Professor Destroys Relativism in 4 Minutes!

An argument for objective truth found in an objective reality.
Without a common reality there can be no common truth and no true communion between people.
Timothy Fortin Ph.D. | Seton Hall University
www.shu.edu/profiles/timothyf...

[@shukrifr]

“Communication becomes impossible” as if misunderstandings of terms based upon life experience doesn’t already exist

[@michaeljoseph2285]

Have you ever stoped and realized that the statement, “Truth is relative” is an absolute statement?

[@_VISION.]

Yes. So what?

[@_VISION.]

@joashscottofficial so? 😂

[@_VISION.]

@joashscottofficial exactly

[@_VISION.]

@joashscottofficial Relativism is more of an explanation than an argument. The explanation can support the argument that truth is relative. No one will ever agree on what an objective truth is because there is no perspective-less perspective. I don't put logic on a pedestal. It has limits and when I encounter it's limits I ignore it. So saying a statement is self-refuting does more for you than it does for me. My day is fine. Hope yours is well too.

[@_VISION.]

@joashscottofficial Right. We clearly don't agree. I don't value objectivism, rationalism, logocentrism, nor foundationalism as a criterion of truth that leads us to some absolute truth. It doesn't appear to me that anyone has any justification for their criterion of truth other than preference. Saying Logic doesn't have limits is awfully similar to a Christian saying God doesn't have limits. To say such a thing is, to me, quite based on faith. Anything I say is just my account. I am not interested in dogmatizing my beliefs. Things pertaining to philosophical and scientific investigations on non-evident things such as epistemology, metaphysics, ontology, and criterions of truth are inapprehensible to me. So I withhold assent. However, I will respond to a dogmatist when it appears that I see one. "The laws of logic do exist independent of our awareness of the reality of all the truths they lead us to." This is ridiculous from my perspective.

[@silentgrove7670]

For several years now I have been living with the clear sense that no one understands what I am talking about. They hear the words however the deeper sub text of my communication with them is lost. This video looks into that window of human experience. There is a way out, it is to invest in understanding of the other that they have a different world view and try to discern that via some kind of reflective communication. Without this as the speaker suggests there is no intimacy. If intimacy is to be found it would be in the desire and conscious effort to move beyond this seperation.

[@Xenibalt]

look at all the drones buzzing in the comment section they are addicted to the isolation

[@wormwood3118]

Of course but this desire and conscious effort has nothing to do with belief in objective reality, as the speaker suggests.

[@josiahz21]

Soft nihilistic solipsism as I like to call it. (Nothing can be known or communicated or nothing exists but the self) who then can you hurt but yourself? I fear this philosophy is at the heart of this wave of post modernism taking power in the west. Your idea to fix it is my own. We are taking steps to, but it is not the majority. It will take time.

[@mlg1337professional]

People scared to accept objective reality because it is hard.

[@rarnoldk12]

“God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; ‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@jordannewberry9561]

If that is true, the author of that sentence is a liar.

[@Boxxxxxxxxx]

@@jordannewberry9561 But this is where relative interpretation makes its move. It doesn’t HAVE to mean men are liars at all times and all contexts, it only means in the ultimate truth God’s truth and thoughts will always be superior to man’s mind. Biblical interpretation varies by person to person and was never meant to be one-dimensional.

[@jordannewberry9561]

@@Boxxxxxxxxx I don't care what people interpret the word liar to mean. What I said is provable by categorical syllogism no matter how people interpret the word.

[@ganglandsublimity]

@@Boxxxxxxxxxso… mans truth becomes relative again

[@The59thHooh]

I wonder if this trend towards relativism isn’t contributing to the current mental health epidemic. When there’s no collective “truth” to cling to, it places tons of pressure on the individual to find a truth that works for them. I know I’ve felt like I have to “play God” to try and make sense of life, and that gets exhausting.

[@christopherfield7732]

I don't think its contributing to it, as some minor ingredient in the mess, it is the the central and direct cause of it. Until people understand this underlaying shift, there is very little conceptual grasp of much of current social-political climate, and the mass psychoses that is brewing in it.

[@ShimmerBodyCream]

People are much more comfortable when they are told what is true and what to believe, vs living in a universe where that is not answered for them.

[@dianaanthony2981]

I was having a conversation with someone who embraces the notion that "we create our own reality.". Then he made an absolute.kind of statement about something and I asked if he had any evidence. He said evidence was irrelevant; only his intuition mattered. There is no discussion possible with such a person.

[@Thankful305]

The59thHooh …. 💯 percent!!!

[@not_averge]

*I CAN'T BELIVE THIS IS THE PEAK OF ON A SIDE OF DISSGUSSIONS IN MODERN TIMES THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING I EVER HEARD IN MY ENTIRE LIFE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THEIR OWN THRUTS* *THE STATEMENT EVEN CONTRADICTS ITSELF CAUSE I CAN SAY IN MY REALITY IT IS NOT THE CASE*

[@Dman77777]

This man has a big brain .. I yield to God as I know His reality will be the greatest and that is my truth. Good day to you sir !

[@louisaugustin9141]

“The Truth”

[@jaceking5938]

His message is anti-theistic but okay

[@jaceking5938]

The horrifying reality of this message is that anyone who watches it will create their own interpretation, and use this message to continue justifying doing so in other aspects of their lives.

[@Swifter315]

So where's the argument against relativism?

[@kennethnystrom593]

That whatevar we call a "tiger" it will still eat you regardless what we call it.

[@someonenotnoone]

@@kennethnystrom593 Tigers are physically real. When you're talking about things that have no physical realness, what it does and doesn't do is basically irrelevant. There's no evidence that it matters what unicorns do.

[@kennethnystrom593]

@@someonenotnoone So you deny reality. Good luck with that nonsense.

[@Erik-ko6lh]

This explains so much history and current events it is mind-blowing.

[@J.B.1982]

This seems to be how our current authoritarianism is taking hold, through relativism. Whoever has the power defines the truth

[@jdt8983]

Brain bursting and ball plopping

[@BillyBuntin]

@@J.B.1982 ... and what was it before??

[@J.B.1982]

@@BillyBuntin More absolutism. Either can be used as a tool for it but I see too much relativism causing a society to lose itself, lose its culture, lose what makes it work.

[@BillyBuntin]

@J.B.1982 in the past you had individuals using their power to assert their particular, subjective POV as absolute. Look at it this way and see what reality truly is. Many of these cultures and social norms that you're seeing come loose were never grounded in truth, never informed by the needs and perspective of the collective. Things change, cultures shift. That is the nature of reality. They should change, and have always been changing. Don't develop a mentality of attachment. Too much Cable News, perhaps. Don't blame our natural shifting world on "relativism", when almost all of the horrors of history - and the present - have arisen from power falsely asserting itself as absolute truth (government, religion, tribalism)

[@lexruptor]

Is there a copy of this without the background music anywhere

[@upendownlinker]

Do you happen to have a version without the music?

[@melissasusan4174]

We are already there.

[@thecarlitosshow7687]

We been there

[@ken4975]

For me, the good professor has perfectly described the reality of the world we live in. He explains tribalism, conflict, and the misunderstandings that cause all the pain and suffering we see in the world. He has not destroyed relativism, he has simply pointed out that this way of seeing things dominates the politics, religions, and ideologies that everyone I know adheres to.

