Pro-Lies: Abortion Propaganda Professionals

The shady chuckleheads over at the “American Association of Pro-Life ObGyns” (aka AAPLOG, aka my nemeses, aka an absurd group opposed by 99% of obgyns) constantly attempt to change the meaning of the word “abortion.” This isn’t just a little quibble about semantics. It’s the first step towards changing laws to further restrict reproductive healthcare access in the United States. Let’s talk about it.
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[@flyingpastakitty]

I had to argue with someone recently that the only treatment for ectopic pregnancy is an abortion. I explained that the fetus has to be removed so the mom doesn't die along with it! She kept saying that it doesn't count as an abortion when MEDICALLY it is an abortion! I also pointed out that there are unfortunately child victims of SA (They are usually SA'ed by a family member or someone they know), that result in a pregnancy that requires an abortion so the victim is not at risk of dying or permanently damaging their body. A 9-year-old doesn't have a wide enough birth canal to safely deliver a baby. These poor young girls are at risk of dying due to pregnancy. One girl who was forced to carry the baby to term and give birth nearly dying in the process. She ended up needing a hysterectomy, and her baby didn't even survive! I had my first period when I was 9. I can not imagine getting pregnant and having to carry and give birth at that age. At that age, all I wanted to do was watch cartoons, draw, read manga, and play pokemon games on my nintendo ds. Yes, I'd had "the talk" and had a baby sister, but I couldn't fathom pregnancy or having a baby at that age. Also, from my understanding, a D&C (which can be done in the case of needing to remove a dead fetus but is usually used to remove debris from the uterus) still counts as an abortion. A miscarriage is sometimes referred to as a "spontaneous abortion." That's why I am so frustrated with the pro-life side. Like, banning abortions puts both mothers and babies in danger. Also, banning stuff doesn't work. People will continue to do abortions but in unsafe ways and illegally. Sorry to rant, but these politicians make me so mad! Their abortion bans have put women at risk, and these laws have also interfered with fertility treatments like IVF, abortion pills, as well as miscarriage aftercare. It is a scary time we are living in. Their ignorance is insane.

[@bmjesus08]

Yeah the etopic pregnancy should be removed from the term abortion because it's not. Abortion is ending a pregnancy , an etopic pregnancy to be removed is just saving the woman.

[@KreeZafi]

It's wild to me that they try to claim some abortions are not abortions. Like my dude, if you are terminating a pregnancy then that is by definition an abortion.

[@nikoletahanakova8573]

You are right, abortion restricting laws consider D & C for extracting a dead featus an abortion and doctors cannot perform it in places like Poland. There are people dying of sepsis because of this. I am afraid that how things are going in multiple countries at this point, D & C will be banned as a procedure completely. This would be terrible, because it is used in other situations as well, e. g. removing uterine polyps, etc.

[@cathleenc6943]

A D&C is not only done as an abortion, but can be used for that reason.

[@bmjesus08]

@@nikoletahanakova8573 don't believe everything u read .

[@TwinkleTwinkleTruly]

I was born at 28 weeks and weighed 580 grams. I needed round the clock medical attention, and once I had to be driven from one major hospital to another in a special ambulance, so my brain wouldn’t rattle against my skull. My mum went through surgery and spent 3 months living at the hospital to be with me. My dad worked during the week and visited every weekend. They spent 3 months (at least) being afraid for my life. 3 months of constant anxiety and stress. I can’t remember anything, obviously. And they CHOSE to go through that. I had been planned, and they were given a choice before my birth: I had around a 60 percent chance of surviving, but a 10-ish percent risk of being brain dead. My parents chose to have me. They chose to go through all that because they knew that the chance of me surviving and having a functioning brain was as high as it was! They chose me, and I’m eternally grateful for that, but if they had said that they couldn’t handle it, that they couldn’t handle me? I wouldn’t have known! I would’ve been none the wiser! They would have been living with possible guilt or doubts, but I wouldn’t have been able to know the difference. But if I had died or been brain dead, that would’ve been their pain to live with too. Not mine. I’m happy that I’m alive and that I have parents who love me beyond the unknown of the universe, but I also know that they had to go through hell for me to exist today. And the fact that they had the choice is what makes a difference to me. They chose my life, and they have me because of it, but they also have a daughter with several diagnoses and a chronic condition. They’ll never have a “normal” adult child. They have me, and they’re happy, but that’s because we live in a country that has some safety nets for people like me! They aren’t in debt because we have universal healthcare! And they have enough money to help support me if I was to ever need it! If any of those things had been different, I might be a much bigger burden than I already am! And that’s what pro-life people forget: there’s a big difference between knowing you were chosen and that they chose the risk of having the burden of you existing vs having no choice no matter what. My parents always tell me I’m not a burden, and even if they truly believe that, I know it’s not true. I am a burden. I’m a burden on the system and a burden to them, even if they don’t realise it or want to acknowledge it. But they chose to have me, and no, they didn’t know I’d have all these issues, but even so, they chose to have me. They didn’t know what they signed up for, but they still signed willingly. And that’s why I’m pro-choice. Having a child should always be a gift, never a punishment! And choosing to not go through with a pregnancy, for whatever reason, shouldn’t be punished. The fetus won’t know any better. But a baby who has a parent that doesn’t want them sure as hell can tell.

[@Lumenum]

Thank you for sharing your story. But I disagree with you one one thing, you are not a burden. You bring joy and compassion to this world, you are loved, you are valued. All of use need some form of help in our life, that does not make us a burden, and I am sorry you feel that way about yourself. Your parents chose you and care for you, and your existence in their life outweighs any challenges they face. Your comment brought me joy, and I am happy and grateful you are here.

[@TwinkleTwinkleTruly]

@@Lumenum thank you, I know they don’t think that either, it’s just how my silly brain works ❤️

[@andiward7068]

What you think of as being a burden is to them taking responsibility. They gladly put in the effort to care for you because you are worthy.

[@JustTheTruth-Please]

I am a mom and I ADORE my child, ADORE him. He is an adult but if he ever had an accident or a disease where he became my "burden" instead passing from those things, I would be on my knees grateful and accept the gift of still having him, even if it made me work harder and longer to keep him healthy and happy, whatever those things would mean at the time. You may be more work, you may need more from your parents and loved ones but please know that your parents see themselves as lucky and you as a gift in their life.

[@moretac]

I'm so glad to hear that you have survived and even thrived despite all those challenges. Do you believe that your parents have the right to kill you now?

[@susanfanning9480]

I'm a retired nurse. There are times when there are fetus that a ball of her and bone. Or no head and a mix of legs and arms. Or a deceased fetus. I tried to gently explain to people. And nope it's still killing a baby. Women used to die of these conditions. People are declining in intelligence.

[@waffles3629]

Yep, my mother thinks removing a clinically dead fetus is murder and should carry a lifetime prison sentence. You can't kill something that's dead.

[@karenneill9109]

MDJ said that when she went into college for health sciences she had not yet been taught about the human reproductive system as a biological system. I’m Canadian and I find this SHOCKING. My kids learned reproductive system at the same time they learned the cardiac system, digestive system etc.. In grade four. The fact that someone can graduate from high school (let alone someone going into pre-med!) without having this basic knowledge is mind-blowing.

[@nananinanana656]

People are becoming smarter. It's not the gen Z/millenials who are fighting abortion overwhelmingly, it's the middle aged & older.

[@triciaboo1204]

​@@karenneill9109🖐️ American here. We get taught an over view of our menstrual cycle in 4th grade. We don't get an over view of sexual reproduction until 7th or 8th grade where they showed us and had us draw the reproductive organs, it wasn't until my 10th grade year that the kid gloves came off and we did a whole damn quarter or sexual health, protection, pregnancy the complications and complexity of it etc. lucky for me i was a daughter to a teen mother (my sister is 13 whole yrs older than me) so momma never really played with not teaching us. Hell before we had even learned it in school she showed all of us kids what 3 babies did to her body(teeth gone, pouch, and how her uterus had to be removed due to a massive cyst and micro taring all over the uterus from all us kids, etc), she explained at least to me about abortions she had from an assault and one from simply not knowing for a while a partying too hard(her doc suggested termination bc at that point the damage from heavy partying would have taken a massive toll on a child if she carried to term). So i always got a good over view from a mother who didn't want me to have the same experiences she did. Hell she embarrassed the hell out of me a few times telling boys i was dating I'll put her on birth control if you cannot be safe 100% of the time 😂 cause she knew even with good communication teens are gonna be teens 😂

[@bpax7119]

To me that’s a complicated subject people should absolutely be educated about the biological realities of pregnancy. However, just like with any medical issue or treatment competent patients have the right to decline treatment based on moral or personal objections/feelings for themselves. The issue isn’t really with some people believing life begins when an egg picks a sperm or implantation happens. The issue is with believing they have the right to decide how everyone not just themselves should handle/view these topics.

