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[@cowgirlinred3974]

I know tons of Progressive Christians and they are some of the sweetest people I know. It’s the evangelicals that terrify me.

[@drink_with_the_dead]

As well they should

[@SmartChannel01]

They also threatened eternal torment To mass majority of humanity no so sweet now is it

[@marthashandley2637]

Well I am pro choice then. I have no right to tell anyone what to do. That discussion should be between a woman and her doctor! I don't want that responsibility. 🙂💟💙

[@robinblackmoor8732]

All religion is made up nonsense used by those in power to control the masses.

[@nightflight1454]

You cannot be a progressive Christian. Because you cannot serve 2 masters.

[@pammajamma9907]

I am a progressive Christian also. I believe pretty much with the young man. I'm not here to judge anyone's lifestyle. I am here to Love All.

[@ngtony2969]

Renouncing the immoral shit entirely is also a choice. And since you are already half way there and disobeying the immoral book, you might as well.

[@SmartChannel01]

No hate like Christian love

[@ngtony2969]

@Grim Looters "When you've formed your own philosophy of life, death and morality, it can be easy and sit back and call the historic religions immoral" WRONG. It's only easy to call this cult immoral because I can point out the abundance of obviously immoral things in it. It's also easy because I don't have to lie to myself and pretend those immoral things aren't immoral, desperately defending it, desperately trying to find excuses. Like you.

[@mikenapolo2490]

@Grim Looters how do you know if God is hypothetical or not?

[@kts7113]

I’m very much a progressive Christian. I believe in what Jesus said. We should be helping those that need it period!! That’s actually what the New Testament says we should do!!

[@brianford8493]

Do you tell that Lordy Space dude stuff to children?

[@Justin-hb9wc]

I'm a progressive Christian as well.

[@kts7113]

@@brianford8493 no need to be an asshole!!

[@PaulJonesy]

@@brianford8493 lord spacey dude the cosmic carpenter?

[@Loccyster]

How do you feel about New Testament passages regarding slaves and wives being obedient?

[@davidisrael9799]

What a seemingly kindhearted, reasonable person. I really appreciate hearing this perspective, it's good to be reminded that there are still many good people left in this world.

[@Leonaza7]

I’m a Christian and a progressive. I will not get an abortion but I will never force my beliefs on someone else. Everyone should be able to make a choice period.

[@sunflower7045]

You are not alone. 💖

[@erismana2105]

If only anyone who claims to be Christian did half of what they are supposed to do.

[@davidisrael9799]

That's all any of us can ask really, thank you for prioritizing individual freedom over your personal beliefs. It should be the bare minimum standards for being a citizen of the U.S., at least for anyone who truly cares about literal freedom. It's unfortunately all too uncommon.

[@Bababaaaa]

I respect that and wish more people thought like you.

[@blaizegottman4139]

@@erismana2105 I'm a Christian and pro life it didn't bother me when roe v Wade was overturned

[@Leonaza7]

A real Christian won’t force their beliefs upon others.

[@southmage4350]

ture. also how are u doing broski?

[@madisonbrown2082]

You mean spread the gospel?

[@basementofmars1963]

You sure about that? Because I think for the vast majority of time they've been around, Christians have made forcing their beliefs onto others a top priority. That's kind of like their thing.

[@fatt-ass-pro]

@@madisonbrown2082 spreading the word, and FORCING CHRISTIAN LAW are not the same thing...

[@nomiddlenamenmn427]

Amen! The Jesus Christ Whom I believe in would be a socialist.

[@fetlock]

Glad to have you on our team, brother, putting love over power, greed, and fear of change.

[@kruzedarling9347]

It’s nice to know that there are some people out there like me, I feel pretty lonely most of the time as a progressive Christian.

[@blaizegottman4139]

I think of myself as a liberal conservative

[@kevinathans4191]

@@blaizegottman4139 just curious as to why you define yourself that way?

[@blaizegottman4139]

@@kevinathans4191 is that bad

[@charlenejohnson309]

@@blaizegottman4139 Not good or bad but Christians who "wiggle" toward the progressive seem to usually have a personal anecdote or experience that gives the nudge. Curiosity does not always connote judgment.

[@Hooyahfish]

If you feel lonely, imagine being an atheist.

