Pro Player Says Kazuya Is EASY... TMM Has Some Kind Words

[@polishsausage648]

Kazuya Mishima is the most badass character ever created. It’s almost unbelievable that such a badass character even exists

[@was-hm2ji]

The legend himself

[@IAMOP]

I knew I would see this 💀

[@Z34L_Official]

i see this comment in every kazuya video lmao

[@basti.9022]

One must agree.

[@rustycstick7370]

I love you

[@silenthero2795]

"All you do is dribble and shoot. Basketball isn't that hard."

[@NateVHVT]

"All you have to do is run. How hard can winning a gold medal be?"

[@olivegr333n]

Bad metaphor

[@TriNguyen-iu2vi]

That can be said about any other character then!

[@Nouldes1]

​@@TriNguyen-iu2vi the game is hard..

[@felipintao]

"..." - Lebron James

[@zex69]

"Tekken Pro" and "Social Awareness" don't go together its like oil and water ...

[@Animavestraisjuggernaut]

You got that from arcane

[@twisttempo]

@@Animavestraisjuggernautare you ok? you made two accounts just to post this same comment everywhere and like it twice you’re sad

[@sabredecore83]

I don’t know, LiL Majin is a pretty humble ex Pro player.

[@Animavestraisjuggernaut]

@@twisttempo what are you talking about I didn’t make a new account, plus what’s so offensive about me saying you got that from arcane

[@Nathan-zd8ew]

Arcane said this not you

[@MiguelAldanotes]

That wasnt a "this character is EASY" it was just a "look at how experienced i am!" it was like asking a millionare the avg. Salary and them sayin "idk like,$150k?"

[@nashhenry9314]

People who have stuff never think about others it's sad but when judgement day comes there money looks big houses won't matter a lot of people who are rich or have a lot are going straight to hell lmfaoo .

[@levisamom5069]

To me it's more like "look guys I'm special give me the love I never got from my parents" level of desperate plea

[@tylerwhite4557]

@@nashhenry9314schizo

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

I agree with this comment. I've been playing hwoarang for a long time casually but I know Knee and 99% of pros could mop the floor with me with Randoms.

[@jaleelkahn7032]

​@@levisamom5069 lol there's a reason a guy as good as GM has a smaller following. BUT, a Lee player saying that Kazuya isn't as hard, there's not really anything to debate

[@IAMOP]

Tmm starting the moustache arc

[@ind-t7vishal208]

😂

[@sober5327]

😬😬😬

[@gianmarcodeluca6912]

And i love it

[@onma07ksa]

Soon he is gonna lead his nationa to gtea heights.

[@aertainhypocrite5836]

Honestly he should end it asap, very few people can rock a stache without a beard and he’s not one of them. He looks much better clean shaven imo

[@lucaruzza9118]

"look at dis shi! look at dis shi!" *Proceeds to mistakenly input d+2, 3 times out of 4 EWGF attempts so 75% fail rate* (3:36) Makes absolute sense, now imagine if he was a beginner aswell

[@r4gequitter389]

Yea he botched electric multiple times and proceeds to say "that shit easy af" 😂😂

[@reinsmano]

He hit 4 EWGF out of 7 attempts. If he’s a pro is messing it up, it obviously isn’t easy, but he didn’t fail as badly as you’re saying

[@balladin9200]

Yeah lol

[@sebastianmoscoso9404]

@@reinsmano thats a little over 50%, if it was really that easy he wouldn't drop that many lol. its clear tho he was just casually showing us how he could play and i'm sure in just a day he could have pewgf every single time. its just that disconnect he doesn't realize in a general sense that the character is indeed very difficult

[@reinsmano]

@@sebastianmoscoso9404 I agree, that’s why I said as a pro he shouldn’t be messing it up that much if it’s actually as easy as he said. But that doesn’t mean a 50%+ success rate = a 75% fail rate

[@murilokronbauer3191]

As a newcomer to the Tekken franchise and a new Mishima player, this is hard as fuck. You can do things in the practice mode if you train, but in real matches is a completely different history.

[@Ali-j1m8u]

exactly, I remember how I could get 7/10 electrics but in matches was scared shitless to try cuz i rarely succeeded. And shall we talk dash electrics, side step electrics, backdash electrics, block punish electrics?

[@tbone9000]

i've played all year and only just now started incorporating electrics and wavedash ff2. it's really really hard.

[@ProdZeltra]

and when u get higher up in ranks u realise the execution isnt the only hard part about the character/gameplan

[@kenichismith783]

All that while minding your spacing and your opponents moves at the same time. Idk how he thinks it's easy

[@kenichismith783]

@@ProdZeltra right? and in those ranks everyone knows the counter and will just sidewalk left

[@mjforevr69]

Pro Player Says Kazuya Is EASY... While Missing His 10th Electric

[@mishimaman9761]

Someone needa tell him to use the electric as a 15f punish

[@Capel360]

And never once went for the DF 2 just frame electric combo either. Biiiiiiiggggg mouth on that guy 😂😂😂😂

[@jaleelkahn7032]

@@mjforevr69 maybe he doesn't practice it. Some people "warm up" electrics after years of playing him

[@JuliusCaesar103]

That's exactly what I wrote in the comment on his video, the guy is a master Tekken player and knows everything about the chars, so of course he wouldn't fine the character hard. Do you still think TMM and PGF think playing Kazuya is hard? No it's second nature for them but they still cannot deny the reality of the difficulty.

[@thruerius]

Lol, thats true. He is the character that I choose to start tekken for real, and yes, sometimes I hate him, but I cant deny he is a strong character. Imo hard to play, but strong.

[@revleckbendon2745]

@@thruerius Same, been playing him for 7 years and I will still drop combos just barely being off axis, tiny small movement interactions, combos just blatantly not linking etc. Everyone deals with these, but man as a Kaz main when I drop anything or something small goes randomly awry, my whole gameplan is cooked. Rip my momentum.

