Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance Tier List: Quick, Dirty, and Bad

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

46:51 Unlike Ike and Soren

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

Soren can snowball like mad.... he’s undoubtedly the best mage he sucks early but he snowballs

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

@@raidoukuzonoha883 I agree. That staff utility is nice too. I think you missed the joke of my comment. "They don't do dick" unlike ike and soren. Joke is that they are a gay ship.

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

@@Starwars-Fanboy oh I’m a dumbasse lmao

[@reviandelumiel2833]

Soren: I'm gay Ilyana: I'm hungry

[@CosmicToad5000]

Tormod: I have 2 extra mov! Tormod in RD: I’m skill fodder!

[@LuxSingsSongs]

The line about Soren being better than Ilyana because of his big gay energy with Ike absolutely made my day.

[@lisasemarron5413]

I mean there both reletivly the same all it comes down too what they do .

[@lizzy532]

We LOVE the gays winning~

[@LuxSingsSongs]

@@lizzy532 HELL YEAH WE DO

[@crocworks]

There kinda is some legitimacy to their "relationship" though. Earth affinity is one of the best affinities to have for supports in this game and Ike has that, so anyone who can support with him quickly can get some pretty good boosts, especially if they're a dodge tank. By that alone, I'd place Soren well above Ilyana.

[@ProfessorBopper]

CHANGES TO THE TIER LIST: - Janaff is better than Ulki because he can transform immediately and can more reliably double, which makes him significantly better than Ulki. This probably moves him up to around Nephenee (Credit: Noreng)

[@ulkifan9022]

This implies that you would use Janaff smh

[@noreng9333]

Janaff has 16 base transform gauge, and will transform on turn 1, Ulki needs a band to transform. Janaff is also the only one of them who can actually double

[@ProfessorBopper]

Thanks for the note! I think I mixed them up a bit with how they are in RD. I will note the change in the pinned comment

[@windmage01]

@@ProfessorBopper The pinned comment is now about how Ike and Soren are gay.

[@DaniDoyle]

@@windmage01 as it should be.

[@nathanhaulman9829]

I feel like Rolf is S tier solely that once you baby him enough having this 10 yr old mow down everyone makes the experience 50x more enjoyable. Same thing for Radiant Dawn Hard mode too he becoming an absolute killing machine was a highlight.

[@ProfessorBopper]

War Crimes are Fun Crimes

[@wolfofsummerbreeze]

I mean/meme, triangle attack.

[@daveymac5383]

Rolf one of the best characters for me dude

[@emmetth3726]

36:00 If Jill has an A support with Mist (only possible A support at that time) she won’t defect when talking with her dad fyi

[@ProfessorBopper]

I had no idea about that! Honestly, that makes everything about the Jill/Dad dynamic even more interesting

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Iirc, she'll still defect, but can be re-recruited with Mist.

[@emmetth3726]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 No I've done it on my first PoR run that was this year. The convo with her dad just is a different one and he's happy she found something else to protect. A transfered A support Mist/Jill can recruit Jill into the Greil Mercs in RD but like... god no don't the Dawn Brigade needs competent units.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@emmetth3726 Ah, I must have crossed those two events, my bad!

[@jaretframe]

@@ProfessorBopper Yeah especially with the substance of the Mist/Jill A support. It comes in at the perfect time.

[@sophiaisstillagoodunit6626]

So does someone have a link to that ike x ranulf pic.... i'm thirsty

[@ProfessorBopper]

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[@sophiaisstillagoodunit6626]

@@ProfessorBopper my thirst is quenched

[@thatonecanto]

@@ProfessorBopper thank you my king

[@murillobonson7978]

@@ProfessorBopper what have you done?!!

[@gachalibra9243]

Rolf may be a bad unit, but he is good character (And also best boy)

[@Fizzicles]

I found your channel yesterday and I am a huge fan already, love your scripted and unscripted content, I think you're great man. Thanks for putting out another video.

[@TheRagnel]

I remember playing PoR as a 9-10y old kid barely understanding what I was doing except one thing, something I could feel in my guts, using every paladins/wyverns/pegasus available every fights and never anything else, I guess I wasn't a stupid kid.

[@rockotarsoldaccount]

Stefan is to low, his stats are insanely good they can carry him just about all the way to endgame, and he can use vague Katti at base, his only real problems are, joining halfway through the game, no mount, lack of good 1-2 range weapons, and middling defense, and out of those, no mount and ranged problems are the only two that really matter, id say Stefan is high B tier at least maybe even low A tier

[@thomasdarista2782]

He also gives an extra occult scroll in a base conversation with Ike, which is a massive deal imo. On the other hand, Stephan has the lowest luck in the game, for what that's worth.

[@lifeloverNorris]

I also would put Stefan in B myself, but his availability is so bad, so I could understand others put him in C.

[@DaniDoyle]

His absurdly low luck means he's always facing crit. That combined with a bad weapon type and middling availability is a pretty significant downside.

[@Orcawsom]

Ilyana's a weird character to try and argue in favour for, but here I go anyways. She's got slightly better bases and slightly worse growths than Soren. Soren turns out better in the end but I think the early lead is more important as Path of Radiance's early chapters are harder than it's later chapters and being easier to level up in the early game is a boon as well. Shade is unfortunately not a very well documented skill, I feel like if we actually knew the consistency on it even if it's effect wasn't as potent as you suggested we would get a lot more use out of it just knowing what kind of situations you can put the holder in without having to worry. I have found it works extremely well if a Shade holder stays near a Provoke holder though. At the very least, I feel it's more worthwhile than Adept on Soren because you're not going to be having Soren going for an attack where he really needs that Adept proc. You really only want Soren going for kills or chips, in case 1 he's already killing so what was the point and in case 2 it potentially ruins a chip kill you were going to feed to someone else.

[@lizzy532]

But does Ilyana have big gay energy, though?