[@ken4975]

@@sneakytown will do

[@kennethgee2004]

What exactly is tribalism? The pain caused is because we do not share the same reality or that someone intentionally goes against reality. Does you inclusion of everyone include atheism and leftism? Does your everyone include you as the observer?

[@davidrichardson7466]

The professor is conflating words having meaning to objective morality existing. We all do create our own realities. The reason we can communicate is that culture and language gives us enough common ground to communicate. There's never been two human beings with identical realities and there never will be. There's never been two Christians with identical realities and there never will be. That's why humanity has never been able to definitively define objective morality.

[@ken4975]

@@kennethgee2004 In this context it is identifying with seeing things differently.

[@ken4975]

@@kennethgee2004 Everyone means everyone.

[@ShimmerBodyCream]

We decide on meaning by consensus and imitation. Think about how new slang terms are developed.

[@akshaykulkarni1756]

Hypothesis: In a subjective world, language couldn’t exist. However, language does exist. Therefore, life is objective. Counterargument: Assume the world is subjective. The only thing that truly exists of consequence is my consciousness. Everyone else is inconsequential. The language that I use to communicate to other inconsequential beings is possible due to my (proven conscious observer) creation of the language, which the inconsequential beings adapt since they are beings of my subjective creation. In this case, a subjective reality could exist with language. Would love to hear some thoughts about this argument.

[@veronicaflamenco]

Thank you for posting this video. So simple and yet so profound.

[@spiritsplice]

and hypocritical

[@Plopi]

If truth is relative then the statement "truth is relative" could be untrue therefore truth is not relative. And if truth is relative then the statement "truth is relative" could also be considered as absolute truth since that's what she's arguing that is true. There is absolute truth and relative opinions.

[@peeonthepenski4729]

Not if you just say truth is relative in your opinion

[@lexruptor]

So relevant to today. Thanks for posting

[@al-hassan9200]

FACTS DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR WELLBEING PROF YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT !

[@shostycellist]

He describes postmodernism perfectly, i.e. there is no truth, only narratives vying for power.

[@MarioMarioBW]

I suppose that makes sense. I'm not likely to argue that reality itself in large part isn't objective. However, that deriving of facts & truth can be met with a monkey's wrench through subjective spectacles in perceiving that reality. The adoption of facts & truth does not necessarily require considerable substantiation from reality as some may be credulous. Belief in what's considered true can be distorted, as something supposedly false can corrupt the understanding of other aspects of reality if that belief is expansive enough (i.e. religion). This is where asserting reality can easily boil down to vying for power, as there's not an intermediate party that can attest to the validity of facts & truth to an absolute degree of certainty that either would necessarily be convinced by in spite of whatever assertions either may entail. That's not to say that persuasion towards a side's narrative isn't possible, but can be excessively difficult when either is adamant they are on the side of truth while the other is not with some certainty, especially when substantiated by others they deem more credible; there would still be a degree of faith either way. That's why I believe interpretations of objective reality can be subjective to an extent, as not all beliefs necessarily correspond to reality reliably; some more so a reality derivative forging fantasy.

[@BillyBuntin]

what was it before?

[@spiritsplice]

Which is a child of christianity. "We, and ONLY WE, have the one true special revelation and truth. And anyone who defies us shall be killed." Christianity is the origin of woke.

[@Koyasi78]

​​@@BillyBuntinthat knowledge only exists orally Meaning what we know is from the written word and anthropology. "Pre civilization" knowledge thus would held be held through oral tradition by any current living ancestors. Making the possibility highly unlikely we will ever know

[@someonenotnoone]

"There is no truth" is a euphemism for "my beliefs aren't taken on faith like I want them to be." If only we had no science, and arguments and definitions were the best we could do, then maybe you'd get the blind faith you seek.

[@acommonman7950]

If we are being honest, the professor didn't really *debunk* the subjectivity/ relativity of reality as much as claim it's *better* if it wasn't subjective. And I think we would all agree with that. However, the case is that all those things that he claims will happen (people disagreeing and clashing with each other because of misunderstandings as a result of miscommunication) *if* reality was subjective, is happening right now everywhere in the world. So in a way, his theory itself proves that reality is subjective to the observer.

[@gracelewis6071]

Incorrect sir. The very fact that we have a language at all to describe certain things means there is something there to describe. What you are seeing is the result of people acting AS IF relativism is real - AS IF up can be down, left can be right. They are disagreeing on definitions of words AS IF they can be the sole determiner of that - it's absolutely what's happening on social media on a grand scale. Including and perhaps especially the "you have to submit to me" part. We did not used to argue like this - we used to argue - debate - to find the truth. The concept of solipsism was deliberately pushed on our population. You are watching the effects of that.

[@acommonman7950]

@@gracelewis6071 Wrong

[@gracelewis6071]

@@acommonman7950 Oh do please expand on your honorable thesis 😂

[@acommonman7950]

@@gracelewis6071 Something tells me you're not actually looking for an answer. Besides you don't seem mature enough to understand my argument. Remind me again in a few years and hopefully by then you would have answered it yourself. Cheers.

[@somnathghoshal103]

@@acommonman7950 what a cowardly way to say that you've nothing to contribute.

[@commonsense6297]

Wow, that traveled well with time.

[@KatyWantsToGo]

The truth is whatever you think it is until you change your mind, then it’s something else…what a realm

[@user-ku9jc1xb4x]

The truth is objective, set in absolute stone.

[@KatyWantsToGo]

@@user-ku9jc1xb4x that fact changes nothing about how we process it my friend…

[@simka321]

You've lost me here. Even if there is such a thing as "objective truth," what are you proposing to be the final arbiter for deciding what that objective truth is? Wouldn't the ultimately, objective criteria for divining the truth itself have to be a standard upon which all claimants to absolute truth agree? As you said, short of might making right and physical coercion being the arbiter of truth, is there a decider in this world - available to us here and now - that can settle this issue? As far as I know, no such standard exists, and until it does, any claim that objective truth exists is utterly irrelevant.

[@wacayssuleyman2380]

The Quran is the decider, available to us here and now. It is sent down by the Almighty Allah (God). It has no contradictions, it gives us moral anchor, it states things that no 7th century man could ever even guess, let alone tell. It challenges you to decode it and if you do decode it then it wouldn’t be from whom it claims to be sent down by. It also gives you tons of falsification tests which would help you to start your journey of decoding the Quran. Read it if you haven’t and you’ll benefit a thing from me. If you don’t see it beneficial then at least you’ve read it and nobody would tell you otherwise about it. Welcome.

[@schnitzelfilmmaker1130]

Would you say that us as people getting it right determines whether this objective truth exists or not?

[@grantstidham9322]

It’s Jesus Christ my friend. The creator of the universe

[@Aryankingz]

whether you agree with someone else about what is objective reality or not, its effects are non-negotiable and operate independent of your beliefs and biases. Putting it in the great mike tyson's logic, everyone has [ an imprecise version of reality] until they get punched in the mouth [ by a version of reality, that some call, the objective truth].

[@schnitzelfilmmaker1130]

@@Aryankingz love the way you put it lol

[@luamfernandez6031]

Solipisism, yep... Accept that... Just because it's uncomfortable, doesn't mean it is false... We are already in a battle ground of subjective expirence... That's why there's so many debates...

