NOLLY vs WARREN - The DRUM Recording Shootout with Free MULTITRACKS

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Produce Like A Pro

Produce Like A Pro

Күн бұрын

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@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Who recorded your favourite drum sound? Check out Nolly's New DRUM Recording Course at Kohle Audio Kult here: www.kohleaudiokult.com/courses/Nolly Download Nolly and Warren’s Full Drum Multitracks here: producelikeapro.lpages.co/getgood-drum-multitracks-form/
@MrMusic-nd5to
@MrMusic-nd5to 8 ай бұрын
Both sound great but I prefer Warren's because it takes advantage of the room sound. What would John Bonham’s drums be without the stairwell at Headley Grange, on Led Zeppelin, When the Levee Breaks? I LOVE when engineers take advantage of the environment they're recording in. It makes the performance special and showcases the signature sound of the studio. In other words, you can't get that exact sound anywhere else. AWESOME VIDEO!!! 🥁🎶🎹🎶🎸
@williamtell1477
@williamtell1477 8 ай бұрын
"Bay-tuh 91" lmao :)
@PabloBarraSaa
@PabloBarraSaa 8 ай бұрын
Waiting for those one shot samples!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
@@MrMusic-nd5to Thanks! You can download both the multi tracks and mix them for yourself! Nolly and I both used the staircase mic, in the board mix you hear from tracking I pushed the staircase mic heavier!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
@@williamtell1477 Bee Tuh and Bay Tut! Although of course being an American mic it;s most likely Bay Tuh! Ha Just like Beyerdynamic is Buy Yuh Dynamic not Bay Yuh Dynamic! Ha
@DanielKomarek
@DanielKomarek 20 күн бұрын
42:58 Warren‘s Mic Setup 43:45 Warren‘s Overheads 53:12 Warren‘s Ride Mic 55:00 Josephson Tom Mics 1:01:30 Warren‘s Kick Mics 1:05:24 Warren‘s Snare Mics 1:14:25 Warren‘s Stereo Ribbon 1:16:36 Warren‘s Wall Mics 1:21:14 Warren‘s not used Room Mics 1:21:50 Hansa inspired room mics 1:22:25 Dave Jerden‘s Hihat mics 1:26:50 Warren‘s cymbal mic 1:34:45 Warren‘s drum set review 2:16:10 Nolly‘s Drum Setup Playback
@AdamStachelek
@AdamStachelek 8 ай бұрын
This might be the best drum recording video you've ever done Warren, or maybe the best one ever. Two absolute masters shooting the shit about the intricacies of recording a kit. I'm estimating I'll watch this one at least 10 times to get all the nuggets from it. Cheers for an incredible bit of learning
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Wow! Thanks ever so much Adam! That really means a lot!
@mwdollar
@mwdollar 6 ай бұрын
Yeah it's gold
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 6 ай бұрын
@@mwdollar thanks ever so much!!
@PresentDayProduction
@PresentDayProduction 7 ай бұрын
This is quite simply one of the best videos EVER posted on KZbin. The knowledge and experience shared is second to none, both approaches work in their own way, but it’s the TON of information imparted so very well that makes it so special. Fantastic video!!❤❤❤
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you! That is VERY kind of you! And, it means a lot coming from you guys!! Thank YOU ever so much!
@mwdollar
@mwdollar 6 ай бұрын
Agreed...this is gold
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 6 ай бұрын
@@mwdollar thanks ever so much!
@KohleAudioKult
@KohleAudioKult 8 ай бұрын
This was so much fun. Great to see the video is finally out!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! You rock my friend!!
@alrecks619
@alrecks619 8 ай бұрын
Nolly is such a breath of fresh air in the Metal production community, he understands the importance of building solid rhythmic foundation with the bass and drum tones he's known for, when you consider that he's originally being a guitarist himself.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
We are HUGE fans of Nolly's!
@legacyShredder1
@legacyShredder1 7 ай бұрын
Dude, Nolly is a great interviewer. He's asking fantastic questions when breaking down Warren's drum setup.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Yes! We are definitely doing more of these together!
@fuzzylogickben
@fuzzylogickben 6 ай бұрын
​@@Producelikeaproyes please!