[@Orcawsom]

@@lizzy532 from Ilyana/Lucia A support: "You're so beautiful and strong... I want to be with you, Lucia..." yeah I have no idea where they were going with this either, but this is like. undeniably gay.

[@lizzy532]

@@Orcawsom Well, then. We stan lesbian queen.

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

I found endgame to be a bit more challenging as Titania starts to drop a little and the laguz enemy units can be annoying or I’m just bad at FE which is true :P

[@lorddelibird]

I think you might be underrating Astrid a bit in this. She is a phenomenal unit to bexp dump on because she takes half bexp to level up. It’s really easy to get her to promotion the chapter after you recruit her if you save up some of it. She will then easily be able to dominate the rest of the game without any issues and still be getting the double exp from paragon. She takes around the same amount of bexp to get to promotion as makalov does and is a far better unit once you get to promotion. I’d at least put her above him. (Sword lock is arguably almost as bad as bow lock so he’s useless unless you bexp dump him too)

[@raulroman7876]

Imagine not giving Mordecai the equivalent to a pair of boots S tier, also Lethe starts transformed so just give her a statue frag and smite and you get a second pair of boots

[@VanguardJohnson]

I'm sad your thumb nail only has ranulf x ike. Instead of throuple with Soren too

[@ProfessorBopper]

Believe me, I looked

[@leflamf.c.u.]

@@ProfessorBopper both the reply and comment itself scare me immensely

[@vanjagalovic3621]

Oscar is way too overrated. Sure he is pretty fantastic overall, but the problem is that POR enemies on anything but the Japanese exclusive Hard mode that Oscar's offenses are often times overkill and most importantly he lacks flying. You see POR is dominated by flyers after the earlygame because super canto + BEXP is soooo broken. Oscar is still good, but becomes worse the faster you play. You're underratting Jill, Soren, Mist and Astrid too much. Jill is a strong flyer you have for a notable amount of time and is particularly crazy if she gets a bunch of BEXP. Easely S tier. Soren and Mist do join with bad bases and a low base level, but because of BEXP they don't matter. You could say that it's not worth the investment it takes to give both BEXP, but as long as you play fast and complete side objectives you're easely gonna be drowning in BEXP and both have unique nieches after promotion that makes them stand out compared to most units in C tier and even Ike. Astrid is also really good because she can level up incredibly quickly thanks to Paragon, needs half the BEXP other units need and can get axes upon promotion, you should put her somewhere around Makalov tier. Overall, it was a pretty decent tier list. Keep up the good work

[@lisasemarron5413]

Slight thing it is if you only using mist for heals there like no point in using bexp on her . you can get aways with eggs and the othee mages even without canto you can just steal phychic staves from enemies. By the by soren and Illyana are like very similar when you looks at them by bases stand stand and depending on how sorry does with his level ups he and Illyana can have similar stat spread or attack speed . Other than that you pretty much summed up a good chunk on his vid

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@lisasemarron5413 Yeah you can steal enemy physic staves, but that requires either promoting Soren or Ilyana and training them up to a high enough staff rank or training Rhys up. Neither of those is very hard, but it can be faster on some maps to just have promoted Mist heal. And she can be good with a Light Brand. Also while Ilyana and Soren are quite similar overall Ilyana lacks a very useful Earth support from Ike and Adept.

[@lisasemarron5413]

@@vanjagalovic3621 truth be told you can promote them around chapter 10 or 12 if you make them attack a lot xD. Rhys will for long periods of tome will outclass until she promotes and even then she will be healimg less but mist does have more mobility . Actually thetr both still similar support is the huge difference between them actually since adept is still a chance to prove and even then if you want a more reliable set up you can just give either vantage or wrath and vantage combo later in the game . what really boils down is the supoort aspect and that's the only advantage I see soren wining in .

[@wolfofsummerbreeze]

Okay but Ocsar x Ike support is double earth and evade tanks are amazing, not to mention Oscar with bows is just *chefs kiss*.

[@vanjagalovic3621]

@@wolfofsummerbreeze Bows are pretty meh in POR because 1-2 range is king. Also Ike won't really make use of the earth support as Oscar will likely outpace him in most maps due to his superior movement.

[@raphaelbonnet6980]

Believe me when i say the gayness of that thumbnail is bringing in the new subs :D

[@m3mori]

The way I didn’t even know half these characters existed until radiant dawn... I didn’t know how to recruit almost every character and killed them all in combat! Oopsies.

[@jacobtamminga5560]

YOU DESERVE SE MANY MORE SUBS ❤

[@bobowon5450]

the fact ike isn't S teir is amazing. back when i wasn't very good at the game i would just throw ike at levels and he would basically solo everything.

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

When Ike promotes around the begnion part that’s when he snowballs at least in my experience

[@julverfeh6482]

19:50 omg, you got a new sub 🤣

[@just-mees]

I mean, a good tormod will be a heal staff + 1-2 range + bolting with extra movement while brom and mia will just still be absolute garbage when trained...

[@crocworks]

I don't recall hearing anything about supports being factored in (though I skipped through some parts quickly so maybe I missed it). But anyway, Earth affinity is pretty powerful in this game, so anyone who can support an earth unit gets pretty good. And seeing as how Ike has earth affinity and Soren can support him gives more credence to that "big gay energy with Ike" reasoning at 19:50. But it also is something that makes Oscar even better than described, as he's also an Earth affinity unit and can hand out decent avoid buffs to his buddies too. Oscar supporting with Ike is 2 Earth affinities looping on itself... if anything, that should be the real "big gay energy" there. But if you don't want a fast mounted unit to be standing around a slow footlocked unit for the support bonus, Oscar also can support Kieran and Tanith too. Tanith is ANOTHER earth affinity unit that can give that great earth affinity back, though it is a later game support.

