Producing Bosphorus Master

[@jamesbryce5187]

Really cool polyrhythms being produced here.

[@joshcheee8659]

James Bryce uh im pretty sure thats a 5 againt 3 against 7 against 9 against 69 against 42 😂😂

[@FanaticDrummer]

They Djent

[@K.Dor.888]

Hahahahahahahhahaha

[@alistaircornacchio5727]

First thing I heard was that 3:4 lol

[@jimbradshaw4]

Thank you so much for showing this process uncut and without adding any soundtrack. I found the whole thing to be not only fascinating but also mesmerising - those almost 50 minutes just flew past!

[@CarneysDrums]

This video certainly puts the price tag in perspective. Well worth every cent!

[@FanaticDrummer]

Wtf is Ronald even talking about? Someone is indeed high.

[@nanditdesai3384]

A Customs are shit

[@djentlover]

Ronald West Who pissed in your cereal?

[@Assimilator702]

Ronald West Zildjian cymbals have less hands on craftsmanship than any of the Turkish brands. No hand hammering. You can’t fault Zildjian since OSHA would never allow hand hammering. Sabian hand hammers and Paiste does also. With that said Zildjian and Sabian make the best Turkish style cymbals outside Turkey. So what statement exactly are you offended by?

[@misosiru1973]

Beautiful Cymbals. and Fantastic First-class craftsmen!!! I Love Bosphorus Cymbals!!!

[@rustywooten9194]

Art! These cymbals are works of art. I feel fortunate to have a 20" masters ride with that same dude's signature under the bell.

[@richardverdin9277]

Me too! Perfection.

[@carlosmacmartin4205]

It was an honor and pleasure to watch these masters at work. Thank you very much for sharing!

[@blueavadis22]

I met these guys at NAMM Show’23 , great guys, very humble ,respectful and helpful people. I didn’t know that they actually are the cymbals masters hands on. They had a great lot of very nice cymbals . I got myself a pair of Turk Hi-Hats really nice.

[@seppoinnanen5577]

Hats off for the craftsmanship 🤘🤘 Great hand work is still alive and kicking

[@65drummer1]

I wish I could go to the factory & sit beside these artisans to just watch them and ask questions. I could learn something that has always been a passion of mine. Such an in depth experience here. My complements to everyone who labored for the love of my hobby, playing drums.

[@JimGiddens3]

I enjoy watching craftsmen in action. I love my Bosphorus cymbals! Worth every penny.

[@thomasbromwich6]

Fantastic video! Felt like I was right there in the factory! Thanks for uploading

[@bp-0139]

Great to see that the art of cymbal smithing is alive and kicking. Zildjian machine-hammer most of their products. Respect to these artisans.

[@hifijohn]

I find it appropriate that something you bang on is made by banging on it!!!

[@suhan8382]

It is good to know what we are paying for pure craftsmanship and hard labour.Huge respect for those artisans spending their lives manufacturing hand made cymbals.🇹🇷🌙♥️

[@JeffreyMiddelveld]

Not too long ago I switched to Bosphorus cymbals for playing Jazz. I think they make the perfect cymbals for Jazz, because of the way they're created. Every dent on the cymbal is made by hand. This makes a cymbal difficult, but yet amazing to play on, because the tone will turn out different by moving your stick even an inch further. Really warm and natural sounding cymals, love them!

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

technique . . .

[@JeffreyMiddelveld]

@@anthonysaponaro6318 That will only help you so far. Try playing a 20" Paiste 2000 ride (for example) in a bigband or for jazz, just sounds terrible. Thick cymbals sound loud, harsh, agressive and way too bulky, rather use those for rock and what not. Thinner cymbals, like these in the video, sound soft, warm, transparent, forgiving and are also crashable, which automatically expands your palet in jazz playing

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

@@JeffreyMiddelveld I like the thin cymbals for just crashes, high hats and china types,all of my rides have to be heavy

[@boomerguy9935]

@@JeffreyMiddelveld I've been playing for over 57 years and started out with Zildjian Avedis (before "A" Series) and didn't have access to any "K" series at the time. Since then, I've tried many brands, thicknesses and weights and slowly switched from rock to pop to big band and finally, small venues with mostly acoustic instruments. My favorite cymbals in any brand are thinner and lighter with lower profile bells which give me the dark and warm tones that I want. This is to say, this is MY favorite recipe and not to imply that my style is the best. I have Bosphorus Traditional Series cymbals and love them, particularly the thinner ones.

