Progamers vs Earth 2160

[@LordDragox412]

Oh my, Earth 2160 was an incredible game, I still remember how every single race played. It's actually pretty simple once you get the basics. There were also some cool features like controlling the unit from first person view, just like in fps (for example maining a tank or an aircraft). They didn't seem to understand that you really need defensive structures to survive, and they were pretty lost the whole time. It would be nice if next time you taught them a bit about the game's mechanics, as it would be much more entertaining to see the old game's competetive scene come to life once again, even if it's for mere few matches. The campaign was also amazing, even through it got hard a bit for some races because aliens op xD But there are rebalancing patches done by the community, which help a big deal. On the release day, the game was worth five bucks. For me, it was incredible as I didn't think of it much when I saw it at the shop, yet it stormed my heart and took countless hours off of my life, and made me ignore all AAA titles for good few months. And the box had this cool device with a blue led light that made the stars on the box shine. Ooh, so fancy! Good old games, how I love you... :D

[@LordDragox412]

***** Well, it's been some years since the release, so pardon my mistake. I was pretty sure you could still control the unit in first person view, and by that I mean through clicking, so maybe I wasn't clear enough or my memory's just funky :P I didn't use that feature more than twice, and as I said, it was only a cool little feature they've added that was mentioned in most reviews at the time of release :P

[@TotalBiscuit]

Regarding "They should play" requests. If the games aren't on GoG, then they won't get played for this sponsored series, so please check the GoG catalogue before making suggestions.

[@Quarter360]

For the love of the franchise, I suggest Stronghold Crusader. The first one. Would love to see their macro plays, adaption to instantly built fortifications, and designs of their castles.

[@some_person_1]

Nick Rhodes I agree. Stronghold: Crusader would be great! :D Also, I would love to see Settlers 3 or 4!

[@117superdude]

That's a shame. There are so many games that would be interesting that aren't on GoG. Does this series have to be solely sponsored?

[@SeanCrago]

Privateer 2 would have some range/make for decent stories

[@TheEduardo81]

Empire Earth. Come on that's the very definition of a classic.

[@nutzeeer]

tutorial: the units can be equipped with rock paper scissors like weapons and armor, which is important to choose correctly. research can easily be done through the tech tree from the top right of the screen. there is a button. foot units can lie down. this makes them slower but they aim better and get hit less. bottom left are unit control buttons. foot units are cannon fodder later on. i think indications of wheter a unit attacks ground or air was seen.(in production tab , the plane symbol and the |) Symbol.) it is VERY important to pay attention to the efficiency (weapon type) as the correct type of weapon easily deals 10 times the damage.(which i think is cheesy as thats the only thing that matters.) only if your army consists of all types of units the army size matters. unlike in starcraft buildings need energy to function. you need an ammonitions depot or your units can run out of ammo.(except energy weapons, they need time to recharge). research center is self explaining. depot is needed for maximum units. ed: build an exit to your base so units can get out. you can build walls and mount cannons on them. lc: be carefull when stacking buildings as there are buildings nothing can be built upon. ucs:never played them aliens: you transform all your units from one basic unit which needs to be close to resources to get energy. this race is OP so maybe a 2vs1, if experienced is interesting. personally i would want the gameplay to be more standart without extreme damage buffs when the correct unit type is used, as everything comes down to that. maybe GOG can make reality pump deliver a patch for a late sucess of the title. i know these pro gamers have better things to do but what about learning this game a bit? its way slower than sc2 and has yet to have massive battles. i never saw anything happen about this game. i once started playing the campaign and got halfway through, never finished it. the simple mechanics make it too easy versus computer. i would love to see WCS mini matches with different games in between matches. best regards

[@marcinzysko1653]

ucs: never lose your last building unit (drone) and your last heavy unit factory - otherwise you wont be able to build anything more

[@malky2583]

I love how korean smack talk is so polite.

