Progressive goes on Fox News, TOTAL COLLAPSE

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[@thedavidpakmanshow]

Demand the Supreme Court say NO to full immunity for Trump: atadvocacy.com/no-immunity-trump-5724?ref=dp

[@danielmiller7346]

QUESTION FOR FOX GUY: Because between David, the guy from Fox, and ALL your viewers, we must know MILLIONS of dementia patients! If such a miracle lucent-for-an-hour drug existed, then why is NOBODY ELSE using it in order to have a much desired hour with our effected loved ones?

[@ThomasNiemann-qe5fo]

Watching the debate for the first time and I'm only a third of the way through. Will is trying to play gotcha by claiming said/imagined that he was vice president during the pandemic. He was vice president during the swine flu pandemic. Is that perhaps what Biden was referring to?

[@wes53m]

Shouldn't be up for debate, best way for SCOTUS to protect Trump from Bidens' possible blood thirsty plots. Protect Trump, I guess? lol -- Terrible statement. I'm sorry, I mean no harm. You had a really good show. Although they agreed sometimes, you spared me from future Will Cain show. That religious authoritarianism for our country just really puts me off. Thanks for the chance to hear him express that. Great work David.

[@percyjunor5099]

17:20 17:23 I y​@@wes53m

[@abbienormull]

I did this, and I hope many others do as well. Thank you!

[@tarbosh917]

Will is acting in such bad faith it's obnoxious. He's playing hard on the 'just asking questions' vibe that Tucker Carlson is famous for. "Don't you think Biden must be on something?" into "Well the burden on proof is on you, David, to eliminate 100% of all drugs". You have more patience than I do.

[@everythingends555]

Lol it's very possible Biden took a nap and was well rested then drank some caffeine to be ready for a planned important state of the union speech as opposed to being exhausted and doing normal questions with reporters. I actually am more tired in the morning and around 2pm then I am at night time and if I have something important I need to be awake and alert like. Meeting I will drink caffeine and be prepared for it

[@everythingends555]

@sandrastone4997 I truly believe it's terrible logical and critical thinking skills. The fact that they have flawed skills/wqys of thinking is what leaves them open to fall for Tucker Carlson like arguments. Logic class should be taught in all high-school not just a college level class. So many people don't understand validity and soundness when it comes to deductive arguments.

[@machiajenni]

@@everythingends555 Yes, exactly. Me too.

[@nanoflower1]

@@everythingends555 The problem is that I don't believe Will falls into that group of people with flawed skills or lack of logic. He knows very well what he is doing, much like Tucker Carlson, and is using his own skills and logic to defend his chosen position. Even if it isn't a good faith argument.

[@everythingends555]

@@nanoflower1 agreed

[@wine-living]

This guy is such a bad-faith broker. He claims to be here in good faith, but he starts all of his debate points off on a false premise and then precedes to argue as if it's truth. It's the Donald Trump and FOX News playbook; start with a lie, and then back into it.

[@EcoCentrist]

bad-faith broker, gonna write that one down mhmm

[@dylansparrow6169]

I am beyond sick of these folks. I don't see the value in talking to them anymore. Every moment for them is just an opportunity to propagandize for their white power overlord.

[@godislove544]

He avoids the real topic of the current trial is election manipulation, tRump knew that another sex scandal story would end his chances, the public had a right to know, but he paid money to keep it from us.

[@visnuexe]

For the faithful that their Christian belief is the under pinning of the moral constraints of the country had better remember founding fathers built into the Constitutjon a separation of church from State knowing full well no one religious sect should dominate law and governance. That by doing so divides the country, and will fail the majority. It also removes freedom of religion.

[@paulchavez3039]

Yah they constantly beg the question and use it as a bunker. It's infuriating cuz it's like digging out a tick you found too late. Best move they have and it's super effective but hopefully not for long.

[@curtbressler3127]

I almost did a standing ovation when David said, "You want to talk about Adderall and Provigil!? Okay, let's talk about Adderall and Provigil!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@John-ht3tc]

This aged well for Pakman. LOL.

[@777Awsomeness]

was thinking the same thing

[@joeldeleon6107]

Are you being sarcastic? Biden is out because of the Biden trump debate. Will Cain was right about cognitive decline.

[@big-smoke-rc]

@@joeldeleon6107Parkman acknowledged Bidens decline. Everyone did. Now the oldest person ever to run is Trump. And he's completely senile.

[@onichan924]

@@joeldeleon6107are you still denying it????

[@marinachurch5102]

Thank you David Pakman for being a responsible , clear-headed intelligent voice!

[@gtnelson2004]

Will Cain says that Biden is 180 degress different than years ago, but overlooks Trumps "transformations"

[@jayess8714]

Very good point!

[@renaissanceman9168]

No, he doesn’t. He acknowledged that Trump has changed his position on issues but said “So what?” Did you not watch the entire video, were you not paying attention or do you just have poor comprehension skills?

[@dlbedette1234]

Who isn't different than years ago? I've aged and matured through life experience. I've educated myself. Wish more people would.

[@gulfmarine8857]

@@renaissanceman9168 "So what " IS overlooking tfgs transformation

[@renaissanceman9168]

@@gulfmarine8857 Go watch the video again. Cain is not faulting Biden, Trump or any other politician for changing their position over the years and trying to appeal to voters. He’s saying “so what” if they’ve changed their position. It’s David who’s the one giving Biden a pass for changing his opinion, while accusing Trump of demagoguery. The Left cries about “muh democracy”, but what’s more democratic than Trump, who according to David is pro-choice, making a promise to pro-life voters to overturn Roe V. Wade… and ACTUALLY delivering on it? Isn’t that the very definition of Democracy? Making the 51 percent happy at the expense of the 49 percent? Isn’t that why Democrats are undemocratically and unceremoniously importing future voters from the third world and giving them food and housing - to tip the scale in their favor?

[@jazallen-gm9ot]

Will Cain thought he was a mental match for David Pakman . 😂

[@finkiusmaximus]

I don't think he did a particularly bad job. I think he's a reasonably intelligent guy, and he was far more respectful to Pakman than I probably would have expected. But he wasn't ever about to "win" this conversation.