[@robsherfey4582]

I hope those guys wear earplugs. After work you'd probably still hear hammering in your sleep.

[@barenreynolds8267]

They need to have a better working environment for making us such great cymbals

[@stillphil]

It'd be interesting to Ask the workers how they feel, because "better" is relative. These men look and seem VERY harmoniously happy in their work environment. And they make cymbals with love for the world not just "us".

[@ryanb1874]

Yea but a cheap 3m respirator might get in the way of their hammer strokes. But it looks like they do have ear plugs in.

[@ryanb1874]

Id like to know, what a cymbals Mic (micrometer) would look like, enormous jaws, and just a .5 to zero range, if that, with ball radius anvils each end.

[@alistaircornacchio5727]

@@ryanb1874 what does that mean?

[@BolchenTheDrummer]

It's funny that the Istanbul mehmet factory and Turkish both have better environment than Bosphorus, while Bosphorus being the most expensive to buy lol

[@tune7333]

Amazing...it all looks so haphazard, yet they know what there doing..beautiful cymbals.

[@hongwonsuk5057]

They are amazing.

[@thebopwashere]

love it!! awesome insight! great cymbals and all hand made!! A+

[@mladenpalenkas7750]

I play Bosphorus Traditional cymbals. The best cymbals I've ever played 👍

[@boomerguy9935]

Same here!

[@odeskoo]

AWESOME. I'll b sure 2buy at least 1. a ride perhaps.

[@ppeppe]

I have a 20" inch hammer series which is lovely They're all different though, so do try before you buy if possible, or at least a sound file

[@Shrebina-kq4cs]

I'm a PROUD owner of a full set of Bosphorus Master Syncopations.

[@roneystapes]

Wow that was cool!

[@nitronamous]

The precision with the hammer from these guys is crazy!

[@nitronamous]

And yes they are wearing ear plugs for protection

[@publicojornas1787]

These people should hear the hammers even at sleep.

[@PRG013]

Amazing. Everyone stops when he does that one test.

[@FanaticDrummer]

I play Sabian, but I love and respect all cymbal makers and craftsman. Its amazing to see how the smaller companies produce their products and how minimalistic the entire operation that the company is dependent on is. I mean they used a hand pressed stamp and a hand screen print, which is pretty awesome actually because it makes me want to make one just to refinish and re-logo cymbals lol No major printers or assembly line presses, thats actually awesome. I have never played Bosphorus but this is a good testament to their quality and dedication, which always shows in the end product. So many hands required to make one instrument, one instrument people HIGHLY underrate in its creation. This is why being a drummer is not only the most expensive instrument, but the most respected instrument among its players. From the drum kit to cymbals, the amount of hand made factors from these companies is insane, especially in 2018. Somethings a machine process just cant do. It can imitate, but its not the same.

[@ryanb1874]

Well I think the companies with machines could make many more, and control the sound, nearly identicaly, but then, you might have to make 1000000 vs 10000 or so, not even sure what the total cymbals profusion number is, how high is it, if you make too many, than everyone in the world would need to be a cymbals hunger drummer, and, then, the distincness would disapeer, as soon as enough people had any every kind of cymbal

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

If theyre good enough for Neil theyre good enough for me . . . . .Sabian HHX and Paragons are the best in all of music

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

But I suppose it really just boils down to what each person hearsd and how they hear it and what they like better, some people might like the more thin mostly brass cymbals, I hate them , they sound to ringy and tinny

[@boomerguy9935]

@@anthonysaponaro6318 Just saying that a particular brand is the best doesn't really say anything. It depends on what you need or want within the model lines. For example, I love Sabian HHX but I had a Stage Ride that I absolutely hated. It was a great cymbal, but just not for me.

