Prince Madoc Fact or Fiction? The 6th Century arrival of the Welsh in North America. Jim Michael

The late, great Jim Michael presents compelling evidence that the Welsh settled in North America.
Rare 1997 footage kindly provided by Lee Pennington of the Kentucke Historical Association of Jim Michael methodically taking us through the written and physical evidence for the migration having taken place.

[@PlayerToBeNamedLater1973]

I never heard anything about possible Welsh settlements in America before my son pointed out these videos about Madoc . I'm friends with a family in southern Indiana with the surname ApMadoc which basically means sons of Madoc

[@andrewwhelan7311]

Thanks to the Kentucky Historical Association. Well presented and fascinating. How can the establishment deny the existence of Coelbren. He hit the nail on the head when he recalled how a group of so called academics refused help to decipher as they were being provided with a large sum of money to prove it was not Coelbren.

[@rogerscottcathey]

Evidently the association spells it with a terminal "e" not a "y"?

[@TUSK1157]

This was very interesting. I wish that there was more research done to discover Madog's travels through Alabama. Which is where I have roots. I spent my early years 20 minutes by interstate from the Coosa River and didn't learn of Madog until the '80s. My own belief is, the powers that be don't want anything found to legitimize the Madog legend.

[@AvatarKid-bn8xk]

Of course! That’s more than a belief. That is a REALITY. Divide et Impera. They still teach the bogus nonsense in school of Colombus discovering the “new world” in 1492 😆 tho he never stepped foot 🦶 If you’re lucky 🍀 you’ll get a teacher in USA that says “Leif Erickson” but thats still not far enough. How could there not be a vested interested in keeping us enthralled in ignorance and stupor? What if the original land of America was much more rich and powerful in culture and history than the dumbed down masses and mainstream level academia and media purports to show… What if it was the original holy land? What if many of our ancestors were direct descendants to this? How would this change things? How would knowing it, the truth, empower us to set us free? Would empowered, culturally and historically informed people ever accept the gross state of human rights violations/indentured servitude and deception omnipresent in the world right now? An original 1776 slogan to the American revolution was “We have come here to establish New Israel!” But was scrubbed from the textbooks by 1900. See how that could be combative with a lot of competing and suffocating ideologies? 😂

[@legolasgreenleaf1961]

Great video showing Jim Michael's work. Brass breastplates with ancient British/welsh symbols?? Wtf!!! Where the hell are these? The Smithsonian artifact graveyard probably....

[@Larkin_about]

So glad I watched this. I spent a couple of years documenting the Ordnance Survey benchmarks around Flintshire. The marks were cut into permanent structures for the purpose of mapping the contours of the land using triangulation. The horizontal cut is used to insert a stave, which is then used to calculate the exact position. However I couldn’t figure out why the the lower, arrow shaped cuts were needed. I believe the the horizontal cut was added not only for mapping purposes but as a symbolic depiction of ‘laying the tombstone’ over the old traditions

[@FireInTheSoul]

This is one of the most interesting talks I've had the pleasure of watching on Madoc. Thank you for this upload 🙏

[@BritainsHiddenHistoryRoss]

Glad you enjoyed it and appreciate you taking the time to comment Heddwch x

[@FireInTheSoul]

@@BritainsHiddenHistoryRoss I'll watch anything I can on Madoc, I'm from Penrhys/Hendrefadog in Glamorgan, and there was a street there called Madoc Close. The whole place has been knocked down now...very interesting place with interesting street names.

[@BritainsHiddenHistoryRoss]

@@FireInTheSoul Yes - very sad what they did to Penrhys. It used to be one of the most important pilgrimage sites in Britain and very important. I keep meaning to put a video up about it and how Ponty bridge seems to tie in with it. Fabulous views from up there as well. I was up there for the Easter pilgrimage a few years ago and shot some great video I need to share. I will make sure its back on the to-do list.

