PRO Analysis: DEN vs JORDOX | BBU 2022

In the second semi final of the Beatbox United Battle Den is battling Jordox - 2 musical approaches but 2 very different vibes. Who won and why? Find it out in this video!
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[@MrJakanal]

The story behind Jordox video is actually very nice if you understand it. The axe is here to be dropped meaning the end of the war, in french we say"to burry the battle axe" when are trying to reconciliate with someone. Jordox is tired of shedding blood through battles and hopes for a focus on artistry more than a battle oriented competition. I think that's what he meant in his lyrics. Falling in the water like he does reminds me of a religious tradition when you wash away your sins by emerging yourself in the water. He, by the way, does it right after countering Den like he's cleansing himself for what he has just done and ends the cycle here which lead to the last part of his routine about peace and being lighter, purified from his burden, his sins. I think it was a very poetic moment and i love it, Jordox touches the soul.

[@User127m]

Never thought this deep about it Thanks for this

[@scoobtavian1222]

Lmao imagine joining a battle just to give up cause you realize your way outmatched

[@Tocinos]

we say "bury the hatchet" in English

[@Tocinos]

@@scoobtavian1222 Lmao imagine failing to differentiate "You're" between "Your"

[@BPH29]

This coming from the guy that made a whole video/song torching Madox. He knew he was going to get destroyed by Den so he takes the “high road.” Jord has skill but he was highly overrated in BBU.

[@kaeoss4478]

I love yours and Alem’s reactions. Your analysis is always top notch. Thanks for these!

[@Madoxbeatbox]

❤️❤️

[@wooshbait36]

Alem who? 😂

[@bruceryan6254]

I feel like Jordox knew he going to lose and was just happy to battle Den. His lyrics of. Just sit back and enjoy the ride... I’m just here to express my soul. But you just want see blood. And then at the end he finally accepted it and went to heaven. Loved the track.

[@zteir]

Honestly fairly right lol, if you saw his comment on Daveys vid then yah u know. Cause he said go win in the finals saying he lost. I mean dude rn I don’t think any round in the competition could have beaten that one lol

[@exynomeus9561]

Lol no

[@zteir]

@@exynomeus9561 I mean yah lol

[@abdulrafay2730]

Absolutely what i thought.....because he wanted to save his best track for small finals vs bart... Maybe he knew, it would be really hard to win against den. So better keep his best track for small finals. Otherwise, we knew that vilardo was really strong in top16, but he defeated him with his masterpeice, which clearly shows that he has potential

[@edwardshaw1335]

i’m so happy that we get to see a new side to den!! like madox said, imagine if we get to see this freak of nature perform something like this on a stage… like wow!!! i enjoyed the reaction! 🔥🔥🔥

[@mustaphahajji1711]

Quality Content as usual !!! OUTSTANDING MR MADOX!

[@limo-swine6537]

That new bass Den is doing sounds like "soft" vibration bass. The soft vibration bass doesn't require throat bass. The hard vibration bass involves throat bass.

[@domsgi05]

It's like what Hippy does

[@thegreatest7664]

@@domsgi05 it's hard to say anything about hippy's bass bc his beats were poorly produced and i don't think he had a mic

[@silver9107]

@@thegreatest7664 he didn’t have a mic because a little piece of advice was given to him saying don’t give h1ppy a mic

[@magicalgamer5684]

It is chest bass

[@jana.ortizo8552]

It is his unique inward bass whew

[@taikich.]

letsgoooo!! really loved the rounds

[@mumbaikachallenge5526]

Madox's video always professional ❤️

[@Madoxbeatbox]

Thank you! 😍

[@zteir]

@@Madoxbeatbox HEHEHEHA

[@WelcomeToMagic]

Lol it’s so dope listening to you imitate Den! Even though you’re just down playing it when you do it, shits so sick

[@dittoesh5848]

Good and long analyse, thank you!❤️

[@Alexandr_Hartman]

6:04 Den is only lucky he didnt face Madox in the semi’s. Just how destructive madoxs countres could have been!! 😂

[@Madoxbeatbox]

😜

[@gregoryanderson6916]

@@Madoxbeatbox I love ur vids!