[@RAIN-AGAIN]

Well, It’s been a minute or two since these comments were made soooooo….. I don’t know if you’re still online ( as it were)…. Just wanted to say…… after watching this awesome video ,…. You had the most beautiful and well addressed comments of them ALL!!! Concise-Knowledgeable-Humorous-Empathetic….. I had zero idea of the manufacturing intricacies involved!!! And I thought I was an audiophile?….lol. As a jazz composer, singer songwriter …..I’m a little embarrassed at my blatant naivety… lol As a primarily ballad driven writer… unique “ cymbal transitions”, really do much to set mood as you already know…. Anyway, want to purchase a decent drum kit wit all the trimmings… In the spring of 2024…..hopefully,….all imaginable cymbal sizes as they surely won’t gather dust…..lol. Since this will be my first owned rig …. thinking about hiring someone here in the Chicago area to teach me how to properly adjust the skins and mic placements here in my already too small 250 sq ft. home studio…. lol Same thing for the standup double bass I need to buy as well……anyway….. I’m not gonna be in a hurry about it…. Little by little… lol Of course, I’d get “session guys “ for the debut album…… but…. I think the gift of self teaching is still inside of me in the meantime….Lol Hope you made it safe through the pandemic and much inspired by your newest projects? Stay focused and hungry. Musicians are the universe gift to the world. As long as the inspiration and heart is there…. the musical pieces will always find a LISTENING audience…..again… as you already know. Found “ Wolfgang Haffner” during the pandemic! He’s a masterful drummer of over 50 years …. out of Germany!….. His 2023 release : “ SILENT WORLD “ has been on repeat for me lately. I SHALL DEDICATE THE SONG “SILENT WORLD” to @ FantasticDrummer because the drumming in it is STEADY,SURE, and EFFECTIVE….. as; based on the essence of all your comments have confirmed! Sooo……………… Never give up…. Never Surrender.🕯 Happy Thanksgiving 🦃 🎼RAIN RAIN🎼

[@RodrigoMAlves1980]

Really cool video - perfect handmade Cymbals - good Job!

[@Atipam]

And no one listened to its sound until the customer bought it from ebay. Master series made by ruler and scale. Wow

[@dizzolve]

can you imagine working in that room for 10 years ..............

[@LibertyPrime-mc6hp]

What?

[@dizzolve]

@@LibertyPrime-mc6hp can you imagine working in that room for 10 years ..............

[@LibertyPrime-mc6hp]

@@dizzolve what? 🦻

[@markwlewisonutube]

What? Huh?

[@Thalos_s]

Are you talking about the "hammering room"? I guess it just takes patience...AND passion.

[@crazy8sdrums]

This was cool to watch...but how was that cymbal stamped off as a 'master' without anybody having struck it for sound quality?

[@guybrushgood3717]

It is a really hard worked cymbal.

[@selimozcan_cwt]

İSTANBUL SULTANGAZİ'DE KATALOG ÇEKİMLERİ İÇİN FOTOĞRAF ÇEKMEYE GİTMİŞTİM TÜM GÜN KALDIM FOTOĞRAFLARINI ÇEKMEK HATTA KATALOGLARINI YAPMAK; KENDİMLE GURUR DUYMUŞTUM. HASAN BEY'E SELAMLAR...

[@jonathanwingmusic]

Now I know what video I could put on to make everyone leave

[@Customwinder1]

😂😂

[@BoomerMusicCompany]

So you just bend the actual cymbal while hammering to give it its shape? Oh wow! He just inverted it and smacked it to get back to the shape. There's a lot of inverting going on here! Makes me nervous! They should play this videos soundtrack to get terrorists to give up. This video is unbelievably fascinating. Thanks for posting! I love this video!