[@mlpfanboy1701]

I was a progressive catholic. Still am. I think my religion is part of the reason I’m progressive.

[@annem7806]

Me too. My mom & aunt's went to Catholic High School w/the Berrigan brothers.

[@Lichenroc]

Finally I thought I was the only one my Catholic faith has always logically made me lean left.

[@ancil57]

"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took me in, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you visited me." For followers of the Rabbi from Nazareth, the natural extension of this teaching is "I became pregnant and you showed me compassion." It is that simple. "And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’" Amen.

[@audreywitko1445]

Beautiful! Thank you for what you shared. have always believed that we should be less “Christian” and more “Christ-like” by following his lead & teachings. That is how Jesus taught us to live. ✨💖✨

[@terrimcarlson7575]

This caller made me feel so much better about Christians. I wish more people would be this opened minded.

[@AmyJarrellbunnygirl]

There are actually a lot more of us than you think. We just don't say much because every time we try to explain to other progressives that there being progressive is in line with the Bible, we get told we're stupid, ignorant, etc, for believing in the first place, so we just keep our mouths shut. I am so grateful for David having this caller on so that people know we actually exist. :-)

[@MrCool144]

For real. Christian’s who do witchcraft and human sacrifice are very loving. Going to heaven is sick and evil.

[@TheMouseAvenger]

As a progressive Christian myself, I definitely agree with this person! *(nods)* 💯

[@sunflower7045]

You are not alone. 💖

[@southmage4350]

hi how are u doing

[@jarrettath9636]

As a progressive Christian, I was so happy with this caller. Glad he was able to speak for us in such a positive way : )

[@blaizegottman4139]

I'm not progressive and Glad I'm not anymore

[@markzuckergecko621]

@@blaizegottman4139 congratulations on leaving the cult, I'm sure that was a huge burden off of your shoulders.

[@MissStateFan]

I’m a Christian who’s also a libertarian socialist. My belief in Jesus fuels my far left political beliefs. Jesus never charged to heal nor educate. He even multiplied bread and fish for the people. We should have “free” education and college. We should give the hungry free food.

[@nycatlady2314]

And pay taxes. He would definitely be a democrat

[@MissStateFan]

@@nycatlady2314 He would be Green Party.

[@trinaminer6898]

I am a proud liberal Christian and Pro-choice. I have gay family members and support equality for all, races, genders and religions. I am Canadian.

[@pro-choicemom]

It's a shame that Christianity is now mostly associated with bigotry & hatred. I dont believe in any deities but respect people's faiths. I have an issue with theocracy. Keep your faith to yourself & represent your faith through good deeds-- that would truly make us better people.

[@merricat3025]

I told my sister-in-law that right wing Christians have taken Christianity away from me. I don't know if she gets what I mean. She's actually a Republican.

[@pro-choicemom]

@@merricat3025 It's become where Republicanism is their true religion and Christianity is just the aesthetic.

[@MichaelSmith-fj7di]

My view is simple. It is not something that the government should decide. If you’re against it, don’t get an abortion, but one shouldn’t force their beliefs on others.

[@erismana2105]

Same goes for guns

[@blaizegottman4139]

I find it funny how I'm against abortion and pro life and some idiots have said then don't get an abortion it's like bitch you know I'm male Right 🤦

[@markzuckergecko621]

But it's the taking of someone's life. Imagine if people had that attitude about murder, "I'm personally against murdering people, but I'm not going to force my non murdering beliefs on others".

[@charlenejohnson309]

@@markzuckergecko621 Masturbation is considered murder in some religious sects. Coitus Interruptus caused Onan to be slain by God. Thoughts?

[@lolaface8732]

@@markzuckergecko621 unborn is not a person yet

[@rebeccarebeccaa2515]

I have a neighbor who I go walking with and she identifies as a Christian and spiritual. But lately I've begun to notice her disdain for the homeless. She points out the mobile homes that the homeless squat in and just today remarked about the excrement in the streets in the city, talking points of the right. It comes across as an inconvenience that she wants to go away by removing them from sight. I'm tired of these good Christian people who to me are Christian in name only. I'm an atheist and I think I'm more Christian than she is!!! The homeless aren't a problem that should be swept under the rug or to another city. Some of them need help either to get themselves on their feet or on medication or something else. There are a few who can't be helped but we aren't even trying!!! These are people!!

