Progressive Tierlist (Pre-Expansion Update) - RANKING ALL SPECS & CLASSES | The War Within

[@peettko]

I will maintain the tierlist shall there be more changes first here - > www.icy-veins.com/wow/mythic-beta-dps-tier-list . I EXPECT ONE MORE ROUND OF CHANGES BEFORE THE SEASON (probably between 10th-17th of September?)

[@asnifuashifj91274]

Petko: Fire mage at the bottom me looking at my fire mage main: you are now my bank

[@Pr0vidence555]

Cringe

[@hemslapped9721]

you are correct, flamestrike is complete dogshit

[@nikgrubo1041]

naaa, i kind of ejoy it

[@shortestwidereceiver]

1:01 right where it belongs

[@xpapakahn94]

how dare you. it deserves to be top

[@vaeell6532]

fire deserves dumpster tier

[@shortestwidereceiver]

@@xpapakahn94 top of the upside down trash can, they’ve had their time in the sun

[@diggy4058]

Fury and affliction will be my go to specs this expansion

[@ninjaturtlesoup2769]

Bad choices. Strong now but will get nerfed into oblivion like always. Pick something that’s strong all expansion

[@eggrollz5481]

​@@ninjaturtlesoup2769 I'm playing Arms.

[@peettko]

My alt will be Aff

[@adampexa2830]

@@ninjaturtlesoup2769 What is strong all expansion?

[@GreenHedgehog23]

@ninjaturtlesoup2769 that‘s a bad advice…. Most of us will never play in spheres like the best players where the last 0.1 % damage matters. So play what you want and what you have fun most. You can do high keys or mythic/hc raid with any class or specc.

[@vaeell6532]

New tier list every 12 hours lets goo

[@peettko]

Last one was done 7 days ago :(

[@vaeell6532]

@@peettko lol sry bro, my entire feed is tier lists. Keep doing your thing.

[@ch.kv.]

Really appreciate all the weekly tier updates!

[@feelrotv]

I confirm that you have put Demonology Warlock in the right place this time! Thanks for that, unfortunately there are still bugs to fix that could take it a little higher. One bug is very big Summon Charhound (Vilefiend) falls under the map of many of the Dungeons and loses a lot of dps, the worst is in The Dawnbreaker and NW

[@S3Ri0usOG]

Brand and Int buff nerfed :D

[@peettko]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/l33Cc6hnrsR2hLs

[@deusaiurs1669]

Prot is S tier for the biggest m+ keys with this 8 Dungeons. He will be dope 100%( if they nothing change).

[@Tyguy614]

People are ranking prot paladin wayyyy too low. I see a lot of the top m+ players saying prot paladin going to be good for high keys.

[@Mumohan_]

@@Tyguy614 WIll be once they fix the survivability Dudes nerfed tankyness inside of consecration, but forgot to buff it outside of it

[@vatopedinos8324]

Feral ftw!!!

[@benomanbayev4557]

these tierlist videos look like that never stopping and never ending show and you know that but keep watching anyways kekw

[@moonman62]

Momentum DH might legitimately be the one of the least enjoyable ways to play the game, I don't understand why Blizzard has seemingly been obsessed with it for the past few years. The glaive shit ain't much better either.

[@Tyguy614]

Rather see a build that you just keep trying to extend your meta form for the longest.

[@pr3287]

for me its the most enjoyable way to play the game

[@SmugCanadian]

With the nerfs to both Chaos Brand and Arcane Intellect I'm hoping we get more of a melee meta this expansion.

[@brandroidx]

In a melee/physical expansion, windwalker thrives !

[@fofolacosa123]

It won't, range is just superior, more so in Aug meta

[@ironsideeve2955]

What AI nerf?

[@deusaiurs1669]

About Rdruid and Rshaman. I play both since 2005 on EU. Sometimes more shaman, sometimes druid. Atm both are extremly close each other. I will main both but what i saw is. Druid have the better utility and better healing at myth+ but with so much more work and stress. Healing is always big knowledge as druid even much more then tank and dps together and most utility comes from cat. You can stun as druid every pac at least 4-6 times and i didnt even use vortex, Typhon, roar and singletarget vortex( forget the english name). For 99% playerbase i Agree to go for shaman because he is really really strong with so much lower effort and as druid you have to really love and bring the time and tears to learn the shit. If you do this pain, i guarantee druid is a safe spot for the really big keys. Edit: And about meta team your tierlist said already. Why i should bring a restoshaman? Bring a Elemental and resto Druid😉

[@TakeshySun]

Probably I will try main ele (I love it since vanila) and main alt will be Warloc (second vanila love) ;)

[@milano8929]

Finally a chance to play with my Elemantal shaman

[@driiifter]

I was gonna play FDK, but I realized at the last second that I don't want to play a melee in Delves.