[@Jac407-ld5tf]

Pakman is in a total different league!!!

[@stevedunlap2430]

Great work David! Thank you for always defending the truth.

[@scottthompson9388]

😂😂😂

[@KDProudAmerican]

What truth? For years this retard Pussman told all of the user idiots that Biden was as sharp as a tack, while also saying that Trump was losing his marbles. And all y'all useful idiots ate it up.

[@krisap1635]

I am an average independent voter and I do not have any concerns about Joe Bidens health other than physically slowing down. I have 1 million concerns about Trumps mental,moral,and physical decline.

[@Baddestchik911]

But Joe Biden walks and rides his bike daily lol 😂 so he is in better health than Trump even though he is four years older and an octoganerian

[@MrDoctorproctor]

That’s an interesting point of view. Personally I think Biden’s decline I actually sad now. How a commander and chief is perceived is extremely important and plays a huge role in how people vote. Do I think Trump is vile. Yes I do and I don’t want him as our President. Which is exactly the reason why it would be braver to demand change and get a new option. Preferably someone who knows whether they have had their dinner or not. If this guy was straight he’d admit it’s a colossal issue and stop trying to play the “Trumps even worse.” Game. California is not in good shape but Newsom would shred Trump. What we have now is the grandad at the diner table that gets special dispensation because he’s had two strokes. None of the above

[@andysmith1996]

@@MrDoctorproctor For better or worse, though, there are only two choices in this election: Biden or Trump. So, pointing out that Trump's mental faculties are worse than Biden's is a legitimate observation. That said, I do think the left (not just in the US) can feel obligated to give their long-term politicians a go at the top job just because they've been there forever, instead of going for someone younger and more charismatic.

[@MrDoctorproctor]

@@andysmith1996 It’s for worse and if Biden had half the dignity a true leader should possess he would step aside

[@Zheshi14]

You don’t care that Biden is a serial liar?

[@MicheleHell]

This is a great display of Pakman’s ability to debate in a sane, intelligent way. He did an excellent job of staying on message and I am thankful for his appearance on the alternative facts network.

[@user-ey2xp2ge9y]

He clearly showed he is unable to argue in good faith. He totally failed on that point.

[@Adeus1]

This is true. A leftist has always been a beacon of peace and truth. A critic of authority. This is why i became a leftist. 'authority, unless justified, is inherently illegitimate and that the burden of proof is on those in authority." - Chomsky

[@robertr798]

Getting awfully bored of people who defend Trump, and the right in general, lecturing others on "morals". Save it.

[@rikachiu]

They just need a power hungry puppet to push thru their bat shit crazy agenda. That's all it really is.

[@Sadbuttrue-ThatSwedishGirl]

Me too!! I just say “Go to sleep “ to them nowadays 😅

[@45HatesOurVets]

I was thinking the same. They're the ones that are always judging someone and meanwhile their "moral compass" is all out of whack. You will never hear them call him out on it. I guess they are totally fine with his arrogance and ignorance.

[@jays1079]

"you're using specifics" 😂 Stop making sense David! Stop stating facts! 😂

[@MPR2]

💯

[@SmartRob]

As an independent voter- I’m voting for Joe Biden. I’ve view him as a man who is aging, however, he displays integrity, wisdom and surrounds himself with competent staff! I’m voting for democracy and a future for our country. Why don’t we hold reverence for our elders in this country? Thanks David! Interesting conversation.

[@karenwhaley8635]

💯 agree!! Other countries treat their elderly population so much better than the richest country in the world!! Sadly right now the elderly in this society were many of the most moral, ethical, hardest working, patriotic, democracy loving this nation has ever known!! Sadly here corporate America only serves the youth.When I was young we always respected our elders. Vote 💙🇺🇲💙 America

[@siswohlslagel8919]

Blue 💙💙💙💙

[@DJDocSurge]

Beautifully said

[@tytechguy]

Well put. I feel the same way. Biden may have his shortcomings but he is a decent guy that actually cares about others and their well-being instead of just himself. Biden may not be the perfect president but he has done a stellar job with what he's had and he's did it with dignity and respect for others and it's been almost 4 years of normalcy and no scandals aside from a cult of personality we used to call the republican party.

[@sinapper1]

Thank you SmartRob.

[@annejentoft5305]

There is NO drug in the world that would make a demented person sound less demented. That is a fact.

[@danman1789]

Correct. and it's hilarious that Will doesn't understand that if you're gonna make a claim, YOU have to back it up. Otherwise just drop the claim

[@jamesritchie992]

THAT WE NO OF

[@Peter-up9yw]

@@jamesritchie992 "..... know of ....."

[@jamesritchie992]

@Peter-up9yw says the guy who's username has all types of grammar errors 🙄 smh

[@louiedawg5]

Joe Biden here

[@deborahpitcher7723]

And I can hardly wait for Trump to take the stand in all the cases against him. I think that would be great under oath.

[@dianarising7703]

You did well, but I could only listen to that person for a short time. Joe is so much sharper than trump and much sharper than many politicians

[@laurendaryani4893]

The frustrating thing is how often these right-wingers judge everything through this already-skewed framework that rejects reality for their own delusions and then impose that nonsense on everyone else. I shouldn't have to convince Will that Biden _wasn't_ hopped up on drugs during the SOTU simply because Will has subscribed to the poorly supported notion that Biden has only ever been up to that point a cognitive vegetable. He and his ilk need to first convince me/us that Biden is a cognitive vegetable in the first place.

[@ADayintheLifeofMr23]

He’s doing the Tucker Carlson thing. “I’m not saying that, I’m just asking questions that other people are asking.”

[@xiaoka]

and if you can't disprove this thing that i'm not defending, it therefore must be true.

[@antimediaman9354]

Pakman is guilty of misrepresentation: Pakman suggests that Will Cain asserted Biden is on drugs. Deflection: When Will clarifies he never made such claims, Pakman says, "I'm willing to leave it at that." Further Discussion on Substance Use: Misrepresentation: Pakman continues to discuss specific drugs like Adderall and Provigil, implying that Cain's argument is about these specific substances. Deflection: When Cain points out he never mentioned specific drugs, Pakman continues to address the specifics of these drugs rather than the broader accusation of cognitive decline. Pakman is being caught left and right as he tries to pull this crap and then backs away after being called out.