[@FireInTheSoul]

​@@BritainsHiddenHistoryRoss the history there is vast, I grew up in Penrhys and Hendrefadog, I've been researching these parts for years now, the hendrefadog estate that has been knocked down I find of great interest. It has been wiped from our history here, but the street names tell a story, also there used to be a big old school in hedrefadog that they knocked down, the older folk there used to tell me when I was younger that there used to be a winter Palace there and they built the school on the old site. I've never been able to find information to confirm this as yet. There is also a supposed old roman fort (I don't think it was Roman, it was Cadwgans of the battle axe, his Fort in Abergorki) up on ystrad mountain, on the old ordinance maps it's marked as "house platform." There's also a farmhouse called Tyntyla that Owain Glyndwr supposedly stayed at with Cadwgan of the axe....I have alot of research on all this as well as the pilgrimage sites up in Penrhys. I find it so interesting, sadly I don't know many people around here who share this interest. Its frustrating. I love these uploads, thank you 🙏

[@derekowenjr3599]

@@FireInTheSoul very interesting see y’all discuss this. I’m from America. Tennessee. King Owain Glyndrw. When tracing the ancestry of my last name. Owen meaning Wellborn and Noble. Owen is the red Lion symbolism with Zara child of Judah. Madoc drapped in Scarlet and Yellow. The royal tribe of Judahs twin children. I’ve study so much of Welsh history. I’m curious are you familiar with the Ah- when symbol discussed in the video. /|\? It’s a Coelbren symbol. My search and reasoning is trying to determine the difference in the Red Dragon and the Red Crouched Lion. I’m trying to determine what’s causing the variations amongst the history of the same lineage of people

[@hawklord100]

Sumer settled a colony in Britain and the land they settled in today is called Somerset. I have also noticed that Wilson and Blackett's books are on Amazon

[@thebenneybabblespodcast9545]

Great Video, i love the story of Prince Madoc.

[@user-pm1nl7sf8r]

The dragon is a symbol of the four fixed signs. It's also what is encoded into the griffin.. The face of a man, Aquarius, paws of a lion, Leo, the body of a bull/beast, wings are for Scorpio, which was also depicted as The Eagle... It's also mentioned or described in the book of Revelations. These four zodiac signs are an amalgam, that seem to pop up everywhere. Even Egyptian descriptions of Serphis.. And the polar star was looked at as the center of heaven or throne of God.

[@davepowell7168]

Interesting lecture. The swastika also appears as Tibetan religious motif for the wheel of life. Quetzalcoatl the 12th century Aztec feathered serpent god being linked to Madoc is curious.

[@BritainsHiddenHistoryRoss]

The swastika seems to go back to very ancient times in British history and was very important. Unfortunately, its appropriation by the nazis means its not a taboo subject.

[@doesthisfacemakemelooklike535]

I heard the reason why Jefferson sent Louis and Clark out after the Louisiana purchase was to make sure that there was not a prior welsh and Mandan land claim it seems it was rather known at the French really didn’t have a legitimate claim and Jefferson knew it but he paid money to buy the land from France anyway it was a gamble I am starting to think…😱

[@doesthisfacemakemelooklike535]

😱omg! Madogs father owain is my 23rd great grandfather!! This is amazing to be able to learn more of his life!! THANK YOU !!!

[@derekowenjr3599]

Ya my last name is Owen and it’s what I’ve traced it to too

[@tomobedlam297]

We have 33,554,432 great grandparents if you go back 23 generations.