[@dark9nine]

I most definitely agree

[@dark9nine]

For me Aug sucks it turned M+ dungeons into 4 player dungeons.

[@ironsideeve2955]

Yeah Aug should be the worst spec tbh

[@ticien1]

I think ur analysis on tanks might be from the wrong perspective tanks for m+ it depends on the damage profile so warrior and bear thrives on melee damage and such just didn’t hear you mention that cuz by ur analysis blood dk would always be on top since they can heal themselves? That’s never been the case

[@theinz89]

do you know if theres a big difference between the elementalist stormbringer build people have been playing and the stormstrike centered stormbringer build in m+?

[@Jim-og9oc]

In the resto shaman part, you mention it's the best for mid level keys but add we will probably see more presevokers, druids and even hpals for higher keys. So my question is whats the point of this tier list then? You mention in the video and i think we all agree you can do your weeklies = mid keys with any class/spec and honestly most wierd comps as long as you have a tank. I thought the tier list was an educated guess of what will be meta , assuming no changed every time. Back to my question. Whats the point of this tier list then?

[@ehrerehreh2764]

Is there anything on Raid performance? Loved the whole series, watched every video. THANKS!

[@HealEverything-w3g]

You explained whats Meta, but with everything changing, what do you think are safe choices?

[@S3Ri0usOG]

safe choice was, is and will always be blizzard's favorite child, Mage. Warlocks and Rogues can be kinda safe cause they have 3 dps specs and it's hard for all of them to be bad. If you are not doing anything above +14 you don't really care, anything works.

[@demiballs2396]

mage, mage, and mage

[@peettko]

No safe choices before the season starts. There is likely 1 more class change to go before Season 1 begins. If anything changes, I will let you know

[@demiballs2396]

@@HealEverything-w3g you can never go wrong with mage in world of magecraft

[@nbkw48]

Every pure DPS is safe. You have 3 specs, and one of them will always be balanced to be viable. Hybrids do not have this flexibility. Generally speaking of course.

[@Tihomir21]

Its Funy after i watched Dorkis list i got here Arcane Is Best Dps still Enhance is Top tier

[@CozyyGaming]

its funny how no tierlists matter

[@Javier-il1xi]

Tierlists are bs. Play whatever you want

[@teteno100]

I was hoping for atleast 1 hunter spec to be S tier but i guess not. Gonna pick hunter so atleast i can like what im playing tho

[@Doowie]

I hope people take these tier lists with a grain of salt, these are just his opinions are not really based on his true play experience. If you review streams and other data you will get a different table as to what is where. But as I've always said, play what you enjoy and not what is meta. Especially considering 99% of players will never be hitting those mythic+ levels, where a meta comp is required. Also I highly expect we'll see massive buffs/nerfs arriving before season 1 even starts.

[@Pr0vidence555]

A valiant effort. But some people just need to feel that they play the meta pick. And youtubers will gladly deliver list after list for those insecure players. The rest of us just plays what they enjoy. As we know you can hit keystonemaster with any class that you can play.

[@AndresRamirez-nk3lg]

thx i love you

[@MrAhuri]

and for rsham, the kick ofc! :)

[@user-gc8jt8zo7o]

enhance is already back to Top tier if you know what i m talking, ppl doing 5mil aoe average overall dps, but its just too hard to play, if you think assa rogue is hard, enhance is like triple that by playing by having 5-6 skill up pop up at same time and pick the priority

[@r.s.4682]

talking about good low key combs and pickign shadow? pls mate :D

[@Andre-zo9rp]

I'm between mage, lock and shaman...more tempted to play lock...I've been playing melee specs since bfa, first ranged try was hunter last season, now I've leveled a mage and lock...I know that mage is a more solid choice, because is blizz favorite, but since sl I remember at least one lock spec playing good in m+...not the top tier, but at least consistent...so, I'm still thinking about that lol

[@peettko]

I have decided to have a main alt aff lock this season. It's quite fun

[@gentle_singularity]

Lol people really think Frost DK won't be touched. Shit is going to get nuked.