[@georgrust1462]

As a European, I am Swiss, I was very pleased to see that there are still people in the US who can have a polite, respectful tone and a fair exchange of opinions in a good atmosphere, even if they disagree, and that even on Fox News. My compliments.

[@Yuallsomad]

Great job David! The fact you are sensible enough to account for things you don't agree with on 'our side'. They can NEVER admit they have anything wrong with them...They are so blind!

[@Notfiveo0]

Trump used to be a Democrat, he changed only because he knew he could hoodwink the party of stupid.

[@wgooetrik]

Grifters gotta grift.

[@carolcarson7749]

He has changed party's 5 times.

[@MPR2]

💯💯💯

[@GaryRine]

@@carolcarson7749 LOL...LOL.. is this a defense of... or an indictment of.... the idiotic, evangelical, poorly educated, low IQ MAGAt base???? asking for a friend...LOL

[@natepatrick5994]

He ran on the gop ticket bc the dnc primaries are rigged and controlled. All came out in the leaked emails and why the dnc chair resigned in 2016. Used to have unpledged superdelegates up until that point. Still gotta be a dem establishment insider to run in that party

[@NomadSoul76]

I can't get over the part where he acts like he's interested in the names of the mental health professionals who have said that Trump show signs of a serious decline but as soon as he's offered them he doesn't care and dismisses the opinions of all intellectuals as being automatically wrong. That's a pretty good example of arguing in bad faith.

[@user-yf4fi6mf9u]

I would agree. Furthermore, if an individual refers to the ‘establishment’ with obvious disdain, though I admit it is a pejorative term these days, then the suggestion that the individual is open to references on a medical topic is fallacious. He asks for references then only to respond with a ‘I couldn’t care less…it’s an establishment’ attitude. Cain demeans the notion of being too wedded to establishments. I understand being cautious and inquisitive about medical professionals and policies but to suggest the it is an ‘establishment’ that should not be trusted is absolutely irresponsible. The notion of a ‘villainous’ entity has its roots in an administration the was wholly unprepared and unqualified to handle a medical crisis. They tried to lie and deny their way through it and then blame career medical professionals for basically using crayons and talking over their heads. I wonder if Mr Cain felt otherwise. He suggests that relying on establishments is antithetical to the this great country while, at the same time, following a populist leader under felony indictments is being more ‘in touch’ with the voters. Denialism if not cultism. List of vilified establishments under DJT: DOJ/FBI/CIA DOD NIH IRS Pretty much every Sec of State in every state that didn’t vote for him. Please help me understand what other candidate has done this and has been taken seriously. This wasn’t a policy discussion but I thought it ridiculous that Mr Crain would endorse (justify) personal behavior as a means to justify the ends, not to mention the ‘whataboutism’ overtones.

[@user-yf4fi6mf9u]

I would agree. Furthermore, if and individual refers to the ‘establishment’ with obvious disdain, though I admit it is a pejorative term these days, then the suggestion that the individual is open to references on a medical topic is fallacious. He asks for references then label only responds with a ‘I couldn’t care less…it’s an establishment’ attitude. Cain demeans the notion of being too wedded to establishments. I understand being cautious and inquisitive about medical professionals and policies but to suggest the it is an ‘establishment’ that should not be trusted is absolutely irresponsible. The notion of a ‘villainous’ entity has its roots in an administration the was wholly unprepared and unqualified to handle a medical crisis. They tried to lie and deny their way through it and then blame career medical professionals for basically using crayons and talking over their heads. I wonder if Mr Cain felt otherwise. He suggests that relying on establishments is antithetical to the this great country while, at the same time, following a populist leader under felony indictments is being more ‘in touch’ with the voters. Denialism if not cultism. List of vilified establishments under DJT: DOJ/FBI/CIA DOD NIH IRS Pretty much every Sec of State in every state that didn’t vote for him. This wasn’t a policy discussion but I thought it ridiculous that Mr Crain would endorse (justify) personal behavior as a means to justify the ends, not to mention the ‘whataboutism’ overtones.

[@FionaKelleghan111]

@@user-yf4fi6mf9u What a fantastic post, thank you!

[@JMBvideo]

I guess the jury saw it differently than Will Cain

[@tamaraspringer2511]

A debate is VERY different than a speech. Debating an opponent that lies every time he speaks is hard to respond to in such a short time period as a minute or two. I think Biden was rattled at the sheer volume of inaccuracies and had difficulty recalling all the right statistics to rebut Trump.

[@carmelaguanciale6620]

Plus, is trump going to take a drug test? Cause a lot of us want trump to take one too.

[@user-fp3do5nn2h]

YES !

[@Sate12]

Trump only wants Biden to take the test. Trump and his cult followers think it's ludicrous to suggest Von Shitzinpants even consider taking a drug test

[@CarolEdmonds-pk7hr]

carmelaguanciale6620,if tRump is insisting that Biden be drug-tested before the debates, then he’d BEST submit to a drug screening!!!

[@bonniejosavland3227]

First, Rumpy needs to take drug tests first!😮😂

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

Here's aspirin, ok Here's nicotine, ok Here's alcohol, ok Here's Ozempic,ok Here's...

[@wileyput]

Great job David. It's really difficult to debate those who intentionally suspend logic, common sense, and rational thinking. He's obviously acting in bad faith. You did an amazing job.

[@TO-w6y]

“Why isn’t it showing up on any poll about that Americans are concerned about Bidens age” That aged well for you David, you’re a clown bruh

[@davidhaut3778]

I love how these two can ferociously debate while being civil.

[@marks6292]

Except if you read the comments, that is not a value that the Left shares with you.

[@davidhaut3778]

@@marks6292 unfortunately I see nasty name calling coming from both sides, especially with the anonymity of being behind a keyboard.

[@IntelligentAj1]

My man said "you're using specifics" and made it sound like a negative😂

[@gloriouslumi]

Specifics don't sell narratives.

[@irishva2314]

🎯

[@DRY-C0WB0Y]

I loved David’s big smile and nod *Yes I am!* reaction to that statement.

