crowned King

[@theroyalrecollections3832]

I’m sure they are diligently practicing💕

[@aib0160]

Strange to have the younger one of a pair of twins and not both. I wonder if they flicked a coin for it.

[@sz5263]

It was said the older twin will inherit their father’s title but not the younger one, hence the special treatment for the younger twin.

[@aib0160]

@@sz5263 Thanks, that must be a bitter pill to swallow, you get everything and you get to be help carry the Kings robes! Bet he wishes he could have had the flip a coin option.

[@allanbarton]

Yes, the elder will probably be Lord Great Chamberlain in William's reign, so will get a fair few state occasions.

[@Rosemary-x3g]

George Makes Me Smile The Future IS Here

[@Helenr67545p]

Thank you, very informative

[@macmachine]

So just a kid in a silly fairytale frock-coat singing 'Be Our Guest!' ( Sorry...different fantasy. )

[@umbertotoni3021]

Grandious Videos Allan, God bless you and give you disposition to continue your magnificent and ligthful and glorious work. God Bless you and St George protect you.

[@allanbarton]

Thank you very much, God bless you too. Glad you are enjoying my videos!

[@umbertotoni3021]

@@allanbarton Thanks..Sorry my and and and, but I was very emoved, grammar comes after...

[@allanbarton]

@@umbertotoni3021 thank you do much , there was nothing wrong with your English - your kind thought came through. God bless you.

[@tmalfieri1]

Thoroughly informative and entertaining 👍🏻👏👏👏

[@allanbarton]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.

[@nunyabiznez6381]

I agree that the reduced number of pages combined with their ages strongly suggest a likewise reduced robe size. I can't see eliminating ermine but certainly reducing the length of the robes so that four pages can manage.

[@The3Kosmos3]

Interesting thanks.

[@donnalayton6876]

Thank you for an erudite explanation.

[@allanbarton]

Glad you found it helpful!

[@bieuxyongson]

I really like that King Charles and Queen Camilla have chosen pages that are family or close friends' grandchildren. It would be a nice tradition to start. Thank you for all these wonderful stories present and past.

[@craftingtarotgirl1418]

A very interesting and informative channel. Thank you

[@allanbarton]

Thank you very much, glad you're enjoying my videos!

[@AnaMaria-iv8cy]

Qué emocionante em!!👏👏👏👏👏👏Ele é um futuro rei de Inglaterra 👏👏👏

[@marthavanbeek-putters]

I am looking forward to tis coronation. Thank you for your explanation. Martha

[@allanbarton]

My pleasure, thanks for watching!

[@scottmccarter861]

wonderful

[@jenniferbate9682]

I’m very sad to hear this. If it ain’t broke, why fix it?? I dare not watch it incase I’m too disappointed…

[@louisalfrednickolasstalwar7554]

Based on the details that have revealed thus far, this Coronation appears as though it will to tend to Republican simplicity. Monarchy is, in part, about mystery, glamour, and splendor. It's Neiman Marcus, not Wal Mart!

[@atrinka1]

This coronation is going to be a departure from tradition. Of all the coronations, is this one the more innovative or are there others? Thanks!

[@TerryC69]

Hi Allan! Sorry for the delay in watching and commenting. Life has been a bit unwieldy of late. I agree with your assessment regarding the selection of the young prince for the role of page. It demonstrates, I think, a keen awareness, on the part of the family, of the cultural and political realities of our time. I would not be surprised if we saw a significant reduction in the use of things like ermine for some of the same reasons.

[@allanbarton]

Hi Terry, sorry to hear life has not been straightforward for you 🙁. I hope you've at least been enjoying catching up with the videos!

[@jldisme]

Thank you, Allan.

[@Farrah300]

Very interesting!! Thank you for the video.

[@allanbarton]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@juliekeys1880]

Love your videos. 👏👋👏👍

[@allanbarton]

Thank you! 😃

[@mbvoelker8448]

I is good for a person who will one day lead to learn first to serve.

[@glacey4906]

Why isn't Edwards boy a page

[@AdrianSpencerElizalde]

We also have to consider the age of the King and Queen. Such a robe will be too cumbersome.