[@merricat3025]

Republican Christians

[@georgiapeach9519]

Jesus Christ was a progressive. He constantly talked about the importance of giving to the poor and taking care of widows and orphans. He literally condemned religious theocrats on a constant basis. lol

[@truth4004]

And caring for the travelers.

[@billiondollarbiscuit8189]

He also spoke against those who didn’t pay their taxes.

[@flblackbutterfly1]

Jesus would not approve of abortion.

[@orionsorbit]

Jesus said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.” Mark 12 -17

[@georgiapeach9519]

@@flblackbutterfly1 you do know that God literally instructed the Israelite soldiers to rip the fetuses out of women from the enemy army in Joshua 6:21 right? There’s tons of other scriptures where god himself instructs the killing of children and/or pregnant women. I have a few of them if you’d like to see them.

[@sunflower7045]

He’s not alone. I too am a Progressive Christian. If not humanitarian at heart, it is not truly Christian. It’s simply not permitted to judge others. I am Pro Choice. Jesus doesn’t see in black and white. Best wishes to you all.💖

[@daking8374]

Best thing I’ve heard all day

[@markzuckergecko621]

And there are plenty of atheists who are anti abortion too, this really isn't a religious issue like the left always tries to frame it as, it's a moral issue.

[@Hooyahfish]

@@markzuckergecko621 republicans say it’s god’s will that rape victims get pregnant.

[@rebeccarebeccaa2515]

@@markzuckergecko621 I'm an atheist and while I am personally against having an abortion, for myself, I will fight with my sisters for their right over their bodily autonomy for either having an abortion or keeping the baby equally. As far as religion it is the right who are making his religious!

[@heidistonebraker7380]

@@markzuckergecko621 forced birth is immoral

[@reginaromsey]

Real Christians demonstrate their beliefs by living by them. The best of these is the Belief Jesus called the greatest commandment. First was his statement that loving Your god with all your heart, the other and equal is to Love Your Neighbor as Yourself.

[@M.Campbell]

I've met a few "Real Christians" and sadly they are a very small minority. They lead their lives as an example. Though I am not a Christian, I respect them. If all Christians were like them then I would have far less of a problem with the religion in general and I feel like the world would be a better place. I find it telling that none of them attend church and freely admitted that it was because they couldn't find one that they could stand to be associated with.

[@bdeitur]

As a (lapsed catholic) agnostic pantheist, many of my more Christian friends are progressive and pro choice like myself. I think it's more common than most people think. To me, separation of church and state is sacrosanct.

[@blaizegottman4139]

You're a what

[@truth4004]

Most of America wants true freedom.

[@SmartChannel01]

Too bad they still believe your going to hell

[@merricat3025]

I'm catholic. I would consider myself more of a social justice catholic. Not the pro- life catholic. I am pro-choice and believe very strongly in separation of church and state

[@JDReynolds2005]

As a Christian myself, I believe what the Bible teaches is for my own life to follow not make everybody else follow the rules of the Bible when they haven't even made that commitment themselves. The Bible also says not to be Hypocrites which most of the Christians today that are getting political and wanting to force others to do what they feel is right instead of what that person feels is right is radicalizing Christianity as a whole and that's a very sad thing. Religion should be a personal commitment between you and your God and nothing more. Christians are supposed to be examples of the way that they believe God wants them to live their lives. That alone is supposed to make others want to be like them. But if all you're doing is persecuting others by using the Bible that does nothing but Chase others away from God in Christ and religion in general.

[@orionsorbit]

I’m a Progressive Christian and Pro-Choice. I stand by abortion. I because there are certain instances in life that you can’t be predicted. Weather it’s a miscarriage or defect to the the child that would harm child or the mother of the child. There should be a choice.

[@ArisaemaTriphyllum]

EXACTLY. There's this assumption that life is precious but to the suffering - death is precious. Respecting life isn't ALWAYS about saving it from death.