[@fangiscool1]

Cool list. I wanna offer my opinions to hopefully generate some comment traffic to a newer channel. I suppose on a forum tier list, you would have to argue that a character is better than another specific character, but I'll just put my thoughts. You get thousands more bexp than you'll ever need, and sometimes even want, in this game, so I don't think holding bexp again Soren (or nephenee, or any other unit that comes very slightly underleveled) is reasonable. Soren and Oscar are really the only reasonable candidates for bexp early too. Soren snowballs like crazy. I'm not sure why you said he's one of the last people you would consider to give bexp. Similar for forges. By midgame, it's a chore to make 1 per map because you have so much stuff. Forging for weaker units like Mia is perfectly reasonable and should only be held slightly against them. 1. Mia is way too low. Her stats are fairly close to Ike's for a big chunk of the game, she has better promotion time, and great availability. Ike shouldn't be 3 tiers over Mia on any list. Availability is heavily weighted in this list, but Mia's availability was basically ignored. Ike's better, but not 3 tiers better. She's decent. Just give her a forge and she'll be killing things even at base level. You get more money than you can spend in this game. 2. Shinon is way too high. He's between decent and great for a couple early chapters. Then he comes back and is one of the worst units in the game thereafter. The argument for putting him so high seemed to be he's really useful for a single strat in a single chapter, which doesn't seem to justify being above really most of D tier. He should be D or F, especially considering how heavily availability was weighted in this list. 3. Gatrie is too high. He's bad. He's useful for a couple of chapters, then he's very bad. He's too slow to even get to combat. You already have Oscar, Keiran (they can have a support by the time he comes), Titania, Jill, and Marcia running around killing everything by the time he comes. He really can't do anything and his stats leave a lot to be desired. 5. Soren is good. He pretty much murders everything if you feed him some levels. He's also a valuable healer, since he's often your only magic user somewhat close to your fighting units (because he also fights). He can heal and murder everything on enemy phase on the same turn. I always end up with thousands more bexp than I could spend in this game, so giving some to Soren isn't much of a negative, and he benefits from it more than almost anyone else in the game. He definitely has better utility and combat than all of C tier. 6. I'd put Jill and Keiran above Reyson. Reyson's movement sucks and they will already be way ahead killing everything before he can get anywhere. 7. Ena is definitely F tier. She can't do anything ever. 8. Haar is not that good. He's slow and missed most of the opportunity for flier utility. His support sucks too. He's not better than most of the C tier units. You get a flier who can't double around Clash time. That just sounds awful (low mid), imo.

[@ProfessorBopper]

Generally, I like that Ike has his early game where there are no other options and his endgame when he has the Ragnell. That's about 9.5 chapters where he's performing better than Mia. Of course, their midgames converge if you throw some bexp and a nice forge on Mia, but I find that there are better characters to forge and bexp early on, but there is definitely enough cash and bexp to boost Mia. I also like the Regal Sword significantly better than the Armorslayer and Longsword during the early-to-midgame. Even though it splits the difference on might (7 vs. the longswords 6 and armorslayers 8), it's so much lighter. I think Mia never really has a time to shine, and outside of chapter 9, I rarely find much reason to bring her instead of other characters (I usually bench her in chapter 8 for the 50 bonus exp). She definitely does have promotion over Ike though. Very easily. I find it hard to judge Shinon and Gatrie because they're so nice in the early game. I really love them in their early chapters. They're not necessary but they make their early chapters much easier. Gatrie especially has what I'm theorizing as "void utility." He's really good when he's around early on, and in the chapter you re-recruit him in, and then hits the bench, only having ever done good things for you. Shinon sucks so bad though, that I do think I need to drop him. Haar has an eyepatch so checkmate. In all seriousness, I do think his lack of availability + doubling issues warrants him dropping. And thanks for the comment! It was a good read!

[@jaretframe]

I don't understand Gatrie B tier but Mist C. Having a staff bot with Canto for safe Physics, that's around longer, can rescue drop, Sonic Sword access with her high MAG to deter attackers or pick up kills as necessary, and has her availability doesn't seem worthy of middle of the pack, especially when a B unit is someone you describe as instantly getting benched outside of forced deployment. Mist offers tons of utility on chapters you apparently aren't even using Gat. I think Mist deserves low B tier and Gatrie should be dropped to the middle of C.

[@lisasemarron5413]

If you are using psychic staffs primerally then any mage can do that . if you are rescuing with her rather than heal then I hope you have reyson nearby amd for her to ise the sonic sword she needs to be B rank swords so either save the armies just for this unit that will most likely never see battles or give them to someone that can use them . like seriously I knlw what you are saying but when literally anyone else can do her job and the only thing that separates them is either canto or using the magic stat for offense ? You pretty just have to see mist isn't really that good heck even Felicia will do the job better

[@jaretframe]

@@lisasemarron5413 I'm saying she does many jobs all as one unit. You can move her into range for a physic and then Canto out. You can rescue drop. She's serviceable on Difficult mode with the sonic sword. Yeah other mage can do it but most can't Canto after using it. It lets you play the game more efficiently/quickly when she can heal units anywhere *and then move afterwards*. She is the best efficiency healer you have until Elincia. I found her very useful for pretty much the entire time after she was promoted. It's a complete package sort of deal. I don't see why that level of versatility isn't recognized. I also find it silly to compare Fates units to PoR. Most of them can fight too and the game as a whole is just balanced very differently.

[@lisasemarron5413]

@@jaretframe no no no I dont mean she isn't useful its just that long terms you can see that what mist can do another unit can also do . while mist can heal which is her main job and she does that well when it boils down too her combat prowess she does it fine if you level her normally and no master seal so that she can at least jas compenetent enemyphase stats . early promotion makes just be a support bit snd not much else m characters like rhys can at least tank magic and deal damage with magic from range while mist needs that sonic sword in order to do that but even without rhys being there the closest option of her place can be Illyana and soren while both start at e rank staffs it wont be hard to get them too get them too c rank to use them . But I will give most points on her utility that no other unit can give . my main problem with mist is that she doesn't really stand out from base unless you early promote and that will have there own problem . other than that mist is perfect serviceable unit . in RD not much really she get outclassed by even the normal laguz.