[@doesthisfacemakemelooklike535]

@@derekowenjr3599 yep and I swear no joke it goes back to old king Chole ( cole) from owain

[@doesthisfacemakemelooklike535]

@@derekowenjr3599 Shortest blood relationship  Owain Gwynedd ap Gruffydd, King of Gwynedd is Coel Hen ap Tegfan, King of Northern Britain's 21st great grandson. Coel Hen ap Tegfan, King of Northern Britain → Ceneu ap Coel Hen, Saint, Brenin Rheged & Catraeth his son → Gwrwst Ledlwm 'half bare' ap Ceneu, King of Rheged his son → Meirchion Gul "The Lean" ap Gwrwst, King of Rheged his son → Elidir Lydanwyn ap Meirchion, Brenin Rheged his son → Llywarch Hen ab Elidir his son → Llywarch ap Llywarch Hen his son → Sandde Bryd Engyl ap Llywarch his son → Mechydd ap Sandde his son → Madogion ap Mechydd his son → Madog ap Madogion his son → Dwyfnerth ap Madog his son → Tegawg ap Dwyfnerth his son → Dwywg Lythyr ap Tegog his son → Gwrysnadd ap Dwywg his son → Elgudy ap Gwrysnad, Lord of Ystrad Alun and Dyffryn Clwyd his son → Cynddelw Gam ap Elgudy his son → Cynwrig ap Cynddelw Gam his son → Pwyll/Pyll ap Cynwrig his son → Gwair ap Pwyll his son → Afandreg verch Gwair his daughter → Cynan ap Iago her son → Gruffydd ap Cynan his son → Owain Gwynedd ap Gruffydd, King of Gwynedd his son

[@nicholasjones7312]

I have seen the stone quay in Old Colwyn (nearthe golf course) where Prince Madoc’s ship supposedly sailed from in Wales.

[@BritainsHiddenHistoryRoss]

Is that the 12th Century voyage? I think the 6th Century one departed from Milford Haven. Its looking more and more likely that both took place

[@AvatarKid-bn8xk]

@@BritainsHiddenHistoryRossWow. Do you have a reading list anywhere? Would be much appreciated. An American 🇺🇸 trying to get culturally, historically and firmament all informed right here and now 🧘🏻‍♂️ 🌎 Thank you 🙏🏼

[@ComeRee]

Diolch yn fawr o fi'n waith! Dw i'n mwynhau fawr gwylio ei!

[@TheSmoggs]

Has anyone told graham hancock?

[@myboloneyhasafirstname6764]

At first glance the alphabet looked like biblical Greek and I found myself reading it before I realized it was different, but intuitively decipherable.

[@danielplantagenet8385]

Thanks for posting this! Fascinating! ⚔️🛡👑 I wish he’d stop saying “Welch” though!!! ⚔️🛡👑

[@sbwelsh7985]

I know, right? That got on my last nerve!

[@robedwards1411]

Good work as always brother

[@kevinmccarthy8746]

I believe it. Why not, right guys, me being a retired sailor this is more likely than not to have happened, I believe The evedince they have is very compelling. That bronze ax is made in a certain style/ way that is indicitive of the metal working process determined only in Wales. Amazing stuff. Did they loose that too.??

[@Baloooooooze]

Thanks Ross... Thanks Jim Michael... Brilliant !!!

[@mariansmith7694]

I learned of Prince Madoc through Alan Wilson.

[@nadinedeck]

My family name is Maddock and my DNA is Welsh.

[@michaelfoulkes9502]

Where is your family from?

[@nadinedeck]

@@michaelfoulkes9502 My fathers side is from Wales.

[@BobbyBruce03]

Recent welsh who sailed the pond went to.. Pennsylvania Connecticut Idaho Tennessee Ohio Rode Island. If you don't live anywhere near these places then most likely you have royal ancestry 😂

[@mariansmith7694]

Thank you. This history is important to remember.

[@MissEricaLynn33]

Not much left of the PICTs (even though we do still exist, lol) These counts are so detailed. I’m curious what the Roman’s records said if anything, they did keep good records. If it wasn’t for their writings, they wouldn’t know much about the PICTs ❤ some of these look similar too. This is actually “Owain”, correct?

[@dafyddevans633]

Wele’n hwylio tair ar ddeg, o longau hardd ar dywydd teg. Wele Madog dewr ei fron, yn gapten ar y llynges hon. The lampoon version … Wele’n sailing three on ten, of llongau mawr with big, big men. Wele Madog brave his chest, at the llyw, doing his best. Taught, to me as a child by my long passed grandfather.