[@jandrews6254]

It’s not only the actual termination of a pregnancy that the alt right seeks to ban/make illegal under all circumstances; it’s the medications used in the procedure that are needed for other non-pregnancy procedures. And how any decent human being of any persuasion could demand that an 11yo rape victim be forced to carry her pregnancy to viability simply shows how heartless they are, how uncaring of the pregnant girl/female and how non krischun. Of course, it she was their daughter there’d be no question of that happening, she’d be off to be aborted pronto

[@mikenapolo2490]

🤣🤣🤣abortion does a lot of harm to children, it KILLS them

[@spiff3872]

Actually the bible DOES speak of abortions and it 100% accepts it. Multiple scripture speaks out to answer modern issues. 1. It states a woman's life is always more important than the fetus 2. Life begins at first breath (not conception l) 3. Abortions should by provided at church, by the clergy at a special alter. I can provide the specifics if anyone is interested. Also, the "true bible" doesn't speak against homosexuality, that was a mistranslation from the 1940's. It actually speaks against pedophilia, but we've seen how the Christian church doesn't care about that.

[@mikenapolo2490]

🤣🤣🤣

[@tarag7292]

I love y'all for speaking facts about what the Bible says about abortion and the start of life. Thank you. If I was ever in a position where I needed an abortion (I am not against having one for myself), it wouldn't be a sin against anyone.

[@ChibiHoshiDragon]

I though the mistranslation was RITUAL homosexuality; as in as part of pagan worship I will say though, I heard a very enlightening POV from someone who believe is means loving relationships That it is wrong to create laws against gay marriage because that does nothing to the desire to want the act. Much like adultery doesn't require actual sexual acts, just your MIND; that is where the sin is. If it isn't VOLUNTARY celibacy, it is worthless and Laws imposing Celibacy are just as worthless to their soul.

[@twinstarr1438]

Totally up to the individual, no one else"s business, simple as that

[@Joseph_Knight]

Christian Leftist here, and after carefully studying the scriptures I have found that life officially begins for an individual at the point of birth when God breathes life into that person. And there are multiple verses to justify this. 1st when looking into the issue you can start in Genesis 2:7 ; "Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being" So here we clearly see that a man was formed, and then God breathed life into him which gave him life. So he's not alive until man is breathing the life of God. Other versus confirm this like Job 33:4 ;“The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life." And in Ezekiel 37:5 "Thus says the Lord God to these bones, ‘Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life" And many others. Next in Exodus we see a more clear depiction of the difference between a fetus and an actual living breathing person in versus 21 : 22-25 ; "And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no [further] injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any [further] injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise" here we see clearly that if the child was a life of its own, then a life for a life would have been prescribed for the penalty, but its only a fine. So we can see the Bible clearly makes a distinction in the fetus and the living breathing human being. I believe that the child in the mothers womb can be considered "alive" but it, according to the Word, is not considered its own life. For it depends on the life of the mother, so its not a person of its own, yet. Now, I don't believe its necessarily Gods will for women to just abort babies left and right just because you can, but I think this decision should be between the mother and the family and the family doctor. Each person should work out this decision with their own faith and what is best for their situation.

[@mikenapolo2490]

so according to your beliefs, if someone kills pregnant woman they can only be charged with 1 count of homicide?

[@Joseph_Knight]

@@mikenapolo2490 if someone kills a pregnant women they have only destroyed one life according to the Word of God which is what I follow. So yes, I would consider it one act of murder/homicide.

[@tarag7292]

Thank you for this post because I have been telling people that, according to the Bible, life begins at first breath. Life doesn't begin at conception.

[@mikenapolo2490]

@@tarag7292 so someone can go around killing the babies of pregnant women and not be charged with a crime?

[@mikenapolo2490]

@@Joseph_Knight using that flawed logic, if someone went around killing the babies of pregnant women that could only be charged with simple assault?

[@giggleman9908]

A fetus is treated like a woman's property in the law of Moses. “When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." (Exodus 21:22-25 RSV)

[@tarag7292]

Exactly. And this is one of the scriptures I talk about when people talk about how life begins at conception and that the fetus has just as much value or more than the woman's. The Bible is pretty explicit in many topics, but abortion ain't one of them, and they were happening in biblical times too. The Bible is completely neutral on the topic. As a matter of fact, someone read the Bible cover to cover and couldn't find one explicit passage against abortion (and though shalt not kill doesn't count). So people really need to stop using the Bible to hinge their stance against abortions.