[@boogiebear3095]

The amount of misinformation that you correct is bananas. I know it’s a sensitive topic but I am grateful that you take the time to explain it.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

It makes me wonder why youtube allows it (and profits from it) when my elderly parents who I cannot control, are being baited with this religious material. She voted her own rights away by electing those against reproductive healthcare because she didn't understand the propaganda was lies. I've had to pull her away from known propaganda platforms in secret and just pretend I don't know how to download aps. Really, all I can think is that not everyone has kids around to adjust their algorithm when we are old and fooled by propaganda. Who is going to do this for me? KZbin clearly won't.

[@jennott1703]

To quote Gwen Stefani, this (stuff) IS bananas. I am so thankful for Mama Doctor Jones telling it like it actually is!

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

@jennott1703 What do we do when our parents won't believe this doctor? What do we do when a doctor we trust believes misinformation? My mother in law thinks this doctor lies. If the misinformation reaches them, and they believe it, no amount of fact-checking matters. The propaganda needs to be removed for our safety. Most of us don't have insurance and if we do we are avoiding the deductible, and "youtube University" is the best education we can afford. To upload misinformation about human rights on social media platforms kills people. Yet youtube profits every single time someone lies here. We can't just be happy with a single source we can trust for now. These honest sources need to work together to make misinformation not profitable. It shouldn't be their job but I don't think we have a choice.

[@samanthawolters175]

Because we're not going to get any further by not learning about it. Especially now, when we're going backwards.

[@RobertoGonzalezproudmexicanAme]

This is a WOKE doctor!! She is the misinformation!!!

[@conniet9288]

I was 15 weeks when i started hemorrhaging. There was still a HB when i was rushed from ER to surgery. I was stable enough to know what was happening. The on call dr was amazing and told me even though there was a HB, he couldnt save us both so he had to save me. If these laws had been in effect, they would have had to wait for HB to stop or me be in an unstable situation.

[@freedomishavingachoice3020]

My mother had to give birth to a not viable fetus. She wanted to preserve her uterus for a viable fetus. She wanted to have more kids. I don't understand how that is a selfish choice to the prohate movement. The people seeking abortion usually do so, so they can have more children, not because they are avoiding responsibility. The people in these tragic situations (at no fault of their own) required an abortion to prevent irreparable harm. If we are truly free people, we should be allowed to prevent irreparable harm to our own body, especially if that harm prevents us from procreation in the future. I am so sorry if you ever felt any of the propaganda. I never once thought you were someone who needed this care for selfish reasons. You are a human being and deserve to live so that you may choose who to save with your body. I know people like Kristan Hawkins are never going to apologize to you. I hope I can do it for her because everyone of you with stories like this deserve an apology for liars being allowed to lie. Love y'all dearly.

[@moretac]

Unfortunately we do not currently have the technology to save a 15 week's gestation fetus. But we do have the ability to save a 25 week gestation baby sometimes. It is silly to pretend that the medical approach and legislative approach to those 2 situations cannot be different so as to prioritize the life of the mother AND the fetus when possible.

[@nikolefinger1747]

​@moretac I think once you get to 25 weeks or so, you're dealing with a wanted pregnancy that can't result in a healthy baby. Generally, if it's possible to deliver early and take care of the baby and mother, the medical team will.

[@kristacrowder6175]

I'm sorry you went through that. It must have been very traumatic for you. I hope you're doing well since.

[@Camazotz-kz9wr]

@@moretac you dont seem to understand that if the medical team CAN save both the mom and the baby, then they will lol. This is not a "got ya" moment you think it is.

[@srfrcf]

God America, you are supposed to be the land of the free! I was told if I had another pregnancy, I would have uterine tear and both of us would die. I had 4 children, it still tears me up that I aborted that baby. But I would never have been there to look after my children. I’m so incredibly grateful I’m in Australia and not America

[@emmawieson2121]

America sucks and it’s only getting worse. I’d leave if I could

[@elisenieuwe4649]

04:08 yes thank you. Peope often forget that bad pregnanties that might need abortion also happen to women who already have other children that will miss their mother if she dies. The abortion debate is often only about single moms and first time pregnancies.

[@wanjahe8749]

no woman needs to justify saving her life whether she has children or not.

[@elisenieuwe4649]

@@wanjahe8749 Of course not. I'm glad someone talks about the topic of women who already have children as well since they are also a part of this discussion, but somehow almost never mentioned.

[@madhatterline]

​​@@wanjahe8749They should not, and a women's life shouldn't be valued on how much others need her. Yet the children of women who need or want abortions are often forgotten in these debates, despite being an incredibly important factor to a person seeking an abortion. A previous child & their mother may have been just fine, then their mother gets forced to have another baby & it can bring or contribute to many ills. Poverty, less resources, resentment, less time with parents, illness or death of a parent, mental health problems, stress that damages relationships, relationship breakdowns, abandonment, a baby that keeps the family tied to abusive ex, the list goes on. Of course the most important person is the person pregnant. But it's interesting that anti abortion advocates seem so willing to forget all the living people forced birth effects negatively, particularly other children.

[@Kereru]

Yes, the probirth crowd frame it as if 99% of all abortions are performed on young, healthy, unmarried and well resourced women, who have no other responsibilities or family and children to care for. All other possibilities are treated as if they're rare exceptions.

[@signespencer6887]

Also even wanted pregnancies can go bad very quickly. I know. I had two miscarriages and the life saving treatment forgone of them would be illegal any many states today. And two of my daughters would have been motherless

[@SkuzzieMerkin]

I'm a woman with Marfan syndrome. Thanks for acknowledging me and risks to my health when some of my own doctors have even failed to do so. ❤

[@LadyQuotes]

I really hate how badly the education system has failed so many people

[@andieallison6792]

This has nothing to do with "The Education SystemTM".

[@vvitch-mist20]

My daughter crowned three times, and I ended up having internal and external tearing. Thankfully both her and I are okay, but an abortion is WAY WAY safer than having a baby. I would pitch the biggest fit to anyone who ever suggested abortion is worse for your body than having a baby.

[@TheEverFreeKing]

I think the claim would be that it's worse morally and should be prevented because it's violating the human rights of the unborn baby. This lady draws a false dichotomy saying because we want to limit it that we want people to die and that there aren't ways around it to ensure the life of the mother. It's not an abortion when you are trying to save the mother's life and the baby dies as a consequence, it's an unfortunate tragedy but it is not an abortion and she's a real snake for trying to push her ideology into the field of medicine.

[@LifeIsAHighwayIAmACarCrash]

​@@TheEverFreeKing Did you even watch the fucking video? If the woman's life is in danger, that doesn't mean it's suddenly not an abortion. It's the exact same procedure that would be done if it wasn't medically necessary. Are daft, or just deaf?

[@manniefresh3425]

A first term abortion is safer than giving birth, a late term abortion versus pregnancy not so much

[@vvitch-mist20]

@@manniefresh3425 Exactly, but people are convinced a fetus is a literal baby as if the person carrying the fetus doesn't matter.

[@shlockofgod]

It's not safer for the baby.

[@maxcrow890]

I'm an organ donor, not a uterus daycare. I don’t want or have the ability to carry children. Three miscarriages and many health problems have led me to seek out a partner incapable of reproducing with me. Because the legislation in my state becomes more agressive each month, that's the safest contraceptive.

[@MaineCoonMama18]

I'm a Christian. Because of my beliefs, I wouldn't have an elective abortion (i.e. one not for medical reasons). However, I think abortion should be legal at any stage and for any reason. I'm not okay with my personal religious beliefs restricting other people's access to medical care.

[@drewjay8940]

I respect this belief so much. I saw a comment from someone complaining about the term "anti choice" rather than "pro life" and this comment is the perfect example of the distinction.

[@MaineCoonMama18]

​@drewjay8940 Thank you! It definitely took me a while to figure out what I believe. That's an excellent point about pro-life vs. anti-choice. I generally identify as pro-choice due to my political beliefs, but it would be accurate to say I'm pro-choice (politically) and pro-life (personally).