[@SketchAndEtch]

Supreme Commander would've been perfect for them, it's mechanically simple as a bunch of sticks, but it has tactical depth to it, which they could apply

[@waswat]

I found earth 2150 much more interesting... Especially with how difficult the campaign was! 2140 was great as well with its 2d aesthetic... the soundtrack was decent. I'd say 2160 was probably the worst of the series, still interesting to see axiom players deal with it :D

[@manictiger]

I agree. Although E2160 looks better, it didn't feel like an Earth21xx game. Also, no tunnels.

[@nutzeeer]

there are some mods i didnt try out yet that want to remedy the flawed gameplay to what we know

[@JAnx01]

I remember them like this: *2140* - a generic RTS of the era. Not bad but nothing special either. *2150* - HUGE depth and complexity. Teching up a creating new custom units alone is a game within a game. And a fun one too. The gameplay/combat is decent, but I don't like how fast units run out of ammo - like a tank is out of ammo after destroying another tank. The graphics haven't aged well. *2160* - they decided to make the game more streamlined to make is more accessible, which usually terrible thing, but this one is still complex enough. The tree has shrunk compared to the previous game and now fits in one fixed menu that fits the screen. This is partly because there are fewer upgrades, but also because the icons are tiny as they should be whereas 2150 had this idiotic scroll down menu with massive buttons only few of which fit the screen at a time. The downside is that some of the more unique weapons / technologies are gone and individual weapon technologies don't excel at specific thing as much as before as opposed to 2150 where you often had to develop a counter technology in order not to get obliterated. For example shields had to be developed if the opponent had lasers weapons, otherwise you wouldn't have been cooked. In Earth 2160, individual weapon technologies no longer have such a drastic impact on the outcome of battles. It's certainly less exciting, but was probably done to make the multiplayer more balanced and less punishing for players who choose the wrong upgrade path. Base building is much improved. Each faction now has a completely unique way of building bases, the most interesting bone being the continuous base of ED, but a nightmare to repair if things for wrong. The campaign is no longer about Earth, but is a space adventure instead. Pretty good, at times almost scary. The graphics are gorgeous even for 2020 and always will be. The units are incredibly detailed. Even when you zoom all the way in on alien creatures, they look slimy and like they were taken out of a first person shooter. Overall, I don't consider 2160 to be inferior to 2150. A bit streamlined and different. Just AST 2140 is different to 2150.

[@manictiger]

I know what was throwing them off... There's something like 6 different damage types, so if you use anti-armor guns against a building, it's not going to do a whole lot of damage. It's more about damage types than teching up or spamming units. 5 anti-armor vehicles can take out 15 tanks and a couple electro-laser towers can take out a dozen infantry. It's not OP, it's just specifically designed against the units he keeps throwing at it.

[@Skittles694]

do the same with 2150!!! that i really want to see!

[@PANCZASU]

Hm, I feel like reinstalling Earth 2160 now xD

[@RealistReviewer]

"I hope we get to play some modern games" You're sponsored by Good "Old" Games not likely xD

[@AlexTwentyfive]

LC for life! Earth 21xx was a very fond part of my childhood and it's great to see it show up again. Seeing all the games recently re-released on Steam was like a dream come true. Also though, it's kinda hilarious to see just how irritable SC2 pros are when you take them out of their comfort zone.

[@TooSickG]

lol these two ragging on each other is great

[@RomanTreutlein]

i wish TB would commentate these.

[@sirmidor]

he can't though. he'd have to learn the game inside out, just to be able to commentate on a single match.

[@RomanTreutlein]

sirmidor makes sense but since i have no clue what is going on the video isn't really interesting to me. Even though i like the concept.

[@sirmidor]

Roman Treutlein neither did i, but it wouldn't be fair to expect TB to explain the rules of a game he didn't know before this video. the man's busy enough. i like the concept of the show, but it's not for me. i would however like it if TB commentated on it without knowing anything about the game.

[@LenHarms]

maybe TB can't commentate this because he doesn't speak korean

[@sirmidor]

Len Harms are you stupid? he commentates Starcraft II even though most players are Korean, which he doesn't speak.

[@malfegore_7043]

Aww gosh I kept on reading "progamers" as "programmers".@_@ Still fun to watch though. :D

[@pringles_mcgee]

"the game attacked my eyes" hahahahah

[@Dasmaster1]

Aaah.. Earth 2150.. How I miss teh.

