Pro-Palestine chant branded anti-Semitic by Home Secretary. Is it? LBC debate

The 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' chant has been declared anti-Semitic by Home Secretary Suella Braverman. Critics of the phrase believe it to be a call for the 'obliteration' of Israel, but not everyone is convinced. Nick Ferrari hears from opposing views:
01:12 Gideon Falter from the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism argues that the debate is an 'easy one' and that the chant is clearly anti-Semitic.
05:39 Miqdaad Versi of the British Council of Muslims takes the counter-view. He believes that the chant can be interpreted in many different ways, and is a call for a two-state solution.
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[@monkeyboy8424]

Criticism of the Israeli government is NOT antisemitism. There are decks of antisemitism cards waiting to be played.

[@razerone49]

I agree with that but this video is about the specific chant, not criticism of the Israeli government.

[@Albanach-je1nk]

Sow Blabber has some cheek after her anti imagrant veiw's.

[@johnrussell3961]

The problem is not Judaism. The problem is those Jews who returned to Palestine and retook most of it for themselves. Palestinians will never accept the twin state solution. It was created by the west out of a sense guilt. They told them that they had to accept Jews now occupied most of their land, because the British had allowed it under their administration.

[@robertcampomizzi7988]

Except it's not just criticism. That chant means that a two state solution is not an acceptable solution.... that's what it means. Which river and which sea?

[@wizardoffrobozz]

@@razerone49 i think we agree. the chant itself calls only for Palestinians to freely move and live through the territory named Israel. Only freedom.

[@akhiadammarlow883]

Netanyahu showed recently in a UN meeting a Map of Israel with no presence of Palestine. Why did no one challenge him for doing so? We can also say that that is agressive and is cause for the palestinians to be obliterated. This is ridiculous.

[@niburu1508]

Could just as easily ask why that beast has been getting away with his behaviour for so long. is he another Jefferey Epstein?

[@FourLightsOfficial]

Colonisers stick together

[@grtcara8386]

Hamas sympathiser no doubt

[@grtcara8386]

Buddy you thinking of joining like a repeat of ISIS?

[@Artrader_em8ko]

I think they are having issues with those chant in the streets of Britain. Don’t think Netanyahu showed that map in Britain!

[@zer0875]

There's loads of Israeli chants against Palestinians. Be fair in your reporting.

[@chatham43]

...so where does that devastating contribution leave us...?

[@niburu1508]

When have murdering, thieving liars ever been fair?

[@jamespaul6315]

@@niburu1508 you mean hamas?

[@jamespaul6315]

What chants? Any videos?

[@niburu1508]

@@jamespaul6315 No I don’t. I mean from the theft of Palestinian land in 1948 to present day European fascists.

[@shabanaakhtar4031]

The chant is not anti semitism, all it means is for Palestine to be free but there's no mention of Israel so how can you say they want to obliterate the jews.

[@A2Z1Two3]

Anything that Hamas chants , has got to be inflammatory , and clearly appears to be support for Hamas and their ‘soloution’ when chanted by others . I can easily call out atrocities of killings on both sides.

[@TheSILENTBOB180]

Because its in their charter and they have admitted it and they signed up with the nazis during ww2 for that very reason

[@shabanaakhtar4031]

@@TheSILENTBOB180 - Have u seen this charter? By the way...Hamas we're not around during ww2. Lol

[@thenewyearsgrinch]

@@A2Z1Two3This is ridiculous. This is like saying: 'the KKK are big fans of the american flag, they fly it at every rally, So we should therefor consider it a hate symbol'. Bigots don't get to choose what things mean.

[@TheSILENTBOB180]

@@shabanaakhtar4031 read an actual book mate

[@hm718]

"One of the most severe types of injustice is when the oppressor plays the role of the victim and accuses the oppressed of being unjust". David Hilbert

[@niburu1508]

And that is the permanent status of the Jews.

[@niburu1508]

And the world knows who the experts at that are.

[@RN-io5hs]

Get your freedom bumper sticker and watch the show. -They could stop any time but it's a calling that has never worked out.

[@jameslevitt7313]

If a chant for freedom makes you uncomfortable, maybe it’s because you are aligned with something that goes against freedom Freedom may mean freedom from injustice , racial ideologies or war. To jump from one to the other is a way to deflect from the issues Ie occupation

[@GretsGarbo]

But it's a false chant, James. It makes the presumption that, by the Israelis being there, they are stopping the Arab Palestinians from having freedom. If you read about the history of the area, you will see that that is a false presumption.

[@jamespaul6315]

Has hamas done anything to achieve a two state solution?

[@braxton414]

​@@jamespaul6315so you're asking the occupied terrorist group to form a 2 state solution but not the occupant terrorist Israeli government to. Strange?!?