[@kevinturner5857]

Which terrorists the Americans !?

[@Rancherinaz]

Cool video .

[@alistaircornacchio5727]

29:28 cool phasing sound

[@alistaircornacchio5727]

5:4 right after

[@amanyttap]

Is there a possibility to visit this cymbal house; very interesting?

[@SapoDrums27]

Since I entered a cymbal farm, I have no longer had the courage to eat cymbals again :')

[@martinooo29]

A real mastery !!!

[@CelsoEduardo]

Fantastic!

[@Trommelmann1]

Dislikes for this craftmanship, seriously?

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

Dislikes probably because we didn't get to hear the finished product/s

[@kevpow09]

It would have been nice, after watching this whole video, to hear what that symbol sounded like!

[@earlbrackett6508]

man hath wrought some bad ass cymbals !

[@tubo628]

This is the first guy's first day at this job after 10 years at the cowboy hat factory.

[@elonlovesyou]

After watching this, I don't mind paying 300.00 for a cymbal.

[@brengeldelacruz8866]

Sometimes cymbals are made with machines and it’s amazing how they do it by hand

[@ruido_sagrado]

yes, but the workers don't earn that whole money... I hope they make good money.

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

300 is a lot but I have a 450 dollar 22" Paragon , I don't see any of these kinds of strikes on it I also have a 22" heavy Sabian HHX that was even more than that and it does have these marks even more pronounced I'd say expensive but they are the most crisp sounding cymbals I ever owned, nothing comes close ,the bad part is it takes weeks to save for each one ! but as said previously, well worth the money

[@elonlovesyou]

These would also... NEVER LEAVE MY HOUSE!!!!

[@ocho611]

masters at work (no pun intended), and I'm impressed with how much goes into each cymbal. but is this really where they're made? in this medieval sweat shop?! call itt blacksmithing if you want, but I kept expecting to see donkeys and Llama grazing in the wide shots.

[@Bob-nu3xe]

I guess if there are any sharp edge's at 47:00 they will cut his fingers

[@itamarzibziner8385]

34:40 you can almost hear a 3/4 polyrhythem

[@sixhourdrivemusic]

Those are their working conditions...?

[@EyesoreJr]

Must. Have. Earplugs!!!!!!

[@longfade]

That's got to be the most thankless job ever.

[@JackNiles]

Enjoyed

[@dmcubing6342]

Each man an artisan.

[@SeanLaMontagne]

All that hand hammering, then they lathe it? Oh my. I would have bought that cymbal as is before the lathing process. Or even lathe half of it and get a hybrid, now that sounds exciting.

[@mathias841]

Sean LaMontagne do you know the antique series ?

[@jubankta1627]

But you can tell by this video they certainly work hard on them

[@1rewd133]

THE BELLS! THE BELLS!!

[@doubledog5894]

My apology for this naive question: I know hammering by hand adds to the quality but why and how? My guess is that this process increases the density of the metal at each tiny hammer mark and scatters the sound as all those marks combine, but that’s just a guess. Very interesting process though. I have a lot of respect for these craftsman. The process must be absolutely exhausting.

[@markwlewisonutube]

The hammering changes the specific density of an area (the hammer strike) and the pattern, size and number of hammer strikes create the specific sound pattern. I think, from observation, that the hammering adds complexity. Also, hammered cymbals seem darker and dryer than unhammered cymbals, compared one to one, I think. I noticed that lathed and unhammered cymbals seem brighter, more direct and seem to sustain longer at a higher volume. Again, my assumption is that if the metal is unhammered, the cymbal is more of a unit and hammering adds different tones and complexity.

[@boomerguy9935]

@@markwlewisonutube Yes!

[@YOU-vm4pg]

wow ! como quisiera tenerlos ! vengan a la isla de Margarita , Venezuela y colocan una empresa aqui ...

[@genrennibut987]

Watching this in a full volume with earphone ..haha

[@tune7333]

not sure what to think.. love hand hammered cymbals but these peeps need better working conditions...they shld get lots of breaks and proper ear plugs....I might even send them a bag full.