[@megalodon6789]

This is beautiful!

[@lalita9041]

Same. I dont agree with any stage though rather 16 weeks (for selective and unlimited for health reasons). 4 months is enough to decide whether a woman wants to keep a baby or not. Most of countries in western Europe have abortions till 16 weeks and their numbers are less than in the USA. Ironically statistics disagree with what incels been saying that only selfish Western women do millions of abortions. We can see that relatively "traditional" countries like Russia, China, Azerbajian, Romania are on the top of the list.

[@davidstorrs]

Good for you! Thank you so much. I wish more Christians were like you.

[@watsername]

"Its a grey area", LITERALLY, pisses me off so much when forced birthers go, well when does it become an actual baby to you then?? It. Is. A. Grey. Area! There is no one minute of one day that the foetus becomes an actual baby, viability happens over weeks, even months, and varies from pregnancy to pregnancy, there is never a one size fits all for pregnancy, its complicated af and always needs to be a case by case basis with all options available so the most appropriate treatment can be given without having to jump through legal hoops created by uneducated strangers.

[@moretac]

Viability is absolutely a range of dates and it will get earlier and earlier as the technology improves. The real question is why in the world would that be the point at which people deserve protection?

[@jessicafoss7725]

I love that you called them "forced birthers" ❤.

[@lm6754]

Exactly. The point when something becomes a "baby" doesn't really matter. People shouldn't be forced to continue a pregnancy. Period. Do I believe it is best to have an abortion earlier in the pregnancy? Of course because it is safer for the pregnant person and the fetus wouldn't know any better. A late term abortion isn't ideal, but it's usually late because dangerous complications or conditions often won't even be detected until the fetus is more developed. @@moretac

[@moretac]

@@lm6754 Doesn't the fetus and the woman carrying the fetus both equally deserve not to be killed?

[@littlemissmel88]

​@@moretacyes, but if something happens where lives are in danger, mother comes first. Believe it or not, if the mother dies, so does the fetus. If there are defects where fetus won't survive, the parents should get the CHOICE of how to proceed. The only people deciding what happens to my uterus should be professionally trained medical staff and me.

[@hannahs_harp]

At this point I don't see how one could argue against this. allowing the choice of the pregnant person and the medical judgement of ***trained professionals*** is surely the most humane, sensible and reliable direction to take. Politics should not be a game of religion and belief, playing with people's lives, but that's exactly what it's become. People's lives are at risk - quit playing, stop being selfish, and have a little respect for people. If you're scared of the facts, it's your responsibility to work on that fear, not change the facts to suit you. this kills people. Spreading misinformation is one of the most cowardly things I can think of.

[@moretac]

Are not some of the people whose lives are at risk unborn people?

[@jessicafoss7725]

I couldn't have said it any better❤

[@k4nd1incyb3rsp4c3]

@@moretac no one is entitled to someone else's body. if I demanded to take a few years off your lifespan to extend my own, I couldn't make you.

[@jennyh4025]

I‘m in Germany, abortion is illegal here. But you can choose to get one (without repercussions) during the first trimester (after getting counseling) and later at any time if the doctor says it’s necessary. I wish it were not illegal, but I like the cut off timeline, because it’s combined with a „doctors are not allowed to tell the sex before ‚choice abortions‘ are punishable“ law. We do have this law to stop people from some cultures to abort pregnancies with females, because they are considered worth less than males. So all things considered, I think it’s a pretty good compromise (even though we do have way too few doctors actually performing abortions).

[@andrewhaywood3853]

Well said.

[@jammedtomb3650]

I nearly died from "normal vaginal delivery" becus the Dr got overzealous and yanked the umbilical cord too hard trying to get the placenta to come like 4 minutes after I delivered my son. He wanted me to be finished so he could do something else and ended up having to do hemorrhage mitigation for an extra 45 minutes. (my child's health plummeted during this time, so extra stress as he was rushed to the NICU while I was being REACHED up inside to remove clots)..... my understanding is this can happen even when the Dr is NOT impatient AF..... NO ONE should be FORCED to endure this... NO ONE should be told they have to risk their life and EVERY pregnancy is a risk to the host body's life. Thanks for giving real information and advocating for the birthing capable population.

[@MakitaRin]

I'm a linguist and it's incredible how these people use language to do a lot of dangerous things, and it's scary, because that means they will always find a way to oppress people who get pregnant, since language is a form of power and was always. I live in Brazil and people at the highest level of justice started a discussion about whether or not abortion should be decriminalized, but they said it was still too early, that is, for them, almost all of them without a uterus, it is more important to ignore this issue and continue letting people die in butcher shops (yes, butcher shops) than starting a step towards legalization. At least in the public health system there is a copper IUD, oral contraceptives are easily accessible (up to a certain point) and in the drug price reduction program, monthly contraceptive injections are half the price. But that's it, we're seeing a very disgusting setback for people who have a uterus.

[@jebediah4780]

You live in Brazil... how about instead of thinking about potentially murdering your future unborn Child, you think about how to make your country not one of the worst places on earth to live where criminals with guns and motorcycles run wild, and police officers start shooting them on sight in the middle of traffic. You literally live in a lawless wasteland with some of the worst standards of living in the world... and your biggest concern is abortion. I will tell you exactly why that is. You, and your country, have abandoned God and morality. You are literally on a sinking ship of a country, the water is past your ankles now, and the main concern on your mind is being able to have an abortion. You have been inflicted with confusion and insanity from your sins and desire for evil.

[@glaciemdraco]

Same here (also a linguist). Words have power and if people desperately believe one thing (e.g. 'a baby' when the mother has only been pregnant for like a month and may not be able to carry on with the pregnancy), it's hard if not impossible to change their minds. Unfortunately, it just leads to a lot of death, mourning... all things that could have been avoided.

[@thebaddriver6605]

I find it interesting when anti-choicers say that "they're glad they weren't Aborted" because personally if my mother's life was in danger, whether that be medically or socially/academically. I would want my mother to have had the life she wanted. And choose what she would have wanted to do. I'm not saying that those people are selfish but... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[@thatjillgirl]

It's also a weird argument because if you HAD been aborted, you would literally never know the difference.

[@theveganduolingobird7349]

If you never experienced life you wouldn’t miss it. A pine cone isn’t sad when it dies, people who talk about being glad they weren’t aborted are just trying to humanise things which can barely be considered as one

[@gr33n_g1rl4]

What would ACTUALLY be selfish is if your mother did abort you. Valuing the importance of her own life, and ignoring the importance of your life is inherently SELFISH. It’s not selfish for ‘anti-choicers’ to want to live a life, it’s selfish wanting to END it because it is inconvenient for the mother.

[@higurashikai09]

​@@gr33n_g1rl4 anti-choicers can live however they want. It is when they force their personal beliefs onto other people that's the problem. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one and mind your own business

[@lavenderandwine]

@@gr33n_g1rl4 Yeah I'm not dying for a fetus, dude, nor am I destroying my body for one. I don't care if that makes me selfish. I've worked damn hard to survive and pick my life back together after six years of domestic violence and rape, which did result in a single pregnancy that thankfully ended so we weren't both trapped with my abuser. You are perfectly welcome to belief it's selfish to abort, but you do not have any right whatsoever to dictate what another person does with their pregnancy nor do you have the right to harass, bully, or demean someone because they terminated their pregnancy. I value the life of the already living. A fetus doesn't know it exists because it cannot think nor feel. It is far kinder sometimes to terminate and I'm never going to judge someone for an abortion regardless of their reasoning even if I disagree with it. It's called human decency and kindness, two things you clearly lack but can learn.

[@Kriistall7]

I had 3 life-threatening post-partum hemmhorages... i ended my pregnancy when i got unexpectedly pregnant 10 months after my last baby. I dont want to die in childbirth and leave my little kids when i DONT HAVE TOO.

[@KytexEdits]

The sad thing is I really think these people believe what they're saying, but it's real funny how as soon as the kid pops out of the womb, all of a sudden they couldn't care less if it gets an education, or grows up in poverty, etc. Really "pro-life" I see. I guess those people who commit suicide as a result of child trauma sometimes largely caused by conditions that occur due to their policies don't count? Nah, guess not.

