Progetto 65: The Nerfs That Changed Everything | World of Tanks

[@juanjodpr]

Some tanks went from zero to hero, this one went from hero to even worse than zero. WG sure made the middle finger to all those who didn't buy the Lion.

[@shapeshifter7676]

The worst thing is that it wasn't even broken before the nerfs

[@mr.jx5n324]

what are you talking about, i still see this tank in almost every random battle and people are doing quite fine scores in it. sure it is nowhere close as good as it used to be, but it's most def not worse than 0

[@dejvaju5052]

You are little bit exaggerating. While its obvious that WG hates this tank for no reasons, nerfs weren't actually that big, especially if you take in consideration that from the time progetto was released, we got bounty equip and new types, directives and field mods... If you actually put optics, stab and vents in 1.1 and bounty stab, aiming, vent + field and directive, you can achieve the same or even better stats than on initial release.

[@bonevgm]

2nd worse win rate by a T10 medium tank. After nerfing it significantly they turned a balanced tank into an under powered one. Then they nerfed it again. The hate for the Progetto is brutal.

[@scoundrelh7582]

@@bonevgm it was not balanced before the nerfs, it was way too good. Single shot gun accuracy, with an autoloader, very troll armour, and it could mount a rammer. There's a reason it was nerfed, and it's not just because someone didn't like it.

[@michabury2759]

Armour nerf is something that can be approved. But cutting gun was just pure pile of kaku.

[@JP-be9cx]

Skiiieeel! Thank you for the massive effort for the index page. May I suggest adding patch notes per tank (nerfs, buffs, sidechanges) so that we can see how WG adjusted our favorite tanks?

[@Dalkian]

The nerfs needs to be reverted. They also need to make auto reloaders be able to use intuition. Imagen if you had 3 shells and hit a intuition switch, now each shell takes 2s each to reload instead of just getting one shell.

[@baohungle5410]

Unfortunately, they don't give a fck about making the game better. They put little money in making lootboxes. Our money goes straight to their pockets and returns in forms of nothing but lootboxes. They might make some small balance changes that practically do nothing once or twice a year, but that's it. There's no hope for our game as long as WG's still in charge.

[@rafaszyszka8728]

​@@baohungle5410 look at this from CEO point of view, game is earning money, game has solid player base and solid community, lootboxes are bringing better and better profits. There's nothing to change to make the game better because it is in it's optimal place. Whenever players will start to leave the game and stop buying lootboxes, then game will change or will be dropped.

[@GrenadeMK3]

Probably it could happen to Leo 1 considering Vickers turned up. Even they are not same nation

[@godofmoi96]

wouldnt make any sense now where the vickers isnt on sale anymore, would it?

[@catnipaddict126]

@@godofmoi96Progetto 65 was nerfed AFTER Lion was done selling

[@godofmoi96]

@@catnipaddict126 was it? lol then wheres the point in that?

[@ozrenkuzmanic6433]

My dear progetto!!! RIP😢

[@atalan09]

Lets see. They sold Lion then nerfed Progetto. They sold KPZ then they nerfed Chief. Now they sold Vickers - will they nerf Leo or Centurion AX ? Or both ? 🙂

[@kostkacukru1776]

I agree with Lion and Vickers, but be honest, everyone was crying on chieftain. Tank itself was just too OP, even now after nerfs it can hold one angle easily. It's just boring because of DPM and pene nerfs.

[@jakub7777]

They sold the 780, they nerfed nothing, they sold the 452k they nerfed nothing, weird

[@damond11111]

@jakub7777 are you about that? wasn't the s conq nerfed ?

[@jakub7777]

@@damond11111 They nerfed nothing similar to its playstyle, S.Conq was nerfed cause it was overperforming AF, same as Chief, 279, Kran, VZ.55 etc… and they know they fucked up the progg (wg said this directly to CC), cause the nerf was based on the thing that it was played too much, but they didn't take into account that it was top of the tree and two times at BP in one year.