8 ай бұрын
I love how Nolly's down to earth and Warren feels like a kid in a candyshop, love you guys (and Kristian too)
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@HangtheTyants
@HangtheTyants 8 ай бұрын
Warren: live Nolly: isolated. Both are great for different reasons.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Aw shucks!! Thanks ever so much
@HangtheTyants
@HangtheTyants 8 ай бұрын
@@Producelikeapro love ya, Warren! You produced my parents’ favorite records and nolly our generation. We always look to the past for wisdom. No shame from your gen of producers!
@spitfiremusic3997
@spitfiremusic3997 8 ай бұрын
@@HangtheTyants your parents were fans of the Fray?
@HangtheTyants
@HangtheTyants 7 ай бұрын
Not to be a turd, but if you like metal please give my band a listen. Open to all comments! Thank you! Much love!
@HangtheTyants
@HangtheTyants 7 ай бұрын
@@spitfiremusic3997 I think everyone enjoyed the fray in the mid 00’s
@AdamSoucyDrums
@AdamSoucyDrums 8 ай бұрын
My god, just absolutely ridiculously well recorded drums on both counts! Nolly’s tracks all fit together so well that they already sound mixed, and Warren’s have so much life and character with every channel adding a little something-something in addition to the main thing it’s capturing. Unbelievably cool
@spitfiremusic3997
@spitfiremusic3997 8 ай бұрын
Very well said
@billyhughes9776
@billyhughes9776 8 ай бұрын
This kind of video is my happy place. I just finished the Nolly Drum course via Kristian's academy and submitted my mix today. I will be downloading these tracks as well. Thanks Warren and Nolly!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
That is awesome! Thanks ever so much!
@djdanger9812
@djdanger9812 8 ай бұрын
This is awesome! This should become a series! Not just drums but guitars and bass cab micing. Engineer x Engineer. Good work fellas!
@blankspace0000
@blankspace0000 Ай бұрын
Nolly is so insanely knowledgeable that it's easy to forget he ALSO played bass and toured with Periphery for years. What a crazy awesome career.
@RainbowRadioLab
@RainbowRadioLab Ай бұрын
Warren says it's "all about the source..." Absolutely! These tracks were an absolute pleasure to mix. Had to wrestle with even adding reverb on the snare, room mics made the kit huge. Great insights with the two of you talking. Thanks fellas!
@CreativeMindsAudio
@CreativeMindsAudio 8 ай бұрын
Warren's is super live for better or worse, but personally i don't think it fit the song as good as nolly's, which was focused and tight with just the right amount of room sound. Nolly's felt like it was already mixed. Gonna have to watch this over several sessions.
@metalpuppet5798
@metalpuppet5798 8 ай бұрын
Yeah. The first thing I thought right when the video started was "holy ...room mics" lol
@CreativeMindsAudio
@CreativeMindsAudio 8 ай бұрын
@@metalpuppet5798 haha right?! Exactly! If you are going for that sound amazing! Felt very late 80s/early 90s in a lot of the best ways. Of course this song felt like a modern pop punk sorta vibe. Just doesn’t fit as well. Now I have no idea if the drums were mixed in post or if this was just raw with the track. I’m only like 10 minutes into the video and gotta take care of some business for the next few hours.
@KratosIsSick
@KratosIsSick 8 ай бұрын
Nah, prefer the breathing drum kit way more than stuck up sound. Fits the guitars perfectly. The other one sounds like a remix.
@ghastlyshimmer
@ghastlyshimmer 8 ай бұрын
Fucking love nolly's mix. Very fitting. The raw tones sounds incredible too.
@andreisidro6544
@andreisidro6544 8 ай бұрын
Actually I think Warren's can easily be turned into a Foo Fighters type of sound. You'll need to do a bit of parallel compression to bring out the close mics and what not, but they already have so much personality that with fairly standard mixing techniques you can achieve a pretty unique drum sound. Nolly's sound more "balanced" overall, but also a bit boring maybe? You can do great work with both approaches regardless
@SoundKilterStudio
@SoundKilterStudio 8 ай бұрын
Wow! This was one of the best drum production videoa Ive ever seen. Its like technique, philosophy and idea overload! But in my humble opinion I think there isnt one that is better than the other. For what I like and am hearing they are both absolutely great drum recordings but they both belong to different genres. Which was totally expected to me. Warren captured an AMAZING pop rock/classic rock drum sound to where Nolly got an AMAZING modern rock/metal sound. Not that Warrens couldnt be used on a modern rock song. When I hear them back-to-back for some reason I picture Warren's as the Valhalla Vintage Verb 70's setting and Nolly's as the Modern setting. 😂 Thank you both so very much! You are both incredible.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Wow! Thanks ever so much I really appreciate it! Marvellous comment!