[@kirbpaign6666]

If they ever do another of these have them play the Earth 2160 New Earth Project Mod, it adds so much too the game and changes every faction completely from what it used too be.

[@MenelikiGaming]

earth 2160 is one of my favourite RTS games. really cool to see pros playing this!

[@Hy93Ri0n]

I'd love to see them play planetary annihilation

[@W4lt3r89]

Or Supreme Commander. Or even Total Annihilation. *edit* Personally I'd love to see them play Total Annihilation.

[@blodstainer]

This makes me wish GoG gets hold of the Dawn of War franchise :P

[@TuckyAndrei1]

i would love seeing them play more of those older rts

[@JadeSune]

Ohh! This reminds me of Dark Colony! Edit: I would also like to see Planetary Annihilation played by these awesome folks :D Or Total Annihilation with the new 3.9.xx beta patch and some other rad developed tools :D

[@brandonvortex995]

i like this progamers try out a different game for the first time, they been pro enough to play starcraft, broodwar and starcraft 2 long enough. Time to test out different game

[@blackice64]

They could give Warlord Battlecry 2 or 3 a shot. It's pretty old as well, but it had a lot of unique factions and some interesting mechanics.

[@Moorbote]

I really like the subtitles! Good work, translator! :D Also, amazing games (I guess?!)

[@Darkwolfe73]

I dunno about the game but I could watch the dialogue between these two all day lol

[@Kade514]

You know what'd be cool? Seeing them play either Ground Control 2 or Total Annihilation. Both games are very different from Starcraft 2 and I think that it'd be interesting to see how well they react to either a very micro-focused game or a very macro-focused game.

[@AUScorpion]

Obviously they should play one of the Warlord's Battlecry games. I think I remember seeing at least one on GOG.

[@Sonnjer]

They should play: Total Annihilation and/or TA - Kingdoms. Both games are on GOG.

[@oberchobo]

The trashtalk between these two is hilarious... Crank owns him

[@Dwarfurious]

Oh wow i've always wanted to see something like this, using your pro team to play some other RTS's, just throw them in and see what happens

[@Ceratisa]

The Terran's macro was actually pretty good for what I assume to be high silver/low gold players. as he attacked he was reinforcing rather well, which is probably where his control went though.

[@gabrocki]

I absolutely fucking loved this game, even though I know it wasn't that popular. I'm surprised TB made a video on it.

[@methos151]

They Should play Univere at war: Earth Assault, its a really cool RTS game

[@roslolian11]

Great concept for sponsored content. Like other posters have said please have them try Stronghold Crusader!

[@broxieful]

They should play Perimeter! Would be pretty amusing, I think

[@Destoffeldv]

pro gamers vs dawn of war 2 elite mod :)

[@NaviPearlescent]

This was fun, make more video like this please

[@Wiktorino1984]

Polish developer Reality pump stop making RTS games after Earth 2160, they go in RPG games like Two Worlds, Two Worlds 2. Its one of oldest studios in polish stage they are very experience and making games long before CD Project Red shows. I loved this rts is not perfect but you can do anything You want in this game. You think SC2 is better but is not really true SC2 is far simpler gamer and much younger. I love SC2 but EARTH2160 give huge fun.

[@janpawulonduo2137]

I wonder how would they have reacted to Morphids :p

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

This really makes me wish Hostile Waters had multiplayer.

[@deaddu]

When are they playing Empire Earth? or did I miss it somewhere.

[@stupetify]

It was quite funny, they were both seemed maybe too adapted to playing Starcraft 2, neither of them made much headway past infantry or scout vehicles, there was still plenty of giant walkers and tanks they could have researched.

[@soldiersPL]

I dont get it, why it takes so long for them to learn basics when its such easy game ._.

[@biomerl]

I did request this last time, but the more often I say it the more likely it will be seen. I'd love to see a video of this and Total Annihilation. It's on GOG I think.

