Critique Session 2 - Creature Concept

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In this critique session I redraw a creature concept design and talk about ways to improve on the drawing. Thank you John Willis for submitting your illustration for a critique. I will post the time lapse of this drawing in a few days :)
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[@skwidvishus1188]

Hi, I'm John F Willis, and I did the original drawing above. It is in fact a Warcraft Orc drawing titled, "Shaman on You". Everything that Stan said in this critique is absolutely, 100% true and I stand enlightened due to his spot on critique. I am both honored and privileged to have Stan critique my work. Thanks Stan!! -John

[@cssavage365]

Hi John, I know this was 4 years ago and I don't know if you still look at KZbin... But I thought your drawing was good and even tho he was correct about the drawing .. did you get any better?.. I play World of Warcraft and would like to see the improved one if you have one.

[@ProkoTV]

John did a fantastic job. Two things I think he did much better then me 1. The expression. His is more intense and angry, caused by wings of nose being lifted higher and inner brows coming down lower. 2. Including the secondary elements like the hand, sword, shoulders, brings him to life and tells a story. Nice job, John :)

[@AtenAkaAton1]

Regardless Joe Mad understands the fundamentals being taught in this video, which is why he can do what he does. The original drawing is full of mistakes, not purposeful exaggeration like what Joe Mad does. The whole point of this video is to teach, Proko isn't trying to simply outdo someone, he is trying to teach a specific skill, and if you read the top two comments you will see he has helped the original artist in this regard.

[@lisacoffman4167]

So many irrelevant comments on this video. Proko stated at the very beginning that he's not so creative at concepts. I also prefer the "feel" of the original drawing but that's beside the point. This is strictly a technical critique. It's clear that the original artist had a lot to improve on in his fundamentals. If you can't see the difference between deliberate deformation and a lack of skill, then you should learn more fundamentals yourself. It's not a choice between vision and technical correctness. It's best to have both, you know.

[@jaromirkalab1444]

MAN, BANG! Really great job Proko. I'm glad to see all your plans for future videos and also I love this personal critique focusing just on one subject but really in depth! It is great to see such effort! Keep doing this great job!! Thank you

[@Wakeupgrandowl]

The original artist has my disease, I am obsessed with rendering everything in high detail I often forget/miss my building blocks. Several hours later I realize there's nothing that can be done to fix it, for all the detail I've already put in, and it gets scraped. Just did that, actually :/

[@GCchanneled]

Thanks a lot for all the videos! Since I've been drawing for some time these critique videos is really what I needed to improve, since you are showing how I might critique my work!

[@AscendedMastery]

When I look at the original, the weakest part of it is the technical side. Why then, would I try to critique the strong points of the piece and ignore the parts it's failing at?

[@raindropsneverfall]

I absolutely love these critique videos! They are very helpful.

[@PGMT22]

Really digging the professionalism that comes through in these videos! It's refreshing to be honest

[@vyaramladenova1877]

sooo looking forward to the series ! thank you, you're awesome.

[@Siberwar]

man, I watched and re-watched you're videos, you're amazing, you do the best critiques, you do the best tutorial, especially that tutorial about how to draw hair, I already watched others tutorial videos and I never understood how to do a realistic good hair, but with your video I finally get it lo/, Thank you so much for share your wiseness lo/

[@savageagle]

Thank you one more time. I´m your fan! Can´t wait for the figure series!

[@GouacheArtist]

Great video. I will definitely share this and I look forward to your figure drawing series.

[@nunu7797]

"I can barely draw a stick figure but let me critique proko's style"

[@BrunoJA]

0:25-0:55 Brutal tease. Wonderful to hear you'll be using live models for this, by the way. Really going all out it seems. I'm sure you'll outdo yourself with this series. Much anticipation!

[@sebastianguimareyharo5294]

I can't wait for the human figure drawing series. Thanks alot for your videos : )

[@FoxSpookyMulder]

Thanks again Stan... these videos are fun and very helpful

[@Serphire]

Fantastic critique! I really learn a lot from your videos :)

[@rz3159]

some ppl say they like the original better but i actually cant get over the structure of the first one. Maybe some people are more critical of the technicalities than others but for me I could see the mistakes early on and that's all I could focus on

[@originalYTchannel]

these critiques are really useful

[@moon12349100]

youre really a great artist, and great human beeing respect !

[@tanisaguinsin]

Hey Proko, Stan? Mr. Prokopenko? .. anyhooo, just wanted to knw if you could do a tutorial for hands and feet like u did for the mouth, eyes and stuff. . .like if there are technical aspects that we need to be aware of~

[@teraterakhan]

Well, John obviously felt he needed help with his art, and I think your critique was awesome. I liked both the original and your drawing equally.

[@arvin.r]

Great video, really looking forward to the figure drawing series! maybe even a figure drawing DvD in the future?