[@craigmoyle2924]

Excellent

[@myboloneyhasafirstname6764]

We are calling it a dragon, but doesn’t it look like a Gryphon?

[@patrickjones7942]

Brilliant stuff 👍❤

[@colependrey2542]

I would love to see if you can debunk what i have not been able to. My name is Cole Pendrey and i live in ohio and my 8th grandfather gio pendry owned a 1000 acres of what is green county. .6 miles from the devils backbone assosiated with madoc. You said dreams i had a reaccuring nightmare every night from 8 years old till i hit thirteen of a red dragon terring my roof apart trying to get to me.My grandfather before he died would take me aside and tell me my name is very important dont let anyone mispell it. Just know your name is more important than you will ever know. I never put any of this together until i started learning the arthurian legend. After i carved my last name into a round table that i was making. My last name in celtic means awaiting the return of the king of the island. arthur one of the arthurs was born on tintagel when i seen the documentary on the island ,i felt like i had been there before. I knew the layout of the castle and rooms before they even showed the foundation including the stone.Ive seen that place before but ive never left the states. My family tree is all documented to being and owning a 1000 acres of green a 100 years before the country was formed.near by is the great surpent mound gio owned another peice of land in iowa guess what is located very close near by another surpent mound.now the absolute bombshell to all ive found out i cannot say on here but is 100 percent shocking and paints the entire picture pls contact me i would love to peak your interest more before i convince you there is def something to what im saying ty for your time if you read this. All ive said is 💯 truth full and is provable besides my dream.

[@LynxSouth]

"Pend - rey'' could mean 'await - the king', but in/from Latin. There was no permanent European settlement in Kentucky until 1774.

[@derekowenjr3599]

@@LynxSouth there were white Indians called Mandans -Welsh , Mohicans, Delawares, Irovy belly Indians they were called. They were remnants of the Ships that David sent from Israel during the reign of the nations of Jacob’s Sons who were called Israel who can be traced to white Western Europeans. These dragon haul ships have been found in Boggs , rivers and lakes where they sunk there own ships in a sense they would return to their exports of resources. When coming into contact with other hostile tribes and Giants. This is what is being referenced in the book of Joshua about your Fathers on the other side of the Flood. White Phonician sailors have been found off the coast of FL. Also including the civilization in Peru where all the gold was brought from that lake Titikahka areato build Solomons Temple. The Irish also is where they brought and developed the potato in western steps of Asia. Maybe that can paint a picture

[@book3100]

Well I'll be... And this is ignored!

[@davepowell7168]

When I was a blacksmith apprentice in 1977at Devonport dockyard we were told the chevron symbolised government property primarily naval, that it had been used since the battle of Agincourt and represented a broad arrowhead . This seemed plausible and as every tool I made or used had it stamped by a punch hit with a hammer . I'd read Tolkien years before and thought it a bit Runic ideal for straight line symbols, easy to do with a flat chisel and 3 taps from a hammer 🔨 with the hot metal on the anvil. Then saw same symbol on granite milestones. We English are masters of recycling ♻️even our own history perhaps. It appears on all ministry of defence property and is hard to remove as intended 🤔 To purloin tools a grinder and welding equipment would be necessary and 5mins of their use after which 'a little coat of paint will hide a multitude sins 'my instructor advised me to make my own to begin with. 😉

[@michaelarmstrong4033]

That was great! Thankyou. Is there any DNA evidence out there? I am part Welsh and my family comes from that area. I wonder if that might be an interesting line of pursuit. Is it true that a jawbone of Madoc exists?

[@bethbartlett5692]

The Subject of the Welsh Prince Madoc is Fact.

[@pareidoliarocks]

I'd like to have a reprint of that school alphabet poster!

[@MrInfinitefinality]

wow

[@understandingbibleprophecy9958]

Sounds like that destruction is talking about the volcanic eruption in 529AD

[@geobigntall3830]

I am a descendant of Lord Humphrey Hughes 14th Barron Madoc is one of my Great Grandfathers

[@mariansmith7694]

I would like to join your organization.

