Private Jets COLLIDE ON TAKEOFF & LANDING | Runway Incursion

Preliminary FAA Statement- A twin-engine Hawker H25B departed without permission from Runway 22 Hobby Airport at 4 PM when it collided with a twin-engine Cessna C510 that was landing on Runway 13 Right. No injuries have been reported.
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[@VASAviation]

Working hard midnight to have this released as early as possible. Your support is really appreciated. *NTSB UPDATE 25OCT 1730Z* "Around 3:20 p.m. on Tuesday, authorities say an air traffic controller instructed a Hawker 850XP airplane to line up and wait on Runway 22 at Hobby Airport. The Hawker started a takeoff roll and its wing collided with the tail of a Cessna 510 airplane (N510HM) that had landed on runway 13R. The pilot of the Hawker continued the takeoff before returning to land. The NTSB has sent a team of six to being the investigation."

[@brushitoff503]

Fricken hell. Get this to Blancolirio asap.

[@sanches2]

You're a legend!

[@c200d45e95]

As always, thanks for your hardwork! Love your videos.

[@rickrickard2788]

You're a valuable asset to have, Victor. Thank you for all you do for aviation.

[@VASAviation]

@@rickrickard2788 thanks for your support!

[@blancolirio]

THANKS for posting so quickly Victor! Juan-Patreon Supporter

[@VASAviation]

Thanks Juan, loyal Patron you are! Really helps. I can't wait to see if you throw some more light into this one. Awaiting for more official releases too.

[@tomm541]

Just to think of how super close this was to being worse... Think about it - the left wingtip of AA clipping the rudder/aft of the landing aircraft means that the front/cockpit fuselage must had barely missed the rest of the landing aircraft in order to the wingtip to clip it nearly at the same elevation..

[@xDefender11]

Waiting for your analysis Juan!

[@jbw9999]

@@xDefender11 Hawker pilots departed when they weren't supposed to. Done.

[@mervynmccracken]

Can't wait for Brownie's assessment of this accident. I imagine the NTSB will be examinig the CVR from that Southwest jet???

[@bhollingsworth]

N269AA pilot getting pissed off and he's the one who took off without clearance. Brilliant.

[@airtechmech6681]

Maybe just very stressed not knowing the extent of the damage to the plane they were in(in the air).

[@unprofound]

I guess our first inlination is to believe ourself correct in a conflict. And he was under a lot of duress at the time. But, yeah, very bad look for the Hawker N269AA.

[@jackielinde7568]

To be fair, they might have thought they had clearance. From the FAA and NTSB initial reports, it's clear he had a Line Up and Wait will no clearance for takeoff. So their tune will change when the FAA confronts them with the recording.

[@Tony_Airlines]

Average Hawker pilot 😊

[@bhollingsworth]

@@jackielinde7568 yep, we've seen countless examples over the years of pilots thinking they have clearance to do something having never been given clearance. Absolutely insane to have departing and landing traffic crossing and not paying any attention to someone landing on a crossing runway. The pilot messed up on many levels.

[@TexDrinkwater]

A tiny change in the timing of the collision could have made this a deadly disaster.

[@gegessen159]

or nothing at all, exept a possible pilot deviation

[@idkjames]

Especially given the fact he vectored that em aircraft back into his arrival stream which didnt make sense. Ive controlled a while i know that can be stressful but gotta maintain. Cant assume the southwest are gonna move right away. Triage, better to lose one than too. Glad everyone made it out on

[@auwz66]

I would say about 3 feet.

[@mcpr5971]

Can you imagine if they hit one of the Southwest?

[@MichaelSteeves]

Speed of the hawker would have been about 65 m/s. 0.1 seconds later and it might have been a complete miss (0.6 m, ~ 2 ft). 0.1 seconds earlier and it could likely have been deadly.

[@jazzi_0453]

wow, that was chaotic. But well handled by the Tower

[@mcpr5971]

SFO needs to get a lesson from these men.

[@Boss_Tanaka]

Most importantly ATC didn’t lose time arguing and lecturing the faulty pilot. They focused only on fixing the situation. No need to find out who s guilty at that moment. Other ATC should learn from these guys

[@mata2723]

yep the ATC workload just surged but it was handled very well

[@robscaife589]

Agreed, but I question the wording "Go ahead and hold..." seems like a poor choice of words. I realize I'm an armchair quarterback here, but in a stressful situation "go ahead" should not be used to tell someone to stop. (Any criticism I offer is made fully aware that I wouldn't last through training in that job, much less the first shift.)

[@Sarge226]

Houston controllers in general have hearts of gold we must protect them at all costs

[@tristanjohnson822]

So if I'm understanding right, 9AA took off without clearance and then got angry at ATC for clearing someone else to land while he was clear for T/O despite the fact that he was never cleared? Even a student pilot can tell you that you don't takeoff from a controlled field unless you are cleared.

[@JustSayN2O]

that's my read too

[@redyau_]

Clearly he thought he was cleared.