[@thruerius]

@@revleckbendon2745 i really respect gm, im subscribed to his channel and he is a monster at tekken. I learn a lot from him and his "elitist" mentality is right, its the way a real good tekken player see the game. But i disagree with his take on Kaz. I agree with you, i pick Kaz in t7 (which i played like 3 months before buy my series s and telken8) and he is hard for sure. Drop the second ewgf, RA instead of cd1+2, wgf instead of ewgf, drop combo bc off axis like you said, drop the combo bc microdash, fail the move while wavedashing etc are things that literally every Kaz player will do while playing tekken, dont matter how good he is and thats already make him hard. Dont need to say that even redranks knows the matchup and its hard to get out of pressure with him. People talk about df2 and d1+2 but when you see Keisuke playing he basically just block when getting pressured, so this tools are not that good to get out pressure

[@heresapicofdio4044]

Hello, not a kazuya main, buuuut i play all mishimas (with dvj as main), and I would just like to add that i started playing tekken in january 2020 and holy hecc, the learning curve as a newcomer in tekken and picking up dvj was STAGGERING. When my friend showed the input of some of his best moves, i lowkey started panicking because that's a LOTTA arrows (and a star) just for one move It took months to even get acquainted with the idea and practice of whiffing moves with EWGF To say that a character is easy is one thing, but one must also look into your status as a player before making an assessment

[@JadeJackal4]

If anyone would know what characters are easy it would be the person that knows every character. Every character is hard to a new player

[@MikeZehdnicker]

GM was flowcharting with his comentary

[@wilford938]

Underrated comment

[@C_H_U_]

“You heard?”

[@imonshrooms6866]

Lmao, 10/10 comment. I respect GMs skill, but the more i see of him the less i respect the person. He has some shitty takes, and not just shitty as in them being wrong, but toxic. Its like if hes LTG but with actual skills.

[@ronnieortega1709]

@@imonshrooms6866youre completely wrong. GM is nowhere near LTG. His skills are top 1% and personality is great and positive

[@adamastor207]

​@@ronnieortega1709ah yes, his videos pissing on GOD ranked players who aren't playing like pros are super fucking positive

[@KoufalKoufax]

nahhh FightingGm is like that everyone is a fraud to him, every character is easy except Lee. He even shittalking at you in his review videos LOL

[@ZootedReacts420]

Arrogant as hell. He is a damn good player for sure but when I tried to take in his tips and emulate his playstyle it didn't work out for me because I don't have the muscle memory nor the experience 😂😂

[@Space_Pirate97]

Yeah GM is pathetic lmfao he’s washed up and trying his hardest to seem cool.

[@aoibrando99]

@@Space_Pirate97why do yall have to make everything personal. Fucking sad

[@Space_Pirate97]

@@aoibrando99 because he’s personally attacked me over nicely saying I didn’t agree with an opinion of his. He was saying he thought a move was busted and I made a comment on his video and was like “nah it really ain’t that bad I think if they nerfed it then it would be useless” and he insulted me multiple times in his response.

[@Space_Pirate97]

@@aoibrando99 and it was a very personal response and he went way over board and he straight up lied in his response saying he’d seen me in other comment sections saying stuff and he’s just pathetic and he’s a lisr

[@tenquestionmark_s]

“This is hard?!?!” *immediately drops 2 electrics* 😂

[@SS_Sin_Of_Pride]

Yeah even in practice mode where there's no lag and or stress lmao. You can't expect anyone to have 100% electrics, but make sure you don't drop shit if you want to get your point across.

[@diabolicamires]

I was expecting 8 electrics

[@louisedyhlen3234]

if you main a kazuya, in training mode you should basically have electrics 100% if you ''try''

[@SS_Sin_Of_Pride]

@ well 100% is bit much tbh. Im just saying for the sake of the video and the point GM was trying to make dropping so many electrics didn't exactly push is point across. that would be like if a pro player says lee is so easy and then proceed to fail acid rain 10x in a row. Especially in a stress free environment like practice mode.

[@iskaroth]

He doesnt play Kazuya and he did it with zero warm up. Seriously, Kaz mains are some of the most insecure man-babies in Tekken

[@BlackPegasusBP]

"That shit easy as fuck" -As he's fumbling the electric, then proceeds to fumble it two more times immediately after

[@Hachijo3GS]

All of these GM glazers cannot see the reality that this dude is toxic af and has a higher ego than anyone I’ve ever seen

[@ronlewis1554]

I agree but I am a gm fan his skill speaks for itself . Alas he doesn’t even realize he’s toxic when he starts to go ham.

[@Superfoodcookie]

​@ronlewis1554 he's toxic. Really would hate to be his friend. He'll prob downplay all your efforts. Very very egotistical.

[@awsumpops]

Used to enjoy watching this guy, but as of recent he’s really been up his own ass.

[@thanos5149]

​@ronlewis1554 I don't care if you're the best player in the world, that doesn't warrant you being a prick 24/7.

[@WavyJayZ]

​@@awsumpopsfor absolutely no reason either. Bro hasnt done anything significant tekken-wise in years.

[@cpt.zangscarlet1898]

Players that have climbed the skill mountain and are instilled with more ego instead of humility give me ultimate cringe

[@Ti_Fire]

Well said

[@linneausmsiska1184]

I think in real life I know more good players like this than those who aren't.

[@LouSassol69er]

Someone definitely whooped GM with Kaz and now he's venting lol

[@ΆγιοςΤιμοθέος-ρ5υ]

I sware that’s always the case. Players get flexed by a Mishima 😂, then they want to form an Alliance 🤣💯

[@RubenQuevedo-ju1jy]

Fax

[@devonh117]

He's beaten every GoD kaz he's run into recently if you check his match history.

[@unspoken00]

That's literally not what happened, you can go watch the actual vid for context.. Someone was in his chat talking about how hard Kaz was and he was trying to prove a point

[@LouSassol69er]

@@devonh117 probably plugged or used a 2nd account then

[@Owsald]

As a beginner, choosing kazuya as my main taught me how to do basic defense, patience and learning when to punish. Its a tough track for a newbie but its fun to learn fundamentals.