[@d_izzy]

Pre born you're okay pre school you're f****ed

[@user-mv5zt8qd9l]

It's not a coincidence that there's a colossal overlap between anti-choicers and religious nuts who actively preach that life is meant to be miserable and difficult.

[@dirtbagdeacon]

I know, right? They fought Roe for 50 years and had every opportunity to set up a better social safety net for all the extra children being born and they didn't. In fact, they worked hard to dismantle what social safety net we had! So I don't believe them when they say they're pro-child, pro-woman, or pro-family.

[@KytexEdits]

@@dirtbagdeacon I have a friend who's conservative economically, and cares mostly about himself. I'm fine with having discussions with him, but I genuinely hate people like the ones we're talking about who say something like this, try to sugar coat it and shove it down my throat and tell me it tastes good (is virtuous) and then also try to enact other policies in direct contradiction to what they claim to stand for. I just want people to say what they want honestly, even if it makes them look bad.

[@moretac]

Saying someone shouldn't be killed doesn't inherently mean that you have to find a way for the government to Take Care of the rest of their Needs for the rest of their Life.

[@emoonae]

My biggest issue with pro-life propaganda regarding “late term” abortions is related to their attempts to redefine a clinical and legal term. To pro-lifers, any abortion that happens after 20 weeks is only performed via one procedure: partial-birth abortion. And when they tell you that, they give you cartoon-like visuals detailing the procedure, which is barbaric, but more importantly, IT’S ILLEGAL! No one is performing abortions this way-I read that there _was_ a doctor in Pennsylvania who was, but he is now in prison, and if they knew that, I honestly believe they would stop opposing “late term” abortions.

[@thatjillgirl]

Yes, late term abortions are pretty much euthanasia. They give the fetus a lethal injection to stop its heart, then later they induce labor to deliver it. And it's almost always done for babies who will not survive. It's a way to end their suffering. It's sad, but it's no more cruel than having a pet put down when its health is failing.

[@murphychurch8251]

My guess is that many of them know that and still use this lie for their means.

[@Battle_Hippos11]

Hi. TXn here. I went to a free clinic for a blood test. Oh no prego. Misscarried 8 weeks later. Er visit bills bills bills. Blighted ovum misscarrage. Then fast forward row v wade is gone i get a call from the 'clinic asking about the baby.' The what... oh... no yeah that dudnt happen.... how then they said yeah we know blighted ovum abortion... I said wrong number and hung up. Tx is a dystopia.

[@dirtbagdeacon]

YIKES

[@anaalicialeonso7199]

Omg that's terrifying, sorry that happened to you.

[@KK-tw8hb]

Wait the clinic can just call you randomly to ask about pregnancy? What the fuck, its as if you were under surveillance all the time.

[@Battle_Hippos11]

@@KK-tw8hb yup. Have you heard about the check points at the boarders they are trying to set up in TX to make sure pregnant ppl aren't leaving the state for a abortion? Under his eye y'all.

[@Nursing1988]

Please do a video on these folks in office and just people in general that are saying ectopic pregnancy can be removed and replanted in the womb. Then there's those same idiots saying that woman are having abortions at birth. I know it sounds nuts but people believe this is occuring including some that are supposed to be represeatives. I know there's others but those are the ones I hear repeatedly. Ty for this video and others from a retired psychiatric and hospice nurse.

[@thisrandomperson1843]

Huh, that representatives bit reminds me of a certain nut job from the South who has this line of logic(I totally wonder who it is).

[@waffles3629]

Yep. There are so many people who believe that people can just change their mind about wanting a baby at 9 months and get an abortion. Like that literally won't happen, you'd just be induced and give birth.

[@mxm7647]

Wow. I'm speechless. Believing a woman can abort at birth is a new level of stupidity.

[@SaheeliRai]

I really hope educated people are not that dumb.

[@waffles3629]

@@SaheeliRai somewhere in the US tried to make it a law to "reimplant" an ectopic pregnancy, and ignored literal doctors telling them that's not possible. So yes, people are that dumb.

[@sly7726]

In Poland, some hospitals have begun to use the possibility of mental health risks as part of "life or health endangerment" case to allow abortion for people that normally couldn't have it under current law. Fortunatelly, it took a while for law makers to catch to it. And, unfortunatelly, Ordo Iuris is trying to close this loophole.

[@DayDreamingWriters]

As Another Polish Person I remember the lawsuit between one dude on KZbin(Karol Modzelewski) and Ordo Luris over the way how Ordo Luris is terrorizng children(Via trying deleting Kids Phone of Trust) and women(The whole abortion law change and victim blaming). And because jury said Karol was right in that case, Karol made segment in his news video called "Patrzcie, Jak w Ordo Luris"( "Guys Look, like in Ordo Luris) where he calls out Ordo Luris and companies similar to Ordo Luris. And I agree with Karol about that and I agree with hatred towards these hypocrities as Ordo Luris. Last mesage: Fuck Ordo Luris, Fuck Kaja Godek(She is in partnership with Ordo Luris) and fuck our govermnent right now, I just hope the whole sytuation in Poland will be improved soon or later

[@zr9990]

I don’t think this video was for me. I don’t need convincing that women’s health and bodily autonomy should not be in the hands of unknown lawmakers and religious conservatives. But I still watch to make that view count go up; and this valuable information can be spread farther! That’s also why I’m commenting

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

I'm with you. Comment on your comment for the algorithm. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@futhark3]

I personally only know people who have had abortions for medical reasons in wanted pregnancies. I'm from a country with easy access to affordable contraception and fairly good sex education so elective abortions for non-medical reasons are going to be less common. It's what these anti-choice people say they want but they obviously don't in reality. It's so sad when the solution actually exists.

[@mischarowe]

Where are you from?

[@Hollyucinogen]

​​​@@mischaroweSweden, according to her profile. It's the same in my country (Canada). Abortions are less common here because a) we have universal health-care, which gives people easy access to the contraceptives that help prevent pregnancy in the first place; and b) we have comprehensive sex ed starting in middle school. Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but this seems more like it's about control to me than "saving babies". Same vibe as all of these lockdowns.

[@MyThoughtsImJustSaying]

@@Hollyucinogendo you think America doesn’t have sex ed in middle schools?? Because we do

[@Hollyucinogen]

@@MyThoughtsImJustSaying Um... ...congratulations? COMPREHENSIVE sex ed, I said. I saw an American woman on Reddit once express surprise that she got pregnant because her BOYFRIEND was taking birth control.

[@crystlelakefarm1254]

​@MyThoughtsImJustSaying It's not very good though, especially in red states

[@winniewoodland9261]

Infant and maternal deaths were just reported to be at a 20 year high! Also the number of elective abortions as of March 2023 has radically increased compared to before roe v wade being overturned. Is it because the 6 week ban is causing women making a hasty decision in order to get it done about 2 weeks after discovering they are pregnant? Would having time to process the pregnancy make them make a different decision? Being confronted with a surprise pregnancy is one of life’s biggest challenges, giving a couple time to process this is extremely important!

[@anaalicialeonso7199]

It was not a radical increase and what happened was a shift in where the abortions occurred as well as increased telehealth access for abortions and grassroots donations for people to be able to get abortions. So those who previously would not have been able to or afford to get it done have been able to do so. But from the data i saw, it was not a "radical" increase as you say. It just shows the power of people to help each other, nothing to do with "more time to think about the decision."

[@higurashikai09]

This is actually a good point. Fear could lead to more hasty decisions if one is not sure if she wants the pregnancy or not especially since some places even want to ban the Morning After Pill which isn't even an abortion pill.

[@myliza700]

Yeah I was warned at the age of 10 that birth would likely kill me. Since then I have obtained MORE risk- brain damage- than I already had. For context I have 2 auto immune disorders that are genetic. 1 is GUARANTEED to be passed by the mother the other I have bt the father has to be a carrier to pass. But there’s no way to test for a carrier. I made the decision to not let someone else have the childhood- or lack thereof- I had. Despite my high risk my doctors still asked me to consider. Knowing I have a detrimental health history. I knew in less than a week… because my body was rejecting it so much. That I just knew. Because I was rejecting it as if it were a parasite. I knew that my doctors had been right and I didn’t want someone to deal with what I had. People will never understand. I was pro choice before and I still am now. People act as if it’s just a easy decision. It is PAINFUL both physically and emotionally.

[@SaheeliRai]

Are they allowing you to get sterilisation?