[@gracelewis6071]

Subjective experience of something is not reality. We can all have our own experience of something - the tale of the blind men and the elephants - but in the end it's still an elephant.

[@tomfoley5837]

1. Is the art of argumentation not built on a power-struggle in relation to conviction of one's truth? 2. This is a great analogous explanation of International Relations through the critical lens in relation to power-struggle between international actors

[@dilamotamire6870]

Reality is the same for everyone, I think. But could mean different for different sets of people.

[@1MDA]

Thanks, im in search to destroy relative truth and this is helping :)

[@chrisdeep8417]

Promote real truth and relativism will eventually destroy itself. If you haven't seen already I recommend Ravi Zacharias and also John Lennox KZbin videos.

[@malakoihebraico2150]

@@chrisdeep8417 The most part of people who prefer to belive in this "unique truth" are commonly trying to find arguments to defend a ideological view, including religious ones. It's frustrating when you know that this "truth" you're base your entire life might be just a illusion, and that's why humans are always trying to make immutable things to confort them.

[@Xenibalt]

relative truth doesn't exist

[@gmailspamacc3429]

@@Xenibalt y'all dont understand shit. objectivity exists in societal terms. its a social construct. made with the goal of allowing us to live in harmony together in society. In the most pure forms, objectivity doesnt exist. For example: there's no proof we see colors equally. In fact, colorblind people are deemed as 'sick' because they see differently. The only proof that we have that the rest of us non-colorblind folks see things equally is that we THINK and we ASSUME we see colors equally.

[@Sam-eu9go]

@@Xenibalt the entire concept of truth and reality is interpretated by men with fleshy imperfect bodies. Everyone's perception of truth is different because everyone is an individual.

[@volleyballvideos6426]

Great explanation Tim!

[@robertrhyneiii8749]

This explains the very premise behind the inner workings of schizophrenia.

[@TocaMillieMillie]

He has just described how humans have lived since we became conscious

[@brasileiroloko5375]

After thinking a lot about it i came to this conclusion: Objective reality exists but humans are incapable of perceiving it because of our unique point of view/limits.

[@v.f.]

Then it is not objective, the simple fact that I can have an opinion that differs from yours is the ultimate proof that there is no objective reality. Otherwise we would be able to see it. If we are not able to do that then it cannot be objective

[@brasileiroloko5375]

@@v.f. Thank you so much, how didnt i see that?!

[@brasileiroloko5375]

wdym

[@Notdjsbjj]

@@v.f. objective reality is what we are perceiving. The input is consistent, the form it takes subjectively is not. There cannot be a subjective reality without an objective reality underpinning it. Not to mention some things are just true. If I shoot myself in the head, I will die. If I jump off a cliff, I will fall. These are things which are inarguably, and these simple things ties our reality together intrinsically. You cannot escape the real, some things cannot be interpreted or manipulated away.

[@Notdjsbjj]

@@v.f. A fact is naturally objective by the way. You've made an objective assertion in attempting to prove relativism.

[@Intuitioncalling]

Good professor❤

[@sheilamusto7158]

He is speaking good sense here 👍🏽

[@paologeminiani]

what ´s the name of the speaker ?

[@MatthewPearsonJMJ]

www.shu.edu/profiles/timothyfortin.cfm

[@generalralph6291]

There is a trick in this monologue that I wish people could clearly understand. You could call it, relentlessly pursuing a line of thought to its extreme. You heard him say that if truth is relative “communication would be impossible,” and everyone would be in conflict and intimacy would be impossible. If this sounds plausible to you, consider this opposite extreme: If truth is absolute, everyone automatically understands everyone else without need for communication, and you must always agree with the majority on everything or else you will be a villain and an outlaw. Does that sound reasonable? Of course, this doesn’t prove truth is relative, it only shows that his argument is not a good one. Looking at the real world, we see distinct societies emerge from shared experiences, and these societies wage war and blend into each other at the edges among people who share more than one set of beliefs. This is exactly what we would expect to see if truth had equally absolute and relative aspects. We would expect no two people to be exactly in agreement. We would expect people to get along on the basis of shared ideas and to be in conflict on the basis of their disagreements. And we would not expect to discover one “correct” society among thousands of wrong ones. In fact, intimacy is only possible due to differences of opinion. If we were all the same, intimacy would be so boring that it would never last. He said intimacy is ruined by conflict. This is something only a chivalrous romantic would say. Relationships are defined by agreement and disagreement. Love is a daily uphill challenge, not a downhill tumble. Relationships are preserved by emotional distress as much as by satisfaction. In reality, the what matters for the purpose of procreation is that being with ‘the other’ produces strong emotions, not that those emotions are always pleasant. And his trick is more pernicious than that. He uses the term “relativism” by itself. He doesn’t clarify whether he is speaking of morality or truth. This is a sort of expertise among these people. If we are speaking of morality, then we instinctively understand that our circumstances change our morality within a framework of an absolute standard of right behavior. If we are speaking of truth, we understand that an individual being is constrained by the world around it, and defined by its own decisions, within the broader context of a universe that exists in an absolute sense. If this weren’t the case, there would not be different species. I wish I could argue this with the professor directly but I suspect he would avoid such an encounter. After all, he thinks he’s absolutely correct and that I am absolutely wrong. So there is no need for discussion, from his point of view.

[@subject_x5276]

I agree, he put the meaning of relativity in an absolute and useless extreme

[@humanpictures3365]

The pragmatic definition of truth is what works. And communication works the opposite extreme is wrong. By Negating that sentence we get if the truth is not relative “communication would be possible,”

[@generalralph6291]

@@humanpictures3365 There, I agree. It took a couple of hours to understand what you meant. Otherwise stated, “Communication is possible because truth is not relative,” or, “If truth is not relative then communication is possible.” Likewise, “If truth is not absolute then communication is possible.” That is the most that philosophy can offer. This holds true in even most sanitary sciences like math and physics, where physics appears to follow certain laws at the observable level while also expressing an element of randomness at the subatomic, and math follows absolute rules at the basic levels while becoming increasingly vague at more sophisticated levels. I love Norse Heathenism because it teaches that the cosmos was created in a collision of order and chaos.

[@belovedwarmachine]

How did he destroy it? Seemed to me like he affirmed it? Human history religious wars, colonization assimilation, imperialism, affirms that in the event of two, one will ultimately always yield to another

[@thechristsknight7758]

That's assuming that either one was even definitive at all... History is not always written by the victors. That kind of mindset opens the door to Critical Race Theory which purports that History is always about the Haves and the Have Nots, which lacks the nuance of Reality... The point is, on contrary, the fact that many virtues are universal shows the fact that, regardless of culture, religion, history, etc., Definitive Moral Standards exist.

[@SH-ig6rd]

I wonder if he can name one object that is not only that object relative to something else

[@senghbeh]

In other words. This journey and human experience is a personal one. There are many paths to Nirvanas, heaven, the under world, bliss or whatever you think it should be. All is mind and the universe is mental.

[@pjber]

Nice to hear someone who truly understands relativism. But then again I say that only because his views agrees with my views.

[@gracelewis6071]

You can say that because it's objectively true. A tree exists. You and I agreed to call it a tree. Regardless of what you and I call it, it's still a tree.

[@georgesquenot1404]

@@gracelewis6071 That I agree to call "it" a tree does not commit me to its objective existence, nor even to an objective meaning for "existence", for "meaning" or for "objective".