[@jamesarnold7253]

It depends what kind of freedom you're talking about. In this case it means free from having to share their land with Jews. If someone said that in London it would be anti Semitic so why isn't it there?

[@annikamyren3026]

👍

[@zul5665]

Instead of banning flags and chants, why not just go the whole hog and reserve freedom of speech only for those people that have nice things to say about Israel?

[@angelabrooke5059]

That's pretty much where e have been for 70 years.

[@niburu1508]

That has been a work in progress for some time.

[@hasmax786]

Currently if you say anything against israel on social media you end up in jail.

[@dvdv8197]

We REALLY have to stop using the 'it's antisemitic' argument.

[@saehisaya]

Why? It’s true?

[@rashdon7126]

Its in the chant.. "Palestine must be Free"...is something wrong with being free?

[@lamestreammedia3154]

By eradicating Jews?

[@eesa_1980]

Yes, if your Zionist. Hamas want Israel gone and Zionist want Palestine gone. The rest of us just want peaceful co-existance

[@HecticGlenn]

You forgot the bit "from the river of the sea", Israel is between the river and the sea. It's all in the video you just watched you just have to listen carefully

[@johnrussell3961]

Because Isreal now occupies most of Palestine. They have to go to free Palestine. A twin state solution was a western invention created out of a sense of guilt.

[@rashdon7126]

So is palestine ..its not like they are chanting "The Jews..Will Not..replace Us"

[@vercoda9997]

Or course it's not anti-Semitic. It's an inexcusable conflation that any criticism of the Israeli government and her policies is automatically anti-semitic - but the same utterly cynical narrative is never applied to, say, the Irish government, comprised of a majority Catholic/Christian membership - or swivel to the Northern Ireland Executive, a devolved government that's similarly majority comprised of Christian politicians. But if I sit here and make caustic remarks about the DUP and Loyalists - or about Sinn Fein and Republicans - or even if I was a super-ardent Republican who started chanting about 'Irish freedom' enough to make even the Wolfe Tones blush, absolutely nobody, anywhere, would accuse me of anti-Christian bigotry and religious intolerance, would they? No, of course not. Yet *that's* the narrative being brought out by the repellent Cruella - that people expressing a political viewpoint are also automatically guilty of a hate crime driven by religious bigotry and intolerance. It's a cheap, grubby abd, above all else, utterly cynical move by her. What if any foreign Jews, or even the growing amounts of Israeli Jews who reject the current system, and who believe that Israel's treatment of Palestinians is wrong, what if those Jews share that sentiment? Would she accuse Jews of being anti-semitic too? I swear, the depths of cynicism that this Tory government seems perfectly happy to stoop to still surprises me, even now. I hope the electorate remembers that the next time they vote. Actual, genuine anti-Semitism is deplorable, and wrong, and should be tackled. But claiming that people expressing a political opinion - and I'm an atheist with Zero hate for Any religious people or faith - also automatically are guilty of religious hate is a disgusting, cheap political stunt by the home secretary, designed to quash dissent while not tackling actual religious bigotry. Shame on her. And deep sympathy to both the Palestinian *and* Israeli peoples for what they're both going through, right now.

[@trulymental7651]

Exactly.

[@benallen4986]

no thoughts on the chant, then.

[@rosiegiesler4705]

R u Jewish? Because unless you are. Your telling entire Jewish community what is antisemitism. It’s like a white person telling me what’s racism based on a white person experiences it. They experience antisemitism so listen to them and there experiences. And learn. And unless your Jewish your trying to police an entire community based on how you feel not on how they feel. If you dismiss there experiences of what the word means that is antisemitism. It’s like a white using the N word after a black personhas continuously asked you not to say it. Is that racism. Because if you except that is racism why don’t you except something is antisemitic?

[@shsh-he5qg]

@@rosiegiesler4705 you do know Palestinians are Semite’s right ? How can they be called anti semites ? 😂 when they themselves are semites ?

[@user-oj8uu9oy7l]

​@@benallen4986I find it a catchy tune to it 😊

[@aguywithaview]

The chant actually relates to Palestine,as per the 1948 UN map showing a very different Palestine to the shrunken one we see today.

[@Dibley8899]

Yes, but it has a more profound thought process than the actual words in meaning. Even Hamas would agree with that. Stop making excuses.

[@musaffir1.]

Whenever I look at Nicholas, he reminds me of the dogs who played the role of journalists on spitting image. Really is a baffoon who can't hide his biases

[@maureenharris3845]

It seems that just breathing is antisemitic these days! Where will it end?

[@johnwall1989]

"This is a war between children of the light and children of the darkness" Netanyahu 17th of October 2023. Any conversation about this animal?

[@shabanaakhtar4031]

Animal?? More like the devil.