[@seanp7dc]

That moment was classic!

[@AB-nk5wv]

Every time David cites something, Will Cain says “no” “I haven’t seen it” “the professionals are wrong”

[@diegopina8782]

Lmaooo bro so what? Republicans literally brag that Trump is not a politician, yet you give him a pass for moving like a politician? Please.

[@checksandbalances6714]

What Trump is, is a liar and he lies to help himself or get vengeance - who wants such a person with that much power ?!

[@JOwinsallday]

GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER… not a politician… nice argument 😮😅 next time you need surgery go out and find the BEST used car salesmen and tell me how that goes. Or better yet, have your family tell me because you probably won’t survive

[@easymoneysniper9013]

​@@JOwinsalldaywhat?

[@teenootang843]

Omg😂 David. When u did trumps Saudi glitch impression. I literally fell to the floor. Rofl!!!

[@WunHungLo99]

Trump can't put together a single incoherent sentence of any depth and meaning. He can only repeat the same BS he said 1000 times b4.

[@antimediaman9354]

Pakman is guilty of misrepresentation: Pakman suggests that Will Cain asserted Biden is on drugs. Deflection: When Will clarifies he never made such claims, Pakman says, "I'm willing to leave it at that." Further Discussion on Substance Use: Misrepresentation: Pakman continues to discuss specific drugs like Adderall and Provigil, implying that Cain's argument is about these specific substances. Deflection: When Cain points out he never mentioned specific drugs, Pakman continues to address the specifics of these drugs rather than the broader accusation of cognitive decline. Pakman is being caught left and right as he tries to pull this crap and then backs away after being called out.

[@pre4122]

Coherent. I think you meant to say Trump can't put together a single coherent sentence. He can speak incoherent sentences like it's his native tongue.

[@antimediaman9354]

@@pre4122 Well if not than he's too stupid and weak to take overr the country and become dictator than right? You DEMS have to pick a position and stay on it without flip flopping.

[@Chunlintan-yl7tu]

And his only big word is tremendous. Everything is tremendous. So pathetic.

[@Dwightaroundyolips]

You mean Coherent lol. Insert foot in mouth little one

[@tonydorsett33]

This was a MASTERCLASS in how to debate the Trump cult. Pakman refuted every tactic and showed that when you bring in SPECIFICS, they have no answer.

[@auntiewewe972]

Sorry Will. We can debate Left vs Right politics all day. But stop the gas lighting . Facts 1. Trump was one of the most inefficient, ineffective presidents in history. Added the most debt to the deficit and is the only president in history to leave office with less jobs then when he came in 2 He has zero respect , from our allies and other world leaders not authoritarian 3. He is ignorant of everything from foreign policy, to the constitution, the laws, and ways our country work. 4. Like every other Republican in the last 60 yrs, he came into office riding high on the previous administration economy, and left with it in total collapse or recession. 5. Oh and most important. . . He's an insurrectionist, traitor, criminal who sold our the US to line his pockets. He's a rapist and sexual offender. I don't care if Trump could cure cancer. He's an , evil, vile, disgusting, seditious a**wipe His policies don't matter. Its not even political. If you support Trump and this party you are a pathetic turd

[@Labearski44]

Lol keep telling your self that, it'll save you the embarrassment of admitting you were hood winked.

[@furusaogoge]

I am literally scared of Pakman now! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 13:19 was what did it.

[@beanabovethefrank1499]

Worse than that, they whine about it. Like you're being mean to them. These are the same people who argue that there are both sides, and have no side to support. And they came up with the term "snowflake." Ironic.

[@antimediaman9354]

Pakman is guilty of misrepresentation: Pakman suggests that Will Cain asserted Biden is on drugs. Deflection: When Will clarifies he never made such claims, Pakman says, "I'm willing to leave it at that." Further Discussion on Substance Use: Misrepresentation: Pakman continues to discuss specific drugs like Adderall and Provigil, implying that Cain's argument is about these specific substances. Deflection: When Cain points out he never mentioned specific drugs, Pakman continues to address the specifics of these drugs rather than the broader accusation of cognitive decline. Pakman is being caught left and right as he tries to pull this crap and then backs away after being called out.

[@DanCrawl]

David is honest and prepared. Will is dishonest and unprepared. Well done David!

[@chenzen1578]

David also leads the conversation masterly

[@HH-jg4ju]

Will please shut up your so cringing

[@MadKingLordeus]

I believe Will and his listeners are stupid enough to believe he is being honest and prepared. Crazy to think that anyone thinks this conversation went well for Will Cain.

[@ianharrison3464]

He took over the show. Cain was so outta gas by the Final 10 mins.

[@DavidJones-zg4od]

Will Cain looks and acts like Howdy Doody.

[@jander1535]

Will Cains face when David destroys his arguments😅

[@dylanmeyer6614]

OMG David. You destroyed him! He was squirming so hard when you challenged him on Biden mental decline and alleged drug use.

[@lyfsabych]

It was like watching a philosophy professor debate a 6th grader.

[@RatedArggg]

When did the term "conservative" come to mean "making excuses for Trump no matter what crazy thing he does?"

[@pams6763]

Exactly! They have turned their back on everything they've claimed to believe in before.

[@dilsadmeraler]

He openly says that he doesn’t want to go back to normalcy and doesn’t see what trump is No way to get rid of them until they lose congress and presidency That’s the only way out I can see

[@aandyherr817]

@ktbn22when did Biden send a mob to riot and murder in the Capitol? When did Biden rape 8 kids and admit himself on public TV he raped a women? When did Biden get convicted of rape in a court? When did Biden literally touch a 16 year old sexually on the vagina and say “ I like em young “ about Jeffery epstine? Everything trump did… so there’s that disgusting fact

[@RockChick63174]

No, sit down and let the critical thinkers speak. ​@ktbn22

[@siobhan4243]

​​@ktbn22 Those who support Biden are not cultists. Those who support trump seem to be in a cult. The regalia, extreme behavior, rabid fealty, circus atmosphere, acceptance of bad behavior, etc. All reek of religious cultism.