[@BigfootBrass]

He obviously thought he was cleared…..

[@747heavyboeing3]

Your fired! Then he has an attitude.

[@quiznoes69]

He was obviously cleared - the tower expressed no surprise whatsoever that he was airborne

[@johnhutto71]

That Hawker pilot was awfully pissy for having just caused an accident and shut down an airport for four hours. He needs to lose his license. He could've killed a lot of people.

[@logicplague]

Because he knew it was his fault, I see it with traffic accidents every day. They're embarrassed and don't want to accept responsibility. It isn't right at all, but that's why it happens.

[@SlipShodBob]

Given how people often act after causing an accident in a car when they have pulled out a junction without looking. (Why were you going along this main road, what do you mean I ran a stop sign you and the others should have stopped.) It surprises me how shocked some get that pilots and ATC can do the same thing

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

Regardless of who's at fault, the airborne pilot was just involved in a midair collision. Pissiness can be excused under the circumstances, even if he's the cause.

[@logicplague]

@@SlipShodBob "You ran the stop sign" "WELL IF YOU SAW ME RUN IT WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP? I WAS IN A HURRY!" Yep, that's exactly what I was talking about lol. Entitled, unaccountable people.

[@porschiste911]

If they took off, they thought they had clearance, even if it was not the case. You can clearly hear he doesn't understand he's at fault. In any case, it's shocking, at fault or not.

[@FlightX101]

Ill hold judgment for now. We really need to see the tapes before the takeoff to understand what happened

[@VASAviation]

Absolutely. I just showed what the official FAA statement said. I assume they are a realiable source.

[@cippalippa5327]

​@@VASAviationAbsolutely: FAA (just like any other national aviation governing body) has the raw recording from the ATC perspective. So, discounting a massive blunder on their part, they know what they're talking about.

[@childofthemagenta1956]

Smart man

[@Jorge-j4x]

This is too big of a mistake. He took off without clearance, the FAA wouldn't release that statement unless they were SURE.

[@1BergerVongSchlauigkeitHer]

@@Jorge-j4x "This info is preliminary & subject to change."

[@andyfpt]

Amazing fast work Victor! Houston news is saying the hawker took off without clearance.

[@VASAviation]

Thanks. That's what the FAA says. Statement shown in the video

[@andyfpt]

Ah my bleary morning eyes couldn't read the message on my phone screen 😊

[@tomriley5790]

Thanks for your work VAS, crazy if the jet departed without clearance!

[@SlimM5]

0:48 The fact that the pilot is not 100% sure of who had clearance confirms that maybe they weren't listening or paying attention to the comms. Glad this did not turn out to be a big disaster. @VASAviation thanks for the quick upload!

[@flutetubamorg]

Nice job Hobby tower getting that sorted fairly quickly.

[@757MrMark]

and the planes taxied off the runway to where ever they were directed to park. They were not stuck on the runway or a taxiway. How long should it take for KHOU ops people to clean up the runway? 4 hours?

[@user-de2zo1bw4d]

Ironically the Pilot with the attitude might be the reason for the mess!

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

Even if he is the cause, he's airborne after colliding with another aircraft midair. Just because he's at fault, it doesn't make his aircraft less damaged, nor does it make it any safer to fly.

[@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co]

@@PrenticeBoy1688No, but it also doesn't mean he gets to cop an attitude without consequences.

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co I dunno, man. That situation could've been deadly. He should face the music for his negligence, but getting shaken up after a collision is understandable.

[@VASAviation]

@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co no need to discuss that while he's airborne as Tower perfectly did. He didn't start a debate, just helped the aircraft come back and land right away.

[@Chr15T]

Where do you see an "attitude". All he is saying is he needs to come back immediately, which is a very responsible decision. He states that with the appropriate, assertive tone because it is really a priority.

[@bronze5420]

Hopefully the audio or a transcript of the preceding communications will be released soon.

[@Ink_25]

Thanks for the fast upload! Seems like that was just seconds away from a fireball on the runway, gee.

[@airtechmech6681]

Just listening to that made me nervous! I've flown in and out of there dozens of times and maintained a/c there for years. I know of several incidences there that didn't turn out so well.

[@robertbutsch1802]

It would be interesting to hear conversations for the whole event. I don’t know whether Victor has edited this down, but 9AA appears to have made a very rapid return to the airport. They ask tower if they have clearance to land. There doesn’t appear to be any prior vectoring. Edit: They’re given a 310 downwind by tower but nothing after that.

[@VASAviation]

Some communications are missing in the recording. Also you have the clock on the radar for time reference

[@MSJDesign]

Yeah, I wanna hear the non-clearance for runway 22.

[@BelowMinimums]

@@MSJDesign unfortunately it's not there on liveatc. The liveatc feed for HOU has approach, tower, and ground all on one feed. During the entire 2 minutes prior to the Hawker saying he hit somebody it doesn't have the tower talking

[@markmaki4460]

@@BelowMinimums It makes me wonder if someone is protecting the Hawker pilot/crew.

