Princess Maker 2 - A royally complicated game

[@whade62000]

What I liked about this game is that it accurately depicts the experience of having children. No matter how much money you spend on her education, your daughter initially sucks at everything and her stress is constantly through the roof, you have no control over what her talents are going to be, and she never turns out how you expected. 10/10 simulation

[@Hellbat_the_Destron]

Also she's never satisfied and never listens to you from the moment she turns 14😂

[@Rubbe87]

then you get married whit the kid

[@robinchesterfield42]

1. 1, 2, 3 and 5 are all on Steam, under the name (Princess Maker Number Here) Refine. They're the newer translations, and while the artwork has been smoothed out, the words....need work. A lot of Westerners know Princess Maker 2 specifically from an ALMOST-finished English version that leaked onto the internet in around 2000. It was done by actual English speakers and the localization/flow of the dialogue is SO MUCH BETTER. Long random rambling follows! Feel free to ignore if you want. :P 2. A bit of gameplay advice--Stamina helps a LOT with Stress. What triggers delinquency or sickness is stress _going higher than stamina by a certain amount_, so more stamina means she'll take a lot more before she tires out. It also helps with many endings, including warrior type ones. As for sickness...the game USUALLY warns you ahead of time that she's going to die, by having her lying down in bed while a creepy, super-sad minor key version of the usual theme plays. That's your clue to FREAKING STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT *NOW*! and let her rest. If you still let her die after that anyway, it's your own fault. You _were_ warned. 3. Princess? Pff. Why marry into it, when you can TAKE IT OVER YOURSELF? Ruling Queen ending all the way, baby! You want the most complicated ending to get? THAT'S the most complicated ending to get. (And Princess Maker 2 is one of the _easier_ games of the series...) You not only have to work super hard, but be super _lucky_, to get the stats you need for that one in time. I've done it, but only twice (once on Steam, and once on the old DOS translation). 4. 74 endings AND _three versions of each one_. Yeah. And that's not counting the marriages, which are often (but not always) a seperate part. 5. Yes! So many people just ignore the seasonal outfits and then regret it later... 6. It was probably Westerners getting cult-game status addicted to this particular game in the leaked DOS version that caused us to _get_ actual official translations. ...eventually. 7. The "KZbinr whose video on it was pretty silly and not very explanatory as to what the game actually is"...Did You Mean: PeanutButterGamer? :)

[@mayhawkins]

The reason I found this game was because I was trying to find a game similar to Chinese Parents, although this one is MUCH harder. I’m already super addicted to it

[@robinchesterfield42]

HA! That's hilarious, because I found Chinese Parents while wondering if there were any other Princess Maker like games available in English! No seriously, that's literally why I found it. XD And, oh yeah, Princess Maker 2 is hella addicting. When I introduced my friend to it in the 2000s, she got herself, her sister, her friend AND her 7-year old nephew hooked on it within days. :P

[@3ds_fellgod-myhopewillneve617]

To no one’s surprise, the simulator game by Gainax is just as batshit insane as.....literally anything else by Gainax. You’d think this whole thing is one big fever dream.

[@kelly_seastar]

Princess Maker 1 is called "Princess Maker Refine" on Steam. Basically, it's a remake with updated graphics.

[@cowardlyruststalker1659]

This game sounds like Tamagotchi with extra RPG elements.

[@schufck5272]

PIXELCHICKS, now that's a blast from the past.

[@supersungal2]

There's a small speedrunning community for this game now, it's really neat!

[@WeebaLu]

That's cool! I didn't think it was possible to speedrun this game lol

[@robinchesterfield42]

Ohmygod REALLY? That's one speedrun I might actually watch. XD

[@drowningin]

The Switch version released with zero guide. But if you go to the gallery the guide book art is in there, so it’s obvious the developers expected you to read a guide. Now I’m looking for one

[@WeebaLu]

It definitely does since I did my first playthrough blind and it was, at first, a really confusing experience. I ended up looking up a game guide from 20+ years ago so even if you don't have a guide, there's always super old message boards! Lol

[@ImmaSoiFon2]

As someone who wants to play the original Tokimeki Memorial i can see why i gotten recommendations to play the Princess Maker games. Both games definitely follow the same time & micro management gameplay (which are two skills im completely terrible at lol) but i feel like that a hurdle most are willing to challenge themselves with in order to see the characters their helping succeed in their goals.

[@robinchesterfield42]

If you think the micromanagement is bad in THIS one, whoo-ee! Don't play Princess Maker 5. (It's kind of a shame that PM5 is as slow as it is, since it's also got easily the best-written characters/relationships of the series.) But yeah. Raising stats slowly but surely to get different cool (or not so cool) endings is weirdly satisfying. I'd recommend it, but then again not everyone would.

[@egamergirl1985]

I must've watched the PeanutButterGamer video 10 times by now. I found it hilarious, and it's also what got me onto the game. My first ever run through was terrible. I couldn't understand how everything worked and I think I got one of the ordinary housewife endings.

[@ellicdote2015]

This game is so insanely deranged but also so very entertaining. I only just got her to marry the prince (my favorite of the marriage candidates because he's HER AGE) (((and also I am also a sucker for childhood friends to lovers)))

[@nicholaslienandjaja1815]

PeanutButterGamer and Something Awful’s Let’s Play of the unreleased English version brought me here.