[@Purry_Franklin]

@@gregoryanderson6916 We all do :D

[@zteir]

😂 that’s kinda funny

[@alice469]

29:45 My interpretation of this was that being softer may have been intentional. The kind of atmosphere that was created in the beginning, with the calming melody and lyricism, didn't project feelings of charging into battle. 37:12 In the visual video itself, he's in a beautifully serene woodland environment. The axe he's holding seems incredibly out of place in a setting like this. Upon saying "you just want to see blood", He drives that weapon into the soil. 31:13 It was mentioned that this section sounded slower or darker and it lacked power. To me, this felt like he didn't hold the strength to drive his weapon into his competitor because he never truly wanted to "bloody his hands" in the first place. The lyrics of his song were about him being here to express his soul, but others wanting a bloody battle. "Let's calm down. Enjoy the ride. We got into this newer level, rising up above like doves. But you just don't get it. I'm just here to express my soul, but you just want to see blood." 37:24 The section about Den seemed out of place, just as the axe did. After he was done, he let go of the axe, dropping his "bloodied weapon". And as it slowly sinks to the bottom, he falls down into the water with open arms. Almost as if he was cleansing himself of sin or of the blood he had reluctantly spilled, knowing that he'd live with the guilt of his actions. Afterward, he transitions into a melody with a similar energy as the beginning's. However, while still beautiful, it feels much more empty and solemn as he sings his final verse. "I want to spend the rest of my days walking on clouds and just fading away. Sharing, caring, and loving the same. I want to always remember your name."

[@lordgamingop2810]

Madox can't get over the loose He's still battling jordox by playing den's song on jordox's radio. 😂😂😂

[@Madoxbeatbox]

😂😂😂😂

[@airdrophunters4811]

Hahaha

[@is.takayo4128]

I really really love dens beats, his voice just soundss so unique, the way he uses it is so nice. Especially paired with his beatboxing skills, peerfeecttt😍❤

[@arjay797]

I didn't know that den is a filipino!!! Sheeesh his other cap has a Philippines logo damn, so proud to you man

[@ahnanasyhari657]

Den is masterclass in beatbox create the melody is insane 🔥🔥

[@Drunken_shun]

Best beatbox analyzer Madox💕

[@ajiaufar1456]

Masterpiece den🔥🔥

[@mrpopo1099]

When Madox was trying to do the inward k snare it looks like he's having a seizure, I Love it!

[@Bullweil]

whenever I think, after another year of Beatbox Battle tournament, ok, you can't get any better, then a new jordox comes along from somewhere.... Amazing absoluteley

[@rythmindlove2425]

Rythmind and Madox love

[@the_king5928]

Rythmind and you love

[@skronk6931]

Rythmind and Omar AI love

[@kartikeyarathore9704]

Rythmind and Madox love

[@user-fr9zd5zw2p]

みんな大好き

[@teacherlikeabobdylan]

Now everyone loves you

[@legendlion3821]

youre the best analyzer!

[@dynamo3421]

instead of hiring a band, I'll call Den, he does everything himself

[@samsandwich211]

Honestly mixing drum and base with melody was a genius move on his part because he might have lost if it came down purely to musicality.

[@bigbluecrayon]

Personally, dens new bass is my new favorite sound, it’s like a polyphonic bass

[@BrooklynSkateUSA]

It’s just a soft airy vibration bass

[@wooshbait36]

It's just a soft airy vibration bass. I teach beatbox

[@rewrewrewrewr2674]

I think the problem with jordox's round was that he didnt have much ammunition on den. Meaning den doesnt really have anything jordox can call out or insult him on. For example, tomazacre had the situation and drama around him, and madox had a video where he kidnapped stitch which allowed jordox to make an entire detective plot. But den has little to no flaws, making it a lot harder to battle him. Jordox also said his round for the small final he will go all out, which makes me think he just threw this round because he knew he would lose or because he wanted den to win.

[@kavinraveendran5108]

Can you analyze Helium vs Inertia - bbu next ? It's a controversial one Helium got robbed

[@kohinorbbx]

Inertia clearly won it for me

[@aftabrohman2973]

I think inertia won pretty fair in my opinion.