[@パンドーラー-y7m]

you learned basic defense and patience not because you picked up kazuya but because you simply wanted to. either you got told or watched vids of "thats how kazuya plays". you can play this way on any character

[@ResonantNewt]

​@@パンドーラー-y7mtrue but kazuya enforces you to play this way, because he doesn't have great offense if you can't wavu wavu and apply 50/50s

[@melvinjohnsoniii4563]

Same, I bought Heihachi and I haven’t put the mishimas down since I play them all now and only them lol.. kazuya after Heihachi taught me basic fundamentals because unlike the other 30 characters he don’t have bullshit to throw out

[@JayDoe-u5o]

You don’t need fundamentals to play Kaz 😂 with Steve yes but Kaz, come on

[@hughmanatee7626]

You have to learn fundamentals with ALL characters at some point. Kazuya is just one of the characters that have to understand them sooner than most. That being said you're going to have an easy time against people that don't know the Kazuya match up as soon as you get momentum from punishment unique to Kazuya.

[@dkfwo21]

fightingGM always got the most obnoxious takes in this video game shits crazy, he did this too years ago when TMM posted a video abt how lee is a kazuya killer back in T7 days.. fightingGM undoubtedly great at the game but his takes are just not it fam

[@Sharkaholic1]

He's just super biased and it's hard for it not to seem disingenuous when his main argument is "I can do it must not be hard." like when he's talking about the difficulty of Mishimas back then saying they were harder when the only things given to them to make them easier apart from pure gameplay overhaul are oki attacks like steel pedal.

[@IzNebula]

I think that same video he was saying that kazuya is a strong match-up vs Lee because he can punish with PEWGF his ws2,3 for being -13. You literally can't make this shit up lmao....He can be a great Lee player, but he has no sense when it comes to understanding balance and actual difficulty of any other character than his own. He's had some really questionable takes for a long time now. Kazuya's difficulty isn't about doing wave-dash and electrics (that's child's play to people who main and actually dedicate time to the character). Kazuya's difficulty comes when it comes to having generic tekken tools, well because he doesn't really have any, such as df1 and i15 launcher. These 2 tools go a long way for a character and him lacking these tools makes his general gameplan predictable, when you fight a kazuya, you know what you're gonna be getting from him. He can snowball with his 50/50, but movement can help circumvent that and the execution required to deal with movement by changing your timing requires you to be already advanced at the game. No beginner is gonna have all of this to maximize kazuya's potential. I am speaking about this as a Lee player, it may seem like I am glazing Kazuya, but I am just speaking truthfully and based on my experience.

[@SpectralViral]

Andrew Schultz became a semi-pro Swedish Tekken player

[@DonArgus28]

LMAO now i cant unsee it

[@krprdganda4751]

This type of logic reminds me of the way some of the teachers used to talk in my school back in the day. *''What do you mean you didnt understand it? what is there to not understand? its really simple''* words from physics/math professors having 30+ years of experience on their subjects

[@omarmks6670]

That always struck my nerve. The math teachers especially Some of them have a superiority complex and get upset. When students have trouble understanding equations. That the teachers have mastered for several years -.-

[@tongpoo8985]

Shite teachers

[@SFzelus]

FightingGM comes across as smug and condescending. Big ego on this dude.

[@CouncilOfTheWolf]

Big ego but at the same time it's extremely fragile. If you say his opponent is good in his chat he'll just start talking shit and his mods will even ban you for "cheerleading the opponent."

[@kenichismith783]

literally, every video of him is just him saying how bad the other player is for playing uncoventionally.

[@BreakTheYagura]

​@@kenichismith783 not every video, he has also uploaded vids where he gives praise to the other player.

[@TheDocGreen1]

That’s why I don’t like fighting GM

[@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari]

honestly when you have the skills and experience to back it up, the smugness is earned. he's put way more time into tekken than most of us

[@Hachijo3GS]

Not even sure why GM is getting attention, this dude is so condescending and has such a huge ego. Definitely not healthy or helping the Tekken community

[@Topgamer357]

One of the best Tekken players ever. It’s obvious why.

[@drago9606]

He talks a lot of shit but he can back it up lmao

[@unspoken00]

Because if you actually watch his content and get a feeling on his personality you'll see why. He def gets a bad wrap because things get taken out of context

[@Azoedud]

Hes funny and one of the best Lee players

[@kuwaitian1579]

why would tmm waste his time reacting to this? dude just went lol dis ez the entire time and havent made a single coherent point

[@The_Buff_Guy]

This isn’t even an argument from GM. This is just him talking trash for KZbin clicks. I can’t fault the hustle, the dude deserves the views. But this video by him should NOT be taken seriously in any way.

[@Cutthroat__]

There’s something called an opinion if he thinks he easy he has a right to think that way

[@The_Buff_Guy]

@ I never said he didn’t have a right to think any which way. I said we don’t need to take this type of opinion seriously.

[@danotoo96]

I think he was intentionally overreacting to someone in his chat saying kazuya was extremely hard to play. If you ask me thats probably kind of deserved because of how some people overglorify this character. I mean nobody ever said that kazuya was an easy character out of the blue, yet I've seen countless people going out of their way to say how hard he is (basically seeking validation that they are good tekken players themselves). I've seen many videos from fightinggm and his opinions on things, im pretty sure that's not an attack on kazuya as a character.

[@The_Buff_Guy]

@ i don’t think it’s an attack on anyone. GM is a decent dude. But kazuya is difficult at beginner and intermediate due to execution and being less equipped than other characters in the neutral. And at high and pro level, he’s difficult because of his heavy inconsistency. There’s no point in time where kazuya is “easy”.

[@via_negativa6183]

Yeah he's trolling

[@emibla8571]

"thi shi hard?? shi hard??" Annoying..

[@Ti_Fire]

Very annoying. Weird ghetto persona for clicks.