[@damond11111]

@@jakub7777 yes i do understand but vz55 is still broken AF the same goes to 60tp (noob friendly tank) and t110e5 (if the player knows what he is doing). And about progetto wargaming is still sniffing dirty socks , by the way on the eu server i saw alot of new tier 9 premium being tested e77 ,DZT-159 ..... but they cant afford to put new playable maps (other then corridors) or invest money in a good server instead this hamster powered BS server or fix the game bugs (garage button is bugged sometimes) when platooning and your teammates does damage it's doesnt show orange anymore , steel hunter bugged ability you want to land something in front of you the camera goes backwards , the battle pass mini window and others small windows are bugged into the garage they never disappear

[@gorans9756]

How to survive progetto 65 nerfs: play 1-2 games with Lion, and 2-3 games with Carro 45. After those two Progetto 65 feels great! 😅

[@posadist681]

Lol

[@asagkoyundelisi832]

Italian tanks need to be buffed urgently. Especially Rino. A tank far behind the game.

[@Orcone]

Progettos should be that versatile tank that relyable can shoot from a distance and control the engagement with the versatility to single shoot or clip. The drawbacks should be the armor and dpm (Any autoreloader should have that). I was 100% agreeing with the armor nerf but i never got why the gunhandling got nerfed too. I still have the feeling they missed the switch and accidently hit the tier 10 instead of the tier 8.

[@barnabascsongradi9004]

Gun handling was almost same as Leo, but it had armor and autoreloader. Way too OP, but nerf was a bit too much.

[@endahummukharis2838]

Armor should not be nerfed. Wtf dude Progetto already have that weak turret, having some additional protection wouldn't hurt, it only have 50mm of extremely sloped frontal plate before. Anyone with sane mind, will aim the turret. This entire nerf to justify Lion is just crazy

[@Orcone]

@@endahummukharis2838 You either didnt read or you just want tanks in the game that contain no soul and do it all. The whole point of the progetto is that it is a mobile unarmored platform just like the leo. But compared to the leo, tvp or the batchat the prog still has slopes that can bounce some shots. The upper plate made it way too obnoxious to fight against in a brawl. It made one third of the overall profile unhittable. The upper plate still works against guns up to 120mm so its mostly nerfed against heavies. (Where it should not be brawling against anyways.)

[@kieranlong5671]

I never got to play it at its best, but i absolutely love it in its current state, my 2nd best stats for a tier 10 after the e3, but the e3 is just easy to play. The only thing id love for the progetto to have/think all they have to do to buff it back up a bit, is add the italian heavy mechanic so you dont loose your progress if you shoot early and it would be perfect

[@gkera82]

I have to say i got Progetto after the nerf, and actually the first t10 tank which i was able to mark recently. I truly love it and became my favorite tank even in this form. Cant imagine how it could felt before the nerf. :)

[@exostriker3315]

I had this tank... WG decided to remove rammer... DPM was horrible even before... And again, armor nerf and gun nerf... totally clueless to play this tank

[@paulkirby2761]

And yet still considerably better than the PoS Vickers you said was "amazing!"

[@primafacie9721]

Great news. The first tier X tank that I did not buy or be grinding to get just as WG nerfed it. VZ 55, S Conq, Minataro, etc. Now I'm holding off buying the CS-63 because I don't want my WOT tier X curse to be responsible for getting yet another good tech tree tier X nerfed.

[@scrhymn]

They added a reskinned cs63 the hurricane. They arent going to nerf the cs

[@traumino02]

vz, s conq and minotauro all deserved to be nerfed unlike progetto 65. as for the cs-63, i doubt it's gonna get nerfed. try grinding for leo 1, e100, 277, is-7, e50m, just to say some... they're all pretty good tanks and i doubt any of them will get nerfed.