[@pamelaplowman1143]

" Judge not lest ye be judged." Matthew 7

[@elenasalvatore832]

People like this guy are true believers. You can tell that he has no ill intent. Je doesn t strive to force his belief of others and even when he does not agree, he remains respectful.

[@foxfireinferno197]

Considering the only thing the bible says about abortion is 'how to induce one', and that whole 'I knew you in the womb' thing is very obviously directed at a particular person and not some blanket statement, there's no reason anybody should be anti-abortion on the basis of being christian.

[@davidisrael9799]

Well said! The only time abortion is mentioned in the Old Testament like you said, is to provide instructions for one. In addition, I believe when it is mentioned in the New Testament it is in reference to the punishment for committing the crime of forcing a pregnant woman to miscarry. It is treated as a property crime not murder. So clearly, neither the old or new testament value a fetus as a life. The life of the mother is always more important.

[@truth4004]

Yes its a long chapter called The Bitter Waters. And the reason was for the husband.

[@truth4004]

@@davidisrael9799 Christians NEVER talk about it.

[@hermenutic]

I fall into that category of Christian or a similar one. If God let Adam and Eve choose I believe we should let women choose. As far as I can see that is the biblical perspective on any kind of choice one might decide to make. If you want to do something God will not stop you even if the consequences are catastrophic like the history of Adam and Eve teaches us about God and the human will and the consequences of misusing human will. On that basis I call the anti choice crowd into question. If you're against abortion don't have an abortion and leave it at that. You can't choose for other people. It is improper to do that. That's a preposterous proposition, isn't it? I don't know why Christians just can't follow God's example and let people make their own choices. If it was good enough for God to do what could possibly be improper in simply behaving like God?

[@truth4004]

Most of my friends are progressive Christians.

[@candygram4435]

My mom went to United Church of Christ. It’s definitely a progressive and pro choice church

[@blaizegottman4139]

That's suprising

[@candygram4435]

@@blaizegottman4139 why?

[@Labor_Jones]

*It's pretty simple... as the RICH GOT RICHER our Democracy became Weaker!*

[@seriousmaran9414]

I am a male, how can I make decisions about someone else's body? Abortion is not a crime in the bible and is not mentioned. Unlawfully killing a foetus has a penalty of a money payment. This issue has been brought up by right wing Christians for their personal reasons, not the teachings of Christ or bible.

[@greaper123]

As a 35+ years atheist, I must say how impressed I am with so many of the wonderful comments from progressive Christians here. As I've always said, we're not so different after all. Kudos to you all!

[@acm4147]

Best of luck. Conservative Christians need to read Leviticus. May be an eye opener.

[@frankendragon5442]

There are a LOT of us progressive Christians out here. The caller mentioned Red Letter Christians, and they are some good people. There is also The Christian Left. I am not a liberal in spite of my faith. I am a liberal BECAUSE of my faith.

[@silvermine923]

It never was about the sanctity of life. It always was about the sanctity of power.

[@sarahughes6452]

I really like what this caller had to say. My biggest problem with organized religion is a that many people are hypocrites. My ex mother in law used to tell me that she didn’t car which church I went to as long as I attended. I named a couple different faiths and she literally told me that they should be shot; they all think they’re right. I may not attend church but I practice the golden rule. I do my best to treat people with respect, kindness, and mind my own business; the way that I want to be treated. If you believe in God and the teachings of Jesus, you wouldn’t be participating in hate speech, bigotry, and racism.

[@janetking9736]

Great conversation! So glad you posted this, David. I'm a progressive Christian from Australia...

[@decoyslikejessica]

Progressive Christian here!

[@daphnedherbert]

I know you were nervous to talk, and I doubt you'll read this but I'm glad you called and I'm glad you're trying and you care.

[@deborahseaman8470]

I am a Buddhist catholic, I am pro choice, support lbgtq+, I believe in kindness and compassion. I am a humanitarian and an environmentalist.

[@dot0422]

What is a Buddhist Catholic?? 😏

[@deborahseaman8470]

@@dot0422 Ok so I am a Buddhist catholic, that's catholic with a little c. The word then takes on a new meaning , it means, universal, all inclusive. It's the way that I choose to live my life with love and respect for all.

[@dot0422]

@@deborahseaman8470 there is no such thing as a Catholic with a little C. You are delusional and confused.