[@kristinahall8467]

I made my daughter a bounty hunter it was easy the only job you need is farming take fencing classes some theology to raise magic defense and do a lot of Kung fu like to s class to max out defense I won the combat tournament at 12 as soon as you have the money get her the most expensive meal plan 80g a month so her stamina keeps going up I was able to defeat the war God ontop on the ice Mountain and make it to the entrance of heaven to meet my patron God 😀

[@blockeontheleafeon]

8:16 *PBG Mentioned!*

[@sophiesaltzer9277]

when i played this as a kid i remember ONLY playing the RPG part, my daughter became always became a farmer and married the young dragon

[@TheRedneckGamer1979]

Princess maker refine is princess maker 1's hd remake and yes it is on steam

[@MsAngelique]

I play the original, unfinished English translation. Refine got rid of certain endings, or so I heard. Plus the original version is free.

[@chloboshoka]

Loved this game. I remember one assignment at a writing group I was in we had to do a fictional biography and I did one on Queen Olive I of Gainax who married a dragon called Charlie.

[@serenib33]

Okay off-topic: Is Princess Maker the inspiration for Long Live the Queen? Because they seem oddly similar (in gameplay and story, kinda). In Princess Maker(or PM for short), you raise your daughter(adopted) into a young woman, and your choices determine what ending you get. Long Live the Queen, you help young princess Elodie get to her coronation and your choices also determine what ending you get. I don’t know, they just seem very similar to me lol

[@starblaze58]

ngl, i thought this was gonna be about a dressup game but godamn, i don't think i want kids after watchin this

[@robinchesterfield42]

"Hey! Do you wanna raise a hooker?"--my friend to another friend, shortly after discovering the game. XD

[@loudradialem5233]

The steam version has good translation? I remember the first version that was sold there was awful, especially the typeface was ugly.

[@robinchesterfield42]

The Steam version has...understandable translation, give or take. The old DOS version's localization was so so so much better, but that one was never officially released, so...

[@destoo0]

Yes. I played when it came out. It apparently became very popular due to pirating in the 90'ies. I don't think anyone in America bought it back then. It is on sale on steam right now.

[@crossover-Incorporated]

honestly...for an old man like me, I never liked strategic games.

[@princessloveheartglitter]

PrettyGrumpyBear introduced this gane to me

[@deadend85]

the fourth is not made by them so they dont have the rights to release it

[@ADHD_Gamer]

OK. so being a dude. I really am trying to get into this game.. however, WeebaLu is right it is soooo complicated, It makes league of legends feel like some atari game!! but I keep trying. Hell I would settle for her being homeless if I could just make it to the end LOL - good tip on the coat, didnt even think of that! good vid, you're funny to listen to.. sub'd

[@hafstendo5619]

It looks like a point and click/visual novel game. It does look interesting. Also by the way. I have actually played the Nintendo 64 game based of the Neon Genesis Evangelion anime series. And let me tell you. That game is ridiculously hard and the controls is just awful. I will not recomend you to play that game. But the visual looked nice at least. But the gameplay itself is just awful

[@robinchesterfield42]

A _bit_ visual novel, but I'd say way more simulation/strategy/time management. Rather than clicking through story scenes all the time and occasionally making Choose Your Own Adventure style choices, you pick out her schedule for each third of a month and watch what happens. There are _occasional_ VA style scenes, but they only show up if you do certain things.

[@909crime]

i love the PC 98 princess maker soundtracks

[@karastears]

It looks like it should've been an anime or an OVA.

[@WeebaLu]

It probably would've been a pretty boring anime though. At least, if they'd make a whole anime series just to follow the route where she marries the prince lol

[@BobBob-oe7mz]

@@WeebaLu Actually there was an anime made based off the series. It's called Petite Princess Yucie. Haven't watched it myself, but it looks interesting enough.

[@robinchesterfield42]

It was! It was called Puchi Puri Yuushi/Petite Princess Yucie, and was kinda based off the third game. Or at least the main character was based off the PM3 daughter, anyway. It also has Cube, taking various classes, doing weird part-time jobs, takes place in a fun universe (I think, anyway), has some great snarky humor...and a twist ending I won't spoil. :) Princess Maker 5's backstory seems to pretty much be Puchi Puuri Yuushi, but turned dark. So there's another place that anime showed up. Kinda. Heck, you can even buy your daughter Yuushi's outfit at the clothing store!

[@Hellbat_the_Destron]

The graphics in the "remastered" version look (slightly?) worse than in the original. And by that I mean MY GOD I F****NG HATE IT. I'd rather download Dosbox to play the old version.

[@mintydraws3962]

This reminds of of the game memories on Google play

[@matiska1119]

please consitter continueing the rozen maiden videos :)

[@WeebaLu]

Yep! :D The scripting for my final Rozen Maiden video is done and I'll slowly be editing it soon! It will be my last one as there is no other Rozen Maiden content worth talking about. I'm definitely not skilled enough to properly explain how the hell the manga ends because it's genuinely really confusing and Rozen Maiden 0 was cute, but super short and technically nothing happens? so unless a new anime is made, my review of the 2013 reboot will be the last :(

[@Alicewatertribe]

Will you ever do a video on yagami yato

[@WeebaLu]

I have no idea who they are lol