[@DayDreamingWriters]

@@SaheeliRai Probably not

[@higurashikai09]

​@@SaheeliRai It is very difficult to convince a doctor to sterilize any woman before, like, 35. For some reason, many believe that we are all to young to make such a decision even if pregnancy would kill us. It's absolutely bizzare and makes no sense yet that is how things are for some reason.

[@kjkj4725]

After 4 women died of sepsis in Polish hospitals as a result of extreme abortion ban… We managed to change the government with record high turnover (74%)! Unfortunately previous conservative gov made sure that even after losing majority they have their people in other institutions to block changes so it’s going to take a lot of time before abortion ban will be officially gone - luckily current opposition will try to push complete decriminalisation of abortion… This would result in “dead law” where abortion is in theory illegal yet not punishable… If I can say anything to people in US: - once your rights are taken away, it’s really difficult to fix it… it turns into one big legal mess. - GO AND VOTE, if you won’t - old conservatives will choose for you… Because THEY WILL GO. There is no other way in democracy. Considering raising age of politicians as well as demographic collapse - unfortunately it’s going to be only harder and harder to keep women’s human rights…

[@kimmoss-allen5036]

Thank you for more info on this fascinating and important topic. Yes, ive heard people argue that: "its not an abortion because it was medically necessary." What ?!? You don't get to change the facts because of your feelings or because you don't like it. Good grief.

[@kcjo737]

Tried several times to write this, kept getting wordy and made less sense. The ONLY PEOPLE who should be involved in healthcare decisions are the patients and their doctors. Full stop. Family? If the patient wants that or they are POA. Politicians? Hell no! Hospitals? No. Insurance companies? No. Church? No. If a patient wishes to take direction from any of these influences, that is their right. However, outside influences should never be allowed to dictate on any scale the treatment people receive.

[@littlemissmel88]

So glad this wasn't in effect when I went to ER thinking I had a kidney infection. Turns out my pregnancy was ectopic and my tube ruptured. I drove myself and looked and felt fine. Of course I was rushed to surgery, but I can't imagine how long they would have to wait or how bad it would have to be for them to save me. Would I have a giant scar instead of 4 small ones? Would my son still have a mom? Thank you Dr. Jones for spreading the truth and showing how ridiculous these people can be.

[@popcornanytime7414]

Can’t tell you how many times that I have tried to explain to someone that an electrical impulse across a membrane is not a heartbeat. If the heart isn’t there yet, it isn’t beating.

[@ilan9588]

The heart starts beating after 6 weeks... Abortion limit is well beyond that in most states and countries...

[@PeterAlyesbury]

Even if it's not a heartbeat, it is still a sign of life, and taking the life of a person is unethical

[@popcornanytime7414]

@@PeterAlyesbury in your opinion anyway

[@MoreLikeMerMad]

I heard the other day that in the US, "pregnant person" is statistically more deadly than being a cop on duty. So.

[@methanial73]

I just saw this huge sign "save the babies". Fetal heartbeat at 18 days. They're lying again and the irony is that it's against their beliefs 🙄. Liars are people I hate.

[@juliennetully4814]

When is the fetal heartbeat then?

[@methanial73]

@@juliennetully4814 roughly 16-18 weeks and I should note that it can vary for a variety of reasons.

[@lydiazimmerman4328]

@@methanial73 I'm genuinely confused, how can you hear the heartbeat at 12 weeks if it doesn't start beating until 16 - 18 weeks?

[@methanial73]

@@lydiazimmerman4328 because they're lying about it.

[@tanya5322]

@@methanial73um… then why did I hear the fetal heartbeat of my older children at 12 and 10 weeks ? «At the end of the 4th week of gestation, the heartbeats of the embryo begin. The heart, whose development starts at the 3rd week of gestation, has rapid and irregular contractions capable of pumping the blood inside the vessels.» www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279166/ While I do identify myself as being pro-life (which for me, includes being against the use of the death penalty) … I am also frustrated that too many pro life organizations take advantage of the fact that conception (generally) happens about 14 days after the first day of the last period (in people with reasonably regular cycles)… the medical definition of “the first day of pregnancy” Meanwhile, a few years back when some state apparently passed legislation to “officially/legally” define the start of pregnancy (in that state) as being the first day of the last period…. I found myself explaining to a very staunchly pro choice college friend and her (male) friend (both childless) that *yes* the medical profession actually *does* define pregnancy as 40 weeks starting with the first day of the last pregnancy. Note: as much as I look forward to a day when elective abortions are rare to nonexistent… I know that simply making it illegal will not make that happen. So many things in our current culture need to be addressed to her at the root causes as to why people seek abortion. Current attempts at banning abortions do nothing to address those issues.

[@KellyDVance]

I keep reminding people in other states (I'm in Texas) that they need to vote for representatives that will protect access to abortion even if their state is liberal and they think their access is safe. They need to vote like their lives are on the line, because in to few of years, my daughter's will be. And when I said this the last time someone told me that my daughter just needs to learn to keep her legs together. 1) My daughter is 7. 2) As MDJ said, all pregnancy has a heightened risk.

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

It really ridiculous that folks say the person with the uterus should keep their legs closed...but not " we need to raise sperm shooters to keep their zippers up". Just my 2 cents. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@juliennetully4814]

Person with uterus? Such degrading language towards biological women!

[@rachelmarkham6286]

I literally screamed when Abbott won the election and was cranky for a couple of days after.

[@KellyDVance]

@@juliennetully4814 how is it degrading? Unless you think that having a uterus makes one lesser so shouldn't be mentioned. And woman is a gendered term, which has yo do with social constructs. Female is biological. Please get your terminology correct.

[@madhatterline]

Yeah women in happy faithful marriages can end up with dangerous pregnancies. The person speaking to you was living in lala land.

[@KristineWahl-ft9qj]

"Medically necessary" is not in anyway meaningful without stating what outcome is wanted. An abortion is medically necessary if someone is pregnant and doesn't want to remain so - regardless of the reason they do not want to remain pregnant. I don't think I've ever encountered more mental gymnastics when discussing anything than Anti choicers come up with.

[@manniefresh3425]

The only one doing medical gymnastics is you. The difference between elective and medically necessary abortions is pretty black and white. Elective defines an abortion done on a healthy pregnancy that is likely to conclude with a health birth. A medically necessary abortion is based on the position the the pregnancy is not healthy and will likely result in the harm of the mother. You are trying to change definitions the same way you accuse the anti-abortion side of doing. No matter what you think an elective abortion is by definition not medically necessary

[@kikipocalypse]

Forced Birthers are horrific 😢

[@justagirl...]

So are baby killers.... When you strawman instead of trying to understand where someone is coming from you take out all nuance and lose an opportunity to have a productive conversation and analyze things from different points of view.

[@sandrols7]

@@justagirl... You are EXACTLY strawmanning yourself in your comment! These aren't babies, they're embryos, and the pro-choice stance has NEVER been about "bAbY kiLLiNg". Instead, you yourself take out all of the nuance, seriously, what on earth is wrong with you??

[@amandadangerfieldpiano]

@@sandrols7There is not a stage of human development when a human is not a human.

[@celestejacobs7386]

​@@justagirl... Yeah, that's why killing BABIES is illegal everywhere. Killing babies has nothing to do with this video, so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.

[@shlockofgod]

As horrific as child killers?

[@michaelmay5453]

To my American friends I say VOTE, vote as if your life depends on it because it literally just might.

[@coralgarlotta1064]

We shouldnt be going back in time where woman are barefoot cooking amd pregnant Not every situation is the same I feel for the woman who have to travel to another state to stay alive and i hope with all ur followers they will understand that sometimes abortion is necessary

[@angryotter9129]

It’s disgusting what these forced birth people say and do. I went to a Planned Parenthood and there were people outside using a bullhorn to shout false statistics at everyone who went into the clinic, basically saying that everyone who has an abortion regrets it, becomes severely depressed, and unalives. It’s like they’re pretending to care about people who have abortions (“we don’t want you to die”) but they’re really just tormenting them by shouting at them and being hateful toward people who are already having a rough day or even rough weeks and months.

[@christinepoppy3277]

There’s always at least one person on the street outside the one that I go to shouting things. Fortunately the entrance is far away and they can’t be in the private parking lot. I’m not even going there for abortions, I’m going there for Pap smears and they shout at me. All they’re doing is just harassing people going to their doctor’s appointment, whether they’re discussing abortion or not. I’d like to see how they handle people shouting at them as they’re going to their doctor to be treated for an ear infection or something.