[@flblackbutterfly1]

Never heard of “Progressive Christian”. I am a Bible believing Christian, who believes life begins at conception. I love that you asked the caller about scripture and verse and noticed he couldn’t answer. He just gave his personal view. True Christianity is based in the Bible, even when we don’t like it or agree with what it says.

[@tansiian]

Well now you have. But who are you to determine what True Christianity is? Christ himself did not mention homosexuality or abortion. And if you want to revert to the Old Testament, I'm almost certain you wear polyester, eat shellfish, disagree with stoning people, and don't think 12y/o girls should be sold into marriage. And that would make you not a "True" Bible believing Christian.

[@tarag7292]

@@tansiian I agree. The old testament doesn't even condemn abortion. The closest thing you get in the Bible is that life begins at first breath, and that is in Genesis. For a while the church wasn't even against abortion because it wasn't in the Bible. This whole anti abortion movement is relatively new and something that Catholic church made up. Just like they say that drinking is a sin. Well tell that to the savior who turned water into wine. It's a lie.

[@sarahdohring1551]

Literally where does the Bible talk about abortion because I went to a lutheran university where I studied religion, and it isn't there. He couldn't mention anything because there is nothing. You claim your faith is Bible based, but you're making stuff up. Please quote the scripture. We are asking you now.

[@laurawells3935]

I am a Progressive Christian. The biblical reference that I think pertains to abortion is the First Commandment…to put no other Gods before Him. When He gave us free will, who is anyone else to take it away?

[@ImStayGold42]

You can't be a "Progressive Christian" without having expertise in cherry picking from the Bible. The reason they are so rare is because they eventually see reason & become atheists. 🍒

[@ashsmee]

God didn’t force Mother Mary to carry Jesus she was allowed to ask questions about pregnancy and birth and CHOSE to be pregnant God GAVE HER THAT CHOICE!

[@truth4004]

She did it for God no other reason to to prove faith.

[@ashsmee]

@@truth4004 yeah she did and she wasn’t forced

[@comasmusica7548]

This is one very good contribution to the DP show. People tend to forget that there are progressive Christrians - actually spreading the love and care that Jesus taught instead of hatred - since, well, they're not in the spotlight that much. Kudos to this caller. Fun fact: the Bible mentions nothing about homosexual _relationships_ . Nothing at all! The caller can be fully at peace with his brother's marriage.

[@Hooyahfish]

I mean considering the fact god isn’t very pro-life, it’s weird.

[@Jordyb33123]

Love how open minded this guy is. Seeing things from others perspectives is how you can come together and compromise

[@joannvandenberg4792]

I am a "Mormon" Christian and I believe in behaving as Christ would have us behave. That is with love, caring and understanding. I was raised to accept people how they are. That includes race, color, religion and preferences in life style. Let everyone live their life and we all have consequences for our actions and Heavenly Father will be the judge. We have the right to free agency. We don't know what someone is going through, we don't have the right to judge someone for their actions. Heavenly Father loves all of us. I think hewill judge us all for the hate that is on our country. To me the abortion issue is a free agency thing.

[@dutchroll]

While I'm not religious, most of my family are and they're mostly quite moderate. However we live in Australia where more than 1/3 of the population doesn't identify with any religion, and the religious right are far less prominent in general society (though just like in the USA, they have quite deliberately concentrated on making inroads into certain conservative political parties so that they might get a chance to legislate their views).

[@PeytonDrozdWilliams]

This is part of the reason I recently left the Catholic Church and became an Episcopalian instead.

[@theEduEnthusiast]

Broski, seeing all my fellow progressive Christians in the comments lifts my heart

[@igotcookies]

Progressive Christians are NOT a minority. There are only about 30% Evangelical Christians in the US, the rest are moderate and progressive. Don't lose hope.

[@jaanikaapa6925]

Bible's only stance on abortion is that if someone accidentally causes a miscarriage might be liable to pay reparations. Also according to bible you're alive only once you can breathe on your own. So, abortion is pretty much a non-issue in scripture.

[@bobomaigret5430]

When we call pro-woman individuals "pro choice," and call anti-woman individuals "pro-life" we have already decided to lose.