[@Kixal07]

@@aftabrohman2973 how? it wasnt fair at all because the judging was clearly biased they falsely said helium had bad timing even when he didnt, just so that way inertia would win, its biased and unfair

[@audibox2605]

Yes plzzzz

[@audibox2605]

@@Kixal07 yeah I agree with you bro

[@therealandre97]

Kannst du bitte öfter Sachen so gut erklären 😂😂😂😂

[@GBNationalist]

It really feels like den and jordox took this competition with a different tone. Jordox was chill, laid back but it wasn’t spectacular, it didn’t make me stand up at any point, it didn’t make me move, it didn’t reach me. I get his lyrics and they are great but this is a competition and the fact that Den came with such a killer vibe and beat only made his track sounds less impressive. Den is displaying his killer instinct and versatility, while also providing a beautiful musical experience. Both are brilliantly talented but I really think it’s the mindset in which they picked what tunes to provide for the competition that separates them. Jordox just want to make music, which I vibe with but in a competition, I want to see the greatest displays of skill, musical arrangement, creativity etc. Not be lulled to sleep. Den came displaying his full killer instincts here which is what I want to see in competition, this is how the bar is raised and beatboxing gets even better. Makes me think of reeps one back in the day. Many people think his opponents did better than him but in the end it was his creativity and musical arrangement, his ability to experiment with new and amazing sounds that over the years turned him into a legend and his opponents into afterthoughts. I think both of these guys, in their own styles, will go on to create some amazing and truly game changing musical pieces. All of the comments I see about Jordox being the better one refer to his lyrics and meaning or his videos story … something that doesn’t carry basically any weight in a beatboxing competition. Maybe that’s jordox’s issue. He is aiming to the wrong crowd in these competitions. He is aiming at people who care about lyrics in a vocal technique competition.

[@mumbaikachallenge5526]

Aight❤️

[@fernandoheredia5465]

Madox where di you buy that t-shirt omg i want oneee 😩😔👉👈

[@Sam-rk3ng]

That new bass sounds like a polyphonic voice. Maybe instead of a falsetto he constricted his voice to make an airy low note?

[@justanotherviewer1282]

It sounds like throat bass but less throat.. idk how to explain but something like that

[@SwitchBladeEVO]

I heard someone else say the really crazy new bass and also the one you commented on like an old man voice might be a bit of vibration bass with poly voice on top of it which is why it sounds filtered. The poly makes total sense, but I'm not sure about the type of bass it is and I don't know if he's said anything about it anywhere yet. **Also with Jordox's voice thing at the end of his round, you can hear him doing a chest thump to get I think polyrhythm?? Or just to create the echo effect if it's not quite polyrhythm.

[@friendlyanders9225]

I think they have originality in there because they dont want people to do covers of other peoples beatbox routines for their rounds, or just use old routines of theirs. So yea its an easy point to get if you create something new, but it means that you kind of have to create something new

[@danielquinn1195]

Den’s new bass reminds me a bit of Inertia👀👀

[@Hyzic]

DEN is absorbing his defeated opponents lol

[@bigboom2438]

I thought I was about to watch a christmas video with the colors in the background and what Madox is wearing lmao

[@kvrt619]

man dropping sick beats with a ph cap and a bohol shirt.

[@newgen2898]

Proud Pinoy hehe

[@zacharycoulson3482]

I really liked the beginning of Jordox's entry but he kept the same airy and soft sound design for his front against Den which was originally a punchy pop beat. This made the front feel pretty flat and then after he finished the front and did the "same progression" house beat he maintained his airy and soft sound design which made that part also feel flat. Jordox has a great original style and so many great ideas, but I think some of his issues with timing and not adapting his style to fit the dance music beats took away from the impact of this performance. All this aside it was awesome watching him throughout the competition and I'm looking forward to seeing more from him in the future!

[@kailashanand5086]

I actually agree with madox about the extra point. I dont think it is necessary for the reasons you mentioned in the video. each batter has already been graded on various aspects for all the previous points. sometimes, like in kbb and extra point may be used to break a tie when it comes to points, but then sxin and chezame already mentioned that if there is a tie, then the user voting decides the winner...so im not really sure if this extra point must exist...let me know about what you think

[@Madoxbeatbox]

Yeah they gotta rethink the system for next BBU! Still better system then most others, because they are really transparent with their decisions. In other battles you never know why exactly the judges made certain decisions.

[@kailashanand5086]

@@Madoxbeatbox yes i wholeheartedly agree. I do however feel that the binary decision making system maybe be a little too stifled. Maybe a little more room can be given so that the battler with slightly better details get rewarded for it. So maybe instead of having it either a score of 0 or 1, it could be 0,1 or 2. So if a certain aspect has been executed pretty well done then it's 1, if it's outstanding or very creative, or any other superlative feeling then it's a 2...and if it's not good at all or if it's sub-par then it's a 0

[@Madoxbeatbox]

@@kailashanand5086 yeah more points actually makes sense as they had a lot of situations where one was just slighty better!