[@jessicafoss7725]

What my doctor and I discuss what is best for me medically, should stay between me and my doctor. The government and whoever else can mind their damn business.

[@flashrobbie]

Kia ora. Every time I hear of the nightmare dystopian things that are happening in the US I'm reminded that we have to stay vigilant elsewhere. These guys might not currently have the sway but they are still everywhere.

[@taylortimbrook2030]

How do we help to fix this? Do we just wait for millions of pregnant ppl to die and say heres the data from the last 10 years... and hope it works?

[@cassr7826]

I sure hope not. I’m already seeing the consequences of these bans, yet they’re ignoring it.

[@waffles3629]

​@@cassr7826 they're not only ignoring it but denying it. You can show them the stats and they just go "nuh uh, banning abortion saves lives and pregnancy is safe, zero people have died from abortion bans".

[@taylortimbrook2030]

@@cassr7826 is there anything we can do about it? ..... like at all?

[@Nice_Tree]

We already have a tons of data. For example, we have a really old data from Soviet Union, which shows all the problems with the abortion ban. Abortions were forbidden from 30's to 50's and then were allowed again. Well, we all know, why. Dangerous underground abortions, high maternal mortality, etc. Many people didn't use condoms, many people were uneducated in this topic. And despite the fight against religion, majority of soviet citizens were Christians and Muslims, which shows that religion doesn't stop anybody from having sex and unwanted children. Of course, now we have newer and better data from another countries and another times, but my point is we know about the danger of the ban for a really long time. And that doesn't really helps change anything, the question is too political

[@taylortimbrook2030]

@Nice_Tree if we fail to remember history, it will unfortunately be repeated.... my question is how tf do they forget history in the age of information 😐 😒

[@rayschoch5882]

I might be way off base here (an elderly white male who'll never have to personally deal with this medical condition), but I continue to wonder - since MDJ is talking about language use around this issue - why more of the debate is not focused on forced/mandated birth rather than the term "abortion." If opponents can (and do) manipulate the language to suit their particular biases, why don't advocates of choice do the same thing? Pregnancy is dangerous. Women die in childbirth every day. A law that forces a female to go through pregnancy and childbirth is not just legalized torture, it's potentially a death sentence. What part of the Constitution protects this? What part of the Bible, the Q'uran, or any other major religion's "holy book" endorses death by childbirth?

[@MyThoughtsImJustSaying]

You don’t want an abortion? Don’t have sex with someone you don’t want children with

[@Ilovecrystals922]

@@MyThoughtsImJustSayingYou are aware that rape and incest exists right? Plus men being fucking stupid and selfish and not wanting to wear a condom?

[@theokooistra5856]

Afaik, the tora/jewish doctrine mandates that the life of the mother is more important than the life of the unborn child. So if a pregnancy is highly dangerous to her, she is allowed or even required to get an abortion. So yeah

[@maggie6152]

There has been more of a switch to "forced birth/forced birthers" in the past few years.

[@rayschoch5882]

@@maggie6152 That may be true, and I hope it is, but it's not showing up in the mainstream media in my Midwestern state.

[@ERYN__]

Would like to hear MDJ talk about the Ohio ballot measures regarding OB-GYN. I don't live in Ohio, and I'm only aware of it because my grossly pro-life cousin posted about it. They have also reposted Transformed Wife, so I don't agree with them about several things, but I still like to see the next generation of cousins in photos.

[@MamaDoctorJones]

We did discuss this on stream recently and it will be up on the channel in a few days.

[@dirtbagdeacon]

Transformed Wife is a truly evil person. Absolutely full of malice.

[@AgFalcon84]

Commenting to boost the algorithm. Thank you, Dr. Jones, for your tireless work day in and day out.

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Comment on your comment for the algorithm Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@AgFalcon84]

Positive vibes from Connecticut, and same to you! @@tammystockley-loughlin7680

[@blufaerie]

I so appreciate your work. The attempts at changing language around this issue are never ending, but we keep fighting back.

[@jenchan4817]

My miscarriages were all officially called “spontaneous abortions” in medical settings.

[@elizabethramsey9295]

Isn’t the medical term for a miscarriage is spontaneous abortion? I’m so grateful I was able to become pregnant and didn’t have to terminate my pregnancies.

[@azplanner4546]

Yes and a miscarriage is given a dx code under abortion.

[@ChocolatexCherries3]

spontaneous abortion is still an abortion.

[@mumofmany1498]

​@ChocolatexCherries3 No spontaneous abortion is the medical term for a miscarriage. I have had 2 and have been very upset that this is even the definition when nothing has been done to end the pregnancy by medicine. I get why calling it an abortion in medical terms might be useful for medical practitioners, however I believe it is very insulting to many women who have suffered from it. I'm pro choice (doubt any pro lifers watch MDJ) and fully support someone who chooses an abortion for themselves, or if it is medically needed to save their life. However I don't think it's fair a loss should be counted the same. A stillbirth isn't considered an abortion, so why should a miscarriage loss be?!

[@ChocolatexCherries3]

@@mumofmany1498 you asked about the medical definition of abortion. abortion is the premature death of a fetus, defined medically. medically, there are subsets of abortions either spontaneous or induced. medically, a miscarriage is still an abortion. i answered your question. society does consider miscarriage different from induced abortions but when we talk about abortion propaganda, we have to talk about how these laws are used to jail black women for having miscarriages because of the medical definition of abortion. making it about your personal feelings to how the medical community defines abortion is unnecessary in that discussion.

[@mumofmany1498]

@@ChocolatexCherries3 I didn't ask any question about medical terminology at all. I literally stated I understand how it may be beneficial to the medical field but not helpful to anyone who has suffered one at all. I was merely expressing how hurtful the terminology is to me, and many other people I have spoken to who have also had a miscarriage. It feels dismissive and as if since you aren't able to see or hold you loss as if it counts any less than a stillbirth, any it doesn't. Although to add to that a medically necessary abortion that is of a very much wanted baby, would also feel just as soul crushing I'm sure

[@jennyh4025]

I‘m a little over five minutes in and I can’t listen to the misinformation you are correcting any longer. It’s exhausting to listen to, when you love human rights and science, but had a long day. I’m just commenting for the algorithm. 😉

[@orna_has_calcium]

I’m so glad you do these videos doctor jones:) We need people like you to keep these issues talked about and not forgotten ❤

[@gs4945]

Thanks, I appreciate having facts and real world outcomes of the effects of these bad(imo) laws. From what I can see it gives worse outcomes to all pregnant people. Thanks for keeping us informed. I also love that this comes from a loving mother of 4(who obviously loves babies). You are the second American doctor I know that has been enjoying doctoring in New Zealand.

[@coralgarlotta1064]

I live in florida so u can imagine the issue with abortion law at hand but at the end of the day ppl will do what they have to do to end a pregnancy and I'd rather it be sage then take measures into their own hands

[@coralgarlotta1064]

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[@coralgarlotta1064]

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[@coralgarlotta1064]

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[@Romanticoutlaw]

"pro-life obygn" should be an oxymoron, except in terms of being for the health and wellfare of all living, complete human beings

[@JoanieBC]

Grrrr! I dislike these groups and the way they lie.

[@LynnEsq]

Dr, I was so glad to hear you mention marfans. Could you discuss some other medical scenarios like this - and how/ why the exceptions in abortion laws are not sufficient? Here's my situation I (42F) have Vascular Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. I've been disabled from chronic health issues for 10 yrs. I had a uterine rupture & 2 previous c-sections. I've been trying to explain to PL people that - if I get pregnant again despite my tubal - my life wouldn't be in immediate danger in the beginning of pregnancy. I would, however, be at very high risk of complications & uterine rupture. And why should anyone but me decide What % of risk to my life "justfies" an abortion? Bc under these laws it's not even my dr who would decide - it's hospital board and attorneys making the decision, based on laws written by non-drs, as interpreted by lawyers. I'm also on many necessary medications that aren't safe for a fetus. Plus severe chronic malnutrition & vomiting requiring long hospital stays & PICC line for TPN (nutrition straight into my blood stream). I had to have the PICC removed bc I got sepsis 3x in 5 months from it. (The bandage over it kept falling off due to skin issues). My other concern is that women in my situation who become pregnant in a state like Texas will be prosecuted under child endangerment laws or inducing a miscarriage by continuing meds that could harm or kill a fetus, or result in withdrawal symptoms. There are already women who are being charged with child endangerment or jailed for taking drugs while pregnant

[@hockeyfreek33]

Thank you for speaking on topics like this.