[@SergioLopez-yu4cu]

​@@gracelewis6071, well, it exists only if you assume your senses are a valid source of truth and don't lie.

[@gracelewis6071]

@@georgesquenot1404 Calling it a tree has nothing to do with what I was saying. You don't have to call it anything, and it's still what it is. It doesn't need "meaning" in order to exist - it simply is what it is, regardless of you/me/anyone and any thoughts about it.

[@gracelewis6071]

@@SergioLopez-yu4cu Why, are you schizophrenic? That's a bit of a tongue in cheek answer, but I actually saw a schizophrenic person check their reality through checking a video of the place they were seeing a hallucination, and verifying that the hallucination was not on the video. So even schizophrenic people can use their senses to verify reality. Our senses are how we experience this world. Jiddu Krishnamurti has a lot to say about this/insightful questions to inquire into this.

[@jkopitar9901]

I think that we are all shaped so differently by the realties that we grew up in and around. If every human was raised exactly the same, then maybe we’d all have the same reality. But just because people have slightly different realities from one another does not mean that we can’t have compassion and respect for someone else’s view. I don’t see someone else’s reality as a threat to my own. I understand we all have different paths.

[@paw9865]

Barbara Nagode ikr imajine if my reality was stealing and raping women 😂should i be accepted ?

[@stanislavvallus6546]

Murder could define himself as a good person, men can define themselves as women, and the system or the world would fall. On the other hand, you are right at some cases. God bless that the religions accept each other and do not lead war among themselves. *I don't defend any of these opinions I am just trying to extend the range of debate:))

[@michaeljoseph2285]

You will then never know absolute truth. Your reality is a falsehood, enjoy.

[@JLipetz]

@@michaeljoseph2285 That's BS, no one who's not lying claims to know "absolute truth". In order for communication to work there needs to be objective truths, and our beliefs either comport with them or not.

[@michaeljoseph2285]

@@JLipetz Are you absolutely sure?

[@askingoldman403]

Interesting and well explained.

[@jimmybecomesafool9525]

This is what i shout from the rooftops. How could any relationship anchor without the reference of an agreed upon ideal. The answer has been given to us. Dont judge the package dont overthink the wrapper and exalt the brand know the heart intention and accept the gift

[@Lucas-ns9hd]

The fatal assumption of this video is that there being no “absolute truth” means that all ideals are complete opposites. It’s a spectrum. How can a relationship not function when you agree on nearly everything but to marginally different extents? Here’s another example. Is murder wrong? Probably. But anyone you ask is going to have different views on exactly when taking a life is or is not acceptable. Yet no one you ask that question to will say “no”.

[@belgiancheesehead4778]

@@Lucas-ns9hd you sound smarter than the professor tbh since you don’t base your arguments on fallacies whereas the professor does. He makes assumptions and makes connections that don’t really make sense

[@kaaqo8650]

I disagree. Conflict is part of nature. When we learn, we gain experience and we use that experience to interpret things such as words and concepts. We think by association. Each word means different things to different people. When I say "car", you associate that word with your experience of a car. The same goes for ideas and ideologies. Your idea of "good" can be someone else's idea of "bad". The "fixed meanings" of words come from collaborative efforts to define them. We have a propensity to co-operate with people who share a similar understanding of things such as what is good and bad, and we tend to reject those with a different understanding. In nature, strength is always favoured over weakness, it being the ability to turn things in your favour. The strong are the ones who shape the world, and the weak either seek to become strong themselves, or take the backseat. All of our understanding of reality is derived from our perception of it. We have no way of reliably identifying truth; we can only compare which of any two things seems truer than the other.

[@Nitoria.]

The phoneme.

[@Angelicwolftears]

The truth is that a rocket needs a certain ammout of thrust to be able to break out of earth's gravity, the same rocket will always need about the same ammount of fuel, because gravity does not give a shit about human perception.

[@heatherygraine5836]

Despite, relativeness exists because perspective is inevitable. Exactly.

[@lorraine70]

This whole video and his whole opinion in it is relative 😂

[@stefos6431]

Tell this to the New Agers who say "I don't believe in dogmas" and say "It's all Love & Light"..........LOOOOL

[@gracelewis6071]

Because the new age movement was designed to spread solipsism 🙃

[@marcopolo-qs4uu]

I disagree, its not always a battle. This is such an extreme view on this where it doesnt have to be.

[@jayi.3395]

The case is that in our world people will have extreme views. We cant pick and chose which moral or values are viewed.

[@Xenibalt]

you sound like a delusional satanist

[@DREWSKIBOY1]

A view is an opinion. This man right here is talking about FACTS. Not opinion

[@SkyLess]

He's focusing on "2 persons have their own reality, so they both wanna stay far from the other and both want to put their reality over the other". It did happen, that's when 2 cultures begin a war and no agreement is avaliable. But in this globalized world and thanks to internet, we grow up more connected than ever and that includes our realities, althrough we have differences and our own opinions on things, no war is needed and we can live in agreements such as law.

[@DREWSKIBOY1]

@@SkyLess Noooo. That doesn't work. Its impossible. How cant you see that? Listen to his words carefully and honestly

[@saphiregem1275]

Thats why christ came and said he came here to divide not to bring peace. "We are confident in the victory of good over evil. " Emperor Selassie.

[@chrisdeep8417]

Wow amazing video. 3:30 this is basically a description of the modern western world.

[@thegoodthebadandtheugly579]

The real problem in the world, as Dostoyevsky said, is not “good vs evil”, it is “good vs good”. What you see as evil in other people is typically something they consider good. There are no true evil people in the world (fortunately or unfortunately), except the very few mentally ill people (literally mentally ill.. not just ‘bad shit crazy’).. most people do things they think are good for themselves, their families, their communities, their society or other social groups they feel part of - and it is often seen as an act of aggression or pure evil by other people (often not understanding or just not being able to compromise without aggressive retaliation)..

[@saphiregem1275]

@@thegoodthebadandtheugly579 actually, ultimate truth can never contradict itself. Pure is perfect.

[@saphiregem1275]

@@thegoodthebadandtheugly579 oh .. and you are saying if someone thinks its ok to have a child sex slave , for example, thats ok, because they think its good? Get a brain . Seriously.

[@thegoodthebadandtheugly579]

@@saphiregem1275 pure is perfect? Really? Where does this come from? 🙄 I say impure is perfect - how are you going to defend your argument? It is not as irrefutable as you may think at first.. 🙄

[@pauljackson2409]

This is a simple truth that EVERYONE needs to learn.

[@ianrt1958]

Even if its wrong?

[@pauljackson2409]

@@ianrt1958 Well if you can make a case for it being wrong, lets hear it.

[@ianrt1958]

@@pauljackson2409 Relativism does not preclude shared reality or communication, as evidenced by the ability of diverse cultures and individuals to engage in meaningful dialogue and shared understanding despite holding different perspectives.

[@pauljackson2409]

@@ianrt1958 Sorry mate, I subscribe to Objectivism. The damage done by relativism to our society and culture is all too obvious.

[@ianrt1958]

@@pauljackson2409 I think objectivism has done even more damage.

[@ibrahimkalmati9379]

I just wanna ask one question If reality and truth is relative then murder is right or wrong

[@josemorgan8048]

The terms right and wrong are themselves objective. How can you prove objective morality?