[@zteir]

@@Madoxbeatbox I honestly don’t think there is a perfect way to judge beatboxing 😂, you can’t always please everyone which honestly I kind love because then it favors certain types of beatboxers and also shows the diversity of beatboxing. I really like the way gbb does it but it’s hard to do that for an online battle

[@lolapeanut591]

yes, someone else who agrees with me that sensations is the best! don’t get me wrong, moments is top notch as well, but sensations is, well, sensational. you can vibe with moments i had and twisted fate but I can see people actually dancing and making choreo for sensations. it’s like the perfect song to wine to 🙌

[@zteir]

I AGREEEEE

[@zteir]

Like sensations came out and JT WAS SUCH A VIBE. AN ACTUAL SONG. Moments I had is def good but like I can’t vibe to it very well tbh. I mean it’s still one of the best rounds in BBU tho 😂

[@Oleleh]

I couldn’t see where jordox wanted to go, his drop was den’s routine

[@excylejardeleza542]

Shmadox is reacting on bbu again?😱

[@misterdot6923]

professor madox

[@eshwald9312]

10:06 when madox eats extreamly delicious ramen

[@salamanafurahi1978]

What kind of battle moves were people expecting from 2 bbxers from *Canada* - a country with a reputation for having super polite and friendly people?! Even Den's "diss" outro skit was low key complimentary to Jordox with a comparison to Twisted Fate from League of Lengends - lol

[@tiagosanchez9663]

I want you to post on the channel for MADOX JP as well.

[@Milk-ht2it]

Please React Heartzel Iron Throat BBU22

[@cronen2891]

I think I saw dlow do dens technique on one of his streams

[@boyw5893]

where is the analyz of den vs inertia man of culture?

[@kencwing]

I think sensations is MORE CATCHY than twisted fate too .

[@mukti_26]

Den pecah terus sih 🔥

[@kshin8890]

I'm looking forward to seeing how Hiss counters Den.

[@zteir]

I’m just looking forwards to Daveys next routine 😂

[@SavageSilasDK_BBX]

Den just did It a on stage in a Canadian battle

[@Song_of_style]

15:04 vocalize chest bass. Maybe:)

[@ethanvaughntaran5893]

den's new bass might be a vibration bass?...or inertia's inward voice?...or something else?

[@tronix_kwak]

sounds like vocal fry

[@justuser2681]

Not vibration

[@zxibs3645]

sounds like between throat and vibration bass

[@ethanvaughntaran5893]

he might be creating a new bass of his own but its pretty close with inertia's

[@Joemama-bn6rd]

Pls react to Vilardo vs Jordox

[@tiamichelle100]

Wait I didn’t see the video of you reacting to sensations

[@speedshock13]

it's in inward bass tutorial video

[@tiamichelle100]

@@speedshock13 thank you !!

[@Bullweil]

best analysis on the sector right now..... clean english my friend

[@zxibs3645]

den's new bass sounds like den just woke up and his voice is messed up

[@Madoxbeatbox]

Hahahaha

[@TalixZen]

32:28 To me it sounds more like fist on chest tapping, rather than finger on throat tapping, but I could be wrong.

[@zteir]

I agree actually. Yah it sounds more natural like chest tapping

[@jacobsstories8093]

Vibration bass, has that forced guttural vibration behind his breath

[@px134]

madox vs jordox madox: *takes hostage, ties him to chair, proceeds to drop one of the sickest beats i've heard* "no drive" analyze "Den vs JordoX" madox (when commenting on jordox): "s o s m o o t h"

[@Sevaiduu]

24:12 Nice aight

[@legalnut9950]

Am I the only one that noticed den changing caps after every cut? XD

[@Izz12705]

No.

[@zteir]

😂. Honestly didn’t realize til you pointed it out. I think it is kind of purposeful

[@kaeoss4478]

I think originality point was supposed to be that they didn’t copy any songs to closely, that is why everyone gets the point. Now it has become pointless. I think instead of making this a judging category it should be a rule that you can’t copy another song. So I think they can’t change the definition mid way through competition and maybe they will change it next time. I feel like extra point is somewhat of a cop-out to sway the vote to who they want to progress, which I think enjoyment of listening is kind of doing as well. Since this is the first one ever, Iobviously it doesn’t bother me that much, I just hope they talk to people whom they respect for constructive criticism (like you) to make this judging less ambiguous. No hate, I absolutely love what they are doing here. Big ups to Sxin and Chezame!