[@JOEFABULOUS.]

His ministers like Ben Gvir convicted in a Israeli court of racism and terrorism against Palestinians

[@eesa_1980]

The belief of Zionists (and perhaps all Jews) is that Jews are inherently superior to anyone born into any other race. This is why in thier heads, calling themselves the children of light is justifiable. This is clear racism, but this is never talked about.

[@NandoUnterman]

Do you know what the Hamas charter says about Israel and its people?

[@kanedNunable]

@@NandoUnterman how would you feel someone stealing all your land and making you live in an open air prison camp?

[@terencerowberry2444]

Why is it that the Israelis can't see the irony in their statements ? Who is it who is it that is squeezing the Palestinians out of there homes and land ?

[@niburu1508]

Born victims brought up, being told that the world hates them is self fulfilling prophecy. They are natural murderers, thieves and liars. The Bible is full of evidence of that.

[@blackeyedsusan727]

Why is 8t that you cannot see that Israel is run by hateful right-wingers as the Palestinians are?

[@niallmaca5670]

The differing attitudes of this guy towards the Zionist and the Muslim chap are outrageous.

[@jujutrini8412]

Welcome to England.😂

[@nas6587]

Nick is being biased here.... I knew he would interrupt the other guy... Palestinians lives Matter Mr. Ferrari

[@chatham43]

...did he deny that Mr nas!...

[@Dibley8899]

So do Israelis.

[@Ztandard32]

No surprise, Nick is the most right wing presenter on LBC.

[@ZvqZ203]

For human rights sake, tear down the walls of Gaza and free innocent Palestinians from the apartheid system.

[@joshuaDstarks]

This guy is pushing back on a sentence more than he did with the Ambassador 100-fold. Incredible.

[@boahnation9932]

Just says it all, doesn't it

[@chrisdickens4268]

He was hoping the ambassador had ferrero rocher's for him...

[@TheMrClutchy]

It’s a well known antisemitic chant. Crazy how many of you try to justify it.

[@jamespaul6315]

Its pretty obvious what the sentence means, its insane to justify it. And im no huge fan of the israeli government

[@TheThugNasty]

@@TheMrClutchyfrom the river to the sea Palestine will be free!

[@adhesivecookie]

If in doubt, throw the "anti-semitism" card. That'll do it.

[@mzhassan84]

But It was there land and they were their before the Israelis settled by force

[@johnrussell3961]

No….they settled peacefully with the permission of the British occupiers. Britain and Isreal are equally responsible for the act of theft.

[@Connorgarcia770]

Some Israelis settled called Ashkenazi from eastern Europe,they are brown skinned middleasteren Jewish Israeli too

[@daz4355]

Are Palestinians not Semites.

[@Albanach-je1nk]

Exactly

[@nightelfuser]

They definitely are. They have lived there for far longer than the Jews.

[@sparkofcuriousity]

i think you're confusing semites with termites. sounds similar but are completely different.

[@redeyegooner]

Jewish isnt the only semitic religion, so why does the term anti-Semitic only apply for Judaism?

[@EdFormer]

Ask Wilhelm Marr, the guy who coined the term and formed the League of Antisemites, who specifically opposed the Jews.

[@nightelfuser]

They bet on the population's ignorance about the subject. The Palestinians are semites too.

[@niburu1508]

Because they keep claiming that any criticism denunciation of the Jews is anti semitic.

[@sirfrozsomji3984]

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, Arabia is the home of the Semites and the starting point of migration from central Arabia, of people, language, culture, customs, myths, Semitic traits, etc; citing Abraham's journey. He's also described as a Bedouin Sheik. Jews' Original Home.

[@trulymental7651]

There is a Human Rights report from 2021 stating Israel is guilty of apartheid. Also South African leaders have sided with Palestine as they also recognise this.

[@salmivec]

Conflating Israel state fascism and apartheid with anti semitism is disingenuous

[@chatham43]

...your thesaurus is working overtime...anyway getting hysterical doesn't help the situation....

[@salmivec]

Oh I’m sorry..did you have to take out your dictionary?

[@jamesgeorge9467]

​@@chatham43how is writing a sentence in basic English being hysterical? It seems that you are the one needing the thesaurus.

[@kojo1959]

The Israeli projection is ironic, bearing in mind that they're the occupying force!

[@TheSILENTBOB180]

How are they occupying they were there before the roman empire, Palestinians only became Palestinians around 1970

[@kanedNunable]

@@TheSILENTBOB180 they hadnt lived there for 1000 years. and still very little to even prove they were ever there. so, by your logic native americans can just say 'this is mine' and take anything in the USA from the european descendants?