[@ibrahimkalmati9379]

@@josemorgan8048 This is a problem with relativism If we accept the truth is relative then we will lose objective morality. People can present right as wrong and wrong as right. Which is not a good thing

[@josemorgan8048]

@@ibrahimkalmati9379 Can you prove the existence of objective reality?

[@ibrahimkalmati9379]

@@josemorgan8048 So you according to you now I have to prove why murder is wrong? It is simple if we let everyone kill each other then it will destroy peace and civilization. If that happens then we will become more like animals. We are better than animals because we have intellect and rationally

[@uer-px1kd]

@@ibrahimkalmati9379 if laws were still kept in shape then we wouldn't have everyone killing each other. No matter if it's morally wrong people will still do it.

[@not_averge]

My head teacher actually said this garbage to the hole class She once said to us that the truth is subjective not objective, but still she didn't allow us to reaspond that it's diffrent...

[@alexander-vk1rz]

what happened?

[@not_averge]

@@alexander-vk1rz litterally what I told, she just said this

[@alexander-vk1rz]

@@not_averge yea but did anyone respond back to her?

[@not_averge]

@@alexander-vk1rz nuh uh

[@not_averge]

@@alexander-vk1rz I wanted to but ....

[@noedenisquentindodson2977]

Sartre does not end “huis-clos” with “hell is others”, it’s a character who says it. And not at the end of the play.

[@alexandrialandon9104]

just because truth is relative doesn't mean people don't agree on certain things

[@musaidhussain2991]

People agrees that's why he criticized relative truth , it mean objective reality exist and the main argument of relative truth is that there is no objective reality.

[@granitbajraktari1600]

@@musaidhussain2991 The point of relative truth is not that objective truth doesn't exist, that would kind of be a contradiction to itself, but rather that nothing is inherently objective, we can only agree what is objective. For example, 500 years ago, humans thought the existence of ghosts was objectively real, and people who didnt agree were called irrational and oblvious to objective truth. Most of what we call rationality today was founded by secularist philosophers, and not scientists that entirely submitted themselves to "objective truths".

[@jondeik]

We already do have our own realities though. That’s always how it’s been. We don’t speak the same language as each other even when we seemingly agree on definitions, we actually don’t.

[@greiratOS]

One thing I find utterly ridiculous about some philosophical arguments is the idea that bad repercussions = not true. The professor in this video almost falls into this trap. One of the easiest examples of this trap is the free will argument. When discussing free will someone is eventually going to say something along the lines of, "Well if none of us have the free will to choose what we do then where does that leave blame and praise?" These same people then tend to argue about free will from the standpoint of that it HAS to exist for things to remain the way they are which they see as overall being morally good, but what people want has no bearing on what is and is not true. In this professors argument of relativism he brings up the point of forcing your truth on someone else and vice versa, but is this not what we already do? Look at people who are colorblind. We see red, they see red, however we are both seeing different things. There is no correct red, only different reds. However, both sides agree that what they see is red with the majority side calling the other side colorBLIND. I also think that relativism is quite broad and certain forms of relativism have quite a lot of merit to them such as moral relativism which could be a problem if they are all wrapped into the same argument about relativism as a whole which this video is titled as. Now to be fair of course I agree that it is better for the world as it is that things aren't subjective as he describes.

[@vonneumann6161]

This is exactly what I have been always thinking. Why don’t they distinguish between “is” and “should”? People say that we “have” human rights but it’s actually that we “should” have human rights

[@somnathghoshal103]

but the point is does the inability of a colour-blind person to perceive colour change the physical property of the object to scatter light of certain wavelength giving it its characteristic colour? It obviously does not, right?

[@ExploreLearnEnglishWithGeorge]

ehm, he didn't destroy anything..he just shared his opinion

[@edwardwicks304]

Is that your opinion? Or is your statement objectively true?

[@danilzubarev2952]

That destroed relativism

[@catdog9612]

Communication is about transforming another's truth into your own, not necessarily yielding to it. Objectivity is a cat box, but if you can never open the box then two different competing truths can exist at the same time.

[@trebmaster]

I'm playing the video at 2X speed so he can destroy it in 2 minutes.

[@kevincurrie-knight3267]

A few points of contention: 1. That you don't like the potential consequences of something is not a good argument for that something's incorrectness as a position. 2. Reality doesn't measure or determine anything. Humans measure and humans determine things. Thus, even if we are living in the same reality - relativists tend not to dispute that we do - we may measure or determine (or interpret) that reality differently. And in cases where we do, what relativists say is that we can't settle those disputes by appealing to the common reality, precisely because that would be circular: we already disagree on our interpretations. 3. If relativism is right, how can we resolve disagreements? Intersubjectively. That wasn't so hard. 4. If relativism is right, it doesn't follow that we will all disagree on everything. It just means that when we do, there may be no singularly correct criteria or standard we can point to to non-question-beggingly resolve those disagreements. 5. It may be that there are singularly and objectively correct ways of interpreting the world. But it just so happens that there are many points where we differ widely on what those ways are. And when that happens, it seems that all of us believe that our ways are the objective ones. The better interpretation might be that while there is a single common reality, we all interpret it differently and are wont to see our interpretations - because they are ours - as the objectively correct ones. Naive realism.

[@justdata3650]

This comes across as nonsense to me. Let's break this down: - There is no way you can move forward without some assumptions and not being a philosopher I'm not going to get them all but the one that I think is most relevant is that we have to assume that reality is real and nature is not out there deliberately deceiving us (yeah, I'm not going to entertain the brain in vat BS). This is what, whether they realize it or not that scientists, engineers doctors, actually all of us assume. Given that assumption: --- We do not have our own reality. What we have is our internal model of the world (surroundings, universe... pick your poison) which is based on our senses, both present and historically. --- Assuming our sense and our receptor of our senses (i.e. our brain) is reasonably not flawed then we will all share the reality around us similarly. ------ For example, with the above assumptions being true (allowing my lack of completeness because I am not a philosopher) if any two of us see a chair, our internal models of that chair, that is, our "knowing" we are looking at a chair, is close enough to the reality of that chair that we can both be reasonably certain that we are sharing the same (or so close to "same" we can just call it "same") perception of reality. This is easy stuff, we do that instinctively. That is, we know so well how our brains, senses and the way they represent the reality so is solid that we assume a shared reality. However, it's not as much of an assumption as you may think because constant input over years shows that to be true. Without diving into philosophy because I feel like I'm getting dangerously close to diving into that rabbit hole... every person in your life when you see them interact with a chair (along with yourself), and the rest of reality, you get verification of your closeness to reality as you have the same interactions... and I guess there is an assumption there that their internal model is causing them to react in the same ways that your internal model reacts... and if I go any further I will be too far done the rabbit hole so it's up to others if they want to go further... take a course in philosophy... I need to stop, it's really not much of an interest to me. --- Where it gets more fuzzy/interesting is when we start contemplating more intangible subjects. For example: How much my spouse/partner (whatever term works for you) loves you. Now you are delving into more difficult realms and my perception may be different to yours - and probably will be - because we "judge" that with different experiences we are drawing on and from different levels of intimate knowledge as we must because it's not something as simple as physical object. These differences doesn't mean that there is a problem with our senses however, it's just a reflection of the richness of, in this case, human relational complexity, and in my opinion quite wonderful. Anyway, that's enough from a layman but I won't lie and suggest I just came up with this on the fly, I have put much thought into this subject matter on and off over the years and touched on philosophy a tad (enough to know enough to be dangerous to myself and those around me with it unfortunately).