[@communistcat526]

Judges can't knows every song oon this planet

[@Madoxbeatbox]

Yeah but the thing is Hiss was covering a few melodies and still got the originality point. Of course S&C can‘t know all songs and also they mentioned covering wouldn‘t be a problem. I also covered a disney song in my battle against Stitch if you remember. 😜

[@mrhayz89]

15:11

[@goldenhawx8652]

Yeah Madox I agree with you too. I don’t like the new zombie type of bass. It doesn’t fit in such a musical routine. Just my opinion.

[@zteir]

It wasn’t that musical tho tbh. It’s more of a flex/tech round but yah davey is always gonna have musicality lol

[@SeiBaraza]

Wait Madox are you Hannover?

[@Madoxbeatbox]

Yes I live there now

[@SeiBaraza]

@@Madoxbeatbox looking forward to find you Unterwegs xD

[@Gamingfish236]

I would go for Jordox because Uuummmmmm uuummmm he has a cool hat

[@muhammadtalhaawan2735]

Like Twisted Fate 😄

[@zteir]

Like twisted fate 😝

[@Luquiyoutube]

7:52 i hear that often

[@zteir]

…

[@Velinastus]

Jordox sounds like he didnt want to be forced into doing anything battle related.. He just wanted to share his music and be judged off his music and not be forced to sacrifice his performance to slip a diss in..

[@Plem_xo]

Yeah, Den to me doesn't seem like a competitor. His music aims for a different goal than the typical "im better" thing going on in the pro scene which is still great, but he does his own thing.

[@kavinraveendran5108]

Clear win for Den , Jordox's round was very weak

[@Samuel-wn4ib]

ye

[@artemlipov7555]

Jordox is weak beatboxer))) Not only his final round ;)

[@absence9443]

@@artemlipov7555 "Jordox is weak beatboxer" I presume I'm correct to assume you're below 16yo

[@vengeance_i1]

​@@artemlipov7555 what?

[@dariuss1565]

@@absence9443 man don’t assume that us 16 year-olds think like him :( He’s stupid, we aren’t

[@naudibharathkumar9757]

hello

[@maplesyrup4803]

Yes thank you for the previews that ruin the best parts of the video :)

[@zoom4411]

Taiwanese here 文化人

[@Joy-sf1cy]

文化人

[@nangdup]

You are so handsome like me

[@zteir]

???

[@jumpguyty]

No disrespect to Jordox, but these routines aren't even remotely in the same category.

[@zteir]

Ik that’s what I’m sayin, like JordoX did a good job. But davey rn in this style of competition no one can compete 😂

[@marv1005]

Taong kultura

[@hata_0]

我其實聽不太懂那個文化人XDD

[@Joy-sf1cy]

台語嗎？

[@bobbobo2568]

I mean they even give points for originality even if you literally do a cover song...so yeah it's kinda useless :D

[@zteir]

Not true. Like for who lol?

[@Tocinos]

Bro I'm tired of seeing "Musicality" when "Singing" is what they meant. Literally, every, time. All beatbox is music.

[@SerialNightmare]

Except it doesn't just mean singing. Musicality comes into play when the routine is structured like an actual music track. Look at DLow vs B-Art 2019. He had musicality in his rounds, without much singing. Alem, especially in battles, doesn't really have musicality in his routines. He's just a very skilled, technical beatboxer. His routines aren't like full songs (or even demos), but rather a complex section of a song. Hope this helps clarify.

[@Tocinos]

@@SerialNightmare Nope. It's every single time. You hear musicality, they mean singing. All beatbox is music. Whether it's Den, JordoX, Pwad, Dudz, Show go, GTS, Codfish, Bigsquid, Bigman, MB14, Gene, Antilt, Stitch, Wawad, Dlow, Wing, the "musicality" beatboxers are no more musical than non-singers. Look up. "musicality beatbox" they're literally just using the word *musicality* in replacement for singing. You're gonna see 100% singers in the compilations. You won't see any Zer0, Remix, Vocodah, Dropical, Napom, Dilip in *musicality* compilations because they're non singing beatboxers who are indeed 100% music. Once again, *all beatbox is music* The thumbnail says *battle of musicality* It literally means battle of vocal ability. 100% of the BBU has consisted of music.

[@kin7433]

Beatbox is indeed music, but they divided it into 2 parts for convenience, the technicality and musicality. Musicality in this case is the quality of rhythm, melody or singing within/of the beatbox