[@MrTwotimess]

I read somewhere that no ermine will be on display this time.

[@HigginsBottom]

But they have said peers can wear their parliamentary ermine coats

[@hayleyfay4779]

gorgeous george

[@dominicganteaume8274]

Wednesday, 5 April 2023. No. No No. I hope the coronation robes are not scaled down. If the new king keeps scaling down everything, his coronation is going to end up looking like the inauguration of the US president, which is essentially the swearing in of a new civil servant. The appointment of Prince George of Wales as a Page of Honour is a nice touch -- I suppose -- as it gives him a chance to really participate in the ceremony, but I would prefer if he entered the abbey as a Prince of the Realm, rather than as a page. Modern coronation is a contradiction in terms! It sticks in the throat. I like your theme music Allan. Whats happening with the Stone of Scone (a.k.a. The Stone of Destiny)?

[@cameliawilks2049]

I couldn’t imagine ermine being used in KCIII robe. IMO I could see a faux fur being used.

[@almatirkey7748]

Please do a video on the coronation invitation card next.

[@allanbarton]

Coming along.

[@susanlockyer1192]

Found a 'tweet' where a woman said her dictionary defines a 'page' as a 'servant' - she believes King Charles is insulting little George & his family 😱 I think the poor woman must have misread most of whatever she was reading 😱

[@mattbarneveld815]

Is it feasible that King Charles and the Queen Consort may dispense with any ermine feature? It would seem to be more in keeping with the King's contemporary attitudes towards the environment and the popular distaste for wearing furs.

[@lsmith9249]

Matt Barneveld our late Queen announced years ago that the royal family would only use faux fur

[@mattbarneveld815]

@@lsmith9249 Oh cool. Thanks very much for that info. Cheers.

[@heatherdeavalon]

I vote for simplistic elegance 🎉

[@marlapearce8537]

Because of the environmental concerns of King Charles and Prince William, there maybeno fur attached to the robes.

[@johnmontgomery3471]

It is interesting that of the six maids of honor for Queen Elizabeth II, three of them are peeresses (I think baronesses) in their own right.

[@pattyolson3842]

That's interesting information to know. Since George is on the young side, maybe Charles should have also chosen his Nephew James Viscount. Then 5 would be able to handle the robe train easier, with one at the end.

[@allanbarton]

It is a bit of a shame in some respects, there must be a reason.

[@Ionabrodie69]

I think Our King is better placed than yourself to decide this.. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@Sherri1971US]

Thank you. Very interesting I am wish I could be in England for celebration.

[@roberthossen8354]

Perhaps fake ermine? Why not? Fake fur can be very convincing these days. I wouldn't mind. It's about the impression it makes.

[@leahnichol6665]

I do not like the idea of fake ermine because I believe it is synthetic, which is terrible for the environment. I suspect the lining will be wool due to the role wool had in making the UK great.

[@leahnichol6665]

@Quetzalcoatl The robes for the priests at Charles II’s coronation in 1661 (?) are extant and will be used for the coronation of Charles III. I saw it in a documentary about Westminster Abbey. I expect the robes of the peers have been in refrigeration since 1953 and the ones chosen to attend will drag them out and wear them. The government officials are allowed to wear their robes. Rewear is a far better solution for the environment than new with plastic, IMHO. But then I get too hot and sticky in synthetics, so I am prejudiced.

[@MerkabaKid]

Thank you for sharing, really informative.. 🤍🇬🇧🕊️

[@allanbarton]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@marie-francoiserama7052]

Can't wait to see the Coronation Ceremony of King Charles 111 with His Queen and Page's Boys.

[@SafetySpooon]

Guarantee you the idea of "pages", & so few, is that they already have pages uniforms at hand, does not create expense for anyone with matching gowns *&* KEEPS George from having robes & coronet - thought he COULD have worn his great-grandmother's, from George VI's coronation.

[@mchapman132]

I truly hope H and M do not attend. This is Charles’ big day, he’s waited longer than any other heir in British history. The fact that “Archie” will celebrate his birthday on the same day as the Coronation, and H and M want some recognition and celebration for him, tells me they want to run the show and dim the spotlight on King Charles. They don’t belong there.