@uriel-heavensguardian8949
@uriel-heavensguardian8949 8 ай бұрын
The drummer is dope!!!!! He killed that performance ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
@JordonBeal
@JordonBeal 8 ай бұрын
Nolly is an absolute sweetheart and amazing person along with being an incredible engineer. I had the honor of working with him on two projects, and the guy is just THE BEST.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much for sharing Jordan!
@OliverShillito
@OliverShillito 8 ай бұрын
It's my first time being able to examine the raw tracks off them Josephson's and my god how good they are. The toms sound almost finished before you've even touched them. No wonder they are so expensive. They sound amazing!!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Glad you like them! We love them too!
@TheYeqy
@TheYeqy 8 ай бұрын
When Warren said "I can't stand that sound" talking about the snare bottom mic, I really felt that 🥰🥰🥰
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Haha thanks! I’ll have to go back and remember what context that was in
@TheYeqy
@TheYeqy 8 ай бұрын
@@Producelikeapro hahahahaha, always a gentleman! ❤️
@dirkchurlish4074
@dirkchurlish4074 8 ай бұрын
warren full drum mix 2:09:35 adam full drum mix 2:16:16
@tomhigham88
@tomhigham88 7 ай бұрын
I don’t even record drums but I love the craft of it all and this is by far the most informative and interesting and down to earth drum recording video on KZbin. Regardless of genre you can learn SO much from this just from all the side comments. Brilliant stuff guys.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it!
@joshuaagron9693
@joshuaagron9693 8 ай бұрын
Ive been following Nolly for years now. Its so awesome seeing you over at his spot now! Two greats in one video damn.
@steevidrums
@steevidrums 14 күн бұрын
This was an absolute joy to watch. Two masters of their craft exchanging ideas showing that there's not really a "one way" to mic a kit. Having a beautiful kit (Tama Starclassic Maple) kit sat in cases most, if not, all of the year. It only makes me want to spend all my day in a decent room with my recording equipment just trying out these ideas, figuring out what I prefer and just doing some live drum recordings again. But, due to volume and convenience, I always just use the ekit using Superior drummer or Steven Slate drums when I need to track something. But golly, I would love nothing more than do get my kit out and just woodshed. One day, I hope! Thank you Nolly and Warren.
@kentturner595
@kentturner595 19 күн бұрын
Gosh this was fantastic. I saw this the other day and wanted to have some time to check it out. Woke up early this Saturday morning, so gave it a watch. At the beginning of the video, where the two mixes were panned back and forth, I really liked Nolly’s sound way better than Warren’s. However, after journeying through how you both created your sounds, then hearing them in the final song, I really liked Warren’s a lot! Honestly, I really enjoy both sounds. Nolly’s sound might just be initially more to my liking because as a drummer, it’s how I would like to hear my drums-like he said about his approach. Yet, thinking from Warren’s approach, as an audience member, it makes tons of sense to me as a live listener. I’m so grateful for finding this channel: though I have been a drummer for 26 years, I’m finally getting my own microphones, and need to learn more about what I am trying to get out of my live sound and personal recording experiences. You guys messing around with all bunch of different mic placements is really inspiring to think outside of the box and discover the sound. Thanks to both of you
@Barkles
@Barkles 2 ай бұрын
What a great conversation! I learned so much from your different approaches. You are both so good at articulating your points. Really enjoyed this one!
@calebmcandrew9056
@calebmcandrew9056 8 ай бұрын
This is a dream come true! So excited when I read the title in my notifications!!!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@chazanthony6319
@chazanthony6319 8 ай бұрын
This is one of the best vids. Truly marvelous. Just incredible to see the compare and contrast fleshed out with all the various reasoning and ideas behind the choices. So. Much. Information. Thank you so very much, Warren, Nollie and everyone involved!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
WOW! Thanks ever so much Chaz! I really appreciate it!