[@arcticxabyss]

it's always nice to see you correcting all of the misinformation that's been spread!!

[@lrokrasz]

Yes yes yes. ❤ Thank you for continuing to be an advocate for a person's bodily autonomy!

[@daysleeper7209]

One of the best statements I have heard regarding abortion was by Doc Schmidt (I'm pretty sure) in a video about it: "Pregnancy is not health-neutral." I thought that summed up a lot of the arguments about it.

[@leggyegg2890]

Is there much research on suicide risk after being denied an abortion ? Where I live (Western Australia) abortions are legal for any reason up until 20 weeks, but after that it’s much more restricted, I think you need 2 doctors to sign off that it’s a risk to your life. I know ‘risk to the mothers life’ is a factor in most abortion laws worldwide as well. In my opinion an unwanted pregnancy is ALWAYS a risk to somebody’s life. I know without a shadow of a doubt if I was denied an abortion I’d end my life and I think the same goes for a lot of people. I don’t understand how denying someone an abortion is ever NOT risking their life and health. Nobody is going to fight to terminate at 21 weeks, be denied, then go about life as normal and be completely fine. It just can’t happen. In these situations, do you think that suicide risk would qualify as a significant risk to the mothers life? Are there stats on how often this is used as a valid reason?

[@dyerseve3001]

Issue 1 in Ohio wording was changed on the ballot to say "unborn child" rather than "fetus" along with other changes to skew the understanding of the amendment. Its apalling that the party in power can "interpret" the wording on the ballot. Versus the original text less than 20 words were saved, and the printed ballot was 2 pages aad tons of whitespace near Issue 1 anyway.

[@amandawoodward4099]

I love seeing you cover the abortion topic. MDJ, i used to think about being a mom but since these laws and pushes to ban abortion, i am scared to get pregnant and dont want to. I worry that i will not be valued and provided healthcare to protect myself and maintain my good health. I worry that doctors (due to these laws) will disregard my health and life in order to "protect" the fetus inside me. I already see many stories of women being denied healthcare, denied medication, and even contraception. At what point does it turn from trying to "save the babies" to forcing women to get pregnant. Pregnancy shpuld be wanted. It shouldnt be someones worst fear.

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Agreed. These laws are putting a lot of folks at risk. Hopefully, we can fix this...talk to your friends and peers. I'm sure some feel the same. Carpool and xote blue. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@juliee593]

Forcing women to get pregnant was the point in the first place, it was never about saving babies.

[@manniefresh3425]

Maybe you should get off the internet and go talk to some actual healthcare workers in real life lol you are paranoid

[@manniefresh3425]

@@juliee593who’s forcing women to get pregnant?

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

@@manniefresh3425 forcing women to stay pregnant if unwanted is the same thing.

[@junerussell6972]

I've heard women go off the rails angry at their doctor because they noticed that their medical record recorded them as a Gravida 2 Para 1 Aborta 1 when they had had a miscarriage. "I didn't have an abortion. I lost the baby!" Yes, they lost the baby but that (at least when I was in training) was still called an abortion. Anti-abortionists have made medical care difficult in ways that can include how our language is used.

[@brittanyt729]

I appreciate you mentioning marfans syndrome. Individuals can be unaware of the consequences of a dilated root. So it fails to sound life threatening, or that it will have a lasting effect on the individual who is pregnant.

[@kristibunny1620]

Havent checked all the states but so happy to see that Ohio voted to continue to allow women to make their own medical decisions per the state constitution this year.

[@anaalicialeonso7199]

The anti movement will continue trying to reverse this, please continue to vote and encourage others to do so!

[@loner1878]

republikkkans are trying to overrule th votes.

[@AJ-hm5qe]

I have a friend with cystic kidneys. She would die if she had to carry a baby. Would it not be medically necessary to abort that child before her kidneys fail and she dies? Prevention is as medically necessary as intervention

[@JayeEllis]

Pregnancy and birth are ALWAYS a risk to the bearer - The question is how much risk is considered torture?

[@cuttingedgeinnovationstati5208]

Thank you for explaining to the masses these examples of abortion. I don't think the average person understands what is truly at stake and might even find themselves in a situation similar, and yet fall victim of the the propaganda that has been plaguing our political systems.

[@jacquelynsmith2351]

I have multiple injuries and medications that would make it very dangerous for me to get pregnant. My spinal specialist made it very clear that I would very likely never have kids if I went through my last procedure. Would I survive? Who knows. Might get paralyzed or something. I'd already decided I'm already in enough pain regularly that I never want to go through pregnancy. So if my IUD ever fails, I'd probably have to get an abortion in another state, and adoption in my state is prohibitably expensive, so no kids for us!

[@LeafHuntress]

Well, children are prohibitively expensive, so not having them is the cheapest choice. ;-) Seriously though, should you really wish to _care_ for children, it might be an idea to look towards fostering? There's always a shortage of good foster parents. It's not "your own kids", nor should it been seen as such, but it might be a rewarding experience should you wish to do it.

[@jacquelynsmith2351]

@@LeafHuntress we've really thought about it, but our state has this thing about non-religious, non-married couples and doesn't recognize common-law relationships. Maybe if we ever get married, but we're still not religious, so we can't foster here (it's not legal, but the social workers have preferences)

[@manniefresh3425]

Why not just get a tubal ligation if your life depends on you not getting pregnant and clearly you are okay with sex that can result in a pregnancy?

[@jacquelynsmith2351]

@@manniefresh3425 that's also expensive

[@coralgarlotta1064]

Thank you for being a great doctor and going thru ur channel to explain the medical issues. I respect all people's opinions however I believe in pro abortion when it comes to certain reasons. Honestly it's Noone business because the ppl who get abortions for whatever reasoning, that's their body and that's their decision not a Republicans choice. I feel bad for the women who get raped or have a an ectopic pregnancy why have a child if u can't have the mother to take care of them. Too many kids already who have to go into the system it's not fair and it's not their fault.

[@liquidoxygenbar7671]

They arent pro-life, they're anti-choice. And love theocracy...

[@lexiegee5331]

The way the MDJ speaks in this video, you can tell she is so angry and fired up but trying to speak calmly. I can feel the emotion and I appreciate that she feels so strongly about this topic and wants to educate people because the worst thing is to hold a view point when you haven't done your research.

[@beetlebob4675]

Commenting to boost the algorithm. Dear forcedbirther trolls, this is actually the equivalent to your hate comments ❤ your words mean nothing. KZbin considers it engagement and you've supported the channel .

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Comment on your comment for the algorithm. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.

[@samgeorge1452]

The point is that there's *not* a clear line for when abortion is "okay" or not when we want to restrict it. If you think abortion should be allowed in cases of rape, how do you prove that? A very high number of rapes go unreported or aren't reported until weeks or months later. Should a rape victim who's too afraid to tell someone be forced to give birth? Can't someone just lie and say they were raped? Where's the line for when the mother's health is at risk? When the pregnancy is high-risk? When she's actively coding?

[@MamaDoctorJones]

Yep I think I said all those things. Too bad the only people listening are the people who agree already

[@colleenkochman9656]

Putting aside the ethics of why an unborn human is of greater worth than an adult female, therefore, the female loses choice of use of her body to a social dictate and becomes a temporary slave, what about the long term effects on the fetus as it's life progresses? Is allowing life to each infant, assessed on an individual basis, in THAT infants best long-term interest? I know of some wonderful, kind, loving, generous people who, knowing their child will be born with significant physical impediments to achieving average options of choice and self-determination to choose life for that tiny being. They have proceeded to take on the extra tasks of supporting the child with their whole beings and I admire the outpouring of love they give their children every day. What happens to the child when life comes at the parents and whatever trauma occurs, the parent(s) lose the ability to maintain that necessary level of effort and the child is fully or partially abandoned? Even for the non-verbal, non-mobile individuals, their environment WILL become less loving, less supporting, less sheltering and whether they can emote for others to know, THEY can feel the loss. I wonder if "locked in syndrome" as been assessed in non-verbal disabled people. What happens to children who are verbal and mobile and still require support and assistance for survival.....then, 30 years (to pick a number) later, their world is "atomic bombed" by the death of the parent and they have lost their world. What will be there for them or will they have an unloving, impersonal environment for what is left of their life? Not even money can guarantee a warm and gentle environment for the forever children. For children in the "care" system , how much control do they have over who and where they are placed? That system seems overwhelmed and position children so as to get the paperwork completed. By and large, do the adults who have grown up in "care" have happy memories of that time in their life? Is "happy, healthy children growing to adulthood in a positive emotionally and physically nourishing environment" a met goal of the social work department? What percentage of those people who are in jail and/or homeless or on welfare were in the "care"system, a question asked not to judge or excuse behaviors but to understand a potential source of these issues. Before condemning abortion, one might give a minute or two of thought to the long term results on the child. Life is a battle and Coup de Grace can still be relevant.