[@mariansmith7694]

I really like Alan Wilson and B Blackett's research. Dates are definitely different.

[@bursebladesbits]

Very Intriguing! Thank you so much for posting this video. Still somewhat skeptical. BTW, I claim no relation to Madoc nor do I claim any Native American ancestry.

[@SoloSeason]

I named my Son Madoc and found out after what it meant after that fact-- weird how that happens - also -- the headphone audio for this video is only out the left ear -- the class had a laugh

[@geobigntall3830]

My grandpa was a Reverend so was all my other Great Grandpas

[@bethbartlett5692]

Fact, supported by DNA. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian

[@bursebladesbits]

Do you have a link or more detail you could share? Thank You.

[@laurienickless5564]

The description of the Piasa and its discovery by Marquette is utterly inaccurate. The modern replacement for the Piasa is based on a European dragon, so of course it looks Welch. However the original Piasa, which was depicted by two eyewitness professional artists in the 1840s, is clearly Chinese. It corresponds in detail to a memorial at the Nanjing boatyards erected after the 1433 Chinese expedition to N. America. Furthermore, the record of the expedition's exploits in America, including the construction of the Piasa, has been translated into English by Laurie Bonner-Nickless and recognized by a number of China scholars. Read TO THE GATES OF FENGTU and CHASING DRAGONS THE TRUE HISTORY OF THE PIASA SECOND EDITION.

[@ComeRee]

Cadwaladr - Welsh indigineous king in 829ad - used Y Ddraig Goch [The Red Dragon], as a symbol of the ferocity in which we fight for freedom, and the blood of those spilt in that fight for it. There are also links to that of the Tribe of Dan, whos symbology is a Red Dragon.

[@laurienickless5564]

@@ComeRee Madoc could have come to America, but the Piasa is not evidence for his arrival. Interestingly, Lewis and Clark camped an entire winter near the Piasa, yet wrote not a word about it in their journals. However, come spring, they went up the Missouri River in search of the water route to China!

[@MsDig65]

Welsh ! We are Welsh not Welch !

[@laurienickless5564]

@@MsDig65 Sorry. I had just spent several hours picking and processing wild grapes and Welch's was on my mind!

[@jameswuepper]

Hmm...Henry Schoolcraft was indian agent in sault ste. marie, mi., not wisconsin.

[@mariansmith7694]

Absolutely true. The Madoc story is true.

[@jhgrees]

Iesu is pronounced 'Yes-see'.

[@chrisnewbury3793]

Jesse

[@kevinmccarthy8746]

They can not have ANY INFLUENCES, weather conscience or UN conscience or, even the appearance of a falsely conducted and biased inquiry. He should have known that.

[@stevenwallace5456]

The kimmerians migrated away from the Scythian, The Welsh from the Saxons like a constant flow from the Levant....

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

Um no! This has already be proven that The “Welsh” came via the med, and maintained their culture from the Middle East, whereas The Saxons went through European taking several hundred years to discover Britain, by that time The Saxons were effectively a different people. The closest to the original has always been that of Wales, hence why they want it gone or absorbed. Always found it strange that white peoples are called Caucasians yet no one ever wonder why or how they were already in Britain, the only explanation is a massive migration as explained by the records.

[@LynxSouth]

24:37 He says the druids who were allowed to speak the name of g/God said ''Yahweh''. Has anyone read any books or articles by him that mention why he believes this? What is his source? 25:16 Where he says there's an 'EA' in the upper left hand corner (meaning yahweh), I see 'AEA'. Does anyone else? 29:32 That's distinctly the wing of a bat and very much NOT the wing of a bird. Look at photos. ~40:40 Did he really say that sixth-century Britons didn't know about oxen?

[@TUSK1157]

What he was referring to as "oxen", from the way I took it, was a way that they were describing "bison". That he was saying that they wouldn't have known about bison, until they came to the what would come to be known as the "New World".