[@vogz10]

@@markmaki4460 No one is being "protected". Not all ATC frequencies are available on LiveATC.

[@bruschi8148]

This seems to be happening more and more! Great work Victor..

[@22noobtube]

I understand this is a serious emergency that controllers are handling in real time, but I would have loved to hear; “9AA, you’re cleared to land 13R, and sir, when you have a moment I have a phone number for you to copy down” 🤣

[@marksamuelsen2750]

I was a Corporate Pilot for 37+years flew mostly Dassault Falcon Jets. DA10,20,50& 900. Thankfully I never scratched a plane or a person in all those years.

[@starwolf.merc21]

very close to disaster

[@2talltyler152]

I'm neither a pilot nor an ATC controller (but I am a railroad dispatcher, a role roughly analogous to ATC for the rails). I see a potential for a second collision between N269AA and Southwest 1644 as they both try to land on the same runway. The tower didn't give a landing clearance to the accident airplane until (it appears, looking at the altitude readout) Southwest confirmed that they would cancel landing and climb, but the pilot of the accident aircraft was likely focusing on getting a damaged plane back to the ground as soon as possible, and not looking for conflicting traffic. The danger here is an inconveniently-timed loss of communication, from radio failure, pilot not listening/wrong frequency, etc., causing a mid-air collision. I won't pretend to know if anything could be done differently in this scenario, but on the railroad we work in a completely fail-safe manner, where the railroad will be in a safe state if communication fails at any time. That means always restricting the previously-authorized movement before allowing another to conflict. ATC seems to be fail-deadly, where planes are given landing clearance when another plane is still on the runway. If that plane aborts takeoff, you're counting on your ability to communicate with the landing plane to order them to go around. Again, I don't know how to solve this. Unlike trains, airplanes can't stop and wait in midair. But perhaps a different perspective may be interesting to the conversation.

[@bronze5420]

1644 and 9AA do get close, and probably break separation minima, but you can see by the time 9AA is on final there is well over 1000' separating them vertically. A lot of ATC separation does ensure separation in the event of a comms failure (IFR separation). Generally, if an operation is not fail safe, traffic is passed such that if something goes wrong AND comms are lost, there is an expectation that pilots provide their own visual separation, hence why passing traffic is so important. This situation was clearly non-routine as 9AA was in an emergency situation. There will be lots of talk about how things should have/could have been handled here. The reality is that a whole bunch of planes end up wanting to use the same small pieces of ground at around the same time, every day, all across the world. In order to make this work, margins have to be pushed, and a lot of work goes into ensuring it's all done as safely as possible.

[@mattconley4977]

Regarding this specific incident, tower was probably willing to accept a possible loss of separation to get the emergency back on the ground and there was no way to make the emergency a/c extend to land behind SWA. Regarding your general comments, I am ATC though not in a tower. You’re right. Some of the videos you have seem lately seem contrary to a safe operation. Having one or 2 a/c cleared to land where you have an a/c taxiing to depart does seem to be pushing the safety limits more than I would be comfortable with. There will be lots more to come on this incident but my 20 years in the job opinion says in this particular incident the controllers at HOU did a really good job keeping anything else bad from happening Would like to hear comms prior to incident also though

[@David-yh4wz]

CETC deals with 2D movements; ATC deals with 3D movements. CETC can also change the vectors/deconflict the vehicles themselves via switches, interlockings, etc. while ATC relies on pilot compliance with clearances to do the same. A last note is that, in your world, your last line of defense to stop an incursion is through PTC automation, while the world of aircraft has a multitude of automated systems performing the same types of jobs (TCAS, ARIWS, RAAS, etc.)

[@martincook3201]

Plenty of vertical separation between them, ATC made sure that SW climbed and that meant he could get AA directly in to the field.

[@SmokiesDen]

To further drive your point home at 1:25 the tower uses the wrong callsign to tell SWA1644 to go ground and he has to waste time making a second call at 1:32 with the correct callsign which even then never got acknowledged. Though from the looks of it, SWA1644 had already decided to go around (either on their own or TCAS) as their altitude started counting back up right after Hawker 9AA was given landing clearance at 1:25.

[@bartomand3681]

I will wait for the NTSB report to be released before making any kind of judgement here, due to a lack of information.

[@markg7963]

When I hear the voice and attitude of the mishap aircraft I’m immediately thinking I know ultimately who the culprit is. This one won’t be hard to figure out.

[@jackielinde7568]

I don't know. I can see someone in the right being as indignant about damage to their plane. It's more an admission of attitude, not guilt.

[@markg7963]

@@jackielinde7568 yes, agreed. But I don’t think most pilots I know would be so immediate to judge their own “rightness”. His attitude caught me as being pretty “off”. Of course we don’t really know where to look yet, but it seems likely to me either the takeoff aircraft without clearance or the tower messing up. And the landing aircraft had a chance to potentially spot this coming too. Proof we all need to be paying max attention. There is a lot at stake.