[@jaretframe]

@@lisasemarron5413 Well, at least we can agree RD Mist is bad.

[@lisasemarron5413]

@@jaretframe oh yeah it says some that even lyre the worst unit in the game can be better than her ( fighting wise cause magus can be made broken easy)

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

Your subs are skyrocketing. Keep it up Tier lists are always fun. Can we get an fe 3 one once the iron man is finished?

[@ProfessorBopper]

Absolutely

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

@@ProfessorBopper I looked the other day and couldn't find an fe 3 tierlist on KZbin. You'll get to be the first lol

[@goddessblade1242]

Ilyana would have really benefited from knives being a worthwhile sage option in any way at all Her 5x better STR growth rate is only worthwhile for being better at holding heavier books which Sorens better speed nullifies anyway

[@haroohusky]

Am I the only one who thinks Ranulf x Mordecai is adorable and should really be a thing?

[@nestec410]

Great video! Quick question with possibly long answer- could you explain how/why this game is more enemy phase focused?

[@prrrromotiongiven1075]

Games with lots of closely packed weak foes are enemy phase focused. Games with sparse strong enemies are player phase focused. PoR is definitely the former.

[@lanceran8964]

I have to disagree with Callil's placement. She joins midgame and when she does Soren and Ilyana will definitely be promoted and have gained access to staff utility. This is something Callil severely lacks. The two of them are contributing average damage early game while she is doing nothing. She can make up for this if when she did join if she is like Niime, but that's the problem. She is just average when she does contribute, and her combat is worst than Soren's, and practically the same as Ilyana's. Her damage isn't bad but it's nothing spectacular. Compared to those two who even if they get rng screwed can still heavily help with staff utility. POR is a enemy phased best game which makes mages suffer so staffs matter more then magic. Especially until Mist gets her horse, which if you are not abusing will likely be after most characters promote.

[@conradkorbol]

You are wrongly assuming I did t give Doreen knives. Which I do every time because he is edgy and likes to threaten the languz with skinning but everyone knows he is too weak to be a school knifer so everyone just laughs it off. Now I know people will think this is head cannon, but it’s the only cannon I experience.

[@lanceran8964]

@@conradkorbol Fair, I love it. Play the game how you want

[@lifeloverNorris]

Great list. Agree with you pretty much everything except I'd put Mist at B because healer on a horse, you can't go wrong with that, especially in a game with canto. I also don't think Tormod deserves to be in F, just for celerity alone.

[@RobotGuy405]

The only reason to ever train Sothe imo is for Radiant Dawn transfers, which are not guaranteed and not at all necessary.

[@Neogears1312]

I feel Titania is as good as she is because of bonus exp. Titania's biggest issue is she's reliant on her growths to see how far she'll be a key player, but bonus exp ignores this and the fact she doesn't level up naturally for a while even if you give her every kill never comes into play. She's already top 3 but bonus exp makes her the best by far.

[@Neogears1312]

I also feel physic staff's are really useful in this game.

[@bmomgrimm6242]

IDK half way through my first run of PoR and Oscar is riding the bench where he belongs, I think in 5 levels he upgraded skill once or some shit but effectively it killed him being on the team.

[@beexxxy]

>Mia F tier me, a noob who used master seal on her : "Bullshit"

[@ProfessorBopper]

master seal mia is the new meta

[@HeavensBane53]

Only person I think you straight up did dirty is Nephenee. Outside of just being a fun character, she's honestly really strong if you invest in her. Those initial few levels are rough but she can quickly become a beast and absolutely carry in the late game. One of only 2 characters (the other being Jill) that has never failed in my many runs of this game to give me a good return on investment. Also on that note Jill should really have been S tier. The other character I have a bit of beef with your placement of is Soren. He's a bit challenging to see through the early game sure, but he's another character that will absolute come through for you if you put the time and resources into him. Has generally the best stats of the mages (at least in my experience playing him, don't have the actual numbers) and on rare occasions his solid speed stat, support with Ike (if you go that route, but I mean why wouldn't you) and good terrain can make him pretty survivable through sheer avoid. Not a tank by any means but a pseudo one in a pinch and not someone you need to play too carefully with.

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

I will say Soren early is shit but around chapter 9-11 he starts getting busted like because of his high magic and speed he will start doubling and hitting enemies like a truck so I think you’re underrating him cuz his chip damage is an issue early on but around Chapter 9 he starts snowballing

[@CosmicToad5000]

I think you really undersold Tormod. his bases are bad and he comes pretty late into the game but at this point you have the rescources to train him and aside from Astrid or Makalov, he’s the best growth unit to add to your team during the mid game. When trained, he’s the fastest of the mages since has has the best Spd and also has an actual str stat to reduce the weight of the heavier tomes. He’s not even hard to train because he comes at a point where BEXP is plentiful and unlike Soren he’s not stuck with a shitty tome for like 6 chapters when he joins. Invested Tormod is essentially a cav that trades canto for better 1-2 rng and hitting on res. I don’t understand how that’s a whole tier worse than Sothe, a unit who is only useful for one chapter in the entire game and Nephenee, who starts off even worse than Tormod, doesn’t turn out as well as him due to infantry mov and being lancelocked, and doesn’t even have enough of an availability lead to be that good by the time he joins. Personally I’d put him in C tier behind Stefan. I also think Calil, Haar, Bastian & Largo are too high for their availability. The first 3 don’t even have that great combat and of course prepromoted sages get knives to balance them I guess which mean that mediocre combat is all they have going for them. Largo’s combat is great but he’s barely around to make a difference. I’d move Calil & Largo to high D seeing as Calil has decent Availability & Largo is very good for a unit you don’t have to invest anything into. Bastian & Haar to mid D, around Tauroneo considering he’s also a late joining prepromote with pretty unremarkable combat. Like they join at the same time/slightly later than Ranulf who only has slightly worse combat and the transformation gauge to deal with yet he’s at the bottom of D & Haar is in low B.