[@taypendik]

Thank you guys, Nice to have two people debating admitting certain things, spending time to understand each other, THANK GOOOOOOOOOOD

[@jtg2323]

34 counts - GUILTY. Felon 45 is a convict.

[@Zod741]

You like Pac-Man sound like a CNN commentator

[@christinajohnson2105]

Trump is a true OG!

[@alexasilvestri1380]

@@Zod741 doesn't matter what you say, Trump is still a convicted felon

[@Peter-up9yw]

@@christinajohnson2105 What does OG mean? OG, short for “original gangster” or “original gangsta,” is a slang term for someone who's incredibly exceptional, authentic, or “old-school.” OG was originally used in gang culture, but it is now used as a general term to praise someone who is an expert at something.

[@louiedawg5]

I’m voting for the convict.

[@havocdogg]

Imagine thinking your winning a debate when your opening line for a rebuttal is " Once again David you are using specifics"

[@kc8901-u6n]

Haha, I thought the same thing. Specifics are scary to them, that's why they only speak in hypotheticals.

[@ianharrison3464]

Exactly! They always revert to hypotheticals

[@AbsalonWhiteJr.]

That caught me off guard as well. How can you be mad at someone giving you specifics as opposed to someone giving you ass pulls?

[@danielaustin2766]

Like their famous line "what, specifically, is a woman?" Bro, it's anything and nothing at the same time. It's the sun, the moon, and neither. Feminism is defending men now. There are no women. Like, right?

[@JohnHondo11997]

I loved David’s response to that.

[@seanp7dc]

David: You are AMAZING. Triple the IQ of this guy (who is he?), patient, factual, and incredibly intellectual (and funny!) We love you! Keep up the good fight.

[@randilowery9669]

💯% agree!!! 👏👍

[@melanieestes8428]

Will is stuck on stupid 😂

[@Jolpz21]

If anyone in this chat thinks Biden is declining less than Trump, you are crazy!

[@brianmi40]

So, let's say we agree. Doesn't that simply leave the issue of WHO should govern with all those concerns aside? WHOSE policies will be BETTER for the USA? A vindictive Trump, or a law abiding Biden?

[@antimediaman9354]

says you so maybe you are the one declining

[@cassandrawashington1401]

Both of these Elderly men shouldn't even be candidates running for anything, except the bathroom🚽 Republicans and Democrats are going to be screwed regardless of who wins the election 🤦🏻

[@bryanhill1406]

Wrong chat, go check the chat at Faux News

[@bryanhill1406]

Just the fact that we have 2 old and slow people to choose from stinks to high hell of a christo-fascist deepstate, manipulating both sides. Even still, I will never vote red in my lifetime, and will try to convince everyone I know to vote against those evil fu$%s. I would never take my chances with the reich-wing.

[@squire4463]

Pakman is a capable partisan advocate, but he’s not fundamentally more interested in truth than what advances his team. Will (speaking of the relative rate of mental decline of Trump vs. Biden): “Trump may be going 60 in a 55 but Biden is veering off into the ditch at 120”. David: “I do totally disagree with you.” “All of the predictions about Biden’s decline failed to materialize and he does fine”. Two months ago. That didn’t age well.

[@Siris35]

Pakman show is having an impact. Keep up the great work.

[@Ghee_Buttersnaps]

_IMPACTMAN!_ 💪💪💪

[@FionaKelleghan111]

@@Ghee_Buttersnaps Lovely!!

[@xavirik4828]

Couldn't think of anything more pointless than speaking to Will Cain about politics. He's a disingenuous hack

[@Dragonslairminis]

He came across as one as well. Except all his supporters think David was mean to him, not letting him talk and making stuff up.

[@blaccpanther8715]

Y’all have very high standards. I thought Cain conducted himself very well

[@littlejerryseinfeld4168]

Go back to his ESPN days, he made skip bay less seem way less worse than he usually is

[@littlejerryseinfeld4168]

@@blaccpanther8715he “conducted” himself fine, he spoke clearly - but hes being disingenuous and making wild assertions like “trumps going 60 in a 55 but Bidens driving into a ditch” - and then when in good faith David tried to get into specifics based on experts who have appeared and spoken very clearly on his show to David (and many others) , all the sudden that was out of bounds for Will Cain. He doesn’t come across as a bongino or a kilmeade or a Maria bartiromo , but that’s intentional. No one is saying will Cain is a total moron, he’s obviously educated, and has the capacity to talk about these things and come across as normal. The problem with his style is that he will not concede any points whatsoever , and basically turns David’s arguments into the whataboutism that fox has perfected

[@wddilly8488]

Yup. This.

[@chrisdoyle5646]

I think Trump was pausing for applause and it took him 35 seconds to realize he wasn't going to get it.

[@ososkic8673]

Where was it. How can i find the video

[@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965]

this guest shrieks about logical fallacies like a 13 year old debate-lord edge-lord LOL

[@willpenn2797]

Trump has been booed so much lately he is trying to hear which way the audience is going

[@DennepeerRelaxation]

It looked a lot like an absence. A light epileptic 'attack'. This includes the shaking his head.

[@edparry4640]

@@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965you’re shrieking

[@EcoCentrist]

Will Cain gives me used car salesmen vibes

[@user-cp9lz9pt8b]

I get power bottom vibes from Will but you are also correct, he does give off used car salesman vibes

[@Tech4Lyfe]

He gave me Tucker b4 Tucker became "the Tucker" vibes. If u follow me. 😆

[@Israel-nb7ip]

Ambulance chaser lawyer is more accurate IMO.

[@scottkemmerer9294]

You are right. I think he sold me a car years ago?????

[@lindaquap4730]

I don’t like this Will Cain. He’s rude toward David Pakman.

[@ajitthomas629]

Will Cain is a terrible debater. David mopped the floor with him.

[@robertlanglois7860]

He makes an accusation and then puts the burden of proof on the accused 😐

[@mba321]

Typical fascist MO

[@nudgie9]

Yep! Absolute projection. Guilty from accusation.

[@madhippy3]

And he is supposed to have a degree in law???? He knows where the burden of proof is in our culture. He is just ignoring it.

[@lyfsabych]

Being an attorney doesn't make you intelligent, or ethical.

