Was I Wrong about Phase???

[@We_Run_Up_Hills]

i think that the point of paying attention to phasing in the early stages of the bassline is that whatever proscessing that adds phase shift is intentional! i usually try to get my basslines clean in the beginning before add some character

[@pedroperobelli9542]

We are naturally biased towards some things, in this case, to what we can see and already have stuck in our minds. But lets not forget that in the beginning of psytrance (most music styles in fact), producers probably didn't care that much if at all to this. They probably did some processing and just noticed it sounded nice. Once the tools evolved and people started to analyze stuff with more precision and more frequently, was probably when this started to be important as it is today. in the end, the end goal is to sound good, not to sound technically perfect, the avarege listener wont even comprehend most of that perfection. If your track is well craffted, nicelly mixed and enjoyable, most people will like it.

[@aidennymes6335]

how i see it is that before resampling a bass, you can use mb processing or normal eq/filter to design the sound and color it to your liking. after further processing, render it and cut to 16th note and don't further mess with it. in mixing & mastering you can then use liniar phase in a minimal way to prevent post (and pre) ringing artefacts like you've shown. the trick is to get the soundwave as close to it's final shape as soon as possible to not disturb it further down the line by making changes through processing. it's also a consideration if k&b are being processed together ot individually and then "stiched" back together.

[@Projektor_music]

Yeah that's pretty much it. Although I am not a fan of having to resample I think it is definitely a benefit to do so!

[@captf]

I'd say that it should be that someone shouldn't try to teach a subject that they don't understand the parts they're trying to teach. They don't need to be an expert by any means, but if they don't understand why they're doing a specific step or action in a specific way, then that's when they need to ask "why am I trying to teach this?" And, at these points, I'd argue it's actually OK to give an honestly wrong explanation, as that at least presents the opportunity for correction. But a key part - and I think you're showing it - is that a good teacher can also highlight when they've found mistakes (or been corrected) in their previous lessons and provide updated and corrected information. They should be open to being told they're wrong and to learning why.

[@DaddaPsy]

Amen!

[@Projektor_music]

I fully agree with this!

[@penny2515]

Congrats bro... ive learned so much from you. I appreciate all the tips and knowledge sir

[@Projektor_music]

I appreciate that

[@Nuke_Skywalker]

i've seen that with the kick&bass from blastoyz' mandala as well iirc. it can change the sound for the better.

[@DaddaPsy]

It's all about the phase shift since it gives us the desired character we want. That's why we want to use multiband plugins such as Pro-MB, Saturn, Quadrafuzz, EQ Three, Multiband compressors without compression and so on. I took for granted everybody knew this by now? The thing is what people don't seem to grasp at first is that they aren't aware that phase shifts happen with pretty much every plugin that has multiband crossover points and if they don't know about it, then they don't know why they're bass is suddenly out of phase when they aligned it perfectly before they did the multiband processing. I usually set my alignment, then I apply my processing and then align it again if it shifts too much. When adjusting the alignment I prefer adjusting the kick rather than the bass since it has less of a drastic effect to my sound. If I happeen get the alignment 100% out of phase instead, I don't worry about that because then I just flip the phase on my kick and it's in phase again, problem solved.

[@Projektor_music]

Thanks for the clarification! I don't know where I got the idea I had about phase but the way I've been looking at it recently has improved my basses dramatically!

[@DaddaPsy]

@@Projektor_music We learn new stuff every day and it's cool of you to be humble and honest about it. I agree with your view on the whoile tutorial thing as well, people look at them from the wrong angle mostly. It's all about getting ideas and inspiration to improve ones own workflow imo. Regardless if person x does different than person y. It's up to the viewer to decide whether it's something they can use or not. As you said, each person is responsible for knowing their own tools.

[@Cosmick357]

Ciao Bello congratulazioni! See you there!

[@Projektor_music]

Thanks man!

[@PsylocibeChillZen]

Nice point of view Projektor!

[@Projektor_music]

Glad you think so!