[@drompimccoy9501]

I remember, after Nerv, most streamers told us : ah it is still not to bad, its playable Now you see tier X Progetto in 100 games 1-2 times

[@meinungsfreiheit7004]

Don't forget the reason it got nerfed (It was already pretty okay statistically just being below 50% winrate on tomatogg), the reason was it was 'too popular'. Now it sits at 47%. Gj WG

[@oshitomaha]

Why do I always get these tanks when they get nerfed??😢 almost all my tanks manage to stay around 3k average damage but this one I can’t get it above 2600 for fucks sake.

[@-vvwen-5661]

It was fun playing the game, started playing a few years back but its hard grinding as a f2p cux of the credits so im quitting the game I wish the WOT community the best :D

[@jariheimoluoto4959]

Progetto is still fine. Kran got fuckd way more and it is still kind of fine aswell with right equipment and field mods. Progetto did not need a nerf. How ever the nerf it got was almost irrelevant. It never had any armor. The gun is till perfectly fine.

[@goomStar]

What is kind of sad for me: The Standard B got a bit of the Progetto-Nerf too... Standard B is the true hero of this line

[@Taooflu]

The grind to the 65 wasn’t great, but it was so worth it. It was fun a tank, didn’t feel OP at all… and then the hammer came down

[@JohnDoe-xl1ig]

Coffee + watching skill punish WoT player mistakes always a good morning.

[@ax8635]

I have grinded 3 lines till T10. The first was this one and got nerfed to the ground very early. The other two is 60TP and Leo1. Let's see what will happen with them.

[@EmpPeng2k7]

Had to shake my head at the tortoise in fisherman's bay

[@DvdV1337]

It can work. Just dont drop your load too fast.

[@ddrfreak4578]

Serene Coast battle when you said T-100LT can't clutch that one. From personal experience I did clutch such a match at the exact map and my heart rate was 160+ cause I was shaking like mad... Never say never :D

[@oldguyplayin5828]

i still love the prog meds with all my heart. I enjoy how tanks handle and still think the gun is pretty good!

[@yaodai2459]

Armor nerf and DPM nerf were okay for me but the gun handling nerf basically threw me away from this tank.

[@stankyleg6449]

Hey Skill. on your index page armor layout, us common folk get massive adds that cover the icons to switch ammo types. Can you please move the icons?

[@reaperex9608]

0:00 Good day sir, its been quite a while, but i was on vacation and hadnt time in the morning, but im here, im ready for my dose, lets go!

[@ΟδυσσεαςΑνδρουτσος-ε8μ]

I still like it! But it was better indeed...

[@hydromind4101]

1933 days of premium is wild

[@lajosnagy4331]

Luckily I changed to War Thunder and I am happy I did. I didnt have the patience for teams like we have nowadays

[@bikedoc4145]

WG definitely shouldn't have clipped the balls on this one, it was real popular and people loved it and definitely was not OP like some others in the game but that's what WG does best, fix stuff that doesn't need fixing the WG way

[@cartonks.2492]

i used to love this tank, wg has taken my love :(

[@favorius]

They made Progetto top of the tree tank and battle pass tank. Then they nerfed it because it was so popular. Unbelievable.

[@favorius]

Taking one for the team to mess up they will for full happiness. :)

[@RuanLFC]

Skilll!!! You missed rigged brother in arms ,,, thats not like king baboon 😂

[@bambamujls]

“Russian Bias is how it is” that’s the one thing I’ve learned from playing WOT all these years.

[@Kikice2000]

Skiiiil pls play type 5 heavy

[@gonzor73]

My only one Pool is on progetto 65, after nerf version. 12 kills...

[@friendlyreaper9012]

This was one of the most petty moves by WG. They nerfed it after lion was released which is a lot worse than nerfing it before. They were basically saying f*ck you to everyone who didn't buy the Lion.