[@davidwrong3628]

I thought you were innocent until proven guilty. Cain is speaking the opposite, which is what is wrong with the Republicans today.

[@michaelnieves9688]

David, your preparation for the debate was outstanding, and you clearly emerged as the argument winner.

[@reginaldmagee3586]

Will Cain is a grifter.

[@Zod741]

Pac-Man is supreme grifter along with Cenk and Anna

[@antimediaman9354]

Pakman is guilty of misrepresentation: Pakman suggests that Will Cain asserted Biden is on drugs. Deflection: When Will clarifies he never made such claims, Pakman says, "I'm willing to leave it at that." Further Discussion on Substance Use: Misrepresentation: Pakman continues to discuss specific drugs like Adderall and Provigil, implying that Cain's argument is about these specific substances. Deflection: When Cain points out he never mentioned specific drugs, Pakman continues to address the specifics of these drugs rather than the broader accusation of cognitive decline. Pakman is being caught left and right as he tries to pull this crap and then backs away after being called out.

[@TimWilson1]

“I’m not a member of an organized political party, I’m a Democrat.” Will Rogers in the 1930s. Great debate gentlemen! Well done.

[@autumnleaves8553]

How on earth is Biden too old and incompetent but not Trump?

[@lastjob2011]

Because Trump has cult members, and Biden doesn't!

[@gnomechomsky2524]

Because that’s how cultists think

[@brandong298]

It’s not his age. Bernie is older and fine but honestly both he and Trump are senile.

[@aegisrunestone5573]

His fake tan, his fake hair, and his loud mouth makes all the difference to the cultists

[@HannibalOrJustRex]

Because Trump proves he's still young and virile by dancing like a toddler who just messed his pants. By the way they proudly show up to his rallies wearing diapers it seems like his cult is really into that kind of stuff.

[@JonStark117]

*God these Fox News personalities are absolutely pathetic.*

[@user-cp9lz9pt8b]

Democrats evolve with the country, Republicans stay stuck in the 1950's. Not the same reason why Biden has shifted with the country and Trump has shifted on whatever is best for Trump. I would say Pakman destroyed Cain but Cain destroyed himself.

[@birdiegirl1622]

He’s right in this case, Pakman is pushing a false equivalency narrative, showing Trump’s decline while ignoring Biden’s, thats pathetic

[@Chereese0808]

Excuses for trump always. FOX is propaganda channel and there should be a warning / disclaimer on the screen. Most believe what's said on FOX is true when most all of it are lies. They won't like it the day trump cancels them in the blink of an eye. He will do if he were to win. Fortunately he won't win. Cognitively he's unfit. It can't be more obvious. Over 300 doctors have spoken out about what they've witnessed.

[@PaperRaines]

Why be any different? When the left leaning side of the media ecosystem is filled with dorks like David who can't wait to come in their shows and fanboy all over them while getting lied to for an hour?

[@vickilawrence7207]

Jonstark, you’re absolutely spot on! That’s what is so scary about

[@jonedwards4131]

Will Cain talks a lot and articulated nothing. Certainly not compelling.

[@danielalvarez157]

Great job to the both of them.

[@gordonhall9943]

Sir, with tears in my eyes, please do more of these. Mr. Cain is no match in terms of fact and intellect.

[@svenhaight477]

Will needs to stick to having right wing partisan hacks as guests, David just made him look like an idiot.

[@stevemartin7096]

How very refreshing to hear, and watch, individuals from opposite sides of "the aisle" have a reasonable conversation. There was no name calling, there was an authentic attempt to listen to the other's position, there was no demonizing the other, and there was an intelligent defense of their own position. Thank you gentlemen! 👏👏

[@kevincraighead6993]

Cain sounds like an apologist. Weak.

[@nullverba856]

Sounding like an apologist is an occupational hazard for these (T)Rump State Republicans. _Why does The Chosen One wear His hair like that?_ Sometimes we must appeal to mystery. But please ... *don't forget to tithe.* The Chosen One's financial obligations are legion.

[@SpencerfromEarth]

"Some people say Biden is on drugs" "Thats absurd" "Prove that he isnt!" "Well no you have to prove he is" "Thats moving the burden of proof!!"

[@davidgray867]

That one plus the “he actual is on trial, he’s the key witness” got me

[@thatguyineverycommentssection]

LOL yes! What a sad example of The University of Texas School of Law

[@werdofgod]

I was wondering if anyone in the comments caught this as well, and I'm concerned that this is the new form of 'argument' that is coming in the near future (or perhaps is already more prevalent). It's a really gross way to argue in bad faith.

[@patsox2004]

​@@werdofgodyea and it frustrated me that David didn't turn it back on him with trump.

[@Ixnatifual]

@@werdofgod I watch a lot of religious debates and it's pretty much standard for theists debaters to try to shift the burden of proof. It's quite revealing, even if tiresome.

[@frunyan1265]

Accusation of drug use without evidence is a dick move. Typical with these people.

[@irwinshung809]

It goes beyond that. Dude accused Biden of specific drugs, then asserted that the burden of proof was on David to prove there were no drugs. Stupid.

[@robtay1963]

I think it is getting a good nap and drinking a strong cup of coffee. But beyond that anyone who knows drug users knows there is no drug that will give someone advanced cognitive abilities. Legal "Drugs" keeping one alert are legal, caffeine, ginseng and others are not technically drugs on any realistic scale, and trump obviously needed to drink more coffee before court each day.

[@machiajenni]

I'm not Joe Biden's age, but I know if I had to give an important speech, I'd just naturally get all hyped up beforehand. Then a Red Bull or a cup of strong coffee would do the trick to get me even more energized.

[@bonniejosavland3227]

@@robtay1963well we’ve seen white chunks fly out of -45 nose 👃 & Drs do not provide snorting meds to patients. We know that -45 has a Adderall addiction!

[@nanoflower1]

My immediate thought was we could suggest that Will Caine is going out and raping people at night. I have no evidence of it but I also have no proof that he isn't doing it. It's the sort of accusation that's designed to damn the accused no matter what they say or do. It is very much a dick move, especially when David brought up why it shouldn't be done and countered with evidence as to why it shouldn't apply to Biden and yet Will stuck to the accusation because there's no 100% proof Biden isn't doing it.