[@markg7963]

And sure enough. Looks like he took off without being cleared. Some kind of radio screw up, but he was so arrogantly sure he was right. I say a lot of times, luck over skill any day, in this case he was about 1/10th of a second away from being super unlucky.

[@C0mmanderX]

i love how n269aa is like, we cant do that we just had a midair collision! you cleared someone to take off infront of us! and the tower is like, ok do you wanna tell me and declare an emergency or just assume im all knowing and get upset with me first lmao

[@drn13355]

The pilot who was agitated at the tower took off without clearance.

[@waldolemmer]

Source?

[@VASAviation]

@@waldolemmer FAA

[@Chr15T]

Who was "agitated"? Did I miss something?

[@David-yh4wz]

@@Chr15T 0:49 "you guys cleared somebody to take off or land"

[@Chr15T]

@@David-yh4wz yes. stated in a calm voice, and probably completely correct.

[@youtubeaddict-1868]

Fortunately this incident was not a full blown disaster. Just alot of people needing to paper work now.

[@ronducote8564]

Green and red lights that are controlled by tower that are on side of runway giving visual indication of take off clearance. The simplest ideas tend to work best.

[@brennenpowaski3290]

Just taxied out on Monday morning. I literally said “this airport looks benign but is an accident waiting to happen”. The cross traffic is standard Ops.

[@mendaliv]

Awful lot of Monday morning quarterbacks in the comments when we don’t even have the pre-accident audio.

[@soccerguy2433]

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has released its Preliminary Report on the runway-intersection collision between a Textron Hawker 850XP (N269AA) and a Cessna Citation Mustang (N510HM) at Houston Hobby Airport on Oct. 24 (NTSB Accident No. DCA24FA017) The NTSB report indicates that the Hawker crew initiated its takeoff roll on Runway 22 *without clearance* and suggests the crew may have been distracted by anomalies related to avionics displays. The crew reported in post-accident interviews that, as they approached the takeoff runway with a clearance to “line up and wait,” V-speed indications were missing on their screens. And during the subsequent *uncleared* takeoff roll, they also experienced rudder-bias and pitch-trim alerts, the crew reported. In the meantime, the tower controller had cleared the Citation to land on Runway 13.

[@hyrenaj2888]

A second here and they might've missed each other entirely, a second there and everyone on both planes would probably have died.

[@cellis5111]

guess dan gryder will be sneaking onto the tarmac to find a piece of wreckage for this next video

[@mikelp72]

Will be interesting to see if there is clear audio recordings that the tower has access to. Otherwise it would be ATC’s word against the pilots’? Probably the CVR from the plane itself will play a role in the investigation.

[@VASAviation]

CVR and Tower tapes will figure this out

[@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145]

I watched a close call when a C208 PT6 MT 5blade monster we usually jump out of almost crashed 12 o'clock with a UL piloted by a student as the C208 was in final. The UL almost hit the right wing while passing under it to prevent collision. Bet I was shocked standing just 25m besides screaming in the radio "Paul, 12 o'clock!"

[@Badge1122]

Dang AM radios, aircraft radios should be FM. The perfect time was when the radio switched from tubes to transistors and not so many radios to switch. Now almost impossible. Stupid FAA and FCC.

[@billhart8729]

FM radios can step on each other, too, and may even give less indication that you are hearing a stepped-on transmission. FM will tend to give you only the stronger one that might not be the one you need.

[@mikelp72]

News reports say the Hawker (the on that got airborne and landed immediately) took off without clearance.

[@VASAviation]

Yes, I showed that on video

[@johanjacobs9240]

I'm not sure about the departure without clearance. ATC contact him and did not mentioned anything about an unauthorised clearance for take off. Or am I miss something. ATC is very quick to let an aircraft know if he did something illegal.

[@quiznoes69]

Yes, the comms make absolutely no sense if the Hawker rolled without clearance. He would be getting screamed at

[@beater8687]

​@@quiznoes69he did get yelled at to stop. Twice.

[@MadMako]

I see 13L is probably too short and realize there was likely FOD on both 22 and 13R... But I was immediately concerned they would be landing the airborne Hawker where the damaged Cessna had just been. Guess it was also the closest option, and the other aircraft had obviously cleared, but it jumped out of me. Until that instruction, I assumed the Cessna should hold position and await Rescue to arrive and inspect before moving. Regardless, I share everyone's relief that this blunder narrowly avoided greater tragedy.

[@heraldosánchez-g2x]

who the fuck takes off without clearance

[@Glofilter]

So the guy who took off without clearance is the guy on the radio who sounded angry. I'd love to know what he was thinking. Maybe he heard another clearance and mistook if for his own? He sounded mad, so I don't think they he thought he did anything wrong.

[@albertotognoni4819]

A mess😓, now the ntsb and faa must investigate what happened

[@matthewmiller6068]

At least they don't have to pick thru scorched wreckage and bodies for the evidence...