[@leeuniverse]

What's even more funny is I thought the tank was TRASH even BEFORE the Nerfs.... So, Wargaming is such a JOKE. I thought the tank was "sluggish" and the gun just wasn't good for me, thought can't remember exactly why now. The Standard B and the T8's are the good tanks of the line. Though, to be fair, I didn't/haven't used some of the "best" Mod's etc. for the tank to see if I could make it good enough, didn't bother since the other tanks were actually decent enough to keep.

[@ossiosric6283]

This DPM suxxs so hard ... Lion is way better. I loved this tank far in the past, but after the nerfs this tank makes no sence anymore. Even if you shoot only once, wait for the reload and shoot once ... over 8 sec reload for 360(+/-) is ridiculous.

[@Herty69-v6x]

am grinding now proggeto 65

[@Formulka]

Look how they massacred my boy :(

[@IwsonV6]

skill i like 3D models, GJ.

[@karolisandri4380]

Everytime i decided to go for a tier x tank before getting there they nerf it :D

[@lanelesic]

I seen the title of the video and thought Progetto 65 got another nerf 😥 Dont give me heart attacks mr skill4ltu it was nerfed too much already.

[@KristijanSremec]

Best youtube streamer EVER.

[@Shinyo888]

Is it worth it to buy progeto 46 or Caliban?

[@FlasHunterz]

prog 46 yeah of course caliban NO bad tank

[@gujeffrey5433]

Depends on how good of a player you are

[@Shinyo888]

@@gujeffrey5433 my wn8 ist about 1.1k but I in last 30 days it's about 1.2 to 1.4 k

[@nimenea]

Can someone make a petition to buff progetto?

[@kybble]

Nerf Buff and rework just means rigg.

[@baohungle5410]

The nerf to this tank is one of the most disgusting things WG has ever done. They manipulated their players by nerfing what we enjoyed to absolute trash, so we have to spend time on grinding other lines, or spend money to buy other tanks. As I said, if this dogshit move ever happens again to another tank we enjoy, the Leo1, I quit the game permanently.

[@LeCoude76]

I dont understand when they say change tank cause it's a beast common everyone can grind this line, every player can get the tank. So you dont like it, it piss you off go get it.

[@diatonicdelirium1743]

WG nerfed Progetto to leech resources into the Lion. Simple money grab, nothing to do with love or hate.

[@bartoszton4875]

i can tell you what tank is going to be nerfed next. everytime i finish grinding my line to good tank it is getting nerfed... really got xp for it and then nerfed is announced xdd

[@viktorf4de]

Awesome video! Keep it up, my banana lord! 🍌

[@AetherYes]

The nerf to my beloved Progetto 65 that has made me want to nerf premium tanks my sweet Progetto 65 .... I will make wargaming regret nerfing you I'm going to nerf every single premium tanks starting with BZ-176

[@traumino02]

used to love this tank but after the nerfs...ehh...it's still an okay tank. progetto is far from being bad but it doesn't really shine anymore sadly. playing with it now just doesn't feel right.

[@safari99sm]

they nerf normal tanks but dont touch game breaking premiums... Im done with this game!

[@poserbob6888]

Yeah WG nerfs tech tree tanks to sell premium tanks. Disgusting, filthy company

[@Whaley96]

Bruh i played this game for like 10 years and finally had enough like 3 years ago because it just became so repetitive with the introduction of a line thats a little op then after a few months or a year they nerf it, then cycle repeat.. How skill hasn't gotten bored needs to be studied...

[@LoneWolf-wl3he]

I still like this tank..

[@ScottGenX]

i just realized you describe every game the exact same way as to what you need the enemy to do. we need to just relax and wait for them to make silly mistakes or the like. Maybe you could do something different for once?

[@maresotir9873]

I wait for that show from him two or three years,but nothing.

[@dovlassaturnus7805]

They can nerf this tank as much as they want, it will always be great... when I can't finish some daily missions, guess which tank does it... just my opinion!