@pjones8404
@pjones8404 7 ай бұрын
As a drummer into my 51st year of playing, this was extremely enjoyable and educational. To cut to the chase, as presented, I would most certainly go with Nolly's approach and final sound. First of all, great drumming. That makes a huge difference. And the kit is well prepared for the session. Again, very important. I always want my drums in the most wide-open space it can be. It would have been nice to just hear the drums, even with just a two-mic setup as to how it sounded naturally in the room. My guess would be that Nolly's location would afford a more expansive and dynamic location vs. being closer to the back wall approach used by Warren. I am very impressed with the backwards approach of recording the kit from the batter side. His description of having basically three levels of sounds, each with specific characteristics, is brilliant. The snare drum, I haven't used a wood shell drum since I was in Jr. High in the mid 70's, exploded to life when those rear remote mics were engaged. While I would prefer the Black Beauty snare...what Nolly got out of a very high-quality snare drum is very nice. It just feels more "alive" to my ears. And as a player, that is inspiring and will most certainly contribute to me wanting to deliver the best tracks I possibly could!
@mwdollar
@mwdollar 6 ай бұрын
This is a goodie!!! On repeated watching, this may be one of the best drum recording videos I have ever seen on KZbin. So much valuable information and two professional and different perspectives. Just gold. Thank you for posting :D
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 6 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@mwdollar
@mwdollar 6 ай бұрын
@@Producelikeapro LOVED IT. As an audio instructor myself this is what my students always want. To hang out with great recording pros and get dozens of tips a minute learned from decades of experience. Also, to see that one way is not always THE way from successful pros is quite valuable.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 6 ай бұрын
@@mwdollar thanks ever so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
@HitTheRoadMusicStudio
@HitTheRoadMusicStudio 8 ай бұрын
THIS is absolutely amazing, really learned a lot! It shows the unique character and sound choices producers make consciously - both sound gorgeous! Nolly's is a bit more snare based and brighter, Warrens has more oomph and really this vintage vibe - great mic choices both of you!
@charlienelson2395
@charlienelson2395 8 ай бұрын
I’ve been hoping to see Nolly on here for years!!!!!!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Marvellous! Thanks Charlie!
@Tylerbag
@Tylerbag 8 ай бұрын
This was so great. Didn't plan on watching the whole thing in one sitting but I did haha. So awesome hearing two great producers sharing their knowledge and ideas. Definitely need more of this!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks ever so much
@janpeleivelic4234
@janpeleivelic4234 3 ай бұрын
Awesome to learn physical( drum setup) education from Nolly and Mr.Warren! Thanks!❤😊
@chrismonaut
@chrismonaut 7 ай бұрын
I follow this channel from the beginning and this might be my favorite video of you ever. Amazing concepts showing two very different styles for the same song. Important lesson that there is not that one blue print you can just copy. There are thousand ways to record drums.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Wow! Thanks ever so much!
@hunterroudebush
@hunterroudebush 3 ай бұрын
Great work guys! Loved the insights and great analysis of each others techniques.
@chizzulwinduh1941
@chizzulwinduh1941 7 ай бұрын
This was a great video, you're both so animated and visibly enjoying it and got into the weeds. I'd love to see more deep dive collabs like this one with you and Nolly with guitars, bass, keys and vocals. You both have a great chemistry.
@RyanHinch-kw3xr
@RyanHinch-kw3xr 7 ай бұрын
Absolute phenomenal. Both of these dudes are absolute treasures. Loved seeing a video with two completely different methods to show people there are more than 1 way to skin a cat, there is actually an almost infinite number, and the fact that both finished products are world class in completely different ways is just marvelous. 10/10
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
AW shucks! Thanks ever so much Ryan!
@iainchan
@iainchan Ай бұрын
Love the drum sounds. Also found Nolly's voice very therapeutic. Really relaxing & deep throughout the whole video 😆
@ChristopherJohnDotCom
@ChristopherJohnDotCom 8 ай бұрын
Love these longer videos!! This is top notch content
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much Christopher!
@fridjon
@fridjon 8 ай бұрын
Wow! What a detailed video, engineer vs engineer really works well. There are so many videos out there about recording drums, before I clicked the play button I went SIGH... another non detailed drum recording video (as many youtube videos about the matter are), but boy I was wrong :)
@drumsbyjones
@drumsbyjones 4 ай бұрын
It’s a pleasure listening to you guys! You are so down to earth! Love it!!! Please keep it up… ✌🏻
@talewars
@talewars 6 ай бұрын
Nice collaboration! I love Nolly and Warren is a classic legend.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 6 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@YeahImAnthony
@YeahImAnthony 8 ай бұрын
My two favorite engineers. Listening to this while im at work. Cant wait to get home and change my kit setup a bit.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it!