[@eddiecalderone]

@@kanedNunable They’ve been there for thousands of years

[@kojo1959]

@@eddiecalderone the occupying force claiming Jewery are all from Eastern Europe and other parts of it. There would not have been a need for "Balfour Declaration" or the CREATION of a state of Israel in 1948, otherwise.

[@TheSILENTBOB180]

@@kanedNunable read an actual history book

[@mdog111]

The CAAS would prefer a situation where any criticism of Israel was automatically classified under law as being hate speech.

[@bahialynch3037]

I cannot believe you are saying this! people are dying like flies and you are discussing this!!? Unbelievable

[@csharpe5787]

It's all a distraction. A fig leaf to hide behind.

[@kanedNunable]

yeah, because pretending things dont happen and hiding like a child will certainly resolve this eh?

[@martinallenuk]

Typical distraction technique

[@norzainimohd-zain1325]

Yeah, just noticed this. Really funny how they're trying hard to SPIN/Twist the simple phrase. It is as simple as, no more holding down/bullying/killings of the Palestinian people from the river to the sea. IE. Free Palestinians from all those brutalities & atrocities. Period. Such a paranoid lot they are. Just shows their insecurity/Guilt in doing all those over the last 75 Years?!... Allahu Akbar. Allahua'lam.

[@karimmatin486]

how badly they victimize themselves. Calling it a 'call for a second holocaust' is beyond overexaggeration. Why won't they assume that palestinians just want to be free, just like the chants initiates?

[@morten3465]

Because of over a century of pretty clear intentions to make the area "a graveyard for all the jews in the country" awni abdel hadi, 1920

[@dowdallerno1]

" It speaks of the obliteration of Jewish people" Seriously? That's a bit of a stretch.

[@chatham43]

...so how much obliteration is acceptable...?

[@borismuller86]

@@chatham43are you able to comment without using ellipsis?

[@RetractedandRedacted]

Well if you've read Hamas charter it really isnt and are familiar with the slogans history, it really isn't.

[@4thStump]

The chant could mean a number if things to a number of people.

[@wizarddragon]

You are correct. It could mean connecting the West Bank to Gaza and having 1 nation from river to sea. With that said, I think people should clarify what that chant means to them.

[@GretsGarbo]

@@wizarddragon Those that chant it, don't mean that though Wiz, do they? When they are challenged about it, they give some brain gymnastics reply, ( like the Arab guy in the interview), so you can't believe a word they say.

[@ne-ht4zx]

Of course it does. Of course it does.

[@RetractedandRedacted]

So could "work shall make you free". But anyone who has done any research knows exactly what it's in reference to.

[@blackeyedsusan727]

How convenient

[@oldmacdreadapexriddims1460]

Shame on the UK,,shame on those who voted them in

[@niburu1508]

That filth need to be removed ASAP

[@kderrick1000]

So it's OK for Israel to chant but anti-semitic when Palestine do the same. What's going on here people?.

[@davedarlington5089]

I'm watching the news and I'm sure I'm missing something, it seem the world is obligated to believe and sympathise with everything one set of people are saying and even when their actions are clear they cry victim.

[@johnrussell3961]

It’s a sense of guilt.

[@VintageBabyOx]

The germans are the exact same because of their history.

[@mrannonymous4822]

From the river to the sea Palestine will be free!

[@constantinvaldor3742]

Wow 😯 how can you say that. Everytime you say that a Israeli dies somewhere on earth 🌍

[@RetractedandRedacted]

Free from Jews if Hamas get their way.

[@youcantalwaysgetwhatyouwan8419]

Accusing people of calling for a holocaust as you are ethically cleansing the rightful inhabitants of a country is a bit rich.

[@NumTecho]

But Isreal stole Palestinian land and they didn't bat an eye

[@johnrussell3961]

Becuase it was under British Administration. They wanted to implement the Balfour declaration. There where few Jews in Palestine under the Ottomans, Britain should have respected it was Palestinian land, and killed off the Kibbutz movement before it took hold.

[@Connorgarcia770]

Palestinian were the native jews but became Islamized and arabized through islamic conquest from arabia,there mizrahi jews too,each theory possible

[@johnrussell3961]

@@Connorgarcia770 . Not every Jew chose to leave when the Romans banned Judeaism. They stayed and became pagans, and finally Muslim.

[@TimSol-cf3iz]

If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. Malcolm X

[@vincekerrigan8300]

There is no oppression.

[@LGrian]

@@vincekerrigan8300what about an open air prison full of children isn’t oppression? Just because Israel is in a tough position too doesn’t mean the people of Gaza aren’t being oppressed.

[@JOEFABULOUS.]

Is bombing The First Baptist Church Hospital Gaza and killing 500 is a war crime.

[@boxing.clever]

That hasn’t been verified yet. It’s quite possible that it was Hamas. Documented rocket failures previously would suggest this could have been another one. None of us know for sure either way at the moment.