[@vasilias2230]

Man you sound like a whiny karen

[@markwlewisonutube]

Tune, they may need to hear the hammer strikes to measure how hard they are hitting. Every time I see cymbals being hammered, it is a metal hammer on a metal base, no protection or padding. No soft or absorbent surface, just a ring of the metal.

[@flapjack413]

So much respect for these men. But goddamn, someone get these people some hearing protection!!!

[@ronbialek6488]

Is there no such thing as OSHA in Turkey? I see open toe shoes, no hearing protection, no eye protection and very little in the way of worker safety measures. Open toe sandals around razor sharp metal lathings and furnaces, not fun to be on the receiving end of that risk.

[@vasilias2230]

In turkey they are in full supply of actual men, no need for a daddy program like OSHA to keep the safe

[@buraktepe6683]

There is. But the people feel more confertable with sandals.

[@markwlewisonutube]

A forge? In Turkey? Yeah, probably normally hotter than hell in there.

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

Turkey I think haS RECENTLY ADOPTED A FORM OF oCCUPATIONAL sAFETY SCAM

[@Brookzplayzmuzic]

😂😂😂 there is always one smart ass in the. Comments section that manages to make me laugh... this was funny as hell. Ty for that

[@c9iner]

Me: My back hurts, my arms hurt, my ears hurt Bosphorus guys: Hold my cymbal...

[@fuyourname1719]

they probably need better hearing protection, hammering seems to be very loud

[@HMohr]

50 minutes and we don't get to hear the final result? Great.

[@ericqu3962]

there a result in 37'28",if you watch them all.

[@DonnieFreymoyer]

The cymbal wasn't finished so wet fart, agree would like to hear the final product

[@jubankta1627]

Some years go I spent about $2,500 on all Bosphorus cymbals because of the Music Shoppe I played two that they have in stock and love the sound when I got my cymbals although they sound great for some reason when you spin them they're not balanced they kind of wobble all over the cymbal stand and it's probably my fault for not getting with Bosphorus earlier and asking them to hammer them out so they spin true but just a thought I add my two cents worth

[@boomerguy9935]

They hammer them for the sound, not their ability to spin. Why do you need them to spin? I've been playing since 1965 and never, ever cared about this. The only cymbal I ever spin is the top hi hat right after setting up my drums, just so that it sits at the correct angle for the "chick" sound that I want and that is only once, before I start to play.

[@boomerguy9935]

OOPS! I meant the bottom hi hat, to position it in its felt before I start to play.

[@ShiroppoStudio]

Now we know that in the factory nobody plays a cymbal to hear as it sounds.

[@GaryBlydenburgh]

I was thinking that exact thing. I was waiting for someone to hit the thing to hear how it sounded.

[@KaiOwensDrums]

I believe that manufacturers must let the metal rest for a few weeks. Then they test the sound before distribution

[@andrewcruz7595]

*damn they sell these in the stores* ???

[@listenchump4041]

They feature some good deals for those on Amazon. I got a 17'' Antique crash for 190$CAD (about 150$ USD).

[@aristoculo9939]

good music

[@RCMAStudios]

El ruido es el de una obra en construcción acá en Morón...

[@ronaldodiaspulsacao2441]

Lindo trabalho

[@rightrightrightuhhuhuhhuh6516]

This sound is what Donald Trump hears in his head all day long

[@kevinturner5857]

😂

[@thethatthisguy1110]

Pay these guys more!!!!! This is why the cymbals cost so much. They add labor value but they do not receive the correct payment according to value they add.

[@robsherfey4582]

Remember this vid next time you complain about the price of cymbals lol

[@clivesilk3501]

i couldn't work there the noise would send me crazy !!!!!!!

[@Drumaboiiii]

i think this guys right arm is visibly bigger...

[@alistaircornacchio5727]

29:00 polyrhythm

[@sonortubelug3853]

Best cymbals in the world.