[@done7216]

bro looks like the narcos cop now

[@SirBranDon24]

ThestachemanSWE patrolling the Tekken streets

[@KelScythe]

Reno 911

[@alanlegend6751]

He's Pablo himself

[@Kranker989]

I thought he looked like Andrew Schultz at first but I can see Javier in there as well lmao

[@Whyrcrying]

Dude was violated by Kazuya's 50/50. He sounds hurt lmao.

[@Ittakesfinesse]

Kazuya heat is nasty but if you tell a BEGINNER to pick up Kazuya for the first time as their first character they will hate tekken lol. Electrics, wavu, wavu into wr2 is not easy to do. Especially when it’s supposed to be clean and fast.

[@MunirMengal-kx7gi]

So true I picked kazuya from the get go and at the start ranked was literally hell for me 💀

[@JonathonTheAsshole]

Wavedash into wr2 is a very yolo thing to do in the first place and you probably want to remove it from your general game plan except occasionally on very hard reads or risks to make a come back. You have a safe mid launcher already you don't need to poke or mix with an unsafe launch punishable one that was designed as a punisher only.

[@revleckbendon2745]

Been playing Kaz since Tekken 7 dropped and I have never been able to nail the wavu into seamless WR2. It's so clean and every now and then it comes out but, man, I'm still trying to nail 132 microdash into WR twin pistons, some of these inputs windows are so excruciating

[@Ali-j1m8u]

bro I still can't do iws2 lmao I've played 1300-1500-ish matches with kazuya by now. I'm at battle ruler. I played 150 with clive and got to fujin. I love both characters but the difference was hilarious to me.

[@harpot678]

Honestly you can probably craft a very very simplistic gameplan for new Kazuya players and it wouldn't be that hard to win in low ladder and start climbing

[@legendofsonic3979]

Tmm looking like he starts every convo with "I need you step out of your vehicle sir"

[@theperfectpour]

This guy's favorite move is punching down.

[@josuemanuelcastilloreinoso292]

dick jab is an amazing move

[@OneHundredSlayer]

His wavu sucks, the way he does it and his ewgf looked like he will never land that in ranking 😂 that lowkey fraud

[@justinmorsheim3942]

Yeah TMM was very graceful when he said "that's a good wavedash", it was absolutely terrible, Mishima mains in purple ranks have better wavedashes. That's not to say that GM couldn't have a very good wavedash with a little bit of practice, but it just made him look foolish.

[@OneHundredSlayer]

„Graceful“ yeah definitely… btw the guy looks like Neon 😂

[@angel2x813]

He is the best Lee of all time he really don’t play mishimas

[@OneHundredSlayer]

@@angel2x813 mhm maybe, but downplaying something he himself is trash at or doesn’t have much practice with is still does not go well

[@hobobox]

​@@angel2x813 It's almost like he shouldn't talk about shit he doesn't understand.

[@rcurl44]

GM sounds annoying af

[@Hachijo3GS]

THANK YOU

[@Cartillax]

he's fun as hell to watch actually

[@MrSamuelAdam4]

He is. He's plays the victim all the time & he has scammed people in the past.

[@Jygg414g]

@@Cartillax he's fun to watch because his Lee is probably the best in the world but sometimes cannot stand the stuff he says, as a Lee main it is an unfortunate reality so I just watch miirio instead.

[@funkrates4778]

@@MrSamuelAdam4he’s addressed that. It’s a false rumor.

[@andyboots_acta7838]

Nobody huffs their own farts more than Kazuya players when it comes to glazing how hard their character is… That being said, he’s definitely a harder character to master, and denying that makes you either clueless or disingenuous, at best. FGM has always had a big mouth, and doesn’t really deserve this kind of attention. He was never looking for a real conversation on the matter.

[@nobydi8460]

Im a kazuya main, and i have to agree with you. People do get too dramatic about his difficulty, yes he is hard to pilot correctly, but some act like you have to sell your soul to play him properly. With enough practice anyone can play him, just have to be willing to put in the effort needed to reach that point. But saying Kazuya is easy ( referring to gm) is also dishonest and spreads misinformation.

[@FightingFoxTK]

TMM with the logic. Kazuya has never been conceptually difficult, however, his best stuff is slow and needs to be placed well in order to win. Compare that to say a Raven or Alisa that can just throw something out seemingly at random, and it will work. Note that GM didn't then go online with Kazuya. He just talked shit about how easy it was to do an ewgf and ff2...

[@nobydi8460]

I agree, if you are going to show he is easy don't just sit in practice mode. Just comes off as rage bait.

[@ciscorey6520]

@@FightingFoxTK there’s no way anyone who knows anything about playing Raven thinks this is true. He sits at the bottom of everyone’s tier list and has some of the worst/most unconventional tools in the game. Is he a scrub killer? Yes. A character that can win at a high level just by being random? Absolutely not. Very few of his setups are genuinely safe. His frame traps require his back to be turned and often his only defense is a pre-emptive parry that can also be baited.

[@jandipopo_art2012]

His gameplan is easy to understand and has some execution (you can opt to not do the difficult of the difficult execution and still make him work). What's hard for Kazuya is fucking winning lmao. Literal 50/50s. Let's go Gambling.

[@superdupeninja8149]

You can play keep out with Kazuya but the requires knowledge of the cast to effectively block/whiff punish

[@afroraykun]

Every time I see a MainMan thumbnail recently I do a double take at the moustache. Bro going full Waluigi and just doesn't care.