[@D4NN1B4L]

This is why we live you MDJ it's so important. Thanks for using your voice. 💙

[@dubs3432]

Medical professionals and politicians should not be the barrier between a patient and the treatment they desire nor should they coerce patients on the basis of personal opinion or speculation.

[@wetraccoonbetterthantrump]

Medical professionals have every right to speak up in such situations for the simple fact that THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT HEALTHCARE AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF PEOPLE'S BELIEFS AND LAWS GETTING IN WAY

[@biancaaustin5859]

Doctors sign an oath to do NO HARM…

[@karlinsomers5360]

Well I nearly died giving birth to my first child, in hospital with an OBGYN in attendance.

[@smarie3874]

Thank you for mentioning Marfan! I have EDS3 and I really struggle to feel seen by the medical community.

[@neen42]

The commercials in Ohio about Issue 1 are WILD. One i saw suggested it could allow human cloning. All fear mongering. I voted last week - the county board of elections was pretty busy.

[@juliee593]

Thank you for advocating for abortion rights, it's an extremely scary situation to be denied care due to abhorrent backwards laws and I'm glad people from the US are not giving up on fighting for their rights. Hopefully in a few years this horrible situation will be reversed, but that will not bring back the hundreds of people whose physical and mental health is being damaged right now.

[@shyinmoonlight]

THANK YOU! So much for your content! We need Dr's like you to keep speaking up!

[@lilypotter3794]

Algorithm boost! More people need to see this.

[@tammystockley-loughlin7680]

Comment on your comment for the algorithm. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times

[@shadevixen217]

My parents went through a lot to have me (and eventually my little brother). Since they had 6 miscarriages and a stillborn before getting pregnant with me. My mom had to be induced and then after 26 hours of labor had to go for an emergency C-Section (the last thing she wanted) because I was in distress. We both almost died. My family was lucky we had health insurance and money to pay for that plus all the extra care I needed. I also had a bunch of other medical issues that required lots of treatments. Including “the second worst case of sleep apnea” a doctor of 45 years had ever seen, and spent the first five years of my life crying, throwing tantrums, and keeping everyone awake all night every night before eventually getting my tonsils removed to fix it. I’m lucky though cause my parents wanted me and had the resources to help me. I can’t imagine what my life would have been like if my parents hadn’t wanted me. Or hadn’t had the patience or ability to deal with five years of hell.

[@peachxtaehyung]

Yes exactly no one stops to think about any of this!! I cant stand it smh thank you for this mdj

[@tabathaalshalhoub1653]

I literally went to the doctor yesterday for my 5th pregnancy, 4th child. And the doctor asked, “abortion?” And I said yes and my husband said no. And the doctor laughed. Abortion is the medical term. Miscarriage is a colloquial term.

[@sumairshirazi]

question if u wanted a abortion why didn't u have sex with a condom though ? plus if the sex was consentual then why have a abortion then ?

[@artikulv731]

⁠@@sumairshirazicondoms don’t always work, and you can consent to sex without consenting to nine months or pregnant and 18+ years of raising a child

[@sumairshirazi]

@@artikulv731 yes but if used properly condoms work

[@tabathaalshalhoub1653]

@@sumairshirazi maybe English isn’t your first language, so I’ll excuse you misunderstanding the comment. All 5 of my pregnancies were wanted and I never had an elective abortion, or an abortion by choice. I had a spontaneous abortion (also known as a miscarriage) of my first pregnancy. When you go to the obstetrician, they’ll ask you about the numbers of pregnancies and abortions you’ve had. I was answering her that I was pregnant 5 times but this will only be my fourth child. However, before this pregnancy I forgot to take my pill twice one month and if I had gotten pregnant then I would have considered an abortion. Mistakes happen and birth control isn’t 100. Even happily married couples can still chose abortion if the timing is not right. It’s a personal decision and should be legal.

[@sumairshirazi]

@@tabathaalshalhoub1653 then have sex with a condom or don't have sex at all and remain celibate. simple as that.

[@madidoan2284]

thanks for uploading this right before a major election in ohio! hope you can inform some on the fence voters :)

[@amandawoodward4099]

The new Speaker of the House recently debated with some pro choice women (one of which was a doctor). How he phrased his questions were absolutely false and shaped to frame women as monsters. I would love to see you cover that debate and adress how politicians are making false claims about reproductive health and abortion rights

[@wendyjaa]

Ohio is voting on whether or not to add protections for all reproductive care, including abortions, to our constitution. I'm absolutely terrified and losing hope.

[@christinafedderke3751]

There's soooo much misinformation being spewed about Issue 1. It truly is terrifying.

[@feliciasjoberg9886]

Rachel Oates talked about the LaBrants "documentary" in a video. Recommend it!

[@shellydavis855]

This was so educational

[@barrocaspaula]

Your advice and ithe information you give in this channel should be considered public service. Thank you for doing what you do.

[@mystery79]

Thanks for this. In Ohio we have issue 1 to keep abortion legal. Our Republican Governor Dewine says he’s willing to be less extreme if it doesn’t pass. Needless to say nobody believes him.

[@anaalicialeonso7199]

Legislators are going to probably sue and say it's unconstitutional, please continue voting and encourage others to vote!

[@feliciasjoberg9886]

Is fasting safe during pregnancy??? 😵 Karissa Collins (fundie with 10 kids) fasts while pregnant. She also says birth control causes abortions😑😮‍💨

[@laurenmaxell5917]

There isn't clear evidence about the safety of fasting during pregnancy, so we can't be sure it's safe. Technically in some ways birth control can cause abortions. Some birth control makes it so the fertilized egg (a baby in pro-lifers terms) can not nest in the utures and will be lost while on your period. But most din't work this way.

[@dirtbagdeacon]

Karissa Collins is....a lot of not very good things, but she is definitely NOT a doctor. Please, for the love of God, never follow her medical advice about anything.

[@roar44879]

Lila Rose is dominating platforms with her propaganda and there is no stopping it.

[@kristacrowder6175]

another thing that is highly problematic with changing the verbage of abortion is the fact that when our insurance is billed for a miscarriage, it is billed as a "spontaneous abortion"... because thats exactly what it is. But the stigma surrounding abortion and the way the term abortion has been highjacked for political use makes women going through this feel so much more anger, resentment, trauma, and grief. Imagine this. You're raised prolife, you don't like abortion, and you suffer a miscarriage. You are devastated. Then you get your bill and it says "spontaneous abortion". that is traumatic for some women. Im in a miscarriage support group and, while I'm okay because even though it sucks -and still hurts- I understand that my body did what it was supposed to because something wasn't right (blighted ovum), lots of women in that group were very bothered by the medical verbage of "spontaneous abortion". They can't help feeling that way, the term was highjacked and made them feel bad about that word.

[@FormerlyMantisDragon1995]

Honestly, thinking on it, I feel like “pro-life” is a misnomer. I would say that people who are pro-choice are more pro-life in the sense they actually give a damn about the lives of those who end up pregnant by certain means and all that, but I find it better to say that those who say are pro-life would be better described as “pro-deny” since they deny women’s (and girls’) rights to make the choices they need to make to remain, you know *healthy and alive* even if it means the fetus has to go, which it wouldn’t really matter if it survived if the one carrying it ends up in a life-threatening situation. Denying a person’s right to do what they need to do by any means is basically denying them the right to live, so yeah, I’d rather say they’re pro-deny than pro-life. It just makes more sense to me

[@RoninTF2011]

pro-life is more like: anti-women

[@loner1878]

@@RoninTF2011 pro forced birth

[@foxhyde7743]

I hope things change in the future although I am sadly doubtful. I refuse to live in my home state again until I'm well into menopause unless things change for the better. Thank you again for a wonderful and well supported argument ❤ keep up the good work ❤❤❤