[@clarkmilstead9927]

I’m doing my first play through after doing all the routes of 3 houses and I’ve been looking for a tier list for reference. Also, I’ve reset bc I’m bad and I want to know if I should resist the urge and let more units die (like I did with the first Laguz girl and brom)

[@IfWhatYes]

For games that aren't 3 houses letting units die makes this series much more fun, for me at least. You're gonna get so many usable units like taureneo and Geoffrey later on that letting some good units die is totally fine. It kinda makes the story feel better too when someone you like has to die to beat something thats hard

[@protopink5941]

haven't finished watching the video yet but I did skip ahead and noticed you put Tanith over Haar. As all things should be. EDIT: NEVERMIND I THOUGHT CALLIL WAS A-TIER LOL

[@hakkesho12]

The savagery of tossing units in lower tiers for the sake of symmetry, but if that ain’t me 😂😂😂

[@ilovenierreplicant2983]

I think if you're playing fast, Tibarn could be argued to be better than Gifca on Hard Mode because Tibarn can fly over to Ashnard, which I think is slightly more useful than Gifca's 9 move and better combat. Although if you're playing the map fast Ike should just enemy phase Ashnard twice with wrath resolve and destroy him completely. But I would say that in just having slight in a sorta big map with a lot in the way, Tibarn can do more? Unless maybe if you do AI manipulation Shenanigans and have Ike pull Ashnard to Gifca. Dunno if Ike has the move to do that in a fast enough time in comparison to Tibarn's 2 turns to get into the action and get tear Ashnard up.

[@ilovenierreplicant2983]

Also as a Soren fanboy I'd move him up. Although talking on a bit more objective sense, because he's an early game mage he has the entire effectiveness against Laguz on his magic, it makes magic forges with him pretty strong and it gives him that good niche. He's also a good candidate for both the speed wings, and Seraph robe you get from chapters 1 and 2, because it moves his bulk up to where he could survive a bit more than before, and allow him to get a bit more into doubling. His support with Ike is also pretty good because they have comparable move and Soren loves the bonuses Ike gives, while Ike on the otherhand does get pretty ok bonuses from Soren even tho double earth with Oscar is better, but that does force Oscar to play a bit slower. I think for these reasons Soren does have a very solid use as a unit and would put him in B. He has some REALLY good niches other units in the tiers below would kill to have. That's me though. I've always used Soren (because he's my favorite fe character,) I might have a lot of bias for him. he almost always manages to become a godly dodge tank for me tho, especially because he can promote and he's a pretty good candidate of promoting. Also I think I'd move Boyd down just because his bulk isn't that great, he uses a weapon class that does weigh him down significantly enough early game that makes his survivability a bit iffy, and his support partners aren't that great for the boost (or aren't good units.) Boyd is awesome tho, I just think he can struggle about as much as Soren, even if he does have a great weapon class with Axes.

[@ilovenierreplicant2983]

also talking about personal experience and delving into subjectiveness. my Boyd always get speed screwed.

[@bigbigchungusbigchungusbig1117]

Nasir can be incredibly good with wrath resolve, if you gave Ike aether.

[@Hebleh]

I think you massively underrated Janaff, but good tier list otherwise!

[@EclipsedSonic]

I feel like Soren should at least be B tier. Maybe it's just me but I've used Soren on like 3 playthroughs now and he has always been pretty good to me. Past like level 11 or so he basically doubles everything except like ravens. Though this is just my experience and I could see his 40% speed growth being shaky especially since on one playthrough I had a Boyd who only leveled speed like 4 times and had like 14 speed by Endgame lol. I don't know if you take supports into account but I think Soren and Ike's support actually help them out quite a bit and they can both become decently reliable dodge tanks on enemy phase (more so Ike since he can also have a double earth support with Oscar and that combined with Oscar supporting Kieran (who can later support Tanith who is also earth) really trivializes the game). I know you said there only being 3 master seals is a problem but I think the best candidates are Rhys/Mist and a mage (Soren/Ilyana/Tormod). If you choose to early promote Soren then he can level up his staff rank faster so he can use things like mend and physic which is pretty good especially since his dodge tanking helps him survive on enemy phase, which is something Rhys and Mist don't have going for them. Then again this is all just my experiences using Soren and maybe I've just always been lucky with his level ups. Also Ranulf does not start out transformed, only Lethe and Janaff do iirc, but I think Ranulf should still be higher because he still probably has better stats than Lethe at the time he joins except maybe speed unless you've invested a lot bexp into Lethe or something and his gauge starts out almost full so I'm pretty sure he can transform by turn 2? Good work with the list, I've really been enjoying your content

[@francoisturcotte3982]

I've always used Soren and never had a problem with him especially considiring his support with ike but again i might be radian dawn bias cause he's a beast in that game. Still i take him cause i think he's the best mage in the game, got a nice support with ike which can be transfered to radiant dawn with a memory card and the gay love is just too touching.

[@Elite_Teach]

One hell of a thumbnail

[@domc8089]