[@NandoUnterman]

Everything points that it was Hamas, same thing happened in 2014, Hamas bombed the Al-Sharif hospital and blame Israel then Mahmoud Abbas the current Palestinian president identified Hamas as the perpetrators…

[@bobbyd5167]

Not if you deny it I suppose!🤔

[@davidmontgomery9846]

It will probably turn out to be Islamist Jihadis trying to widen the conflict but the left wing and Pro Palestine supporters will denounce it as fake news .

[@user-ls9jj3ci5i]

Have to admit Israeli action this last week has certainly made me more sympathetic to Palestine. Israel had the upper hand in the world's eye but have lost it now.Daily war crimes will do that.

[@boahnation9932]

They only had the upper hand in the world's eye because of utter corruption, lies, blackmail and deceit. The whole media is in on it. No other issue causes outrage across every single nation in the world. Even the poorest countries in Africa are out protesting. The Palestinian plight represents the world as we know it today, and the war the media wages on information and control

[@zpatel15]

100% agree... Seen a new disgusting side to this Israeli attack

[@RetractedandRedacted]

And you're just going to look over Hamas' war crimes including the use of human shields?

[@leemartell7086]

The only people that should be offended by that chant are the oppressors. If you’re offended, guess what…

[@liamcragin]

What does that even mean? It seems like you just put words together and stood back like you made a mic drop of a deep point but what you said is kind of meaningless.

[@lookbovine]

@@liamcraginIsrael is an apartheid state and Israel are the oppressor state. Get it now?

[@aarononeill3]

Critique is not racism. Hate is.

[@niburu1508]

There is quite a few ‘people’ of tbe same race as me that I mortally HATE. How can that be racism🧌

[@saehisaya]

If the critique is unfounded and based on antisemitic tropes and racism i.e. claiming all Israelis are settlers and that their falsely assumed European phenotype or status makes them colonizers and therefore unworthy or empathy and less human, then it’s the same thing.

[@niburu1508]

@@saehisaya 1948 - part of Palestine was GIVEN to aEuropean Jews. They have been stealing more and more since and abusing Palestinians. Stealing and abusing. What is it you do not understand about that? Read the Balfour aDeclaration.

[@Simon-sr4uc]

How is calling for FREE PALESTINE antisemitic?

[@Shyna001]

That’s because a lot of people are ignorant and uneducated on this matter. Calling for the freedom of Palestine is not antisemitism.

[@askmartinez6409]

This must have been filmed before the hospital strike. If not then this discussion is in extremely bad taste and bad timing.

[@BadlydrawnBen]

The hospital was struck by Hama's rockets the footage is out

[@beanybun6110]

The hospital strike has already been proven to have been an Islamic Jihad strike. Keep up chum.

[@RetractedandRedacted]

The hospital strike that turned out to be from a Palestinian rocket?

[@tarlkoroban3733]

Free Palestine

[@niburu1508]

And Julian ASSANGE Now

[@jidf32]

*Nick Ferrari does not believe that Palestinians should be free because otherwise what happens to Israel.... What the actual fug?*

[@engineeredlifeform]

Where would the occupying settlers go? Did anyone care were the people they displaced went? Nick only saw half of that problem.

[@liamcragin]

The question of where millions of Israelis would go if their country ceased to exist is not a trivial question. I don’t know if you’ve read about expulsions of populations in the past but it’s never anything other than a humanitarian disaster when it happens. Do you think other middle eastern countries would let them in? What about European countries? Have you seen what most European countries take is currently on immigration? Most importantly, by doing that you would be instigating yet another pogrom against the Jews, something they’ve been enduring for thousands of years at this point and what the creation of the state of Israel (a homeland for the Jews) by the international community was created to prevent ever happening again. The shameful irony of that should stop everybody thinking in such a blasé way about these things.

[@engineeredlifeform]

@@liamcragin yet land must be returned to Palestinians, it's unavoidable.

[@robjo5954]

The caller had far more sense and intelligence than the so-called expert.

[@Cr4iiGXD]

What a reach. Palenstine will be free from its oppressors who happen to reside between the river to the sea.

[@nakhan4132]

Palestine must be free they must be able to o return to their homes

[@terbz7]

Was following the LBC for some time now and believed in their version of UK politics provided a voice for the voiceless. On the contrary, the covering of the Gaza-Israel war has been nothing more that repeating the same rhetorical message all the other news agencies are spewing. You've shown your cards and they're sad and disappointing.