@svendskogheim8065
@svendskogheim8065 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this. Great video and what a drum sound!!! Fantastic! And the drummer is really good!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
@Gretsch0997
@Gretsch0997 8 ай бұрын
Room mics from behind. Easily sounds more eq'd. I'm sold
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Marvellous!
@jacobemms9449
@jacobemms9449 7 ай бұрын
these are both incredible! id love to hear something in between these two styles honestly!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Easily done in the mix! Those are raw fader up mixes, the blend can be easily changed! Download the tracks and try for yourself!
@HangtheTyants
@HangtheTyants 8 ай бұрын
Never clicked a video faster. We love you both!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@ashtaylor5236
@ashtaylor5236 6 ай бұрын
This is so awesome, thanks so much for doing this, possibly best video you've ever done, great move. Love to see more!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 6 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@Ted_Swayinghill
@Ted_Swayinghill 7 ай бұрын
Nolly on recording Animals as Leader's "Joy in Motion": I was a lot less experienced Me: OH FAHK AWF!!!! THE DRUM MIX ON THAT WAS ICONIC!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Yes! Listened it sounded great! It was a revelation to me to hear the drum sounds I knew! Sam, my engineer did my usual set up and it was printed from 2 inch tape to Pro Tools!
@driftworksound6156
@driftworksound6156 Ай бұрын
I’m late to the party on this one but what an enjoyable and illuminating concept (and execution). Loved it!
@thrillerboyrecords
@thrillerboyrecords 4 ай бұрын
Wow interesting content, I thought most ppl pan drums from a drummer perspective. Someone gave me feedback about panning them that way, so I haven't changed. But I've learned some new things today, that I'm going to try tonight. Love this community thank you!
@Eurodrummer666
@Eurodrummer666 7 ай бұрын
53:55 I find mic´ing a ride cymbal is a real challenge, it tends to spill all over and make saturate the highs in its individual microphone...
@spitfiremusic3997
@spitfiremusic3997 8 ай бұрын
Such a great video Gents!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@godofspacetime333
@godofspacetime333 7 ай бұрын
Just watching this today, immediately recognized the Josephson mics - RIP Steve Albini ♥️ I think he would have liked Warren’s drum recordings here.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much for saying, I really appreciate it
@ghastlyshimmer
@ghastlyshimmer 8 ай бұрын
I just tried mixing it. It sounds incredible when the source tone is good.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
That’s marvellous to hear!!
@johnnyresistance
@johnnyresistance 8 ай бұрын
Great studio, great drummer and so much detail. Fantastic content. Wasn't familiar with Nolly until now, but what a great ear. Thanks so much!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@Tallstreehouse
@Tallstreehouse 6 ай бұрын
Nolly's snare, warrens Tom's, nolly's ride, warrens hi hat. I prefer the nature of warrens recording better overall, but nollys seems to compliment the track slightly more. Nolly edged this one out for me, but he could take note of how Warren got those Tom's super round and bouncy. Stellar work, both of you 🎉
@TheJakePoole
@TheJakePoole 8 ай бұрын
I'm so happy about this. My biggest influences and learning resources on producing and mixing working together in one video. Thank you guys so much!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@andreisidro6544
@andreisidro6544 8 ай бұрын
Right of the bat you can clearly hear the difference engineering makes in a recording. With no mixing whatsoever Nolly's approach sounds punchy and modern while Warren sounds vibey an old school. Great video! I hope you do more of these!
@edwardrummer
@edwardrummer 8 ай бұрын
So many little nuggets of wisdom in here from you both 👏 lots of new things for me to experiment with 🙏
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much Edward!