Theres a lot wrong with this list or at least things I disagree with: Before that, S tier and F tier are fine, F would be better if you moved a few units down, but we'll get to that later. A: Jill, Kieran, and Tanith are good here. The rest not so much. Let's start with the easiest to address: Mordecai is good, but not A tier good as he was worse gauge than Lethe, so just bump him down one tier. Next, Volke. Volke has nice bases, but the problem is hes locked to a bad weapon type and promotes very late, to a point where you might not be deploying him anymore. Again, bump him down one or two tiers. Boyd is not even a mid tier unit. The biggest thing going for him is also thing that makes him suck because he loses so much AS from axes at base. Hes only good if he snowballs in spd and str, which is very unreliable. His promo also sucks and bows are almost as bad as swords in 9. D or F tier for him. B: Lethe, Maurim, and maybe Calil are fine here. The rest, no. Haar joins too late and enemies are so bulky that by the time he joins, he doesnt deal significant chip. Two down for him, for sure. Gatrie is an armor knight, so hes pretty bad and when he comes back, hes just not really doing anything of value, so two down for him, as well. Ike is the worst part of this entire list by far. His bases are garbage, his promotion is horrible, and he gets outclassed by every sword user that you for some reason rank below him. Yes, even Mia is better, though not by much. Your data on Ike vs Mia is flat out wrong because she has better bases and doesn't get weighed down by iron so I dont know what source you're using that says he's better. They're both godawful, don't get me wrong, but ike doesnt garner such a massive lead. If not F tier, he's D. Swap Makalov and Astrid. Makalov starts with swords, which again, worst weapon in FE9, but hes not atrocious. C: Refer to above reasoning for Astrid, but also because it's not that hard to train her up when she has paragon. Soren should be lower, since theres essentially no difference between him and Ilyana. Stefan, bump one up. He is a foot unit, but he has really good bases which you'll definitely see more use out of than Ike. Bastian is bad. Mediocre bases, bad availability, and doesnt even have staves. Again, if not F tier, hes D tier. D: Bump Zihark up one. His combat is good for a little while, but definitely no longevity. Still decent when hes there. Elincia should be bumped up by two. She has a really good base mag, A staves, and a peg, so shes the best candidate for mounted rescue. Bump Nephenee down. Her bases and wrank are bad and she isnt worth a deployment slot to do what other units could be doing with said slot. Ranulf, maybe bump up by one, since his bases arent too bad, even for the lategame.

[@farmingsim9813]

Calling Ike worse than Mia is just wrong in my opinion, his earth affinity/Oscar support makes the late game maps "tolerable" in maniac mode, you can also give Oscar provoke and have Ike equip the Sonic Sword to ensure Oscar is the one in combat assuming Ike is at least decent at that point.

[@domc8089]

@@farmingsim9813 mm. I meant to say his base stats are worse. I actually didnt think of that argument of provoke in conjunction with their supports but I didnt remember a provoke scroll. but regardless, idt there's any denying that the huge gap between Ike and mia isnt justified. Edit: also he based the list on HM, so bringing up MM isn't especially relevant

[@ItssTyler]

I agree with most of what you said except for Ike/Mia, and Soren/Ilyana. Most people will have a trained Ike that will be broken for the 2 last chapters (Ragnell and possibly wrath/resolve or aether). His combat is okay when he’s promoted but promotes late. He is very mediocre but at least is there the whole game. The promotion thing is the only pro I’d give Mia over Ike, by the time she joins Ike’s stats will always be better (obvi if we consider 0% growths then this doesn’t apply). I think people are underselling the two starting mages. Having a two range option hitting enemy’s weaker defensive stat is always a good trait and worth investing into. Both mages have good combat potential, and don’t start out awful. It’s not the most difficult task to give them kills. They can pick off enemies that your other units can’t always get. Staff on promotion is nice but they do have to build rank up first. Having a heal or physic is always useful to have when your mounts are preoccupied with other actions and can’t heal. Imo maybe b tier. Feel free to disagree :) Edit: I also disagree with Boyd. He is one of the best foot-locked combat units, and having good combat is always useful for routing enemies. Also high availability.

[@fangiscool1]

bruh, some of these are some hot takes. And unpopular hot takes for a reason. A: First, Boyd is good. He's pretty dominant early and midgame. He starts doubling after a couple chapters. He also can use the hammer for early knights. He has great stats, best weapon type, and 1-2 range access from the start. He falls off towards the end because of his movement. The 'weighed down' argument doesn't make any sense either. He starts with the same effective speed as Oscar when wielding iron weapons. You're just making stuff up based on intuition here instead of numbers. Boyd snowballing strength and speed isn't a lucky thing like you're implying it to be either. He has a 60% strength growth and 45% speed growth, same speed as Oscar. He's a unit with high strength. Of course he gets weighed down by steel axes; everyone gets weighed down significantly by steel early in the game. He's easily at least B tier. He's solid and doubling for most of the game. Only falls off when the game starts being dominated by mounted units late. B: Ike is a solid unit. He's got a decent early game, decent midgame, decent lategame, and amazing endgame. Solid C tier unit. He's also better than Mia, but they should be somewhat close on any tier list. C: Soren is good. Just look at his average stats, utility, and availability. Not much to be said here. You're just obviously uninformed in this case. D: Nephenee is definitely decent. She has knight ward access, 1-2 range, and only comes slightly underleveled in a game where you're flooded with bexp. Definitely at least C tier for her. "She isn't worth a deployment slot to do what other units could be doing with said slot" isn't an argument. You rank units conditional on them being used. By this logic, don't ever deploy anyone except Titania, Oscar, Keiran, Jill, and Marcia, and put everyone else in F tier.

[@domc8089]

@@fangiscool1 Boyd literally has 3 AS with Iron Axes (which weigh 10) at base 7 str and no AS with Hammer (15 wt) in a game where effective weapons are 2x mt. And you're telling me that I'm making stuff up based on intuition. 60%s and 45%s are not reliable, because they have a very real margin of error. Next time you call someone out like this, don't be a hypocrite. Ike doesn't have a decent earlygame or midgame whatsoever. He is a foot unit who's locked to swords and gets weighed down by iron sword's 7 wt at base 5 str. The only chance at him having a decent endgame is if you get lucky with his stats and put wrath resolve on him. I contested already with another reply that I meant to say his bases are worse than Mia's, but yes, you're right on him not being worse than Mia. 1 point for you. Nephenee may have inherent 1-2 range access, but it's not good whatsoever because she only has 8 str and 11 spd which knocks her AS down to 8. The only lances she can use that dont weigh her down are Iron and Slim Lances, which is pretty embarrassing when you remember that PoR enemies have high bulk. The thing about BEXP is why bother giving it to any of your non-mount units, save from Mist, if she is lagging behind in EXP. Even before the section you claim is more mount dominated, mounted units will heavily benefit from that more than anyone else because of higher mov and axes for most of them.

[@Joseph-vh2rg]

Nobody gonna mention The New Abnormal at the beginning?