[@petrpinc7695]

If you guys will try to play Earth 2150 you will be in great trouble dealing with basics and minimap which isn't too much heplfull on a big maps. Yep if anybody thought Starcraft is hard to play, he had never tried Earth series or any other complex game where dealing great damage to one unit doesn't mean you will do the same damage to same unit but with different type of armor.

[@ElitegoodCat]

would love to see them playing Age of Mythology

[@ilikewasabe]

basically crank is playing terran and alicia is playing zerg... and the interface is not user friendly even for pro gamers.. being a modular building its hard to get upgades or connect teh buildings if there is mountains beside you, i dont know if its intended to limit building or what but it seems a good game to try out

[@ThatDjinn]

That was very fun to watch. Since they would like a newer game next time I'd say Dawn of War 2 maybe? Requires large amount of micro but doesn't rely on build orders so you can just pick it up and play. I still hope for something like Sacrifice or Original War though OW might just be too... original to play without practicing. Also Stronghold Crusader would be pretty self explanatory if they ever played any Settlers or Anno game. And I have no idea why I'm typing all this since TB doesn't take requests anyway ^^

[@FerrumIgnotus]

This game seems very interesting! Good going TB! Was this Your idea or did GOG came up with it?

[@MrProthall]

They should play: The settlers 4 ;) Would be fun to see and it's on GoG

[@ZOCOM15]

They should play World In Conflict next.

[@ZayneAdmiraal]

Would be amazing to see them play Total Annihilation, especially if they make it to late game...

[@justindowning3845]

lol I need to learn how he said "You're getting wrecked" in Korean. Hahaha. I get why you're doing this. Its the sponsorship from GOG but it also shows your players personalities and I can say I think Alicia is hilarious after watchin' this video. Thanks for these TB :)

[@Darkabyss290]

YOU CAN'T FOOL ME! I KNOW THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT POKEMON!

[@protogenxl]

Total Annihilation needed

[@lucwarfel]

YOU DONT LAND TWO COLONY CENTERS! ESPECIALLY THIS EARLY!

[@pascall0]

Cool Logo!

[@BigFootTheRealOne]

Anywhere they play supreme commander forged alliance on a 20x20km map.

[@danielm739]

I used to play this game too :P.

[@liquidblack477]

i swear the best games i ever brought were random without any planning (this and sotc)

[@topanteon]

I've no idea what GoG is but Stronghold: Crusader 2 is what they should play.

[@Jimbovang]

GO UCS they're my favorite faction in the Earth game series

[@woytaz]

It's UCS :P Also, ED for the win!

[@3Durka1]

IWoytaZI LC will beat them all..

[@3Durka1]

***** Thats why I like the 2150 version more :D

[@FrankB1110]

That was quite lovely

[@williamfrancis4912]

What is the mechanic where Crank's units were entering Alicia's buildings?

[@Technogeist1987]

Well the buildings had four people icons under them, and he sent two people in to a building which then had 2 people icons on it, so I'm guessing if he sends in 5 he takes over the building? That would make sense to me but I'm not sure.

[@theraptor2715]

Technogeist1987 If i remember correctly the people icons represent workers and the less you have the less efficient that building is

[@stupetify]

Buildings in Earth 2160 have workers in them, the population of which affects how efficient each building works. All infantry have the ability to aggressively enter buildings and for each that enters kills off one worker. If all the workers are killed then the next units of yours that enters it isn't killed and instead converts it to your side and stays there as a worker (although if you evacuate, which all manned buildings can do, then its still a infantry of the right type rather than the worker unit which are fairly useless). Building that are connected like the Lunars towers and Eurasia's networked buildings have to have all workers in connected buildings killed because you can convert even one building but the lone lunar harvesters are quite easy to capture and worth it given the comparative costs of 5 infantry vs the harvester.

[@massivepileup]

I recall 2160 having a pretty bad rep compared to 2150 with serious balance issues (worst would be the Alpha Aliens who are utterly useless unless you somehow manage to get their spaceships going without being crushed). Also internet activation DRM at a time when that didn't happen much.