[@marceechristensen2533]

I too am a Christian who identifies myself with progressive, Independent and Democratic Politics. Focus on the New Testament for guidance as when God became man and came to live among us a speak truth, Grace, forgiveness and eternal life. Ask yourself WWJD

[@silvermine923]

The MAGA Party is the former Tea Party.

[@Mr2Reviews]

I'm a progressive Christian. I think there are a lot more progressive Christians than this guy realizes. Just like David has said, the majority of Jewish people actually lean left. I'm willing to bet the majority of Christians also lean left. It's just that evangelicals are so damn loud.

[@jenniferrobinson4283]

Happy to hear from other progressive Christians! My beliefs has me feeling pretty lonely living in WV!

[@pamelqtaylor8335]

I am past trusting christians politicians and pretty much ready for a progressive athiests/ queer presidential nominee.

[@michaelkelly9468]

I would invite you to look at Exodus 20:13, which bans killing, Genesis 20:6 “Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man. And finally Psalm 139: 13 For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. 14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. 15 My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them. Adoption is a great solution which avoids killing that wonderful human being made in the likeness of God!

[@arcturionblade1077]

Ironically, KZbin just showed me a pro-birth/anti-choice ad right before I was forced to close it to watch your video, David. WTH, KZbin algorithm.

[@ianburton9223]

The caller that kicked off this thread has a well thought out Christian approach to human existence. However, I really have difficulty with the idea of "progressive" Christians. For me, Christianity itself already includes the ideas currently attributed to "progressive" Christians. The so called "Christian Nationalists" misuse the label "Christian" in their actions, speech, and behaviour. Their ideas are a contradiction of the Christian faith. However, to see this for what it is one needs to be capable of rational thought. There appears to be many humans that have difficulty with philosophical guidelines and need a few simple rules to work with. For centuries some elements of the church (of whatever religion) has manipulated the "keep it simple" crowd by dumbing down religious thinking to chanting and ranting. For the last few centuries politicians have wrapped themselves in church banners and used chanting and ranting similar to that of parts of the church to manipulate voters and restrict the acquired rights of parts of the general population. When it's so easy these days to fact check the spouting of politicians, how can anyone be persuaded by the distorted revisions of Christian thinking present in much of Republican outpourings in the last few years. Snake oil salesmen have long been recognized for what they are, what's so difficult about the Christian Nationalists?

[@LisaLGruman]

I live in the Bay Area, too, and my church and so many people here are Christians and Democrats. ❤️

[@thomaskristensen4679]

Progressive, Born again, Evangelical left, Fundamentalistic Christian here! So we get hate from the left and the right and the middle, but who cares we have Christ and Cookies-hmm cookies

[@WhoTheLoL]

Bible has nothing on abortion? Bible literally describes how to perform abortion lol -> Numbers 5

[@stevenbatke2475]

Shh! Evangelicals might learn something.

[@sallysmolich5822]

Pastor John Pavloviitz and Craig Greenfield both have pretty big followings. Perhaps invite one of them to the show.

[@SmartChannel01]

Lesser of two evils Given Christianity condemns eternal blazing torment for mass majority of humanity and responsibility of countless cruelty

[@do9138]

Why wouldn't an actual Christian be pro-choice? According to the Bible, abortion isn't a sin. The fifth chapter of Numbers gives God's instruction for abortion. Evilgelicals preach the opposite of what is in the Bible in most cases.

[@milvertonmom50]

I also think that "Progressive-Christian" is an oxymoron.

[@rthompsn2007]

I also know that you are wrong.

[@truth4004]

Everyone should read the Quran. Seriously it explains everything much better and clear. If you want to talk to God you pray, if you want God to talk to you read the Quran. There's a whole chapter on Mary the only female mentioned by name in the Quran. Highly regarded.

[@janesmith4h]

Tes, Let People Live! This was awesome. I, too, am a Progressive Christian. It feels like an island sometimes. He seemed really genuine. I loved it. ❤️

[@WanderingPilgrim]

I am an Evangelical Christian and personally pro life. But I also want our country to remain a constitutional democratic republic. So by necessity I have to be politically pro choice because that's where the majority of our country falls. That said, our country has never had a serious debate about the rights of the unborn. I think we need to honestly and vigorously debate that subject and let the country decide what we believe. To other Christians: if we want our culture to adopt Christian values we need to demonstrate why those values create a better society. Right now we mostly don't demonstrate those values in public much less compelling reasons people who aren't Christians would benefit from adopting them. We need to accurately judge ourselves by our own values or the rest of the world will do that job for us.