[@jennifer4bz953]

I'd rather have Grandpa (who may be showing cognitive decline and getting slow) look after my well being than a demented, revenge seeking authoritarian. Oh, I forgot morally corrupt.

[@marcnigro146]

So super high inflation, compete open borders, lawlessness and crime everywhere, transgenders and cocaine at the white house, wars all over the world now , everything we buy to live it at all time high prices....thats taking care of us???

[@EweCantHandletheTruth]

Lol…narcissistic tendencies

[@Hipnip1son]

I’m on board with you @jennifer4bz953. I’d vote for a dead dog before Trump.

[@munjompalden]

The guy got pinned against the wall so bad he brought up a high school question: “What’s your biggest criticism of your side?”

[@serchme54]

It’s called fascist ideology Will. Our parents and Grandparents fought to defeat people like Trump. Um unions are not for Trump.

[@deborahdunn7844]

Bingo.

[@serchme54]

@ktbn22 That was only one Union but good try.

[@UlassG]

​@ktbn22Under Trump, max wage for working class was around 30 to 40k max. You were all poor dude. He slashed wages all over the board by around 30 percent. Not to mention, he killed thousands of Americans by a virus he unleashed, he locked you all to your houses for 1 year straight, and you all hoarded toilet papers. Not to mention daily riots that he cannot do anything about since he is not competent. Trumps is evil, and he is not American. He only praises foreign autocrats, not Americans. How anyone, who supports Trump, claim they are patriots is beyond me!

[@TheCRBTree]

THIS!

[@TheCRBTree]

Workers winning the ability to collective bargain is not a 'disaster'. Over the last decades union membership has plummeted while wealth inequality has skyrocketed, it's not a coincidence. And Trump literally paid SCABS to show up for him at that 'union rally'. It's been proven. The UGA has ENDORSED Biden and fpotus' only legislative achievement was a huge tax break for the wealthy. Open your damn eyes.

[@1107FlexBlvd]

Bernie Sanders is 82 and would talk circles around ANYONE in U.S. politics.

[@EasyWinking]

id vote for bernie at 100 because his policies simply are the best things for the USA

[@jaefrmbk2k]

💯

[@credman]

#Bernie2028

[@AustinPowerz817]

Facts

[@gustavolasanta1482]

Nothing but facts

[@michaelesparza4972]

David is at another level. Will should have stayed at ESPN.

[@elizabethsmailliw3276]

Trump was not in a dramatic moment. He forgot where he was!

[@bhuevo6960]

I love the aggressive nature David pushes‼️ Make the right play defense more often

[@bethflynn4278]

I'm 61 and have always been against abortion and voted republican.. I have learned and changed my stance and have switched to democrat and support a woman right to choose and to have good health care. I have no problem with Biden changing his view over the years. I am happy he is hearing Americans and giving us what we want and need.

[@socal2020]

Thank you!

[@winonaho]

Something I wish more Republicans would accept is that it's totally okay to accept that one might have been wrong about Trump.

[@Chase0522]

You are awesome Beth

[@dilsadmeraler]

This is such a refreshing thing to read. Why we all wouldn’t think and change our minds about everything? Life is changing , ideas are evolving and there is no shame for changing our ideas. I promise you if I ever hear anything from republicans that will make more sense than democrats I would change my mind. Unfortunately I do not have anything so far 😂😂

[@freeindeed8416]

Why are you for abortion now

[@digitalben420]

What’s a “really big audience” ? Asking for a friend.

[@vondeezl2961]

At thee end of the day, and the conversation...Trump and his entire MAGA Republicans need to GO!... Period! If our government was to actually grow some balls and site Trump for being an insurrectionist and promoting such acts, He wouldn't even be allowed to run or ever hold office again! Then we can once and for all stop having these nonsensical conversations with folks who like the sound of big words but can't decipher between right or wrong! 🤔

[@myhelina123]

Bravo David! You are an excellent debater. Proud to have you on our side.

[@aimlessnan7854]

It’s almost cute that Will Cain thought he could come unprepared to have a conversation with David Pakman. 😂

[@HH-jg4ju]

Facts. David is so good so logical and smart

[@SpacesCharlie]

The speechlessness with "maybe it isn't" at 15:58 was glorious

[@brynpaulstevens3493]

Pakman is so well spoken.

[@Verodeslilas]

This guy knows he lies and covers lies . No wonder he’s working for Fox News

[@ErnstKuhn]

He couldn't work there otherwise. Fox News is the worst thing to happen in journalism since the third Reich.

[@antimediaman9354]

Pakman is guilty of misrepresentation: Pakman suggests that Will Cain asserted Biden is on drugs. Deflection: When Will clarifies he never made such claims, Pakman says, "I'm willing to leave it at that." Further Discussion on Substance Use: Misrepresentation: Pakman continues to discuss specific drugs like Adderall and Provigil, implying that Cain's argument is about these specific substances. Deflection: When Cain points out he never mentioned specific drugs, Pakman continues to address the specifics of these drugs rather than the broader accusation of cognitive decline. Pakman is being caught left and right as he tries to pull this crap and then backs away after being called out.

[@w0ody16]

Will Cain admitting he's a Trump cultist. Well done David.

[@socraytes]

No he specifically said he rejects Pakman's premise of "agree with me or you're a cult member". That's me saying tell you, either vote Republican or you're a pedo.

[@James-ll3jb]

Are you deaf? Or just mentally ill? Nothing of the sort😊

[@Bigfacts1117]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@BlackIce3190]

He literally did no such thing. Stop lying.

[@w0ody16]

@@BlackIce3190 But he did though, just in more/other words.

[@sheiladamron5630]

Hes the same as calling David Packman a lier! This is disgraceful and so rude! Good job David!!

[@sharlene44]

David, whilst I don’t always agree with everything you say, nor the sensational language you use at times, I do appreciate your calm, respectful way of debating. I love how well you know history, geographical politics and many other things.

[@jmw611]

David is easily 6 times smarter than this Tucker wanna be.