[@PassiveAgressive319]

Only James OBrien has a modicum of common sense

[@Starkweather133]

​@@PassiveAgressive319sort of? But his stance of "everyone should just be friends, but also Hamas are worse" is pretty pathetic

[@chatham43]

...they'll get over your disappointment terby...😊

[@bigpurm]

Have a listen to Sangita Myska, she seems to be the only independent thinker at LBC at the moment

[@terbz7]

@@chatham43 fingers crossed 🤞🏾

[@simongoodwin926]

Suella De Vile is amongst the last people on earth who have any credibility on saying what is abd what is not decent. Palestinians need a home, not a pruson, and I am not antisemetic, human life is human life.

[@StoicallySturdy]

It's almost like they took " Palestine shall be free from the river to sea" and decided to run it through a "misinterpretation blender" set to maximum absurdity. They've turned a noble principle into an excuse for oppression, making it seem like they're on a mission to punish people for breathing too much. This one deserves a gold medal in mental gymnastics.

[@RetractedandRedacted]

A misinterpretation blender? You do realise that slogan has historically always meant no Israel and no Jews. It's a slogan that the PLO intentionally stopped parroting after the Oslo peace accords for a reason

[@StoicallySturdy]

@@RetractedandRedacted Well, if we had a contest for missing the point, you'd be winning gold medals. These protests are like fire alarms in the face of a burning house, and you're busy critiquing the sound they make. It's almost as if you're playing hide-and-seek with morality and humanity, and they're winning! STOP KILLING THE CHILDREN!!!

[@elaineread15]

Some Jewish people chant this. Many Jews support Palestine 🇵🇸

[@jackmorris6967]

Freedom means obliteration according to this chap, is he from the department of peace by any chance?

[@ScrotoTBaggins]

"Hamas drinks water. You support drinking water. Why would want to support Hamas?"

[@joanbernadettelambe3104]

Why are we only hearing one voice. I should be hearing both sides?

[@liamcragin]

He literally talked to both sides in this clip.

[@smokeydization]

It chills me to think of all the Palestinian children that have been killed over the last 70years

[@margaretbagnall4729]

From the river to sea Palestine will be free. Palestine 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸

[@constantinvaldor3742]

Why bro 😨 crazy times

[@norzainimohd-zain1325]

Yes. Really funny how they're like trying hard to SPIN/Twist the simple phrase. It is as simple as, no more holding down/bullying/killings of the Palestinian people from the river to the sea. IE. Free Palestinians from all those brutalities & atrocities. Period. Such a paranoid lot they are. Just shows their insecurity/Guilt in doing all those over the last 75 Years?!... Allahu Akbar. Allahua'lam.

[@h.a9375]

U can’t say anything about Israel 😅

[@franklingoodwin]

Thst chant is used by both both pro Palestinian and pro Israeli groups. They just replace Palestine with Israel and vice versa. I'm not sure you can really make a strong case for it being antisemitic in this case. But then again lots still will call anyone who opposes Israel antisemites (even Jews who they'll be call self hating)

[@matthewlawrenson2734]

You cant be a thinking person today and not consider both side's terrorists

[@kanedNunable]

too many are looking for a black and white answer. this really isnt. both govs are horrendous.

[@liamcragin]

States don’t commit terrorism. States commit war crimes. The difference is that terrorism is committed by non-state actors as a way to compensate for the inherent discrepancy in power by attacking an enemy where they are weakest - their civilian population. Terrorism can be state sponsored - like Iran’s sponsoring of Hamas/Hezbollah but it cannot be committed by a state that has a conventional military.

[@lookbovine]

@@liamcraginThe IDF is a terrorist group.

[@mohammeddobiruddin1674]

They would criminalise effective dissent through the passing of laws. They try and justify obvious wrong through the witty and manipulative mouthpieces of their media.

[@tomsheppard378]

Tzipi Hotovely is an extremist though, she has said before that Palestinian should have less rights than Israelis and that the whole west bank should be annexed. So let's not forget who is giving advice on this

[@martinallenuk]

You cant slaughter 1000's of civilians then get offended by words.

[@tonyking7192]

Oooh, Nick......won't that give the police the excuse to wade in on the next VERY LARGE protest this coming Saturday in London?

[@Baqarah225]

The chant means for the Palestinian ppl to be free from the land and sea/river blockade Israel forced on the ppl of Gaza and West Bank

[@dazzlerweb]

Seems it means what you want it to mean.