[@avatarofpapermagic]

SKIEEEEEEEEEL ❤

[@TheVarliuxas]

3:35 it sounded that commander said " BLYAAAAT the armour is hit " 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@aurimassventoraitis7807]

manti what? :D :D

[@mastampas4]

The armor nerf espsialy F up this tank and the gun was the last neil in the cofin@

[@tomkara1090]

I love how we have still not let this nerf go. It was an unjust nerf and wg should reverse this as it ruined the tank. It used to be some people's favourite vehicle and then it got killed for no reason

[@lordz00]

I wonder if they'll touch Leopard.

[@filippofantuzzi247]

Il mio progetto 🤌🏻😭

[@Noppenspieler]

Skiieeeell day 2 of asking for SU 122 44

[@calmboy5632]

Still think, that WG made big fuck up by these unnecessary nerfs and showed big middle finger to community, I still cant get over it, because it was also mine favourite and most fun tier 10 to play, after that i spent waaaaay less money...

[@cristianlazaroaie3254]

SKIEEEEEEL

[@petardinjo]

Lmao in week where Progetto tier 8 is on sale he is throwing at us Progetto but tier 10 ahahahahahah what a trol

[@querky.7183]

Wargaming nerfed this thank 387 times and 386 of those were unnecessary. Its not op. Just kind of easy to play with if you have at least some knowledge!

[@jeremyts9032]

Leopard 1 nerfs incoming

[@moi70]

👍😃

[@louistevfik]

Skillllllll

[@chiquilio]

I feel like WG is using popularity instead of WR difference to decide which tanks to nerf, some playstyles are just more fun than others in general its not just because the tank is OP that people play it

[@nikoladd]

NERFGETTO!!!

[@UVF79]

😀👍🏻

[@erikbos9199]

why are u crying about nerfs while all autoreloaders have much better gun handling than normal autoloaders? why dont u start crying about the fact that new japanse td have way too much dpm with this much armor. u ever compare those?

[@whippoorwill910]

Why is Skill making this video now? Not because he hasn't played with Progetto for a while, but to show you all what will happen to your Leo now that Vickers is in the game. It's sad but it's an obvious way that WG is making it impossible to play this game with non-premium tanks and without buying premium days. The march to WOT pay to play continues; not pay to win. We're long past that. We're talking about pay to play, meaning you can't play this game for long or even be at all competitive without some sort of monetary payment to WG. What's next? Look at the list of top tanks that aren't premium and think up a premium alternative. Coming to a special event near you soon...

[@DragonlordXV]

wot have shitty servers

[@sandrobotticelli1337]

Skieeeeeel, Day 25 asking for Su-122-44

[@Mister_G_Point6969]

soonish they will nerf Leo1 into the Ground...remember folks after each Assembly Hall they nerf the Counterpart to it...WG gives it WG takes it...

[@yutubeiscensorshipskum-ih8tw]

What do you mean? You shills always saying that this game is about skill, not tanks...what do you care for some nerfs?

[@jk844100]

Because it’s the nature of the nerf. They released the Lion (which is a direct competitor to the Prog.65) and then WG nerfed the Prog as a way to say “fuck you for not giving us money” to all the people who didn’t buy the Lion. A lot of people didn’t buy the Lion because the Prog did basically the same thing but with a little bit better armour. It’s not that the tank got nerfed, it’s that it’s a clear message from WG that all the decisions they make about the game are malicious, not for the sake of balance.

[@posadist681]

You can have an OP tank but still do 0 damage because you have no skill...

[@brianpennell2069]

Unplayable since nerf. Wargaming always does this to me.. I grind to a good tier 10. Get there and wargaming nerfs it. Bait and switch.

[@thesandtiger]

they need to give it all the nerf back it was never that op i sick of war gaming listing to the cry babies an nerfing every tank i miss the first year where the game was brutal and guns work way better