[@albertotognoni4819]

@@matthewmiller6068 right

[@Ba_A]

If true the Hawker had not been cleared for take off it seemed odd how Tower reacted during and after the incident as if they were totally unaware of the runway incursion and possible pilot deviation.

[@axelknutt5065]

Explain task saturation without explaining

[@Datamining101]

2:40 "The third one"? Must just be a mistake?

[@jdaniel3068]

That controller's voice sounds like the same ive heard from Houston several times.

[@candlercando]

That might explain why the pilot decided he knew better and to disregard Towers instructions. But why risk safety? What was there to gain by being a hot-dog?

[@cgtbrad]

Wouldn't be surprised if 269AA misheard and/or some communication got blocked. FAA really needs to modernize the radio system for more clarity. I'd suggest an ACARS style system in every cockpit where ATC instructions are spoken over the radio and also displayed on a screen in the pilots field of view. If they don't match it's a no-go. Some AI in the radar system cross checking the in-cockpit messages to warn controllers if they issue a bad clearance could help too.

[@aetherel]

Not sure if you’d need complicated AI to do that; you could maybe do it with deterministic algorithms.

[@ryancrazy1]

can wait to hear cockpit audio on this one

[@darylkidscorner6174]

ATC said THIRD emergency aircraft inbound (doesn't match the text on the video)... I'm surprised anyone heard a word he was saying, he was speaking so fast.

[@bahamaslive]

Dudes are now flying like they are driving cars ...

[@Dyson_Cyberdynesystems]

Well there you go. This has been predicted on this channel for weeks now..

[@mikek8377]

So the southwest plane at the end asked for clearance to push back. Did he not hear when the controller said everyone is to hold position? Or is he on a different frequency?

[@rilmar2137]

Somebody tell this Hawker pilot it's called "touch and go" not "hit and run", and "altitude" not "attitude"

[@Real_McPhee]

Man that’s a lot of attitude coming from a pilot that took with with cross traffic in front of him. Blaming the ATC in his first transmission. 🤦‍♂️

[@747heavyboeing3]

N269AA call the FAA after you shut down.

[@JimAllen-Persona]

You have to love Tower at 1:35... "All aircraft hold your position... no aircraft going anywhere." "Ok, well I guess I'll just put my A320 in hover mode until you get this straightened out" :-) Seriously, tower did a good job here.

[@goodshipkaraboudjan]

It's a ground call.

[@JimAllen-Persona]

@@goodshipkaraboudjan I know... but it just sounds odd because there are aircraft in the air on the frequency. Tower and ground are talking.

[@vakieh4381]

Uh, that was ground. That's what the gnd means...

[@Antwelm]

⁠​⁠@@JimAllen-PersonaTower and ground frequency (radios) is often combined into one stream (online). The radios wouldnt have both frequency, so pilots listening to tower, will not hear ground, but you do in the recording.

[@ShuRugal]

Why am I not surprised that this happened at Hobby?

[@gorgly123]

Seems as though there a lot of incidents involved with "Line up and wait" instructions. Maybe that practice should be discontinued. How much time does it actually save?

[@Jmjbs]

It saves a lot of time and is actually very necessary at a lot of airports to make departure gaps, otherwise delays would pile up. LUAW isn't the issue here, it's the pilot not paying attention.

[@gorgly123]

@@Jmjbs There have been instances where planes are LUAW and planes that have been cleared to land almost land on top of them. Also, planes that are LUAW where the landing aircraft needs to go around because the LUAW aircraft isn't cleared for takeoff. One incident I remember at SFO a plane had to go around 2 or 3 times in a row because the air traffic controller was putting an aircraft on the runway and for some reason they weren't cleared for takeoff in time. It use to be "Taxi into position and Hold" and they changed it to "Line up and wait". Maybe to prevent non-cleared takeoffs they need to change the phraseology again.

[@jameswest8280]

Just a few feet from disaster.

[@rwdplz1]

So the ATC recordings from before the incident showing if they cleared that aircraft are 'missing' ?

[@aspin-the-askal]

They are unavailable because the instructions were stepped on. Live ATC uses one stream for all frequencies at Hobby

[@72TrentO]

Here we are 9mo later... I'm guessing a coupla Hawker pilots are sitting at home right now watching a whole lot of TeeVee. Next stop-- cargo, a year from now once they're insurable again. IMHO, we're talking wanton-disregard territory.

[@scotabot7826]

WOW!!! These incursions almost seem to be a daily occurrence. Those people, one second in either direction, were very close to disaster!!!!! Hawker pilot, it seems, screwed up big time!!!!

[@markmohr9356]

Colliding once on takeoff, ok. But then again on landing....that's rough.