[@SketchAndEtch]

There were excellent community ballance patches released out there. As for aliens, they were strong even without the patches, but you just had to adopt a completely different philosophy to all other factions. It was all about fast replication and endless spamm of units that died by the thousands, but were raping enemy's economy output. You had to migrate a lot as well, moving from resources to resources like a plague.

[@Tehstroyer]

Online DRM? First time hearing about it. I'm sure I played it on a non-connected PC. Maybe it's just Polish release that didn't use it?

[@SketchAndEtch]

Tehstroyer There was an one-time connection verification after the first launch, and that was it

[@massivepileup]

In those days that was still fairly extreme though.

[@nutzeeer]

i want them to have a giant battle

[@Ein0r10]

Dark Reign 2 could be interesting too :D

[@Gnug215]

They should play... Total Annihilation!! :)

[@Amoth_oth_ras_shash]

lols..''why arent the weird tanks attacking'' ''the ships ?''... guess he dident read the fat letters saying ''refuel & support'' when makeing them XD

[@kael13]

The art for this game is so bad :o Everything looks exactly the same. Would love to see them play some Battle for Middle Earth 2 or Warhammer 40k!

[@gongal]

This game still looks cool

[@blodstainer]

Have CranK or Alicia played 2150 before?

[@josefdawson5284]

Haha I love their banter

[@BlockMechanics]

I wonder if Grey Goo was inspired by this ...

[@thymp]

The mercenaries are op. That's the only reason Crank won those 2 games ;)

[@Amphok]

make them play starcraft broodwar....oh wait joke aside i want to see supreme commander

[@Thromash]

Interesting game, never heard of it or seen it. This amuses me. =)

[@temujinkahn22]

Men of war! no base building at all.

[@1doom777]

Very nice like this kind of thing.

[@anorawxia]

is this game based on dark colony?

[@Wiktorino1984]

Its based on Command and Conquer after they evolve this game little into starcraft and other games and gives some good ideas. First Earth 2140 shows in 1997 same time when Starcraft 1 shows. Its really old series.

[@TonySki]

So does his team speak Korean and English or when TB talks to his team does he need Google Translate running all the time?

[@WoishiI]

tb speaks korean atleast i hope xD

[@Assinibionz]

Well Crank does know english on i'd say atleast a decent level (Not perfect but not awful as well :) ) Also Olivia is there somewhere to help. Heres a link if you wanna know more about the team: wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Axiom

[@maagiapall]

Woishi Please don't state your absolute random guesses as fact, this is how misinformation spreads

[@WoishiI]

Magix rude didnt say it was true did i?

[@IIFrozenFlame]

Ground Control II

[@DrPillzherr]

It just burns me inside to see how Blizzard claims that Starcraft is famous even though it only survived just because of the Koreans, like, most SCII players that i see are Korean

[@panaxioius6791]

pls play total ahniliation : commander edition PLS

[@endre1989]

PRO gamers... god damnit. -.-

[@marcinzysko1653]

This game is more like a C&C than Starcraft, though it shares some similarities.

[@FrozenSolid131]

Dungeon keeper, play it. Please :)

[@ProjectPetri]

lol awesome :D enjoy´d this alot

[@TheRealXartaX]

alots are indeed known for being enjoyable fellows

[@vankaiser2311]

STRONGHOLD CRUSADER plz

[@Nihiliste-]

I guess with 3 games only they are the best E2160 players ever. Thats how UNcompetitive E2160 is.

[@orisis666]

lol they should do dawn of war 1 next

[@morgorth3242]

player Earth 2140 and 2150 :D

[@beufis6979]

Huh, crank kinda looks like butthead.

[@Saintie23]

the totalbiscuit has lost this channel

[@Docyang]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 스투 흥했을 시절이네

[@omegariuswolf]

This is why starcraft players should stick to starcraft. Hearth 2160 is kinda like the super pro leagues.

[@BeerForKids]

Your Not a Pro RTS Player unless you have Played TA now that was the shit and still is Can easily Rival starcraft in skill level yet its older than Starcraft 2. Please Do Total Annihilation for a future video like this.

[@MrSamtrix]

I feel they should have learned the game first. Then it might have been more entertaining.

[@Goblinade]

Holy fuck, the drm was awful in this game