[@carolinescholes3937]

Prince George will be given the best training there is available to him with all the assurance of his mother and father’s knowledge and care.

[@suewaltho4946]

He will make his Grandfather the King proud

[@henrikhaas6980]

Thank you for this interesting video! Regarding the age and number of pages, and regarding the King's preferences to nature reserve and sustainability, it may be, the King's robe hasn't much less ermin in it, if any at all, and the fabrics might be eco friendly, and the design at all quite straight and simple, compared to the one's of his ancestors

[@karenaleccia9137]

Prince George is going to be king, one day so I don't think he should be carrying someone's cape. Jus sayin 🌻

[@educanassa100]

Great vídeo Allan

[@Bunefoo401]

I’m guessing they will forgo the ermine because KCIII is such an environmentalist, and fur has long been a no-no. You want he pomp and circumstance for a king’s coronation, but there are ways to get around ridiculously over the top traditions and still keep the grandness of it all intact. I was surprised the Duke of Edinburgh’s son wasn’t included, though. As an American, I’m really looking forward to the coronation.

[@chuckspoke]

Queen Alexander still (in my opinion) top in royal regalia and dress.

[@sheilaghbrosky4150]

He had the beard for a long time. You just weren't paying attention

[@laurinbartel640]

Sehr interessant - thank you so much.

[@allanbarton]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@李玫玲-e9b]

哇噻 ! 喬治王子还有page 呀？真是不錯的。

[@biancalawrence3178]

Thank you for that interesting information. Ermine is the pelt of a dead animal. I think Charles will be sensitive to use animal fur for decoration.

[@Kexgoija]

About when is Wm. due for promotion?😊

[@judytruax8876]

Very interesting.

[@Kexgoija]

What page is Cam on ??😊

[@georgev9170]

6:33 not quite true. Only George VI had 9 pages. Edward VII and George V had 8.

[@allanbarton]

Eight plus a master of the robes, which is I think the point I was trying to make, perhaps clumsily. When that role was abolished in 1936 the master of the robes was replaced by a ninth page.

[@geffreimaudeleyne6041]

This also gives them a front row “seat” to see everything.

[@breakablehandlewithcare]

Enjoyed your video 🎉

[@allanbarton]

Thanks June.

[@4sstg]

Prince George looks like Diana to me. The tragedy of her death and the divorce that removed her from ever becoming queen is still a tragedy. It’s like elephant in the Abby for me and others, who won’t mention it. I won’t watch the coronation, although the history and the coronations has always interested me. I am old now and younger people who get with the times will. I guess that’s as it should be, but I can’t rise to it. I do enjoy your videos very much as I am an enthusiast of English history and Great Britain. Blessings for you Mr. Barton , I hope not to ever offend. The only benefit of old age is to say what one thinks.

[@ERH1453]

He stands and waits upon his Sovereign.

[@Kexgoija]

He turns the page, Dear😊

[@charlesmartin623]

Ladies-in-Waiting do they help dress Royal Queens and Princesses. Now Pages how many more people to get female Royals ready?

[@annecaro.3956]

Very interesting, thank you ! Now a question : are the maids of honor unmarried ? In that case, why are they wearing a tiara ? Or are they flower crowns ?

[@HigginsBottom]

Yes I noticed that and would also love to know because my understanding is that Tiara's are only worn by married women

[@spottedreptile2671]

This is a bit of a myth. Princess Margaret, Princess Anne, and Queen Victoria all wore tiaras as unmarried ladies. They are more usually a signal of an adult woman, that is, attaining the age of 18, but nowhere is the requirement that a woman must be married in order to wear one. There is the tradition that the tiara symbolises the change from innocence when a bride is crowned with love, and that is the usual interpretation but it’s not an unbreakable rule.

[@HigginsBottom]

@@spottedreptile2671 Thank you for that clarification!

[@elizabethcornwell4156]

As the late Queen was not very tall,you could only be a page of honour all the while your uniform fitted.If you grew out of your uniform you were deemed too tall! 2:37

[@kfyoung54]

喬治王子‘不要受人影響’做好本份‘英女皇嫲嫲在天上保佑你們一家’你們一定要幸福快樂