[@ADeadlierSnake]

"Well, I like girls..." "Right." 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@roxxyredandsweetiemow4028]

Nice! It's what most fundamental Christians miss is the greatest commandment of all...Love one Another. Love has no boundaries and though I am a multi faith believer I do believe the greatest description of Love is in the Bible (1st Corinthians 13) if you take it as its read it says Love knows no boundaries. It is unconditional at all times.

[@j.m4911]

As an atheist, I believe religion is not a bad thing. It can be a wondeful thing for many people, but becomes toxic when asserting your believes on others. People should have the right to believe in whatever they want.

[@Lichenroc]

I’m Christian and center-left I would like to see a culture of encouraging less abortions but I don’t think it should be illegal.

[@legitdragon6202]

Random unrelated question to this video - Is it possible for President to pardon Vice President, i.e. DeSantis runs and Trump V.P. then DeSantis pardons him? Just asking because there's a way to circumvent laws and that's a way I can think of

[@cathybowser3813]

I am a progressive InSpirit Christian striving to be living InChrist. I am a democrat politically.I feel for those who believe in getting an abortion is their choice. And LBGTQ are my brothers and sisters. You can’t tell people what to do. The entire Old Testament demonstrates that principle for God gave laws. God put up with a lot, which is why God became man, Jesus, to fulfill the law. In the end it is only myself i have to answer for, but forgiveness is always there for our God is gracious.

[@do9138]

THE BIBLE DOES DISCUSS ABORTION. God gives instruction for abortion in the fifth chapter of Numbers. It isn't a sin.

[@carlphillips3876]

I have no issue with this type of Christian. I think we could be be friends. He seems to be comforted in his faith, without feeling the need to force others to believe what he believes…that’s awesome!

[@selfmade4227]

Don't care what they think if they are intent on voting for the Repugnants

[@ghostface4404]

and a true Christian takes no part in politics... for reasons such is this. this only serves as comfort to those who are compromising their values. once you start compromising your morals and values... you lose all control.

[@marionopisso212]

There are a lot of non-evangelical Christians out there, including pastors. It is quite painful to see the judging and hating demonstrated by evangelicals instead of the inclusion and love espoused by Jesus.

[@kurtislow6025]

Wow he sure hasn't met my "neighbors"

[@runnergo1398]

It doesn't matter if you're Jewish, Christian, or whatever religion. If you are progressive and actually care about other human beings, you're a good person in God's eyes and my eyes.

[@susanbradleyskov9179]

I know three progressive Christians in the U.S. and I live in Denmark, so yeah, they are out there. I have more trouble with the concept ‘progressive’ than I have with the concept ‘Christian’, anyway. Quite a few people claim to be progressives without that having much influence on their political ideas. Even more claim to be Christians without the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth seeming to have a real impact on their views of life or other humans. I’m a pagan anarchist, and I’m good with that.

[@Bane-lj5gz]

To the progressive Christians: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, will inherit the kingdom of God. To pro choice Christians: Psalm 139:13-16 For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, and that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the lowest parts earth. Your eyes on my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them. Exodus 20:14 You shall not murder.

[@Justin-hb9wc]

I'm a progressive Christian too.

[@nycatlady2314]

Christians should follow the New Testament. Jesus said the one commandment we should all follow is to treat others the way we want to be treated. He didn’t say love people unless they are gay or their skin is a different color or have different beliefs. He said to love everyone. It’s not always easy but it would make a better society.

[@ruthhibbett595]

We are out here David.

[@imcrazy4bacon597]

Yes, we are here.

[@Bambi_Star]

I’m a transgender evangelical Christian that is very progressive. I’m all for abortion and gay marriage.

[@ryanm6914]

Please have him on again and other progressive christians like him!

[@josephhramirez4577]

I don't support Child molesters or homosexuals I don't hate them. We all need to repent.

[@a.e.3367]

Progressive Christian here...Jesus is the model progressive. He died for the sins of the world. He sacrificed his life so others would have life eternal. Doesn't get more progressive than that.