[@BezimiennyMarcel]

I think Bryan is controversial for two main reasons. He has a high skill ceiling but his skill floor is not as high as someone like Kazuya. Bryan has crazy buttons, amazing counter hits and crazy damage, you don't need to learn how to Taunt Jet Upper to get a decent rank. Secondly Bryan while being fairly difficult to master he's also crazy strong, like arguably Top5 currently, whereas someone like Steve or Devil Jin while being difficult to play optimally they are also below average in strength

[@1000Blaze]

Bryan is harder than kazuya for me at least

[@doctorpebba]

When I wanna get into tekken but the entire US tekken scene is like this

[@giulio6232]

As a newbie T8 player (played tekken3 and tekken5 back in the days just button mashing) and a Kazuya lover, i dont see how he is easy to play. I am a beginner, so i have to learn proper KBD, wavedash, optimal combos (which require an absurd amount of training), how to use at best efficiency my 50/50, general movements with attacks like ss electric, and all the other things Tekken requires you to learn (for instance, match ups).. How is it possible to believe Kazuya is easy? 99% of the tekken community knows Kazuya matchup cuz he is probably top2 most popular character, everyone knows everything about what i am trying to do and how in matches, so to be honest i strongly disagree with this statement

[@ant_989]

You can say the same about every other character you consider "easy" or "scrub". The problem is you wouldn't even understand half the things people who play those characters would say. You understand the basics of Kazuya so you think he's got "a lot" to master but the reality is, it's not much more than any other specialist character.

[@stanisawbury7842]

The hardest thing in playing Kazuya is that in lot of matchups you are forced to play defensive and defensive playstyle is the hardest thing in this game. You can play like monkey Law spamming strings and reach high ranks, but you can't get away with that shit with Kazuya. You just can't spam that much with this character.

[@MegaBat91]

Man, this gm guy sounds like a real ass. I know I'll be avoiding all his content should i accidentally run into it in the future.

[@TheLinktothepast123]

I'm incredibly thankful for your keen awareness and intelligence. Even after years of playing, you still understand newer Kazuya players. It's apparent that FightingGM misses out on some key aspects, which makes your awareness even more special. As an average blue rank Kazuya player, it’s reassuring to know that someone like you recognizes our challenges. It isn't always easy, but your understanding makes a big difference.

[@er0zz1]

Good or bad I always respect Kazuya players because it takes a lot of practice to do the things they do. edit: Experience and unexperienced is the right words.

[@somesandman8328]

I never hated playing this game more than playing with Kazuya

[@Pavidota]

The "execution" of mishimas is like learning to ride a bike, once you've spent just a few hours learning how to ewgf and wavedash it becomes second nature. I started playing tekken when lidia released in tekken 7 and didn't touch a mishima in 7, in 8 I started playing reina and sat in training mode for an hour or two before I did my first electric and after 5 hours I'm cranking out electrics like it's nothing. I didn't play tekken for 8 months at this point and there's not a doubt in my mind that I could boot up tekken and do 10 electrics in a row on either side The "hard" part of kazuya isn't just the execution(other than pewgf), it's applying it in realtime in an actual match, especially in 8 where you're kinda just up against he wall blocking in 20 second segments at a time. Me knowing how to execute electrics doesn't give me any knowledge at all when it comes to when to apply the 50/50 for example

[@Ali-j1m8u]

well it definitely takes more than a few hours especially for a true beginner. Which my entire friend group was, 3 mishima players and welp lets just say it took time. Now its second nature though, ironically harder for me to punish with df2 with clive and with kazuya neuron activated dorya

[@kronksstronkstonks6360]

Like someone in chat said; Its like a really buff guy showing off at the gym. Picking up heavy weights and mocking those who can't becasue its easy for him - "look at how easy it is for me to lift these, this is hard for you? Nah get out of here." and its hard to respect such a take honestly. As much as I'd disagree with the take of Kazuya being easy, I could still respect the opinion of him being pretty priveledged in heat for exmaple, thanks to his fantastic tracking and terrifying mixup, as well as his ability to kill in 2 combos if optimal and getting the wall. Instead this has no critical thinking, it reads more like GM got annoyed by an obnoxious chatter and so was deliberately reductive to trigger them. Incredibly biased and individual take that doesn't at all take into account the general playerbase, nor does he touch upon the difficulty of applying a risky 50/50 at higher ranks, the lack of fast safe mids outside of IWS4 and df4, the massive matchup knowledge requirements needed to not get melted by pressure and gimmicks (as well as complete throw break comfortability needed to prevent defence falling apart to throws, which massively disrupts your ability to observe your opponents offensive habits) and ignores Kaz's intense need for fundamental comfortability, especially movement and timing. Respectably good player, dismissably dishonest take.

[@Tekkenawi]

In my opinion the hardest thing with kazuya is punishing stuff less than - 15 like - 14 or - 13 with an electric

[@v.m.6549]

Simple ≠ Easy

[@TheMilkManSL]

I believe it was jmCrofts who is an expert in a gigantic array of fighting games who tried doing the hardest video game inputs in fighting games. he was able to do many insane inputs but taunt to jet upper and DF2 to PEWGF were too difficult for him after hours. Also by tone, I'm assuming he's just upset about people saying Kazuya is difficult constantly, which is understandable is people are bragging about how difficult their character is, but when you're a professional at Tekken, I'd like to think you could play him to a fairly good degree.

[@ResinaNoRyu]

It is hard if you think Kazuya has no guard break, no throwgame, no evasive/fast recovery moves, No powercrush heat engagers…and all of his 50/50s gets him -39749 on block. It’s not about the input, it’s about the amount of crap all of the other characters have in T8.

[@shamms9249]

the thing about kazuya isn’t JUST execution, it’s utilizing that execution in an actual match where you are getting poked to hell and back when you have the worst poking in the game, sure you can electric, but can you electric whiff punish on reaction? can you do double electric after reacting? how are you going to adjust when they don’t respect your frames or wavedash? how do you adjust when your oki is stuffed out immediately and you have to wavedash block. do you give up oki (your best asset) playing safe or do you risk it and potentially lose half life if they get up a certain way or guess right. the hard part of kazuya isn’t really his execution but the fact that you have to rely on slower than average normals other than devil fist and jab which is your only “poke” along with your heavy damaging whiff punishers requiring strict execution on reaction

[@rin2012]

been playing tekken now for 3 months on exclusively mishimas (2 weeks jin, 2 months reina, now 2 weeks devil jin) and i can say it's def not easy to pick up and play (except jin) i've practised electrics for maybe 2 hours a day every time i play and i can do them semi-consistently in the lab, but very inconsistently in the match and i've put in hella time working on it. Working on learning wavu but that's not super easy if you've never tried it before sequencing crouchdashes that fast. now with devil jin i'm learning negative edge and crouchdash cancel. these characters are sick as hell but definitely not easy to pickup for someone new to tekken

[@DreadPyke]

Very measures take from TMM, great response honestly. Comes across much more classier than GM's outburst.