[@Whatsinaname381]

Thank you. Just thank you.

[@geraldharrison5787]

The statement ''truth is relative' is Not an absolute truth, but a relative truth (by hypothesis). '

[@SergioLopez-yu4cu]

Just ensure predicates cannot be reflexive and that's it, it doesn't contradict anymore.

[@voges44]

this makes sense, but doesn't get to the crux of the problem. the problem remains, what is the objective truth, that binds all of our realities together, that we can all agree on? wouldn't people be more willing to fight over their objective truths, rather than their relative truth? im not making a proposition btw, just asking questions.

[@MatthewPearsonJMJ]

All reality must be held together by a Creator i.e. God. Ancient philosophy arrived at this answer and understood there must be a singular God, the Creator of all things and of all reality. Humanity was able to use reason to determine that God was One because truth and reality must be one, in other words, the truth of reality was objective. The truth and reality of any given object was determined by its Creator. The next step comes in determining who is this Creator, this God. That's where the character of Jesus is so fascinating because He makes these claims, "I am the way, the Truth, and the life." And then in the opening line of St. John's Gospel, he calls Jesus the 'Logos' the Greek word essentially meaning all reality, truth, and creation. A recent book that directly addresses your question is called Logos Rising: A History of Ultimate Reality. The book is very big but if you have the time it's well worth it. Otherwise, the author E. Michael Jones has done many interviews and podcasts on KZbin discussing the book that I think you would find very helpful.

[@voges44]

@@MatthewPearsonJMJ ty for the thoughtful response!

[@oflameo8927]

@@MatthewPearsonJMJ And that God is not Yahweh because things are not the way he wants them to be.

[@STAYYZ]

Seems like he just proved relativism. 2:18 yes you are right, the most powerful determines truth.. that's actually how it works now. Also, its not an either or scenario... if we create our own universe that doesn't mean our universes are so drastically different that we can't come to consensus... our universes will have common truths because we create them using similar tools, we build them on a human foundation. So this idea that communication and intimacy will break down completely is nonsense. All that means is we need better understanding of each other and the various universes we live in. In fact thinking that we share the same universe brings with it a level of assumption that will ultimately lead to conflict because you expect everyone to interact as you do... realizing we all have different versions of reality and striving to understand the other persons reality is where true communication and intimacy come from.

[@abhayalaukik1365]

so many bad arguments within the first minute only...

[@benjaminjohnston6587]

Damn, so deep. Love it

[@liltoxicwrld6472]

Bro tried to disprove moral relitivism with utilitarianism.... WE WENT TO MORAL RELITIVISM BECAUSE BASING EVERYTHING ON UTILITY SUCKED. L professor

[@raygiguette8677]

I disagree with his conclusion, his belief in objective truth, but I love his world model. Each of us lives in near isolation inside our own subjective bubble. I think he shows great insight and explains so much. Ironically, he finds this devastating. Can someone explain this to me?

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

Do we though? If I were to physically harm you, are you gonna complain about it? And if you complain, can I just say that it didn't happen because that's your perception? Or, are we agreed that it did and that I'm a filthy liar? Usually this then boils down to semantics.

[@raygiguette8677]

@@beircheartaghaistin2332 An example of what I mean is how we perceive color. We know that the color of a table is not a property of the table but only our perception of the table. I will not see the table same way a dog or a color-blind person does. It will even look different to me in different light. So, the table does not seem to have an absolute "true" color. And even if it did, how would I know what it was? Since our brains and senses give us only a filtered view of "reality", we PROBABLY can never experience absolute, objective reality.

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

@@raygiguette8677 Do we have a perception of what we are calling a table?

[@raygiguette8677]

@@beircheartaghaistin2332 We each have a perception of the table, but there is no way of knowing if we have (a) the SAME perception of the table or (b) the "correct/absolute" perception of the table.

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

@@raygiguette8677 So, the factual statement could be that there is a thing we are calling a 'table'. Or, that there is the perception of the 'table'... do you see where I'm going with this?

[@fanrik9583]

The social consequences of a truth, shouldn't determine its validity. To let our minds be clouded by what we wish to be true, rather than what is actually true, is ironically a very relativistic approach. This man is sawing through the same branch he is sitting on.

[@_VISION.]

What do you mean?

[@fanrik9583]

@@_VISION. exactly what I wrote. I don't know how to clarify it, unless you give me something to clarify.

[@_VISION.]

@@fanrik9583 that he is cutting the same branch he is sitting on

[@fanrik9583]

@@_VISION. The man is trying to disprove relativism, with a relativistic argument.

[@_VISION.]

@@fanrik9583 noted. I agree. So absolutists will also say "the statement 'all truth is a relative' is an absolute statement, therefore a contradiction". For one I think that is the point of the statement because not everyone is going to agree with that statement, therefore relative. Secondly, even if it is a contradiction according to logic, does not mean it is void from being true.

[@fatherlucid4995]

You explained wokeness

[@paulvincentgalgo2596]

Thanks for the video.

[@FakenameStevens]

0:26 no it doesn't lol

[@kevinlove1530]

Objectivity has nothing to do with reality. Objectivity pertains to language and language is system we use to represent our impressions i.e. how we perceive reality which are inherently subjective. People become confused about this because they're unable to discern their thoughts about what is from what actually is.

[@SergioLopez-yu4cu]

The only ways to "refute" relativism: - "Kill would considered valid and life as a society would be, in general, impossible". That doesn't have anything to do with the validity of the thesis. If it's a harsh truth, it's still a truth. - "It contradicts itself". It does only if considered as "there isn't any absolute truth", while it should be enunciated as "there isn't aby absolute truth in philosophy, sciencie... since everything requires arbitrary axioms to conclude in a determines thesis, and this axioms can be denied without contradiction unless they are logical tautologies or contradictions". This metaphilosophical (and not philosophical) thesis does only require to accept no contradiction principle (if you don't accept it, then everything can be true actually and the point remains in fact) and a couple of definitions, so yeah, relativism (the skeptical branch of relativism, more correctly, since this point comes from skepticism) is not only consistent but also the truth. If you want to consider some other "truths" besides logical tautologies, fine, but you'll always have to consider your thesis is only a necessary truth under your axioms, under other axioms it could be false.

[@Vooodooolicious]

We don't make other's yield. Intimacy isn't a battleground.

[@melissasmith1322]

Seems that relativity benefits those that want to control, as they shape the mindsets of the masses worldwide whilst making the masses believe they are shaping their own individual realities...

[@paologeminiani]

turn that music off !!!!!

[@dakotastein9499]

When truth becomes subjective,everything else falls to ruin.

[@trumpbellend6717]

The word _true_ means something is based on facts, not imagined. _Truth,_ on the other hand, refers to the real facts about something. It's *_"true"_* that the world has believers in many different subjective invisible "Gods" but the *_"truth"_* of said believers beliefs is a different matter 😜

[@Xanaduum]

He's not destroying relativism, or proving objective truth. He's defending the moral utility of a shared/agreed belief in 'reality/truth'. Ironically, based on a moral judgement and acceptance that human instincts and emotions aren't necessarily realistic. His point of view is almost religious. Perhaps one can agree with that need for shared morals and culture, but without having to believe that it's based on absolute truth. It seems both versions have big issues, whether it's micro-narratives or grand narratives. It's actually always going to be a mix of both, we create meanings and we are influenced by them.