[@sunilthakore5715]

Wheels in a cog. In the 1947 and the 1967, the rebirth of Israel, many Palestinians fled to Jordan. Then In the 1967 war of the Arab nations against Israel 300,000 Palistanian fled to Jordan. in which the land lost was the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The Palestianians then created militias that in the 1970's tried to assasintate the King of Jordan, on many occasions. Nice way to treat a saviour. The King, then ordered a crackdown on the Palestinian militants, with the help of Pakistanis, and over 3,000-4,000 Palestinians died. Now you wonder why Arab nations are not opening the borders to the Palestinians. They call for the cause, but not actually doing anything. Hamas, a certified terrorist organisation, was voted into power, with their leader, lives the life of luxury in an Emirati country, dictates what he wants while indoctrinating people. They claim a two state solution, but I can guarantee, if Israel was to agree to this, there still will be conflict as they just do not want Israel to exist. Simple

[@hasanvolkan4906]

Isn't it telling that Nick Ferrari has memorised two Israeli sisters names ,and confirmed that they are minors , yet I bet he doesn't know a name of single Palestinian child that has been murdered , blown to pieces , poisoned by chemical weapons ,starved to death , or thirst , by the actions of the "Brave" IDF forces. I fear that there is not a single main stream media outlet left in this country that is fair and objective . My heart bleeds for the future of Humanity .

[@Kay-gw6vw]

Nick , what are your thoughts of the Israeli airstrike on a hospital killing 500 civilians? .. ow sorry youre still focused on chants.. as you were

[@boxing.clever]

I mean that hasn’t been verified yet. It’s quite possible that it was Hamas. Documented rocket failures previously would suggest this could have been another one. None of us know for sure either way at the moment.

[@michaelkemp6857]

Not yet proven!!

[@davidmontgomery9846]

You will probably find that the attack was carried out by Islamist Jihadis in an attempt to widen the conflict but those on the left and Pro Palestine will denounce it as fake news .

[@HecticGlenn]

Why would you write this knowing it's not proven and Israel said it was jihadists? Extremely disingenuous

[@Kay-gw6vw]

@@michaelkemp6857 if I present you with evidence and sources would you accept it ?

[@waterbearer4627]

This is about politics not religion. About a regional conflict. Why is the home secretary doing this!? The people protesting are in support of the Palestinians people and their conditions coming under attack. She is trying to silence the protests by playing the anti jewish card. It's totally misguided.

[@MrRikas21]

So Nick only grills the pro palestinian guest 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣

[@PaulTully-uc3sv]

If you accept Ferrari's brand of news broadcasting is neither serious nor rigorous, then this stuff will satisfy its audience, and he churns it out day after day in the belief it is journalism. It isn't. Nick - please look up the definition of a war crime under the Geneva convention and then lets have some balanced reporting.

[@FourGreenFields]

As a matter of fact the Palestinian areas between the river and sea are not free so what is wrong with a call for liberty? Its a ridiculous conflation between judaism and israel expansionism

[@zivkovicable]

"Rule Britannia, Britannia, rules the the waves"....is far more offensive. Literally claiming the world as theirs....The arrogance!

[@eddiecalderone]

Just the seas

[@jimmyrutledge5115]

​@@eddiecalderone"Rules the waves" = "rules other countries " = Empire. You're being intentionally disingenuous !

[@cosmos237]

At that time it was a mere statement of fact, the world was a better ordered place too.

[@PaddyDixieTheMinerva82]

That lady and Braverman are deluded. The paranoia and gaslighting by these individuals is stunning. Palestinians AND Jews can BOTH bee free from that river to the sea. These characters telling others what something means or implies is unbelievably narcissistic and manipulative. This weakness and prejudicial obsession with the thought policing of people is a major symptom of how the leadership of Israel will destroy itself, let alone from any outsider influence

[@Tr3xShad]

Its not clear if you have to give a full breakdown explanation which includes words not from the chant.

[@akky4706]

Home secretary needs to be charged with war crimes on top of the crime she's committed

[@PsyOps404]

It’s easier to remember the things that aren’t antisemitic than to remember all the things that are.

[@Ryan-gh4iz]

People just like catchy rhymes. We're all big children.

[@abydx]

I think free Palestine can also be deemed anti-semitic because if freeing means that Israel has to concede then that is oppressive. Actually Palestinians are semites so the use of the word anti-semitic in the context of this conversation is wrong to start with....

[@liamcragin]

That’s a very literal interoperation. The term really just refers to Jew hate as that’s who was the majority of Semites in Europe when popular antisemitism reached its height in the 19th century - so antisemitism became just a shorthand for the hatred and oppression of Jews. It was originally a term antisemites used to describe themselves and only became a pejorative after the Holocaust when people finally realized what the term meant in practice.

[@pantano207]

In a way, it's actually pro-semitic as it calls for the freedom of Palestine and Palestinians, which are a semitic people. With enough bias, you can infer whatever you want from anything.

[@liamcragin]

So are the Jews.

[@georgeryan3310]

The interpretation of that chant could just be that Palestinians do not have the freedoms of a normal civilization because of the restrictions on their liberties enforced by Israel,where in that chant does it state the extermination of any race,was it not Netanyahu who showed a map with only Israel on it and know sign of Palestine on it,how do you interpret that.