[@Gin-sy8du]

Also the same gm that said kazuya is really good cuz he can punish -13 with electric

[@CouncilOfTheWolf]

GM thinks you're shit if you're not a pro. Like someone with 10 years of experience that is decent is at the same level of someone that has played 3 months, and that level is shit.

[@hugoaltaie9801]

FightingGM is one of those rare egomaniac troll lords like LowTierGod except in his case, he happens to actually be REALLY good at the game. A shame really, I enjoy watching his gameplay a lot but the constant flaming and disrespect to his opponents makes it a bit annoying. Regardless though, I seriously doubt this video of his was meant to be taken seriously, he didn't even make any points or discussion. He just went "OMG DIS SHIT HARD TO YOU?? IT AIN'T HARD TO ME THO???" for 15 minutes. in my opinion: Harder to master: Kazuya Harder to win with: Lee

[@TheR1zzard0f0z]

He gives a lot of really good information. Just wrapped in ultra toxic vibes. It's unfortunate because your only other option is PhiDX for that type of informational breakdown video.

[@brownhomosaipien7950]

Everytime I hit a wr 2 on kazuya my jimmies for some reason get completely drenched. I cant help it.

[@Ali-j1m8u]

neither can i...

[@Werdumed]

FightingGM has the takes of a garyu, but because he's a high rank he's fine to say it

[@Beenyad]

First of all, nice pfp. Second of all, he's not just a high rank he's probably the best Lee player there ever was and one of the best US players ever.

[@Werdumed]

@@Beenyad So, he's a high rank? you can be all of those 5 years ago and be scrub now, he's a high rank player

[@Blasarius0]

@@Werdumed Not even 5 years ago. He didn't do anything in tekken 7. He's an old pro, online warrior since a long time now.

[@Chaoblahippo]

@@Werdumed no lol he beat Arslan. You can't beat arslan and be a scrub

[@TheDreadNecromancer]

One thing I disagree with is Kazaa does in fact have one damn good panic button, D 1+2 is a move I missed when I started playing other characters.

[@hobobox]

Unironically his scrubbiest move and as a Kaz main I hope it becomes launch punishable in S2.

[@Superfoodcookie]

Lol that's classed as a reactable move. Definitely not due for nerf

[@hobobox]

@@Superfoodcookie It's widely considered one of Kaz's best buttons and is extremely hard to react to, especially online. It's a high-crushing low counter-hit launcher *that doesn't use bound,* has good tracking and is only -14. Not to mention he can fake it if he reads you're going to block it and twin piston or ws1+2 you instead. It's going to get nerfed, and rightfully so. It's almost as good as Scourge.

[@jenpachi2408]

​@@hoboboxit's reactable it's not getting nerfed and the combos from it are already nerfed compared to t7 it's super slow it's only a good panic move if you're opponent is bum rushing you ultra aggressively df2 Is a better panic move in that regard

[@hobobox]

@@jenpachi2408 Sure buddy.

[@DarkLess89X]

kazuya can control the game with 3 or 4 broken moves, the most difficult thing is at the level of manual skill to maximize damage but I don't see him as a difficult character in t8

[@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ]

Upload a vid where you win with these 4 moves against a pro player with good anti Mishima gameplay. Can't wait.

[@darkninja9499]

​@@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ get ready to wait an eternity.

[@DarkLess89X]

@ here he comes the smart guy. you don't need a gameplay meme from me, I'm a tekken king meme not a mishima player, so where is the solution? you just have to watch Keisuke play the best Kazuya in the world, a few moves well used and he can destroys anyone. ff2 (safe, mid, launcher on heat) EWGF hellsweep cd1+2 (mid, +5 on block) Just by using these 4 moves well you can put anyone in difficulty and if you really want, you can use even db1,2 (i13 frame mid, punish, wall game oki) df2 (i14, mid, -12 on block, traking) db4 b2+1 (mid, heat, safe, evasive) "4 moves against a pro player with good anti Mishima gameplay" as I said, if you use them well it means you use them with the right timing.

[@Fatdog22]

that’s the issue you guys look at it from high lvl players pov who know the matchup to a tea you can easily steamroll a casual player with kazuya without even knowing how to do electrics and wave dash cancelling

[@Zante7774]

He has some scary moves but he's certainly not easy, the electric is still one of the hardest moves in the game to master.

[@1ne_Eyed_King]

Something I like about tmm is despite some of the out of pocket jokes he makes, he's actually pretty wise when it comes to thoughtful discussions that may be more nuanced than one might think at a surface level, and you get to see that in instances like these I can really appreciate that with how the tekken community is like right now, it's always nice to see people actually be rational

[@WaspGenocide]

I'm not gonna lie: While I agree with MainMan in this video, it is kinda fun to see the Kaz players clutch their pearls and get mad at the Kazuya slander when they themselves (or at least TMM and his fans) are so quick to shit on everyone else's character and call them trash, easy to pick up, etc. Maybe a bit of karma finally coming their way? Also, GM's point about T6,5,4 Kaz being harder than T8 Kaz still stands.