[@deedraderemiens5957]

I kinda of enjoyed that the original had asymmetrical eyes; it adds to the concept of the character for me. There are things in proko's picture that are done very well of course. However, the original's expression and gaze is wonderful. In regards to the neck beard, I've sense some Orc references with it. Both are excellent pictures the original look like a lot of time, thought, and passion was put into it. Lovely video thank you for sharing.

[@ProkoTV]

yup! DVD is very likely.

[@TheIsidro007]

Damn.....i`ll be waiting!

[@anzatzi]

Stan, great idea to on a more advanced project. While I love the motion and flair of your revision, I disagree in part. I really like the student nose wrintkes, it is more tense and expressive. Student appears to going for an asymetrical "squint eye wide eye" effect. I think this could have been preserved/improved. Removing the hand is a clear compositional win.

[@LiDaMangaka]

Proko :0 I missed you!

[@rayanurxxx]

spectacular

[@kanachiaki]

Can't wait for anatomy and proportions, I struggle with those XD

[@serajstyle]

good luck, and thanks for this video

[@AlissonPS]

Thanks for the subtitles Proko, and sorry for my english!

[@Walter5850]

Hi, amazing videos, I really like that you're starting to do critiques :D So I was wondering if you do critiques of digital art too, or just pencils ? Or if not digital painting, maybe at least linework ? Thanks in advance, and ofc I'll definately share the video :D

[@sorathunderknight]

AWESOME:D It would be great if you could show proportions some more and how to get them, I always struggle with it. And it would be cool if you covered how to get inspired. Because I could defiantly use some for an art show that's coming up:)

[@MarkWhippy]

The expression is better on the original one. Yours is better technically, but the expression looks kinda like he's yawning

[@limoshk1]

learned alot from you!

[@SuperCd09]

great stuff :)

[@stillcreepingonyou]

Thank you

[@NJ-vk1dg]

Can you please make a video about how to find cheekbones in 3 quarter view portrait on early stage.

[@HotPocketEXE]

I love you Mr. Stankopanko.

[@kreion]

if you make the figure DVD, i think i'm gonna buy it!

[@Omskanielar]

Good vid, personally, I would've thought the original Ork was pretty amazing and drawn very well, but everything you explained and how to change and why seemed logical. Btw, the hair under the lower lip, I think, is supposed to be his (I guess, dunno if female Orks can have beards^^) beard ;) I like your, or should I say both of your versions, the unchanged one looked a bit like an oldish, a little more exhausted Ork warrior, while after the changes he's more like the 'normal', aggressive Ork^^

[@skulio]

Dear Stan, Can we also submit any environmental design works? I mean like the mountains, fantasy scapes, post apocaliptical factories etc.?

[@SCAREDBANANA]

Hurey for figure drawing!

[@tiandoesgaming]

Yes

[@WilhelmHellstern]

Thank you*****

[@suprikimaru6376]

I think they're both good. and john made alot of effort on his, and stan made his point on the wrinkles, shadow and teeth. but they have their own ways i guess.

[@FFZAdrin]

The orc/monster simply doesn't look as menacing as the original. Sorry Proko, the lighting and established plains of the face do make yours feel more real, but the energy and fierceness of the original character are superior

[@MultiHeheboy]

that's because of that hand.Hand or even hair makes difference.

[@svetlanamaura]

That´s beacause the lines are elegant.

[@valentinapastore]

I think it's actually the eyes' expression, the nose that got flattened and the jaws that went a little backwards, when the original actually draws the inferior jaw as far forwards as is anatomically possible

[@OfficialMarlow2000]

I found all the critiques coherent but, at the end of the day, I found the orignal more aggresive and conveying the emotion better

[@Lawliet1002]

sooooo when are you gonna do anatomy??? i could really use the help! by the way you videos are amazing :)))

[@mitzidel]

Is bounce light another name for reflected light? Also, I think I'm going to cry so badly once the anatomy video for the hands come out. ;______;, I learn so much from these videos!

[@ProkoTV]

Not at all! Bounce light is good. Just need to make sure to create variety. Not all planes will receive the same amount of bounce light. Also, different forms will have different edges in the core shadow and bounce light.

[@hgsupertramp]

Proko, how many studing hours a day is a good number? Ps: Like a lot your videos.

[@COLT_Chris]

I'm aware of Joe Mad's technique. What I meant by "not right" is the way he plays with the body, deforming it the way he does. Once more: Proko's drawing is technical. That's it. That doesn't stop anyone from enjoying the art more than the technique. Which was what I said. He can be the technical genius of drawing, but it will still be dead in the aspect of art by the end of the day.

[@wise.designs]

What is the name of the drawing

[@johndavid2800]

MR PROKO, DO YOU HAVE A WEB SITE . I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. PEACE!!!!!!!!!!