[@QuixoticEnt]

So. Much. Wrong. There is so much misinformation in this presentation I couldn't possibly mention it all, but here are a few things off the top of my head: - The "monster" is most definitely NOT a Welsh dragon. - If Madoc lived in the 6th century then none of the "evidence" from the 12th century means anything, and vice versa. - The family tree is just wrong. Meurig and Onbrawst did not have a son named Madoc; they only had Athrwys (Arthur) according to almost all genealogies. - The stained glass in the church is not Meurig's "family crest": it is the arms of Gilbert de Clare. The woman in the image below is his wife. - The arms at Cardiff Castle are also those of Gilbert de Clare, and there are displays and plaques stating as much in several places. - Chevrons do not always have any special meaning. When used on pottery they are almost always just decoration. - The Welsh are not particularly tall or blond. - There is absolutely no reason to believe that exposure to a handful of tall, blond people would result in an entire tribe of tall, blond people 1000 years later. Genetics doesn't work that way. - Why would Madoc have gone to Mexico and NOT taught them the Welsh language and then go to North America and teach it to them? - You can't just look all over the world for something remotely similar to something else and claim there is a connection. I grew up in a tiny town called Long Lane. While travelling in England I stumbled onto another tiny town called Long Lane. That doesn't mean that people from one went to another country and founded the other. This video, like all I have seen on the subject, is just grasping at straws to try to prove something that, even if true, is most likely unprovable.

[@WalesTheTrueBritons]

No, the evidence is correct, the dates that have purposefully been misrepresented has no bearing on the evidence, it was Tudor propaganda designed at winning favour from Rome. Madoc was definitely 6th century and from the south.

[@larriantesumbryel9369]

I want in

[@nephilimivritt8216]

i would think its fact because tribes of native Americans up the Ohio claim of a tribe of white skinned natives that lived on the Ohio along Kentucky and Indiana and alot of them had blonde hair and blue eyes

[@kevinmccarthy8746]

WELL, WELL, interesting, but to much coincidence with lost proof. Lost in history? There is the mound people in the Mississippi, Ohio area. I forget how old they might have been,1500?years old? Please please NO MORE lost items.

[@andyjones5730]

If this guy had really done his research as throughly as he claims he wouldn’t be pronouncing Iesu as EYE-SOO 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@justinsherrell6004]

don't be a fool, he is viewing this through american eyes, he is very thorough

[@QuixoticEnt]

If he had done his research as thoroughly as he claims he wouldn't be saying most of what he does in this presentation.

[@sbwelsh7985]

Almost stopped watching this due to the repeated mispronunciation of the name Welsh....he kept saying Welch. Ugh!

[@VirideSoryuLangley]

EA stands for... Yahweh?! If that's the standard of scholarship, this theory loses a lot of credibility.

[@paperflowers-ks6vv]

Please please can we not promote this nonsense. There are good articles out there about the racist roots/ connotations to this Madoc 'myth' (against Native Americans), including all kind of Mormon nonsense (Mormons were/ are incredibly racist towards Native Americans). This is some kind of American revisionist BS, please let us not associate with it. We Welsh have enough cool stuff in our mythology without our legends being co-opted by other cultures. I know that it's exciting when other cultures notice, but we have to be careful about HOW it's being used. Let us not associate ourselves with this.

[@chrisnewbury3793]

People have been sailing back and forth to and from the Americas for thousands of years and there are mountain-ranges of evidence to prove it.

[@legolasgreenleaf1961]

Im sorry but if Madoc is described as the son of Uthyr, that means King Meurig meaning that its 6th century. As a welshman you should be proud not scathing, especially without doing some proper research.

[@justinsherrell6004]

open your mind

[@katnightingale2451]

Lol you people can be controlled so easily simply by introducing the idea that something is racist. That's what you should be embarrassed about.

[@armeniussun2394]

This dude acts like he's cooler than everyone.