[@potworzgo]

Frost always was merfed to the ground before lanuch. Maybe they spoted it and want it to shine 1 season? IDk to be honest but i got the same thought. Would be hard to balance him right now tho becouse they massivepy nerfed it in pvp

[@gentle_singularity]

@@potworzgo The main problem with Frost is literal auto attack damage being your top damage. It just makes no sense.

[@hashrosinking1608]

Mains Frost DK, Alt Mage

[@Tyzen7]

Veng DH is top tier now. Not at 80. Blood is

[@astoril5023]

Hey Petko, Are you taking tier sets into consideration?

[@peettko]

Yes, 4p included.

[@Calltrops77]

I’m guessing all these lists were made before the chaos brand and arcane intellect nerfs ?

[@peettko]

Video on this is coming in a few minutes (talking about the nerfs there)

[@Calltrops77]

@@peettko looking forward to it.

[@peettko]

@@Calltrops77 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l33Cc6hnrsR2hLs

[@bartoszwojcik3189]

Well imo RDruid ranking is hardcore copium here and inconsistency. You say that HPal is A tier because they have S tier utility and not so good HPS and you put it in A tier. Then you go to RDruid and say that they have Stier utility but not so good HPS and you put it in S tier. Not only that but also lack of haste and DF tier set is massive for them. And dmg on the cat tree doesn’t compensate for it. It’s not shadowlands anymore- healer dmg is much less valuable than it was before. So I would say you are extremely biased here

[@JorgeRodriguez-wr6hv]

"by no means, prot paladin is now a bad choice" *Tier list place: good choice

[@othmanalmesbah5257]

Petko how is ele in mass aoe is earthquake doing good/decent damage

[@peettko]

insane

[@mrgrimm25]

It's still gonna be caster meta even after the nerfs cause casters players are just better than smoothbrain melee players.

[@eggrollz5481]

K lol

[@nesciusplayground]

Melee players are generally better. Bad troll or what are you smoking?

[@wm1573]

Ironically casters are the smoothbrainers. You just stand behind and don't have to worry about mechanics lol

[@okCool51]

I cant believe they are not bringing back far striders and marked shot for MM. This is insane to me actually, MM plays so boring and clunky since they removed it and I never touched it again.

[@leighjamieson1856]

2nd best healer, druid? Tell me you don't heal, without telling me you don't heal. Hard disagree.

[@leighjamieson1856]

It's almost the worst, btw. So undertuned.. and you need haste to play resto.. early season you won't get enough imo.

[@peettko]

Remember your comment and come back to this video when the season starts.

[@leighjamieson1856]

@peettko See you in 3 weeks, Mr Petty.

[@peettko]

@@leighjamieson1856 All love

[@leighjamieson1856]

@peettko I'm probably wrong, but Resto druid was already struggling with healing checks before they nerfed all their main healing buttons again. Resto druid has been carried so hard by the tier set , which they will lose.Two of the 1 trick resto druids I follow have both said it's absolute dogshit. It has motw, but bear is best out of the 4 specs, and I don't think it's close (Moonkins maybe lying). Shaman with the new buff is in the meta %100, I would be shocked if it wasn't resto. Best utility, curse dispel, PCT, best interrupt, new raid buff and more.. on top of that, they can heal any situation with the buffs in their cds. Plus, some sugar on top - They give %20 health. I'd be very suprised if it isn't Pres or Shaman as the meta healer. Time will tell, have a great expansion launch 👍.

[@fenaxtv]

What is this? Fury warrior, BM and MM hunter so low? This is wrong, check logs man

[@ishvh2947]

battle shout is ap it most def does buff frost dk more after brand nerf. 1:11:10

[@peettko]

I think the main arguemnt people were saying is they do magical damage (mostly)

[@ishvh2947]

@@peettko i feel you just wanted to chime in because its a common misconception alot of people have. battle shout buffs all damage abilities for all STR/Agi classes whether they are magic or not.

[@joshualowe42]

Shouldn't blood dk bring a leech buff? Or regen?