[@robertd7073]

No landing issues arff wanted them to stop taxi tho

[@AllThingsAviation]

any prior atc? like when the hawker was talking to ground? what were his instructions

[@aspin-the-askal]

It is now known (from multiple media sources) that the 9AA was cleared to LUAW but was not given a takeoff clearance, and that the controller, multiple times, instructed him to stop his takeoff roll

[@Glegh]

If that cessna was going a couple knots slower it would've probably been deadly

[@flymdjets]

Wind 150/17G27 and he's departing 22 instead of 14?? Gonna be interesting getting more deets.

[@v1rotate391]

pretty standard around HOU. Easier to land into the wind on 13R. landing 22 is a tighter squeeze to land because of 15R departures out of IAH.

[@yoopernow]

The guy who allegedly departed uncleared was aggressively miffed that the "other guy" was LANDING without a clearance, wasn't he?

[@E.Escharcha]

How about the pilot who took off without permission permanently looses his license and gets fined millions for physical and economic damages of his criminally reckless action. Also, at least a full year in prison to consider his consequences.

[@StrmJim]

History repeating itself

[@NotBrainy]

this happened at my city

[@RussianSevereWeatherVideos]

Just a matter of time until a major disaster methinks. The current system seems really untenable.

[@rafa_pinheiro]

Why it seems americans pilots tend to not explicit declare emergency or even call mayday?

[@gerardpully762]

Great job by ATC. However, was it necessary to suspend all operations for FOUR hours? Something is very wrong at Hobby.

[@redcat9436]

Four hours sounds reasonable to me.

[@danielmoser1024]

Does anyone know the process of getting investigators there quick or is there a NTSB/FAA rep on site at larger airports?

[@kewkabe]

Tech at the airport pulls the tapes, controllers give statements, QA determines ATC responsibility (if any). Simultaneously NTSB typically sends team and do their separate investigation and interviews.

[@katout75]

Say goodbye to that pilot's license for N269AA flight crew.

[@zulgadams5837]

Some one may be in a tiny bit of trouble, opps!!😲

[@Iam_Dunn]

Scary stuff! :/ ❤

[@wheelairrentals7132]

Dan Gryder was right

[@Boscoh_]

Some serious questions have to be answered: 1. How did both pilots of the hawker miss the line up and wait call. 2. How did tower miss the takeoff roll of the aircraft that was supposed to wait on a runway that was intersecting an active landing runway. Hobby is a poorly designed airport for the amount of traffic it handles. 13R and 22 are very commonly in use simultaneously. If you’re going to have aircraft lining up and waiting on an active-intersecting runway it would seem logical to have extra eyes in the tower to make sure instructions are followed. The final report on this will be interesting.

[@soccerguy2433]

The NTSB report indicates that the Hawker crew initiated its takeoff roll on Runway 22 without clearance and suggests the crew may have been distracted by anomalies related to avionics displays. The crew reported in post-accident interviews that, as they approached the takeoff runway with a clearance to “line up and wait,” V-speed indications were missing on their screens. And during the subsequent uncleared takeoff roll, they also experienced rudder-bias and pitch-trim alerts, the crew reported. In the meantime, the tower controller had cleared the Citation to land on Runway 13.

[@soccerguy2433]

You should go work as ATC... They need workers. Then you can realize how complex & difficult the job is

[@Boscoh_]

@@soccerguy2433 a need for workers isn’t an excuse for dangerous conditions. However as it turns out the latest report says the tower did see them start rolling and called them twice to stop, the pilots just ignored it. Question answered.

[@candlercando]

@@Boscoh_ A serious question demands a serious consequence. Your question #1 was not answered yet.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

@@candlercandothey did respond to the line up and wait call with “line up and wait” so the call wasn’t missed.

[@shadow.banned]

Conrad Jules Aska.

[@lando1071]

Someone getting fired.

[@larry_ellison]

What does departed without permission imply. Like pirates or what they just rolled too quick?

[@princekamoro3869]

They were not cleared for takeoff.

[@Glegh]

Its exactly as it says. They departed without permission.

[@heyjakeay]

Narrow escape!

[@Chr15T]

No injuries, Hawker able to land and both aircraft able to taxi. Still, airport closed for 4 hours. Why?

[@mm9374]

Accident investigation?

[@Chr15T]

@@mm9374 For that, 4 hours would be really short.

[@loudidier3891]

Documentation of where the debris is on the runways then debris removal is my guess.

[@robertd7073]

Airplanes need to be inspected for leaks before coming back to the ramp

[@perkelix]

Apprently he was too dumb to hold position after landing, too. The way ground yelled for him to get ordered by tower to hold position is telling.

[@captainnathan1164]

Aviation is getting spicy😊

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Someone dun forked up.

[@Archonch]

"Call me back in 10minutes" "The airport remained closed for 4hours"

[@jimmiller5600]

Yeah, I'd love to hear the back story on that one. I'm guessing somebody pulled out the strict interpretation of the FAA / NTSB post-crash ops book that says "leave everything where it lays so we can work out the incident progression". Probably not needed in this incident. Four hours of delayed, cancelled and rerouted inbound flights stinks but they could have had a bunch of dead people midfield so it all worked out.