[@MrDoctorproctor]

He may be smarter however Biden is clearly in trouble cognitively. Pretending it’s okay because they gave him the Kennedy injection for the state of the union is a bad move. I find it disingenuous of Peckham to try and sell that Trump is in worse shape than him. It’s actually sad and gross.

[@fayeb.5855]

Cain presents himself as an educated intellectual….while supporting Trump. 🤣

[@evertvdb000]

tucker is worse tucker is nuts

[@MPR2]

More like 10x!

[@VinceG18]

😂😂😂😂. will didn’t take the jab davey did. right there it shows who is smarter.

[@DJchestr]

"So what?" As an answer to Trump only looking out for himself is deeply concerning and completely nullifies all of him appeals against authority.

[@buddyflood6761]

He thinks trump is just out for himself to get votes then will be for the people,which it's easy to see trumps last concern is for the people except for their vote

[@beanabovethefrank1499]

He's not a war hawk...my ass. Just because shit didn't go down on his term doesn't mean he's opposed to it. He's the guy who wanted to compare dicks with Kim Jong Un for no apparent reason. And getting on your knees to Putin is not how one goes around claiming to not have gone into any wars. The Earth hasn't been hit by an asteroid since Biden was elected. Way to go, Biden!

[@brian3288]

Thank You David! You mean a lot to us!

[@brianmi40]

Hold Cain to it: the BURDEN OF PROOF is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS on the CLAIMANT. He claims DRUGS, which drugs Will????

[@trebm3]

Will Cain was an idiot on ESPN and was embarrassed almost daily. He got worse on Fox and continues to be an absolute clown.

[@Israel-nb7ip]

Max Kellerman routinely ran circles around him. He's simply a bad joke of a supposedly intelligent person.

[@imjustmeTBD]

Funny thing about idiots like Will Cain, they actually don't stop being idiots just because you have them moved to a different channel, project, or something.

[@antimediaman9354]

Pakman is guilty of misrepresentation: Pakman suggests that Will Cain asserted Biden is on drugs. Deflection: When Will clarifies he never made such claims, Pakman says, "I'm willing to leave it at that." Further Discussion on Substance Use: Misrepresentation: Pakman continues to discuss specific drugs like Adderall and Provigil, implying that Cain's argument is about these specific substances. Deflection: When Cain points out he never mentioned specific drugs, Pakman continues to address the specifics of these drugs rather than the broader accusation of cognitive decline. Pakman is being caught left and right as he tries to pull this crap and then backs away after being called out.

[@haydaytyphoid9005]

fox guy is a joke

[@OfficialDangus]

A really bad joke.

[@sally4466]

"once again, David, you are using specifics" 😂

[@nancyadamson6755]

Will is saying Biden, his cognitive thinking is bad but Trump's lying is not concerning. Huh. The Will Cain show is not worth watching.

[@joburke10]

David smoked Will Cain on the dementia debate, Cain came with generalizations, and david provided specifically and asked Will to counter he couldn't so topic change.

[@JOMAFUA]

So Bottom line, what does this mean in regards to Trump and Biden?

[@Devinoch]

Man, you ran so many rings around this guy that it threatened to destabilize the rotation of the planet. Well done, David.

[@reneekelly3012]

😂 LMAO

[@Goofybear253]

​@@reneekelly3012lmao 😂😂😂 what no matter what you say your gonna look like a joke

[@kellier021285]

Pakman is a weasel imo

[@carked5707]

If there was a drug that made folks with dementia or cognitive decline wouldn't they be using it for older folks with these conditions.

[@thedadwars]

David ate this guys lunch. 😂

[@genisisfivehundred3975]

Joe Biden doesn't abuse drugs. Plain and simple. Can that truthfully be said about Trump?

[@lisawallace1750]

The fact that the guy thinks he does not have a burden of proof is as ridiculous as him accusing David of being too specific in his rebuttal. Unbelievable.

[@Dragonslairminis]

That was the most telling. Except you know fox viewers will just ignore that bit.

[@lyfsabych]

​@@Dragonslairministhey'll ignore it because they're too stupid to catch it.

[@marshcurt8930]

Pakman is unbreakable, super smart, and my favorite part is how he makes a good point and then let the other person to look stupid. He diesnt interupt.

[@JohnHilaryMartin]

David Pakman won that debate by a country mile.

[@HoofHearted6]

Bingo!!!

[@antimediaman9354]

Davids saying Trump’s only in it for himself? Newsflash, David: politicians are out for themselves. Biden isn’t some altruistic saint doing student loan forgiveness out of the goodness of his heart. He’s buying votes, plain and simple. The only difference is Trump doesn’t pretend otherwise. At least he’s upfront about it. Biden, on the other hand, has flip-flopped more times than a fish out of water.

[@antimediaman9354]

He wants to say Trump’s got cognitive issues because he paused for 35 seconds? Come on, man. If we started diagnosing every politician based on awkward silences, half of Congress would be in a home by now

[@sieraclayton1503]

@@antimediaman9354 ?! David Pakman, and the entire planet, also noted that Trump confused Nicky Haley with Nancy Pelosi multiple times in one speech. Trump erroneously stated multiple times that he alleged "beat" President Obama in an election - something obviously that Never happened nor ever Would. And on and on. Trump's the scarier one where mental decline is concerned.

[@anybodycanart]

It was an unfair debate. 😁

[@jimothyj2638]

Not sure what these comments are talking about; I find will Cain to be a very good faith right winger, especially compared to his Fox News compatriots

[@rubenroman3229]

Great job David. Vote blue 🔵 and no to (project 2025 )

[@robertmiller2720]

These Fox wackos are so disingenuous, it's sickening.

[@brucesmith8486]

The IQ level difference was on full display. David is so far above Will in intelligence and education and that was made clear. Will judges everything on how he feels with nothing to prove it. David goes off data, experts, and evidence. The right intelligence level is so low it’s scary.

[@jmw611]

It really is LOL

[@normzehms3548]

...and ignorant. They've adopted an attitude of certainty. "Always right-ism" is another example of projection on the right...constantly harping on the idea that the intellectuals always think THEY are right. Who has evidence? Science? Doctors? Experts? ....NO! "I" do!

[@Syclone0044]

Disingenuousness and rank hypocrisy are prerequisites for the Republican Party.