[@Ikthus]

I can’t see where he did not destroy relativism here. He made it clear that relativism will inevitably result to conflict. Don’t you think conflict is bad?

[@matheus31218]

@@Ikthus Why it is? Do you have any idea of how many possibilities this word has? What can we even do without conflict?

[@Ikthus]

@@matheus31218 virtue is always in the middle. Too little conflict is bad, as well as too much conflict. Relativism creates too much conflict.

[@michaczerw7510]

summary of this video: it would be painful for me if there was no objective truth so it must be objective truth

[@boblikeschickennuggets661]

actual summary of this video: If there were no objective truth then there would be no truth, only power

[@CasabaHowitzer]

This doesn't disprove relativism. Sure, every statement would be basically meaningless, just like without free will, all forms of psychology and justice become meaningless. If that's how it is, these are the consequences. It should be blatantly obvious to everyone that proving/disproving objective reality is fundamentally impossible.

[@GhostBearCommander]

"Proving/Disproving objective reality is fundamentally impossible." By that standard, would you say that subjective reality is objectively provable? I say this with all respect, but your statement disproves itself.

[@jordannewberry9561]

@@GhostBearCommander Saying something is impossible to prove is not a standard of evidence. It is a statement that it can not meet whatever the standard of evidence is.

[@GhostBearCommander]

@@jordannewberry9561 Perhaps so. Still, the Law of Non-Contradiction dictates that two opposing statements cannot be the simultaneous reality of a system. For instance, if I flip a coin, cover it before viewing, and state, "the coin is both heads up, and tails up"... the statement is objectively untrue, since it contradicts itself. Similarly, the statement "the coin is either heads or tails up" cannot be falsified because only those possibilities exist. Hence, it is objectively true that the coin toss will be universally either heads or tails for everyone, regardless of circumstances and vice versa. Therefore, Truth must be objective because Contradiction would not exist unless it had a basis of reality. Contradiction proves Objectivity over Subjectivity.

[@jordannewberry9561]

@@GhostBearCommander If you don't mind me being nit-picky, "the coin is either heads or tails up" could be falsified if the coin was held sideways. A true dichotomy under the Law of Excluded Middle would be "the coin is either heads up or not heads up." Can you prove that you are not pluged into the matrix right now? Can you prove that you are not deceived by Descartes' Demon? If not, I don't think you can prove anything about objective reality. The Law of Non-Contradiction is a description of the world you experience. It is vulnerable to Hume's Problem of Induction.

[@GhostBearCommander]

@@jordannewberry9561 These are good observations and, while worth considering, also easilly usable for proving Objective truth: Hume's law of induction, a matrix simulation, or Descartes Deamon all have an underlying pre-assumption of reality to them. In other words, under the circumstances that these situations present themselves, they in essence become an attempt at using Objective truth to disprove itself. Every objection to Objective Truth will always have a nugget of assumed Objectivity somewhere.

[@samcrowe8477]

The truth cannot logically not be relative

[@SergioLopez-yu4cu]

In fact, logic proves truth is relative (unless the predicate is a logical tautology or contradiction). Everything out of the logic itself is an indetermination, so it can be denied without contradiction, meaning it never concludes.

[@donjindra]

I am not a relativist. But there are too many straw man arguments in that video. Besides, the consequences of relativism do not present an argument for the falseness of it.

[@mmaphilosophytheologyscien4578]

I picked up on that too. I understand what he was saying, but he could’ve elaborated more.

[@Shifterwizard]

This argument seems to boil down to "If X, then humans would be all unhappy. I don't want humans to be unhappy. Therefore, not-X."

[@actuallicensedteacher1846]

He's drawing out the ultimate consequences of a school of thought. This is not intended to be a demonstrative argument. I doubt he even titled the video. But more importantly, if man is a creature who seeks happiness and X doesn't make him ultimately happy, why deal with X? When dealing with human affairs, the consequences of a thing are pertinent. It is actually important to talk about the universal grotesqueness of human events should relativism reign. For, it is quite telling that all world religions, tribes, clans, and nations throughout time have NOT been relativistic. What this suggests is, at the very least, to be a relativist one must be a snobby elitist who thinks 99% of people in world history are not only dumb, but dangerously stupid. Does the relativist really want to go that far? Or, can we with keen eyes heed the common sense message one gleams from the grotesque consequences of relativism? I'll side with 99% of humanity and common sense.

[@jesserios861]

This was a good video however the music in the background is distracting. Overall good video very informative I liked it.

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

Opinions, beliefs, and lifestyles are relative.

[@NikoNikolaia]

I can destroy this professor in one word: perceptions.

[@Boxxxxxxxxx]

You already failed. Perception is in the relative domain. Truth is in the objective domain. What he implied is our subjective perceptions are hinged to the authoritative objective truth. Our PERCEPTIONS are measured by an already established truth. The only way perception can exist is if there is an objective reality housing it. A singular object is truth in this case, and the perception of that object changes depending on what angle or what light you may observe that object in. “There is no objective truth” is in fact and absolutist statement.

[@NikoNikolaia]

@@Boxxxxxxxxx who says there has to be an objective reality? Do you have proof of such claim? Even then it still doesn’t answer questions of aesthetics really well, due to the fact that people look at a number of different things in a number of different ways. This stuff is kind of basic my man. Why do you think we have so many different professions,religions and crazy ideas. It’s not all objective my man.

[@flaviorojas4292]

@@NikoNikolaia If there is no objective reality then my reality is not your reality, then why are we sharing the same reality in having a communication between two individuals? isn't because there is a conformity that we can communicate using the same language now? can we agree that we watched this video? can we agree that we are humans? if yes then you have already brought a proposition or judgement that is true. Then, even common sense is an objective reality. Ironically, common sense is not very common for people who do not have common sense like relativists. aesthetics is the knowledge of something which brings pleasure. if there is no true beauty in things then how can we even find beauty? if I say the rose is beautiful. This is true. There is an objective reality. Beauty cannot be ugly, that is the objective reality.

[@NikoNikolaia]

how is common sense common exactly? Also your limitations on what questions you ask is exactly why I don’t take your points seriously. We are humans? That’s such a stupid question. Questions like what does it mean to be human, what are humans capable of, just because someone is human does it mean they have agency, is nature or nurture the best way to teach a child. Like seriously these questions aren’t objective. The experiences that we live in are a byproduct of our environment, which can be various in different ways. You know what’s weird, I grant you that people can be objective, but the objective ways of looking are though specific methodologies. Not everything is looked into a objective light; even so that’s a perspective amongst many. There is a dualism that you are refusing to see. Just because someone says something is doesn’t mean it’s so. Especially when you are claiming a rose is beautiful. To you it might be. You can choose for yourself what is beauty to you; eye of the beholder. Reality is subjective with bits of objective pieces floating around.