@SlasherMatt
@SlasherMatt 8 ай бұрын
Lovely video. Absolutely fascinating to watch how to build two different sounds, the modern "clean" and the classic "edgy", from the same kit and player. Amazing how much of a difference one single person can make to a record. Thank you @Producelikeapro and Nolly, this video is absolutely gold
@KirkyDrums
@KirkyDrums 8 ай бұрын
The brick wall and far room are incredible . Horses for courses using different snares. (personally would love to hear a JT or a 14x5.5 Brady for warmth on this track ). You both would be great mixing and working together on a record . Great video
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
@Walkerbjj
@Walkerbjj 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for doing this. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@chiefindisguise
@chiefindisguise 7 ай бұрын
Wow this is a masterclass, thanks Warren!🙏🏻
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
@bulletproofzest
@bulletproofzest 8 ай бұрын
We recorded at Electrical Audio w/ one of the house engineers and he used the E22s, surprisingly he also had them angled/not parallel. They were just perfect at mix time. Cad M179s and Audio Technica ATM450 are really good poor man's substitutes. The latter in particular because it's so small and side address. The bottom end is just huge on them too. I wish it had a little less output like the E22, but it does sound great, and I rarely have to do much to my toms in mixing. Switching to condensers on toms was a revelation for me.
@rockboy360
@rockboy360 8 ай бұрын
Warren went all in for that 90s Brendan O' Brien sound! I would bring bring down the rooms and overheads a little bit though and it would feel tighter and closer to Nolly's. His close mics sounded amazing as well! They both rock! I learned so much from this!
@twitcheyspleen
@twitcheyspleen 8 ай бұрын
Nolly talking about positioning the drummer nearer the booth to improve the experience and performance of the drummer and engineer is class
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Indeed. When I track I pretty stand facing the musicians 99% of the time. The Engineers and Producers with their feet up on the console really bothers me! Ha All I can think of is Al Schmitt telling them off for doing it!
@joek2904
@joek2904 8 ай бұрын
These shoot outs are great.. I'd love to see a shootout of a full productions... engineer vs engineer to see how everything is done in the tracking process for all instruments.
@thedaveut
@thedaveut 8 ай бұрын
Amazing vid guys! Just in time for my next batch of drum tracks. Two different sounds both amazing. Thank you for doing this shootout!
@michaelcommisso8487
@michaelcommisso8487 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely fascinating video! One of the best you've done Warren, thank you
@stockmanager
@stockmanager 8 ай бұрын
2 guys that are very generous in terms of sharing their knowledge! :))
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@terryhigson434
@terryhigson434 26 күн бұрын
How do you deal with all the phase issues?
@PARISONFIRE
@PARISONFIRE 2 ай бұрын
Super impressed with Warrens sound man. It is really big and has a lot of body already on the way in. 10/10 for sure.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 2 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@keithprior8279
@keithprior8279 8 ай бұрын
I’m glad I watched this for several reasons. But firstly, Nolly mentioned (more than once) the importance of getting the record levels of each mic roughly the same. Which I would agree is an axiom of recording drums. Especially if you like using the mic, it’s type and placement before ever touching an eq.
@TomCawoski
@TomCawoski 8 ай бұрын
Very cool video!!! This is probably your most in depth recording drums video I've seen you post. I appreciate all the discussion and reasoning behind both your mic choices and mic pre/eq choices. This is all very good information. Both mixes sounded good and they both had great things to each of them. I loved that you both kept saying the importance of having a good consistent drummer playing on a great kit in a great room!!! Why should it be any different for drums than any other instrument!!! After all, the sound all starts in the hands and how the drummer hits the drums!!! It's no different for guitar players or keyboardists!!! Great video!!! Thanks for sharing Warren!!! 😎🎶
@slayabouts
@slayabouts 8 ай бұрын
2:26 Idk if the intro drum recordings are fully processed, but I like yours better than Nolly’s. Yours has maybe a little too much room sound, but I like the character of it so much more. Nolly’s has that overly fat snare with a lot of dark plate verb sound that in my opinion is both overdone and kind of boring
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
They are the drum mix we were using when tracking! I cranked the rooms because it was so satisfying to hear them loud haha
@slayabouts
@slayabouts 8 ай бұрын
@@Producelikeapro I don’t blame you; the room sounds great! And not to put down Nolly’s drums as they sound great too, I just think the ultra clean, isolated drums have made metal too stale. Metal is supposed to be dirty, not clinical! Only thing is I wish you’d also done a full run through with each of your mixes rather than only cutting back and forth; the vast majority of the tom fills seemed to fall while in Nolly’s mix and we didn’t get to hear yours as much! But they sounded great when you heard em
@davemiha
@davemiha 8 ай бұрын
Such a beautiful and useful video. Thank you for this!!
