Programming For Kids: Scratch vs Code.org

[@ProgramWithErik]

If you like this video, make sure you check out my last vide on a Disney based kids platform!! It's awesome! kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIiknItneseIbpY

[@Dxuser5]

“Vide” perfect

[@akhonalunika9021]

Vivian's extensive coding experience will not be disrespected. 👸🏼Love that :)

[@idk.what.to4]

This is really helpful because I want to become programmer when I get older(to make games).I got inspired by some programmer and my uncle showed me this video and he said if I want to become programmer I need to start practicing right now so when I get older programming wont be problem.

[@Henry_GamesX]

Instead of Scratch, I started my 8 year old nephew straight into traditional coding right off the bat in a very easy game programming language called Blitz-BASIC and because Blitz-BASIC was so straight forward and easy, he was able to pick it very easily. I showed him how to do things that he wanted to do, he went from there and now he's making his own games and I can say he has a BRIGHT future in programming. He enjoys it so much that it is hard to get him to stop now. Thus, with good guidance, it's not hard for kids to just straight out in traditional coding.

[@vakant.mp3]

I think the next programming language you should teach them with is Python 3. There's a really good app I'm using call programming hero and they use Python 3. It's really easy and you can make a small program and code in their code playground.

[@StefanVanderVyver]

There is a fundamental problem with making kids learn "coding" by means of visual programming. We have already seen the fallout in Mathematics where the paradigm "make the abstract concrete with visual examples" have backfired spectacularly. Fewer and fewer learners are interested in Maths.... because a function statement is simply so much more complicated that a picture of a pizza cut into four pieces. So they are all onboard until we switch them to the more proper Maths in secondary school. Then they walk away. Because it's too "hard". It's not. But it DOES INVOLVE THINKING with other faculties.... which were NOT stimulated during the visual coding process. Without proper guidance and attention to the process VERY FEW learners actually brain transition from the visual to the abstract.... hence "Scratch for kids". Plus we also have some damage done to their confidence because "why can't I do this real coding thing"? In my view the visual programs appeals to the "gamer" side of the brain with the visual stimuli and "gamification" of the learning process. I don't need anyone to tell me that kids love games. I do too. My daughters as well! But to expect them to "switch" from game-motivated learning to syntactical expressions and abstract thinking simply doesn't happen. So I applaud MIT for the creation of Scratch. But I do not believe that we are succeeding in transitioning the learners successfully. I would much rather begin by teaching young kids HTML. Get their minds ready for syntactical expressions. Let them understand objects and properties in the abstract. Coding is not for everyone. Let those who can apply their minds to it write code. Let the others play games.

[@realme12824]

My thoughts exactly!

[@abbyvankeer8555]

Stefan Van der Vyver Speaking as someone who made a game on scratch , which I spent around two weeks on and actually made pretty complicated, and is just beginning to learn Java, I think it helped me quite a bit. Does making stories in scratch help with programming? Not really, but actual thinking it through and facing tough problems while making a game that would take you years to learn how to make in an actual programming language is really helpful in getting your brain to switch to actual coding. My school has several levels of computer science classes, and I’m Comp Sci 1 you start with scratch, move onto Processing, which teaches you things such as classes and syntax while still giving you a visual to check against, and end with Jeroo, which teaches object-based programming and method calls. I found this process a very easy way to transition from knowing nothing about programming to the overwhelming number of things you have to figure out when coding in Java. Just thought you would be interested to know the thoughts of someone who actual has used Scratch to learn and then transitioned!

[@StefanVanderVyver]

@@abbyvankeer8555 Hi! Thank you so much for your response. I definitely need to hear more stories like yours. I am glad that you picked up on my concern that the "transition" is the challenge, and not Scratch. The people at MIT are far more intelligent than me and have oodles more time to spend on testing and the psychology behind it. Some research has been done on the Maths side to see how the transitioning from visual Maths explanations to abstract thinking happens. In the one instance the thesis found that the teacher in that instance played the most crucial role. I.e. the teacher probably facilitates and guides the children's questions and levels of understanding. With online systems the folks that build it have to strive to achieve that... and that is, again, where the challenge lies. Good luck to everyone on that. I am building my own online coding teaching platform and we are trialling it in schools. I can see where I fall short in my own endeavours, and that leads me to respect everyone who goes big on that. In South Africa we have additional factors associated with third world countries, but the education system is definitely going big on using scratch. So your journey serves to support their plans. Good luck with your journey in coding. And thanks again for your reply. Your answer was clear and succinct and added to my understanding of the journey!

[@ashxia]

This is a very important point, thanks for this advice

[@Raphael3032]

Makes sense

Some kids prefer task with direction like code.org and some kids prefer free task like scratch.

[@developedbyed]

Shes like : "Just let me work on some Vue projects not this kids stuff"

[@ProgramWithErik]

ha! Yup

[@buddybob5502]

DEVYYYY my gorgeous KZbin person that I dearly admire!

[@joycedavis3545]

This video was super helpful. I agree with Vivian that Scratch was harder. She is awesome by the way! Thank you both. J. Davis

[@ProgramWithErik]

You are welcome! We should do another video

[@tiagozaidan4218]

Awesome video! I would like to suggest another tool for a comparison video. It's called Vizzcode, it combines Visual and Text programming at the same time.