[@blackeyedsusan727]

So, it's completely lost on you that there is a difference between people chanting this drivel in LONDON, and that being supported by people who pretend to be reasonable; and, the hateful speech of Netanyahu, a man reviled by the majority of Israelis and generally condemned for his policies in furtherance of his known corruption. You want to equate these?? Get your head on straight and then rejoin the adults.

[@aq11158]

FROM THE RIVER TO SEA... PALESTINE WILL BE FREE!!!

[@sparkofcuriousity]

from Hamas

[@constantinvaldor3742]

Why not call Israel bombing the hospital a terrorist attack.

[@keech100]

The amount of times I have heard people saying "second Holocaust" this week its beyond belief. People need to get an actual perspective on this and stop referring to a thing absolutely abhorrent in history. Also terror attack is different from a terrorist

[@nevillesmith426]

Decades of occupation and oppression are terrorism in themselves. Let's not forget that prior to 1948, Zionists were terrorists as well. It was utter folly to try to establish a Jewish homeland in the middle of the former Ottoman empire. That ill-fated strategy and the brutality of the occupation of is the root of all the suffering we are seeing on both sides. Of course Israel is dehumanising the Palestinians -- colonialists have to do so in order to be able to live with themselves. "They're just animals" is what I'm hearing from Israelis, but it was exactly what the Nazis said about the Jews while they were being rounded up and put into concentration camps. I think the only way forward now a one state solution as the second speaker in this clip alludes to -- a state called Israel and Palestine that has three provinces -- Israel, West Bank and Gaza and where all are citizens with equal rights and voting power. There would need to be a "Truth and Reconciliation Committee" just like there was in post-Apartheid South Africa. Peace is possible, I have seen two seemingly insoluble conflicts end in my lifetime: South Africa and Northern Ireland. It can happen, but there needs to be an overarching authority that is neutral and just.

[@DW-indeed]

Or..go with me here... It's a lyrically convenient way of referencing two geographically separated territories containing the same people. So, whether I'm right or wrong, I disagree with the assessment "it can only have one meaning."

[@AtarRose]

Why, at the same marches around the world, do they chant about the Mohammed led battle of Khbar? The battle involved the slaughter of Jews in 628ce. The fact that you can find more than one meaning to the chant doesn’t mean that the organisers of these marches understand more than one meaning. The organisers may however enjoy the fact that they can get people without knowledge to chant the slogan precisely because it’s ambiguous to them. Jews hearing these March slogans don’t have the luxury of misunderstanding.

[@DW-indeed]

@@AtarRose Interesting. I have to then ask, doesn't intent matter? If the people are "without knowledge" of this deeper meaning, does chanting it make it or them antisemitic?

[@RetractedandRedacted]

​@@DW-indeedyes. It's endorsing anti semitism.

[@mwaqo]

Gideon reminds of Randal from the cartoon Recess 😂

[@sircharlesnot]

6:48 Here is my most charitable explanation: you have to understand Jews have the Talmud, the Talmud parces the Torah text and the Palestinians know that, so when the Palestinians chant from the river to the sea us Jews need to pull out our pocket Talmud and discern precisely what they mean.

[@itamarsuisa5797]

"Wherever the Arab goes, the desert will follow" Winston Churchill

[@Pantifaximile]

If the bbc calls hamas terrorists, they will be forced to call isreal terrorists.

[@axelBr1]

A couple of days ago I heard an Israeli official talk about Palestinians playing the victim card. Sounds like the Israelis play the victim card too. And kind of rich of the first person interviewed to talk about ethic cleansing, when that is literally what Israel is doing at the moment in Gaza, starving 2.3 million people and telling them to leave to Egypt if they don't want to be bombed.

[@daveaustin1093]

Over hundred Israelis in captivity by Hamas, how many thousands of Palestinians children are captive in Israelis prison, over 5000 from ten years old to man and women up to 80 years old.

[@m1421]

1984 George Orwell comes to mind.

[@rsaiyed1979]

There talking about freedom of their country, what the f**k has to do with Apartheid Israel?

[@ni3467]

They getting offended by words while they are killing children

[@martinmcnulty8155]

How on earth is that antisemitic??? Israel has in effect done this to the Palestinians. The Palestinians wanting to regain their land is somewhat legitimate in that perspective. It's got nothing to do with the jewish people as a people (or their right to exist).

[@vincekerrigan8300]

The Palestinians were offered their land back in 1967. They didn't take it, preferring to play the victim card instead, which they have done for 56 years.

[@brianbaxter1013]

oh the hypocrosy.....hundreds of palestinian children held illegally in israeli prisons

[@PsyOps404]

He cries out in pain as he strikes you!

[@Just-Browsing-123]

I thought about it, and, From the river to thr sea, Palestine must be free!!