@denislachance6277
@denislachance6277 8 ай бұрын
Really a wonderful session Warren ! Thanks for sharing the multitrack session 😎! It proves that a lot of attention must be put in the mic placement😁🤘🏻
@aheadofmetal
@aheadofmetal 8 ай бұрын
Warren's mix gets my vote this time, mainly because Nolly's is just more typical of what you hear in modern music today. I miss hearing drummers sound raw the way records used to sound. Would be cool to get a little bit "in-between" the two. Maybe tuck some 6k on warren's snare and compress a little bit more or bring out some more roomy edge on Nolly's mix and loosen up the compression. Either way, both sound great.
@chrisibbetson
@chrisibbetson 8 ай бұрын
Great Vid! Enjoyed that! Cheers Warren and Nolly!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Suburbstudio
@Suburbstudio 8 ай бұрын
This is just a brilliant example of how to do it…thanks a lot for these insights ❤
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks 🙏
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@palssonmusic8435
@palssonmusic8435 7 ай бұрын
Ok, this is just awesome guys!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much
@ThiagoeRenataMarin
@ThiagoeRenataMarin 6 ай бұрын
NIce Drum sound, salutes from Brazil , i prefer warren drums, more organic and open
@mytchel
@mytchel 8 ай бұрын
So good! Thanky you Warren and Nolly for such a great masterclass.
@pesam64
@pesam64 8 ай бұрын
Great video guys! Really interesting to follow the discussion about each setup. Btw. You mentioned in the video that you captured some samples of the drums. Where can we download these samples?
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
My samples are included! We are getting Nolly’s to add
@philippgrunert8776
@philippgrunert8776 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant content! I think it all depends on taste and what you go for in the production. Both work fine
@RobinsonCoulton
@RobinsonCoulton 8 ай бұрын
This is the best video I've seen from you it really gave me more confidence thank you
@jason.martin
@jason.martin 8 ай бұрын
KM 184 is really good for ride, it adds a bit of lower heft that I find missing in other small condensers.
@jason.martin
@jason.martin 8 ай бұрын
I like doing the room mics behind the kit as well
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Amazing! Thanks ever so much for sharing
@leifrehnstrom
@leifrehnstrom 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant video 👏 Loved that 201 on the snare. So good.
@thisisokmusic3721
@thisisokmusic3721 7 ай бұрын
What an amazing drumsound 😇
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 7 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@SecretMetalFromAbyss
@SecretMetalFromAbyss 8 ай бұрын
About panning drums I personally prefer drummer perspective because it's easier to airdrum the coolest grooves and fills and I kinda think that fills should go left to right like text. :D That left to right reasoning thing for me might be a little weird but for some reason I think that left to right feels more like going forward and right to left feels like backing up. :D
@charlesrocks
@charlesrocks 8 ай бұрын
It’s over Warren bros…Nolly got good
@metalpuppet5798
@metalpuppet5798 8 ай бұрын
Took him long enough 😂
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Haha yes! Nolly is the man!!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
@@metalpuppet5798haha he’s been doing amazing metal albums for years now
@TheArkitecht
@TheArkitecht 8 ай бұрын
It’s so hilarious how nobody got your joke, good one!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
@@TheArkitecht haha everyone got it! It;s great but very obvious 'getgood' 'Got Good' Ha
@mattwinegar527
@mattwinegar527 8 ай бұрын
D12 for mono room. Who knew!? Great sounds all around. Really fun watch.
@huberttorzewski
@huberttorzewski 8 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you guys!
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@Shadowsreach1
@Shadowsreach1 8 ай бұрын
wow incredible, Thanks for posting this video.
@Producelikeapro
@Producelikeapro 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ever so much!
@jason.martin
@jason.martin 8 ай бұрын
Wow this is so cool to see, both are equally great but with very different vibes, Nolly's being dryer and tight and Warrens being very live sounding
@TheRealHucasys
@TheRealHucasys 8 ай бұрын
12:27 At Real World as in Peter Gabriel's, right?
@returntoearth308
@returntoearth308 8 ай бұрын
Yes, check out Periphery V: Djent is not a Genre, drums were done at Real World by Mr. Getgood himself and they sound mint.
@ChristianScott-hx1ut
@ChristianScott-hx1ut 8 ай бұрын
They both managed to get such different vibes out of same drumset/drummer/song/room/outboard gear. Proves a point of how much a producer/engineer can shape a song. I want them both on my album, lol!
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