[@brendancoulter5761]

Ike is in C tier? What? Hes only ok at the start I get that, but he gets good fast and then can solo the rest of the game as soon as you nab an occult. Even before that hes perfect for slaying bosses wich is what he is made to do. I can see him not being S tier because you actually have to try in the early game but hes an easy A tier. Sometimes I feel like people talking about FE games act like needing to put any investment into a character makes them low tier, thats just not how the game was designed to be played.

[@wolfofsummerbreeze]

My Nephenee was S rank every run though. She crit like woah, had speed and tankiness.

[@dddmemaybe]

If it flies, it flies. *nods head

[@MediocreTasteTM]

based

[@Cyborg609]

OK here we go.. I have owned & played Por for about 15y now and have 10 playtroughs under my belt (5 of those on hard mode) and have done Ike + full mage, full canto and even full general + halberdier runs. -Oscar on S tier He really has like shitty starter pokemon syndrome,. Decent to use all game and many people just don`t have balls to bench him since they had to invest time on him early game. He doesnt come with any skills, lacks in strength and still after promoting 20 can be weaker than Titania. Only redeeming quality with him is that fast A rank supp with Ike and if you invest Sol+Aether on this duo you can slaughter any map while they dodge and drain tank whole enemy army. -Marcia on S-tier while Jill is A Yea.. Marcia is a speedrunner favourite, cause in PoR you can just dump all the early game bexp on her and duo the whole game with Ike. If you are willing to wait till Jill joins she will just outperform Marcia in every way and late game you can even support her with Mist and B rank with Haar and have this mobile trio of death. -Volke on A-tier while Sothe sits in bottom of D? Just no.. Volke is still a trash combat unit and no way in hell A-tier. Even a bexp abused assassin Volke with Lethality is nothing special since knives just blow so much in this game. Yea Volke can steal enemy weapons better. What actually valuable is there to steal that Sothe can`t? Pretty much physic staves from sages/monks and Sothe can take those. Sothe sucks compared to Volke, but 4 tier diffence.. no. -Boyd A-tier why and how? Ike is whole tier lower. Boyds Occult skill gives him extra dmg vs opponents with lower con.. Those enemies that he needs more dmg are usually higher con than him and there is no almost any other skill that he can use well. Warriors suck so much in all FE games and even when Boyd is one of the better ones he still sucks compared to mounted units and special treatment herolord Ike in PoR. -Morde/Lethe in A-high B-tier? Just wtf man? Non canto laguz units that have nothing special about them and even in the map you get them you have to command them with Ike on the side so they dont waste the exp since they are green units in that map. You get ranulf and muarim later and they are on par with mord/lethe if you bothered to train them anyways. -Gatrie in high B-tier So he is really good in couple of early chapters and you slap him straight to b-tier? Dunno.. personally I like gatrie and brom since with knight ward both of them can become best generals in FEs with capped speed. -Makalov above Ike and geofrey A freaking swordlocked underleveled cavalier with mediocre growths and shitty weapon rank is ranked higher than forcedeployed lord with op masteryskill & late game op personal 1-2 range sword and prepromoted paladin with good weapons, ranks and even a paragon skill for easy catching to others lvls? You really love what others hate and hate what others love? Ofc makalov is good as paladin in fe9, but he is still the worst mounted unit in the game (mist and elincia atleast can heal even if they are worse than Makav in battle). -Tauroneo in bottom half of D-tier You do know daddy T. has Resolve aka PoRs most broken basic skill?! OK bases, both weapons A-rank, comes with good weapons and can even abuse the knight ward on rest of lvl ups for that bonus speed and you dare to put him D-tier?! He even can pretty safely be in resolve range cause his high resists and hp cap. -Tormod F-tier Yea.. without bexp i would also rate him this. but what are your bexp use options anyway? Early game marcia/jill and then 8-9lvl to Mist so she can go valkyrie. Rest of the game there really is not anyone else and if you slap it on Tormod he becomes the best sage in the game utilitywise. Soren can ofc put out more dmg on high levels with his more often proccing adept, but atleast tormod can keep up with titania and other mounted opness. I usually just bench all the magic users beside rhys/mist, but if I wanna use one Tormod is my boi. Otherwise I agree with this tier list of yours.

[@danvocals123]

Not that i disagree but it seems odd to say shinon is bad - to F tier but also you've never recruited him lol

[@blankblank6214]

bastion can double with siege tomes an under rated unit because he dont use a staff

[@ProfessorBopper]

Damn, he can double with a siege tome? That’s a pretty cool niche. Just wish there were more siege tome for him

[@blankblank6214]

@@ProfessorBopper if I remember right you can get 2 meteors 2 Blizzards and a bolting by the time you hit clash if you save the siege tomes

[@dddmemaybe]

@@blankblank6214 so he's really money expensive to burst attack with, assuming you can buy them at the time. if you got cash he could be clutch.

[@blankblank6214]

@@dddmemaybe like I said in the other comment you get 2 Blizzards 2 meteors and one bolting assuming you kill the enemy using that tome and collect it before it's gone also I don't think you can buy siege tomes in PoR if I remember right

[@raidoukuzonoha883]

@@blankblank6214 availability is an issue he has as he’s at the backend of the game sadly never used him cuz I had Soren who snowballed to the point he was my best unit

[@ryanschuyler4840]

So for the sake of symmetry, garbo units moved up. I can dig it.

[@zengamer321]

Jill doesn't turn into a Red Unit if you A support her with Mist.

[@gummigamer4614]

For oscar you could've added an S- tier using the program.