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

Those would be Sabian Paragons . . . Without even a close second Well the HHX come close but the Paragons produce the cleanest, finest, most concentrated most pure tones I have ever heard

[@sonortubelug3853]

@@anthonysaponaro6318 Ha, if that's your thing.

[@orpheuscult75]

American and British metal bands: We play loud and heavy metal. Turkish cymbal makers: 🙄

[@Taydrum]

Get them some earplugs ASAP

[@SpadgerMcTeagle1]

All of that and we never heard how the finished product sounded. Could have given it half a stroke at the end.

[@FanaticDrummer]

Spadger McTeagle Thats what she said.

[@mnkrck]

Awesome video. The moment they put the logo on thou... never understood why they put these horrible ugly logos on top of these beautiful objects. It´s like stuck in the 90s where people liked to wear clothing with huge logos on etc... But the embossing is classy ... should leave it like that. I guess the concept of minimalism in design / understatement has not arrived in this branch. And it seams like they do not even understand why turkish handmade cymbals are so popular again... I mean I understand that they want to make a name for themselves so people will recognize the brand but to me I feel people especially like the "handmade" "small company" "craftmans-ship" aspect of it. Something big companies try to emulate and it is just doesnt work because it is not authentic. So these small companies could actually make profit from it but they decide to choose these generic names for their brands and put them at the center of the attention instead of focusing on the people that make the stuff... argh marketing issues!

[@ppeppe]

I know! I like that Agop 30th anniversary series are blank. More should be

[@ljboyd13]

Looks like a sweatshop. No earmuffs. Crappy old wobbly lathe. Guy leaning on it with no safety glasses, and metal swarf flying around. Yikes. Nice touch giving a couple of them new t-shirts for the video though.

[@Rancherinaz]

The guys are pros . They don need no stinking glasses .

[@mikebarker9187]

Ear protection is for sissies. But keep a glove on your left hand to keep those fingerprints off!

[@vasilias2230]

I don't know if you know this, but a cymbal's edge (before being dulled) is very sharp.

[@earldrum]

In the USA ... OSHA violations everywhere! No footwear! Wonderful cymbals, but a what cost hearing loss and broken toes and feet! Sorry ... I’m a safety professional for my day gig! 😳

[@tims001]

Please give them hearing protection to wear, doing this all day every day will be detrimental to their hearing... poor guys.

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

they have it

[@EstudiantEterno]

Hermosa la fábrica de Virulana

[@Alpengrower]

awesome, that workplace need some music :p

[@probablynoturdad]

It already has the music of cymbal hammering! There's all sorts of rhythms happening there.

[@sivadepilif]

polyrythmics...

[@papagcortellino5283]

Why no earplugs?????

[@Bigbaldybear]

Pardon??

[@jollyjose9406]

they're used to the sound so the body has adapted

[@AnotherWorldYT]

^ that's not how eardrums work

[@FanaticDrummer]

Lol The more of these comments I see just proves why attention to detail is left to the pros who make these instruments, and not you....

[@weareallbeingwatched4602]

They have got earplugs, some sort of white material stuffed in.

[@joskjor]

Damn autoplay woke me..

[@LOKJazz]

Ow! My phukin ears! I turned the volume off and it still hurts!

[@fletchead]

Wow. These guys look like their working for 12 cents a day and a cup of rice.

[@vasilias2230]

And yet they're still happier than most of us. Money ain't everything, and it hardly is anything.

[@plasticgodzilla1]

@@vasilias2230 How would you know how happy these guys are? Also, who is them vs. us? I'm sure this wasn't your intend, but it feels like you are having some leveled view on people.

[@vasilias2230]

@@plasticgodzilla1 Your grammar makes it hard to understand your comment

[@Fos3tex]

No hearing protection.

[@mutualattraction1382]

Zen Guided Meditation

[@alensiljak]

going deaf just by watching the beginning

[@ryanb1874]

Can I love there and learn the craft. Yikes. Who would, would any drummeror anybody want to do that.