[@1972challenger]

Sounds better then call me back in 4 hours

[@nosuchanimal6947]

well... things were quite hectic at that moment, so basically "in 10m, i'll hopefully know what's going on and can give you more info. in the meantime, please let me handle the current situation"

[@cippalippa5327]

​@@jimmiller56004 hours can be justified if, like it seems to be, the collision occurred on the runway: that being the case you need an inspection per every runway that could have been used by the accident planes.

[@jaysmith1408]

@@1972challengerI’d rather hear four hours. I’mma goin to George Bush.

[@jorgeB767-3ER]

VAS Aviation is 'The Fastest Gun in the West' for aviation incidents, practically as soon as they happen.

[@codeblocks4067]

Maybe they are causing them? 0.o Good way to get views... sounds like a viable conspiracy theory.

[@n0otch943]

Well they are always first on the scene... 🤔@@codeblocks4067

[@JohnSmith-dh3kx]

@@codeblocks4067 I never thought of that. You might be on to something

[@notarapper2003]

Don't think he heard about this one as he usually is spot on within a couple hours. I messaged him on Instagram about this incident a few hours after it happened

[@cdhagen]

0:49 "you guys cleared somebody to take off or land" - yes exactly and it wasn't you! 😫

[@r.b.4009]

Imagine the reaction when he hears the tapes. Well actually we don't know what was said beforehand, as there are no radios to be heard here before the incident.

[@JahongirHaitov]

my thought exactly

[@zone2Ironman]

yeah he was awful upset at the tower for the mishap that he caused by taking off without permission

[@marcellkovacs5452]

"Why is everybody driving the wrong way?"

[@user-re4hc7yf2m]

@@zone2Ironman Typical boomer charter captain. Spent way to many trips with assholes like this. Everything bad that happens is always someone else's fault. He will hear the tapes with his stupidity clear as day and STILL find a way to displace blame.

[@Av8orn8]

I was SWA 2214…we heard tower tell 9AA to stop at least twice before the collision occurred. Very glad everyone is still alive.

[@EleanorBrand]

Hey Nate, KMANOUT B787 retired over here at American Airlines. The controller appeared to not be aware of anything when 9AA called back with an “issue”. Your thoughts?

[@candlercando]

@@EleanorBrand Thoughts? The Hawker Pilot has some sort of "issue" with ATC or a cockpit "issue"? NTSB had thoughts on their preliminary report. "At 1518:01 the local controller instructed the crew of N269AA to LUAW on runway 22, to which the crew acknowledged. The local controller did not give a traffic advisory to N269AA." ... "N269AA was in the takeoff roll on runway 22, when the flight data/clearance delivery controller alerted the local controller about N269AA’s movement, and at 1519:47 the local controller stated “november nine alpha alpha, stop, hold your position.” There was no response from the crew of N269AA, and at 1519:53 the local controller again stated, “alpha, alpha, hold your position, stop,” to which there was still no response."

[@bittnerbs]

The Hawker is a 2 pilot jet…more than 1 pilot is responsible for taking off without a clearance.

[@B4s3MXxD]

The DuPage Aerospace corporate fleet that includes N269AA also has a Gulfstream with tail number N501HM. The plane that N269AA collided with has tail number N510HM. Both pilots may fly several planes in the fleet including N501HM. They may have suffered temporary loss of situation awareness when hearing N510HM was given clearance to land given the similarities in tail numbers. You can hear the pilot having difficulty in recalling their tail number over the radio coms. Several times he starts rattling off "Romeo romeo..." before correcting himself. Incidentally, the corporate fleet also includes a Hawker with tail number N416RR.

[@Nirmak13]

No. We fly different call signs every day. If you’re not sure it’s you, then you verify

[@flyflh]

For the Hawker to be taking off through an intersecting runway and not be concerned about another aircraft on that runway and visually checking is amazing.

[@davidh4653]

@@GWNHomesteadI don't think he was implying it wasn't the pilot's mistake. Of course it is. An explanation into the thought process and the reason why it happened doesn't transfer responsibility. WHO was responsible and WHAT was the cause are two different concepts, and both are important. Saying "It's the pilot's mistake" is the beginning of the analysis, not the end. At no point did the @B4s3MXxD say it wasn't the pilot's fault, or that he should get a free pass on anything. I'm not sure why you assumed that. All he was doing was identifying the exact errors made in the pilot's thought process, and discussing possible reasons why it might have happened, because understanding those things are how we improve aviation safety. When someone brings up, "The pilot often flies a plane with a similar tail number as another plane that was cleared," the implication is not "Oh, well that's OK that it happened then," rather, the implication is, "Holy shit, that's an easy mistake to make if we're not careful, and that's why we all need to be extra careful about verifying ATC instructions."