[@urehlav]

I totally agree with your point Projektor. I have learnt a lot from many different individuals on youtube because of the amount of content out there now. I started with collective intelligence, before finding videos from klaada, dash, and recentely E clip. Arguably they may have all been misinformed about something they have spoken about, but if they didnt bother teaching what they did know I wouldnt have made any psytrance. The same would be said for many others. I have also almost finished Eclips masterclass and the bass is very good, specifically due to what you are talking about here, those artifacts from the multiband crossovers gives a nice character to the bass... makes it snappier (but that still is just a matter of taste). If we followed his advice there would be very little content, which is also not helpful. Keep it up

[@Projektor_music]

I agree with this completely! Thanks for understanding!

[@MrXav360]

Congrats on getting accepted in your desired University (and on your newly acquired baldness, looking good tbh!). Also congrats on making this video with humility and openness about other opinions. When I started making psy, I saw tips everywhere about avoiding post ringing, yet nobody really explained why / the concrete effect on the audible result. I am glad to see that, it's seems just to be about how you like or not the character of your KnB. It also makes it a lot more accessible to newcomers. That being said, I just wanted to add a correction about what you said about the impulse response. In an ideal context, with an impulse response that would look like a instantaneous jump from 0 to 1 then back to 1, the exact Fourier transform of that impulse (exact in the mathematical sense, like if you were to compute it analytically) is a straight line of amplitude 1 in the whole spectrum. So it's not because the Fourier transform algorithm in EQ8 is not precise enough / not because it does not have enough data that it shows that spectrum. It's actually the expected spectrum, with some small deviations (like the roll off at high frequencies) because the impulse is not perfect and the algorithm is also not perfect. I invite you to search for " the spectrum of dirac delta " (dirac delta is the name of the perfect impulse response I am talking about) to confirm :)

[@Projektor_music]

Thanks for the correction. I was under the impression that the spectrum of the impulse was only due to the digital nature of the environment, I.E. the algorithm used by EQ8. I figured this as in the analogue domain there is no such thing as an impulse in the sense of 1 sample 0, next sample 1, third sample 0 again. In analogue there are simply no samples as in the digital domain. Guess I was wrong here too! thanks

[@MrXav360]

@@Projektor_music No worries, you pretty much have to study maths, physics and electrical engineering to know that stuff haha. In the end, it doesn't change the fact that a filter adds post-ringing ^!

[@akshayshetty1680]

Congrats!! All the best.. :)

[@Projektor_music]

Thank you!! 😊

[@montezc.k.9074]

Congratulations

[@Projektor_music]

Thanks man!

[@Nuke_Skywalker]

congratulations!!

[@Projektor_music]

Thank you!!

[@youngkizzi9944]

Another insane video!

[@drdubs8934]

Congrats bro

[@Projektor_music]

yeah I can see that. Normal resampling and adding some fades also works. Once you add a new filter phase shifting will start to occur again...

[@drdubs8934]

@@Projektor_music which is in most cases not that bad as we thought. I mean after resampling it I still use mg low 18 on it. I still want to get more colour out of my bass obvislouy stay away from heavy multiband processing. But sometimes I cut it with equilbrium in minimum phase or even with Zero latency. But in those cases linear phase sounds way cleaner

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

i wanted to ask you about e-clip's video, and here you are already :) goin bold saves so much time imo :) you have to duplicate track , freeze & flatten to have a sample accurate Audio in Ableton the record method introduces some delay.

[@Projektor_music]

Depends on your setup. Directly recording from 1 audio track into the next should not give any problems unless you use specific plugins which mess with the Ableton plugin delay compensation (which sucks BTW)...

[@oleglarshin2618]

Congrats on your University entering!!! So how is e-clip course in general? Does it make sense to have for people who doesn't use cubase and don't have all those fancy plugins?

[@Projektor_music]

so far yes! if you are comfortable adapting what you see in the GUI to your own DAW/plugins!

[@Projektor_music]

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[@thiagohekkell]

nice

[@auroratranceaudio7465]

I also watches the eclip video where he was slapping multiband after multiband onto his basslines and really couldn't get my head around it. So thanks for this video you've really helped my understanding! Also just to note I completely agree that even non professionals should share their opinions and ways of producing. Others can point things out in the comments, share ideas, and helps producers learn. I often find that the pro producers like eclip are often quite inaccessible and assume the audience have a base knowledge of everything and don't explain things as well.

[@DaddaPsy]

Lots of producers have 0 clue on how to teach. They can be the best producer in the world but if the can't express that knowledge then it's useless for others. This is why teaching is such a valuable skill to have and why teachers in general, deserves sooo much more respect than they do today.