[@shagoremagala]

Tbh that’s the real issues that always arises with this type of stuff. Like Tekken in general is a hard game, getting good with any character is difficult purely off of the amount of effort and skill it takes. Sure some take more effort than others but its hard regardless. I play Kaz, I love wavedashing and EWGF might just be my favorite button in any FG but I’m not gonna sit here and whine about character difficulty like some way to validate myself because ultimately that does literally nothing to make me any better lmao I do wish the community as a whole werent so hard pressed on character choices because I do feel like out of any FG community I’ve seen Tekkens has the most ppl that hard focus on what someone plays. Also I do feel like it is objectively easy to say older versions of him are harder FF2 and CD1+2 help him so much in this game neutral-wise. T8 is kinda like that overall where I feel some characters are much easier in this game than older versions. Bryan imo is one of those because I feel like qcb+1 and qcf1+2 do for him similar things that FF2 and CD1+2 do for Kaz

[@Cutthroat__]

Its the fgc community bro these dudes are a bunch of hypocrites and crybabies and when someone downgrades their character they get butthurt

[@krisztianfrandsen8780]

its all about intention. Theres a difference in saying " i dont think this character is hard" and saying " you think this is hard???? you think this is hard???. the intent here is clear as day. its the feeling of being called bad and indirectly also being called noob, its just the way it is. its why people get mad about the whole slander stuff its the intention behind most slander against ones character usually stems from deeper issues with said person. I believe in most cases the slander is also directed at the very people playing the "easy or hard" character so yeah it gets real personal fast when people dont think about how they approach a topic about what someone else values.

[@Rius9106]

​@@krisztianfrandsen8780kazuya mains got to taste their own medicine. I thought you guys liked being the big guys when you were slandering almost everyone else, now you are all so butthurt. Saying stupid things feels stupid and makes you look stupid, maybe the kazuya mains learned the lesson now.

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

Funny thing is most ppl here aren't kazuya mains. GMs takes are just that bad 😂

[@aqueelkadri8371]

I love TMM's eyebrows that he's grown above his lips

[@hightierscrub7166]

He does say in another video(or maybe the uncut version of the vid is), that he doesn’t believe Kaz needs fundamentals because his entire gameplan is a 50/50 Putting people in a blender isn’t considered skill to him

[@shagoremagala]

I guess we just don’t factor how Kazuya’s supposed to access said 50/50’s lmao-and with that logic it also means 80% of the cast just dont require fundamentals since so many of them have 50/50’s you can just win rounds with

[@superdupeninja8149]

@@shagoremagalabut that’s what a lot of smaller tekken content creators think. They think Tekken 8 is a scrubby game

[@shagoremagala]

@I do hope Season 2 shakes things up because even though I disagree I know that sentiment is just a byproduct of too many of the character’s kits currently. A lot of decision making offensively is super straightforward on the top tiers while the defensive counterplay needs some fine tuning. The big things for me rn personally is Heat Bursts should just lose tracking entirely and I want them to try to fix Heat Engagers having ridiculous realignment. Also please just give us the old backdash. The game’s systems would still keep their desire for the aggression that T7 was hostile towards even if we have the same movement so there’s no reason for us to just not have said movement-also simply because it doesnt make sense to me going to a decades old game like T5 and feeling the smoothness that game has in comparison to the new one thats supposed to be polished.

[@hightierscrub7166]

@@shagoremagala He made a list of everyone who requires fundamentals Lee Lars Jack Steve Drag Bryan Feng Nina Leo Law Shaheen Azu Paul Zafina Heihachi

[@hobobox]

​@@hightierscrub7166 >Lars requires fundamentals So he's just a professional clown

[@GarzaTheFather]

That’s what I’ve noticed about elite players when they say something is easy but it’s not easy for a lot of the other people in the community. It’s usually because they have no social awareness and they don’t realize how good they are or they think a lot of people are on their level or could learn at the same pace that they can

[@ghani-k]

mustache 🧭🧭🧭

[@Shibu_PL]

Pdf file vibes 😂

[@ghani-k]

@@Shibu_PL we love a pedostache

[@ag_abdulaziz7153]

Oh my Lost judgment GOAT. I didn't know you play Tekken.

[@ghani-k]

@@ag_abdulaziz7153 I'm not too good at it but yeah I do!

[@ghani-k]

@@ag_abdulaziz7153 im all about Tekken

[@MastaBroshiX]

As an absolute shitter I think fragile egos are the bane of Tekken whether the ego is "earned and warranted" or not

[@camodeano3003]

Casual players don’t exist in fightinggm’s elitist Tekken eyes 💀

[@JustN0tMe]

The difficulty comes from the execution... He probably has the easiest gameplan in the game Edit: Yes, I do agree with the predictability point...the thing is, most of Kaz's moves cause KND and that resets the Wortex. Even if the mixup is just 2 or 3 moves(now he has a homing from Wavedash, even though he doesn't need it). The true mixup from the Wortex is the timing mixup...but that's my opinion 😅

[@Superfoodcookie]

Thank you for your very minority opinion that you're entitled do. Unfortunately 9/10 disagree and the stats show it. Pro players don't want to touch him during TWT we saw 1 Kaz who lives and breathes Kaz every day and out as a main and 1 steve whos also the same. The rest were drag, Nina, Jin etc . Kaz is classed as difficult to master by most high tier players. The top 4 hardest to rank still is, Steve, Bryan, Kaz and devil Jin. Devil jin is only on that list due to his lack of good moves. Otherwise it might be Lee instead.

[@omarmks6670]

Codename kids next door Iykyk

[@artembochkarev6285]

@@Superfoodcookie Pro players dont like to play casino characters. They like to play fundmental characters with good poking and movement. Their fundamentals are so good and they want to capitalize it in safe manner, not relying on casino style of Kazuya. Its not about difficult to master, its about randomness and casino core of the character.

[@JustN0tMe]

​​@@SuperfoodcookiePro players don't play him because most aren't Kaz mains and because there are other stronger characters to use.😅 All the Bryan, Kaz and DvJ mains you see in these tournaments are people that main these characters(many are loyalists). If Kaz was busted, most would use him... The one factor that makes people not use execution heavy characters in tournaments is because it's hard to keep good execution in a high stress environment, for long periods of time and the fact that you really don't have time to warm up...but again, we are only focusing on execution Edit: As a Bryan main, I need to say...Lee is harder

[@Splinnee]

why does he hate the character so much what a man child lol

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

TMM should customize his Kazuya with a mustache now.

[@hands-ongaming7180]

Average kaz downplay

[@ant_989]

Kazuya is super easy compared to Reina. You're using max 6 moves and the only difficult part is, making them extremally fast. That's it. That's all you have to do in order to rank fast. No stances, no other difficult to master tech. And he's got absolutely insane Heat. Incredible d/f+2, super fast, mid, CH launcher for million damage + heat activation in combo into great wall carry into steel pedal into vortex (most likely HS or TP).