[@patrickschoof739]

I have a lot of feelings now that I'm done

[@blankblank6214]

doesnt knight ward nephanee have a 100% speed growth

[@fangiscool1]

no lol, the Nephenee fandom has just overrated her. She has a 55% base speed growth, so 85%

[@Traten65]

I can't believe I got baited here by shipping art in the Thumbnail and it's not even sourced

[@ProfessorBopper]

www.google.com/search?q=ike+gay+fan+art&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS871US871&hl=en-US&prmd=inv&sxsrf=ALeKk033XWL4BBKo18owl6aUr_DJ4Obs9g:1603901119615&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj82vSj1dfsAhVDU80KHQkoCQ4Q_AUoAXoECAoQAQ&biw=414&bih=724#imgrc=AnojU_plRKOe7M

[@Traten65]

@@ProfessorBopper sometimes you just gotta get angry and complain haha

[@xeratovildan9871]

This tier list is so bad, Titania is clearly one of the worst units in the game. Just hack your device and port Nino into the game, she has absurd base stats and w a y better growths. Titania has like, 10% magic. Good unit? Nope. Nino has like, base 3 defense. Good unit? fUCK yeah

[@ProfessorBopper]

👆

[@adriendillenschneider747]

Mia not F

[@michaelbarnes1356]

Ranulf being this low should be illegal

[@takarahayashi4124]

This is PoR, everyone is S tier. a fart in the wind can beat this game.

[@Master1Morrison]

I clicked for the gayness that is Ike Soren and ranalf

[@zonaldzuck1859]

Barely anyone has played fire emblem warriors for youtube 👀👀 you definitely could

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Hot take of Mia. Yes, she's pretty bad, but if she gets just a few points of strength and defense early on, from the chapters where you may as well bring her anyways, she can actually do very well for the rest of the game. Yes, counting on statistical anomaly isn't exactly the best idea, but if you're using her for those first few maps anyways, then paying attention to if she gets lucky and "fixes" herself can't hurt. You drop her when she doesn't turn out, and get pleasantly surprised when she turns out okay.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

And Volke's 50 gold is a meme. Most thieves in the series cost uses of a Lockpick or something, which is money.

[@fangiscool1]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 yeah, but that money doesn't really matter because you generally don't have to buy more. It would only matter in an fe7 ranked run or something @Kain, Mia is definitely underrated. She shouldn't be two tiers from Ike. They're both sword-locked with reasonably comparable stats, and Mia can promote earlier.

[@Juan-zs6jt]

Mia does 0x2 in her first map. She is not going anywhere.

[@fangiscool1]

@@Juan-zs6jt no she doesn't

[@jaredgilbert422]

Is it bad that I hate Sothe so much?

[@dallenpierson8239]

Boyd’s bows are underrated cuz of how strong and fast he is. Get that boy up to bow level b and give him shinons brave bow and use the hammerne staff on it and he is BEYOND busted. Also, our bois Stefan and zihark are A tier, and you can’t change my mind

[@extremeoutlawking1771]

in my personal tier list ike, ranulf and soren are s tier simply because I think they're gay. but your list is ok.

[@ProfessorBopper]

I made a mistake not putting them all together

[@Khrene]

I clicked for the Ike and Renaulf ship

[@wooperfloss]

Mia really worked well for me, but I guess I just got RNG blessed.

[@ProfessorBopper]

Nah, everyone is PoR is good, it’s just when you compare them too each other, Mia struggles. But with investment, she works

[@AlexaRobin21]

@@ProfessorBopper If everyone is good, then the one with low movement and bad weapon will be less good than everyone else, right.

[@spongbobsquarepants3922]

@@AlexaRobin21 Also bad bases

[@Juniperjungby]

Wait how do you have 500 subs now wtf

[@ProfessorBopper]

That’s a very good question!

[@Juniperjungby]

@@ProfessorBopper I am happy your channel blew up man you stuff is good (glad I got to find you so early)

[@MajorIzan]

Soren is definitely better in Radiant Dawn than PoR the Sages in the game are just shit compared to their RD versions

[@lifeloverNorris]

Soren is still shit in RD lol

[@Katie-hb8iq]

In my view, Oscar's strength problem at the start of the game can be circumvented through forging. Just make him an Iron Lance with a lot more Might and those few extra points are basically giving him 5-7 more level-ups. That way you can level him naturally, saving bonus experience for marcia and jill and maybe soren who can benefit from it more. Marcia and Soren in particular can be problematic to train at their join times since their defense are low, whereas Oscar doesn't really have that problem - he can tank better than most. I know Boyd is considered good, but I don't really like him. His accuracy sucks at the start of the game, and hand axes are kind of useless when your defenses are trash. It takes him to level 14 just to match Oscar's level 1 :/ Ike at least gets there at level 8 or 9, which is a lot easier to do because there are a lot of axe units to feed on. There are also some chapters where Boyd is missing, which puts his levels behind and Ike always surpasses him as a result.

[@Kymewc]

This is my favorite fe game it's also one of the easiest in my opinion anyway

[@yungthunder2681]

Marcia is better than Jill in POR and that's a FACT

[@sweepjk5258]

Lmao the thumbnail XDDDD

[@keldeo05]

Shinon? More like Shitnon

[@focuslane9305]

This guys tier list is way off. sorry.

[@mr.s.i6642]

A guy rating characters based on his personal liking 😂🤣

[@ProfessorBopper]

You ain’t seen nothing yet

[@blankblank6214]

titania becomes useless by jills dad chapter

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

She never becomes useless. Her stats are still good by then and forging will rectify any str issues

[@blankblank6214]

@@Starwars-Fanboy yes but if you use her properly she caps level and the there is no point in using her

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

Her stats and class are still good even if shes level capped.

[@blankblank6214]

@@Starwars-Fanboy why use a capped unit levelups are more fun until final chapter

[@Starwars-Fanboy]

@@blankblank6214 I agree that having level ups are more fun and one of the main things I love about FE is seeing a level up screen and getting a bunch of +1s. However if we're trying to make an objective tierlist, what we consider "fun" shouldn't be a factor. Even if Titania is capped, she can still contribute. Theres no reason to penalize a unit solely due to the fact that they are capped.

[@murillobonson7978]

20:50 shade is reliable when near shinon xD

[@murillobonson7978]

I hate the tumbnail, thanks