[@peettko]

Currently it gives neither

[@daethmer7834]

What happened to Fire mage💀 I remember month ago everybody was busting about how good it is

[@dirtnap9641]

it is. no idea where this list got made

[@peettko]

It's god awful in m+, several nerfs in a row made then doggers

[@peettko]

​@@dirtnap9641it is actually quite bad in m+ , unsure how much you have played beta dungeons etc. the picture is not quite the same for raid tho, it is better there

[@Pr0vidence555]

@@peettko Feels like i am pumping with fire ngl.

[@xorphz]

Is MM hunter dogshit? I saw some MMs on the beta pulling over 2mil in +11 keys but I guess the issue is single target

[@PHX214]

Not a bad list except Outlaw is too high and Holy Priest and Arcane is too low.

[@peettko]

Appreciate the feedback

[@tordb]

ret paladin was just recently gutted. lol wat is this list?!

[@chriswells5983]

Gutted is a reach. The ST damage was nerfed but AoE toolkit was buffed. Had they made these AoE changes and left the ST side of things alone, it would actually be extremely balanced. It's still great in AoE situations for m+, but the ST suffers.

[@birdog23]

How does aug kill its add on a high necrotic wake?

[@S3Ri0usOG]

it doesn't xD Aug costs you 15 seconds because it has to die and get brezed

[@peettko]

you go dev before final boss

[@MugenkuroGokunoban]

ele shaman player puts ele to s tier. cool.

[@user-ws9di5kp9h]

Fury is just so boring tho

[@Darkmatter833]

And the “final” tier list 😂

[@dimz1980]

wasnt the last one the last 2 times? bruh

[@peettko]

no sir ,fake news. The last, lastest v2 of the last ones should come before Season 1 begins (IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES) if not. this is it

[@jako997]

elemental shaman being top tier is massive Cope lmao im sorry. Arcane, frost, Aff, unholy and frost DK from all the videos I've seen and watched on twitch, perform better then elemental.

[@Masmola1983]

Why BM Is so low?

[@peettko]

Lack of damage outside of CDs, ramp up damage play style (off major CDs)

[@Masmola1983]

@@peettko thx for your fast repply

[@brrian]

i think you underplay enhance a lot

[@peettko]

Yeah it is possible, time will tell, imo enhancements are still a good chocie

[@dirtnap9641]

Must be playing a different game.

[@CasperJuel-zv2tv]

Tank dh top tier again? hahah thats some sad stuff

[@Matthew-fn2lp]

One said prot warrior is top tier , others vengeance is terrible. This is why you shouldnt believe in tier list.

[@wm1573]

Tierlists can be alright. The problem is everyone is making them. Including KZbinrs who are 1500-2000 rated in m+.

[@Matthew-fn2lp]

@@wm1573 yeah , but if someone playing tank on high m+ content i will believe him, so iam waiting for naowh or anybody else. But you know after month will be tuning again before season and vdh will be worst tank and bw monk best 😂 , it is really difficult.

[@wm1573]

@@Matthew-fn2lp well yeah that's my point. The actual high end player tierlists can be pretty good. Dorki is pretty good too and he has a list out already. He played the beta a lot with all tanks in the 12-15+ area. But yeah S1 is still over a month away, so there's probably gonna be some tuning done

[@ruimiguel1976]

Final? 🤣

[@gregsimard9154]

buffret

[@tylerkraft2390]

lol ret rank

[@mausypwns98]

Balance is terrible because the defensives still sucks, the gameplay sucks, the single target is terrible. Its a combination of everything which makes it the worst! lol

[@hugofreitas6799]

I remenber wen switching to bear was cracked.

[@haxs6953]

But it will officially come out this week..lol

[@Thrall966]

It’s not that bad

[@hedonismbot3274]

​@@Thrall966 people will ALWAYS complain and happy people usually don't comment at all or at least much less i guess,

[@mausypwns98]

@@Thrall966 have you played it?

[@Zolpda]

First

[@Yelpadin]

I gotta say, this list is quite shite at some points.

[@peettko]

Where can i improve champ

[@nizze5461]

Frost, assa and ele top? u tripping

[@fofolacosa123]

Why not?

[@wm1573]

Bro what? They literally are all insane lol. Especially frost and assa

[@moreauclement9702]

@@wm1573 Number wise, assa is top. Gameplay wise, it's meh

[@wm1573]

@@moreauclement9702 well this is a numbers list