[@adorbsniya8727]

1 //opening line 2 console.log(‘Hello’) And you can write story’s like that lol, but I’m still learning

[@ProgramWithErik]

cool! Good luck

[@donutsnopeas]

Hi Erik and Vivian, Great video! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Just wondering how you made this really nice video. Did you use a green screen? Appreciate if you could kindly share some tips. Thank you.

[@presentfox1028]

Tbh I think scratch is easier because on code.org when trying to make a platformer it requires a lot more blocks and variables when scratch only requires at least like 40 to 30 blocks

[@presentfox1028]

Also on scratch my username is presentfox I'm right now learning how to do pen collision witch is advanced coding

[@TishaTheGirlCleaner]

Also scratch has a my blocks :D

[@PlayerTowerDefense]

Scratch has more possibility and Even there are limits But the possibility will expand You can make game that no one though its possible Because we learn something new everyday and we will find the answer

[@chinapascual6697]

How old is Vivian

[@jvg00007]

sir my son is very interested to learn app coding please suggest

[@jorgiea]

They have Scratch Junior for younger kids

[@adorbsniya8727]

I’m a kid and I have been searching the web and found a website that teaches how to code on Javascript so. now I learned a phew things on coding not to much but heheh yea

[@ProgramWithErik]

awesome!

[@Dxuser5]

Erik I feel so bad for you. In Scratch 2.0 and onwards there is no real tutorial videos/ starter projects :(. Scratch is more about learning it yourself

[@jonmorina1931]

Code org is the logic of programming so u would consider code.org like a learning class for scratch.Scratch is more complicated than code.org because to move a character u need to put on coordinations nad is not that kid friendly so isuggest if u want ur kid to programm start with code.oeg , finish all the moduls and pass to scratch then u can brench off to tother coding languages

[@sugarkid]

love it and love the cute little girl, and it's a very informative video , thank you

[@donutsnopeas]

Hi Erik, your video is very well done. Appreciate if you could share how you made this tutorial video. Green screen? How to you share your live screen? Txs

[@Soccersamo1415]

I think its all about preferance

[@alkebulan44]

Love scratch !!!!

[@CodingWithKids]

Scratch or Code.org? Yes. 👍🏻

[@KingsleyAmuzu]

Code.org wish they have codespark.com.

[@Notthelizard]

Wonderful video we discovered through techfoxx.com where it was shared. Thank you

[@jshaffer189]

aww this is soo cute, im a father/coder too

[@lgkidofficial]

Scratch is for people who know x and y. Scratch JR is easier for small kids.

[@BaRzOmk]

She's so lovely and very clever

[@ProgramWithErik]

Thanks

[@CoilyAmazonChic]

Yes, indeed!

[@SpacemanChannel]

i like scratch better

[@AshtonScripts]

trust me, its scratch.

[@nursevimkesim4085]

scratch is best

[@Pantron3]

when we talk about scratch or code.org, my 7y kid prefers minecraft options, Minecraft Education edition, but mostly craftcodeedu mode for regular Minecraft Java Edition - as the mode is integrated into the game, including survival mode, the kid do the same things but could do them in its own game, when he wants, and when he needs, and according its own current strategy. He could do a lot more things, he could image new things to do depending what he needs. Very basic example how It looks like can be seen in this video (this is recorded in creative mode but it doesn't matter) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/lauqkJWoZZV8aJo

[@kuhzie2285]

Nice video!

[@bnxproduction245]

Well I recommend unreal engine 😂jk well tbh I recommend you to learn on solo learn I learned html and kinda python and I am still 13

[@ArikCool]

Hi

[@ProgramWithErik]

Hi

[@ArikCool]

@@ProgramWithErik Congrats our name is slightly different but pronouns the same. lol

[@chandanmishra5939]

Nice

[@ProgramWithErik]

Thanks

[@CricketChris513]

Bully: hey you little kill look over here *he slaps the girl Me: hey Bully *punches him in face*

[@oguzakankan518]

sweet video :)

[@ProgramWithErik]

Thanks!

[@wlcm2deoforge996]

If she moved a guy in Minecraft that isn't coding experience

[@sreedharkande2356]

definetly code.org

[@SnowyAndRoxy]

How old is she :0

[@miles4961]

scratch is better cause it has a community

[@ounsspace2573]

Ok eric

[@KineticCascade]

none: *you cant*

[@monhathai]

Scratch easy

[@Alex-du6rh]

If you say scratch is hard you dont know what programming really is. Next time compare c++ and python lol.

[@TastyCabinet]

I had to get taught this inmedia, code .org. I would get so mad because it is not real at all

[@urmom-yv7ps]

I am 9 years and I am a pro python programmer srsly

[@OVERSMART]

Mazhar dekh raha hai kya tum?

[@green2992]

scrach is bettr !

[@chappie3642]

Not really

[@gl3di3tortwitch67]

I was done listening to this guy cause he started off lying 🤣😂🤣

[@ProgramWithErik]

Haha

[@maybeafork2721]

Scratch is more complex, but still is easy to learn code.org layout is so weird I don’t know what we’re they thinking

[@KennyDS]

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