[@Nimrod336]

Im a lee main so I heard about Gm went to his channel to learn..mms, I learned more about lee from watching you than I ever could from that guy. He's super rude and the advice he gives is "man just do this,you dumb" I unsubscribed and just went and found someone else lil majin was also good to learn from..gm is so idk how to put it but he was just talking trash the whole time I felt he was very immature

[@C4M3R0N03]

GM sounded a lot like LTG but the difference was that he is somewhat decent at the game but still just as toxic

[@TheVibeFu]

TMM went to the character customization shop

[@CertifiedMVP]

"It's da fightin' GM with da joint, ya hear?" kkekekekekekhhh

[@Emperor-Soul]

What I found even more ridiculous than his statements is someone at FightingGM’s age still articulating themselves like a adolescent.

[@Blasarius0]

I don't think he's well educated.

[@Jimmysim-rq9vl]

i still remember the struggle and the despair trying to understand how to do electrics, and all mishima shenanigans

[@Mahamaru]

Calling Kaz ez in practice mode is like saying motorcycling at 60mph is ez when you're on a bike with train--my b. Practice wheels

[@_vibe_check_]

“this shit real hard to do” *drops every other electric* lmao yeah looks like it actually is bro

[@rvmember-740]

Kazuya, Heihachi and Lee are probably the hardest charackters to play

[@michska53]

steve

[@rvmember-740]

@michska53 yaa Steve too

[@ignaultorance1059]

LOL

[@EdR-bu2sm]

Lee is ez af bro

[@danhonorem]

Personally I find Hwoarang (and Lee) much harder to play than any mishimas.

[@justmonika733]

Calling GM a pro player today is a huge stretch. Dude hasn't left his home to go play in a tournament in eons last I checked

[@GamingNine1Kid]

he would destory you and 99% of the online playerbase sit down.

[@RaijinDestroyer]

« Me reacting to TMM reacting to me » video incoming

[@somwelch9776]

This aged well

[@Lowly_Tarnished]

I use Kazuya at low level (Mighty Ruler for now), he's a strong character, 100%, but nowhere near easy. Now my main, Asuka (Fujin) is 100% easy, the only hard thing with her is stopping being too flowcharty and learn to play better to win. Kazuya has real execution behind him. GM saying wavedashing is easy is like a billionaire telling you it's really easy to get rich, the guy has spent most of his life playing Tekken and can't understand "normal people" are having a hard time doing it

[@Fatherless_boy]

I took me a week just trying to get one electric out. Kazuya ain’t easy so win with he has an easy gameplay but his move list is so predictable

[@emptea4437]

getting bombarded by knowledge checks is something everyone has to deal with regardless what character you play. Whatever your gameplan as a character is, ideally it probably doesn't revolve around getting beat up all day long. Things like motion inputs, wavedash etc. are a step up in difficulty from Alisa or Clive but it's nothing the average Tenryu player couldn't wrap their head around. The REALLY execution heavy stuff is almost completely unnecessary. Keisuke placed second at CEO while going for PEWGF every time he got CH df2 and dropping it every single time so clearly you don't need it to do well with the character. The only real quantifiable metric of character difficulty is "how hard is it to win with your character compared to others at your skill level?" By that metric Leroy, Lars, Asuka or Raven are all harder than Kazuya, Bryan or Reina at nearly all skill levels.

[@daarkengeist]

GM is hella obnoxious

[@lostintheflurry]

The first part of gm's video was a list of who requires fundamentals and gives more context to why is doing this

[@REPHLEX94]

fighting gm is kind of a clown

[@UnUltimatedLink]

Can't expect anyone who plays Tekken to have any type of social awareness. MMSWE is the exception. Dude's a whole dad and can speak with depth and education. Everyone else lives in their mom's basement and looks like they haven't touched a barbell in their life. This is the equivalent to a 225 lb gym jocky making fun of anyone for not being able to throw up 3 plates on bench.

[@cocosdad]

TMM = TheMustacheMan

[@Chaaderbox]

Just Frame Hwoarang Player here, Kazuya is hard as shit

[@aedantuffin4365]

Best Tekken commentator. Always talking about others in the scene with respect and no bias even when down talking your main.

[@Sadbringer]

Oh no it's gonna be a shitfest now cuz GM will feel the NEED to answer that video.

[@nosochkii]

Fightinggm is such a whiner lmao, every clip of him is just the same

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

After picking up Clive after coming from Lidia, one thing i've seen from playing and watching that while the simple characters are fun to learn the game with that they are nowhere as rewarding as the harder to play characters.

[@JoeNeutrino]

Is this ninja serious?

[@vaibhavsrivastava9417]

I'm learning Kazuya for the first time, doing double electrics consistently is an absolute struggle for me, landing it as a 15f punishment seems like a dream to me at the moment.

[@Ti_Fire]

What controller/set up do you use?

[@ThisIsNotSGHNTZ]

I have really good electrics, I still miss ewgf punish even at -17 sometimes. It's a thing every Kazuya main can feel deeply in their anu... I mean heart. I play him since I was like idk, 16 yo? So I have 7 years in Kaz and I still struggling. That's what this GM guy don't understand I guess.

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

Yeah let's be real 15f punish with an electric ain't happening for u bud. Maybe in 10 years.

[@vaibhavsrivastava9417]

@@whydoyoukeeptalking I've been playing Kazuya for 1 week. Thanks for the heads up.

[@vaibhavsrivastava9417]

@@Ti_Fire I have an Xbox controller

[@flar28]

its like if ltg had some confidence and skill, not healthy.

[@mud43031]

No lmao 😅

[@witchblade8595]

Mainman? ye he is

[@bigfelig64]

@@witchblade8595 fightinggm is much more disingenuous and toxic than tmm is. (and yes he's obviously more skilled but that's irrelevant to attitude)