[@ronvera]

@@B4s3MXxD excellent example of swiss cheese effect in Safety. Thanks for sharing

[@driftspecs13]

Fellow pilots, I can't believe I (or really, I shouldn't) have to say this, but this the reason why you and your crewmate, if applicable, need to be actively listening in these critical phases of flight. LUAW doesn't mean take off immediately, it means line up and wait. I guarantee the tower controller told them to LUAW and that there was landing traffic on the intersecting rwy. I've seen this kind of complacency a lot recently in these ATC videos and its getting on my last nerve. If you're unsure of the last ATC request, ASK THEM FOR CLARIFICATION. ASSUME NOTHING. It costs exactly zero dollars to double check your clearance. Jfc, suck your damn pride up and ask. If that Mustang had touched down less than two seconds earlier, we'd have a mini Tenerife on our hands. Complacency. Kills.

[@michaelnuttall5896]

Complacency kills. So do race quotas and incompetence.

[@berenonehand]

Yeah I wouldn't jump to any conclusions until we hear the conveniently "unavailable" audio. The FAA has lied plenty in the past.

[@its_whack]

​@@michaelnuttall5896love how you took something that has absoulty nothing to do with it and shoved your opinion in there

[@smedleyfarnsworth263]

@@its_whack It does not alter the facts in the post though.

[@johnpooky84]

@@its_whack Which of these two options is safer for the aviation community, in general?: 1. Hire ATCs based on qualifications and merit, REGARDLESS of skin color. 2. Hire ATCs based on meeting a quota for a certain amount of "not white people" in the tower.

[@fhuber7507]

Very unfortunate to not have the radio coms of the 1 minute prior to the collision.....

[@c200d45e95]

Yes, surely there is GND audio of N269AA taxi clearance? I can't believe they taxied all the way to the runway without clearance! But, maybe it wasn't archived publicly. FOIA!!! ASAP!!!

[@VASAviation]

@@c200d45e95 the last transmission recorded for AA was to monitor Tower. Unfortunately they are combined in one feed and some transmissions are missing

[@bandbigred]

Houston ATC is funky - sometimes early morning Hobby is clearing flights into IAH And the quality is always trash

[@john-lk1xd]

I went back earlier after I first pulled the audio, and heard nothing, funky setup at KHOU, it all comes thru one berry receiver there, so you usually don't get the full conversation as it goes back and forth between freqs KHOU Gnd/Twr/App Archive Access: KHOU Gnd/Twr/App Facility Frequency Hobby Approach (Final) 133.050 Hobby Ground 121.900 Hobby Tower 118.700 @@c200d45e95

[@johnellis5828]

The FAA has already reviewed the incident and determined that the aircraft taking off did not have permission. Would be nice to hear it, but the FAA has already heard it, so at least we know what happened.

[@DanaX09]

Every time I hear ATC directing aircraft in an emergency I think to myself, “I’m so glad I never became an ATC!” So many things happening at the same time….good job to the folks who do it every day!

[@jacktrieger1499]

For everyone asking to hear what happened right before, the official recordings get locked down pretty much immediately after a major incident like this. Even within the agency the tapes can't be accessed except by the people that are investigating. Videos like this that get posted right away get their audio from live atc, which doesn't record all frequencies at all times.

[@karanssh]

Thanks a lot VAS for the quick upload

[@MichaelSmith-us4ol]

Interesting to note that in both readbacks from N269AA (the right turn to 310 AND the cleared to land) the person reading back says "Romeo" something and then corrects to "Alpha Alpha" maybe the Hawker pilot was mentally still flying another plane with a different tail number (with R in it) and that is part of the taking off without a clearance?

[@jwenting]

he did seem convinced that he was in the right and the aircraft he hit was in the wrong, so quite possible.

[@Helicopterpilot16]

@@jwenting Interesting week regarding mental health and pilots I'd say.

[@MasterClassComments]

Wonder if any other aircraft on the field or in the vicinity had R or something similar in their tail #?

[@waldogonzalez1263]

I heard that too. Funny that he was being a little testy with ATC, yet it was his/their fault.

[@orektez]

@@Helicopterpilot16makes ya wonder if they're being pushed to hard

[@PCJ52]

"you guys cleared somebody to take off or land" Oops. His tone is probably going to change when he finds out who the culprit is.

[@airtechmech6681]

Maybe you have never heard of a clearance given by mistake. We have had several incidences like this recently.

[@FearlessLeader2001]

Both ground and tower handled this beautifully. I'm genuinely impressed with the speed and effectiveness of the response, they took their emergency training to heart.

[@kinghans6266]

I really love these total generic comments regarding incidents like this.

[@TheGreenReaper]

@@kinghans6266 *insert 20 comments about skilled cryptocurrency trader and how to reach them*

[@sawspitfire422]

I really love these total generic comments regarding these total generic comments regarding incidents like this

[@ImpendingJoker]

You must be a lot of fun at parties, assuming you get invited to any.@@kinghans6266

[@hawthornehay9146]

Yeah fr, they worked this situation perfectly. Everyone was on top of the problem and there was no arguing at all.