[@hellotherepeople1653]

​@@NikoNikolaia I have to agree with you that Flavio's arguments are weak and based on opinions and consensus beliefs (many of which people have been conditioned/programmed to believe in). >There is a dualism that you are refusing to see. >Reality is subjective with bits of objective pieces floating around. Precisely. Dualism is basically 2 opposite extremes of the same thing, thus an objective reality is simultaneously also a subjective one. It is impossible for a strictly objective reality to exist, yet we're conditioned to believe in one, which is the root cause of a lot of problems we face today. The question "if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there to witness it, does it make a sound?" is an excellent thought experiment, because it shows how much people just assume things about reality. There is no way to prove that a tree does make a sound when no observer (and this includes any type of recording devices) is there to witness it. It is even impossible to prove whether the tree even exists when no observer is there to look at the tree. The point here is the assertion that reality is objective, is based on faith and not evidence. We tend to experience reality similar enough, that we can come to a consensus about many things. That does not automatically mean that we all have the same exact experience, perhaps we experience things differently, but we label things the same way. We all believe the sky is blue, but does that mean that all of us sees blue exactly the same way? What if someone sees red, but they label it as blue? That way, both people would be in agreement with each other, despite that they're seeing two different colors. Food for thought.

[@thejew1789]

Another objectivist mistaking truth for perspective.

[@massimocasella4201]

Ok jew

[@LearnCompositionOnline]

Are you a relativist jew?

[@gabrielcovington7651]

It's simple. He who makes the out rational argument submits.

[@matterofmind2935]

I think what is meant by relative truth is that a person should not be controlled by a borrowed truth from outside his self. This doesn't mean that each will have his own God and it will be a battle of the gods, we can still share common values and communicate to break our dogmas, while at the same time being sure that what one holds ture is not borrowed but arrived at, by logic, reason and intuition. This is not possible if there is an absolute truth -- which compells a person to act in accordance with the absolute truth.

[@denisaugustoliossi9117]

So sad people are still discussing those basic things

[@Xenibalt]

ikr truth is measureable unlike someone's fantasies

[@PatrickAMMaina]

Horribly weak arguments. The good prof relies on logical fallacies (I spotted false dichotomies, strawman and slippery slope) as well as emotive persuasion techniques (aimed at bypassing the logical mind - why?) instead of reason. He's looking to persuade small minds. His argument is internally inconsistent because moral objectivity is in itself a manifestation of moral relativity - which better defines the universe of reality. Ironically, his defective and illogical arguments against moral relativism embody and manifest the very dystopian reality that he's arguing against. Is this guy for real? Does he live in the real world? How can you reject moral relativism without imposing your better version of reality on others? By force if necessary? Oh... isn't that the "history" of the world? Sooner or later might makes right. So what have you achieved? A smarter way would be to look at moral relativity along a continuum - say as Locke's archetypal state of nature - and the starting point towards an intelligent social contract. But who needs that? Moral objectivity has a secret ingredient: CONTROL. Elites love it. Whoever makes the rules, owns the game. Try harder prof.. not buying it. :-D

[@xx0055_cz]

I see it this way: reality is relative but there is only 1 truth, which is i possible to find out for a human beeing, something like the number "p". Irracional. It's about how you define reality, but everyone must not define it the same way. For someone "real" is everything, he cen touch and see. For some one it's things he heard of too, but didn't see them for his selfe. As real can someone see things, we don't know about yet. (Like it was it real to fly for a human until like.. jusst 5000 years before. And in europe and americe just something about 500 years or less - It's called creativity) Every one has it's own reality but in the same truth. But everyone does hava his own truth in the same reality. Technicaly reality is the truth. But you cen never know the truth, it's irracional, because someone can be lying.

[@Xenibalt]

LOL WHAT? he is saying you can MEASURE truth and your ideas are just that, fucking ideaological ideas

[@samcrowe8477]

There is no objective meaning in anything. You can hope that the people around you have their own subjective realities but there is really no way of knowing.

[@CPB4444]

Why not try both?

[@Apanblod]

This is a jumbled mess of nonsense, misrepresentation and appeal to consequences.

[@sebmckay5295]

How?

[@Apanblod]

@@sebmckay5295 Well, he's pretty much all over the place during the clip, jumping from linguistics to epistemology and (seemingly) back to linguistics again without delineating the differences in what he's talking about, but some of the quotes I found the most egregious were: "The consequence of relativism is that in the end we'll all have our own reality." In his own words, as I mentioned in my original comment, this is by definition an appeal to consequences. It doesn't matter what a position might entail as it relates to the consequences, if it's true it's true. "If words don't have some kind of fixed meaning communication becomes impossible." This is an extremely weird assertion. Words don't have intrinsic meaning, they have common usages. Our ability to communicate relies on the fact that our interlocutors share that usage, not on the suggested fact that we have somehow stumbled upon the 'actual' meaning of words and are able to tap into that source on a communal level. "Intimacy becomes impossible." No, it wouldn't. Unless he has a very atypical take on the word 'intimacy'. "It's a devastating vision of the human person." He is entitled to that opinion, but it has no bearing on the truth of the underlying assertion. Now, I'm not in any way defending relativism, I'm just pointing out that the things brought up in the video don't pertain to 'debunking relativism', that he conflates different topics and that he continuously appeals to the consequences of holding a certain view, which is irrelevant. I'm not, admittedly, sure what I meant when I said he's misrepresenting (someone). Unless I missed something this time around, I think that may have been a mistake on my part. Also, it's possible that he isn't talking about these things as it's presented in the title of the video, something that wouldn't be fair to fault him for, but from what he presents, my general assessment of his arguments still stands.

[@b00tybu77chks]

Can someone explain why this is profound?

[@R4J4N]

வாழ்க்கையின் (ஜீவியத்தின் -Life) மையத்தில் நான்கு மிக முக்கியமான கேள்விகள் உள்ளன. அவை: தோற்றம், பொருள், ஒழுக்கம், மற்றும் விதி. (1) தோற்றம் (தொடக்கம்- Origin)- நான் எங்கிருந்து தோன்றினேன், நான் எப்படி வந்தேன். (2) பொருள் (அர்த்தம்-Meaning)- வாழ்க்கைக்கு அர்த்தம் தருவது எது? (3) ஒழுக்கம் (அறநெறி-Morality)-சரி எது தவறு என்று நான் எப்படி தீர்மானிப்பது? (4) விதி (முடிவு-Fate)- ஒரு நபர் இறக்கும் போதும் அதன் பிறகும் அவருக்கு என்ன நடக்கும்? இந்த கேள்விகள் நம் சிந்தனையை ஆழமாக தோண்டி எடுக்கின்றன. எமது வாழ்க்கையை சரியாக வரையறுக்க நாம் கண்டுபிடிக்க வேண்டியது இந்த கேள்விகளுக்கான உண்மையான பதில்களே .

[@bansrajmattai4548]

Culture is important to the vast majority of people of the East and Global South where people have value systems conducive to inner peace, contentment, joy, and non-interference in other peoples' affairs. In the west where value systems are more conducive to violence, warmongering, and building and selling of weapons of mass destruction, in spite of being mainly Christian and Jewish, there is almost a natural tendency to decry culture! Amazing! Not surprising that the Eastern way is now a massively growing influence in the world, as more and more people catch on to the motivations of CANCEL CULTURE! This issue is much more complex than the professor appreciates.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

The cabbala book tells you you are your own god. It promotes the relativism that is manifesting the "battle of the gods" type conflict as he just described.