[@COLT_Chris]

That's exactly my point. When I said "original is way better", I was talking about the Art. That, independs on technical prowess. Take my fav Comics artist for an instance: Joa Madureira; his drawings are not "right", but that doesn't matter, as it's art. Not meant to be technical, such as drawing a chair, or a car's engine. Also, if his artisctic side would improve, why can't I feel it like I do with the original piece? Again, I'm not saying he's not good at it. Just the style isn't for him.

[@Reacted1991]

would like to see what the figure drawing series gose over would like to see you critique may goat drawing

[@TediI47]

tbh i don't really care that you don't upload videos very frequently as you said yourself, it's better to do it right. And you do.

[@maryangelaa]

i love you, proko. just sayin'

[@immortaliserwow]

That's an Warcraft orc. This is the most famous and wide-spreat you can get when talking about video games/fantasy in general. You need to give yourself a break and play some games, Proko . It will add to your character concepting skills too :P

[@COLT_Chris]

I know he isn't and I never said that. Perhaps if I'd said: "The art feel on the original is a lot better." It would've been better. Or not. I'm glad the original artist could learn the technical implications in his art and hope that when he draw another fantasy character, his art will have improved as well!

[@ppppp524]

Hey Proko. I'm from the future. You did the figure drawing series right.

[@black_platypus]

Also, odd natural number of teeth between the tusks might be a bit of an unnecessarily bold deviation from expected norms :)

[@black_platypus]

(Unnecessary because it doesn't add to a certain "feel" and is only noticeable when you look closer)

[@AtenAkaAton1]

You may like the style more, because Proko's is more "Dinsey-esche" but from a technical stance, Proko's is far superior. Had Proko made it more gritty style wise I'm pretty sure it would be a lot more obvious which one is superior.

[@earlh]

You are right, your version is more realistic but it is not as hideous as the other one. Actually I would dare to say it is not hideous at all, it looks like a strange beast and not an Orc which I think he was drawing in the picture. So I say I like the first version better.

[@AtenAkaAton1]

In this case I would say yes. This isn't about creating art so much as technique. Have you taken art classes at a college yet? I personally have found what is prettiest or coolest isn't usually the one that is 'right'. This is more about teaching how to do things right, not make pretty/cool art. Also when one has the techniques their art virtually always improves. I would want to see what it would look like now, done after his critique, I'm sure he would make an even better image.

[@mycollegeshirt]

yeah thats what i thought too, until he pointed out the teeth and then you cant unsee that, same with the nostrils, i think the original seems better because it has more details, and its pushed more, takes more liberties. to make it more interesting plus noone touches proko in working shadows

[@HentaiSweetie]

Wow your version looks like it has L'oreal hair. Also you gave him normal human eyes, it's suppose to be a creature. Still good though.

[@tiandoesgaming]

:D I agreed

[@AtenAkaAton1]

You can feel how you want, but that's not the point of this video. It's not about which picture you like better but which one is technically right. This is about learning how to do something, and it is that something they are learning how to do that should be the focus. See my prior statement again. PS Joe Mad's drawings are most definitely technically right

[@aemiaiko1826]

Well I like the second version more bc it feels like a real thing. And the original feels like copy from one of the blizzard orcs. I actually feel more life in Proko's drawing. Yeah the original is more angry but it's not what matters to me. I like ears on the original, but it's still kinda lacking.

[@COLT_Chris]

Alright, but my preference is for the art in itself. The art, the essence is way better on the original. Again, his technique is good, but is technique only (in this case) THAT important? =)

[@AtenAkaAton1]

That would be better. In the context of the video the original comment comes across as though the original is technically better.

[@alinebabypuncher]

dude your original one is 1000 times better than what he did.. you should be the one giving him advice

[@tailong9548]

Proko reminds me of Marshall. They are great tutors but have no vision. The original is far stronger than Stan's. Really, Stan applied his style to the character and explained why he made the choices he did. The original was quite intricate and well rendered. I love learning fundamentals and new ways of thinking critically from Stan and Marshall. However, I find their work exhausting and bland. Right now, across the internet and on forums, everyone is nitpicking people's fundamentals, their planes, forms, etc. But in all this analyzing, the soul of the work is being forgotten. Why is it that some of the strongest, most powerful work is distorted, blurred and breaks all the rules that folks like Stan and Marshall push. Granted, you need to learn the rules first before breaking them. But if you are going to draw all technical like this, you will end up teaching this stuff instead of living it.

[@olympe1996]

great advice, anyways I think that Proko is fucking talented

[@diegogb7389]

It is true, the soul of the drawing is very important and is closely linked to the style, but Proko has already said that the rules are to learn to break them: www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/04/style-fundamental -principles / Personally I like his style and although it is very conservative. Maybe you should see his works and paintings that are different from what is seen in the channel: www.stanprokopenko.com/portfolio.php

[@michelepaccione8806]

I don't think Stan was trying to do a better drawing...he was trying to point out flaws in the drawing's construction that would make the original stronger. So he drew examples of altering the wrinkles in the nose, improving the lighting on the teeth and fixing the construction of the mouth, etc. I didn't see it as "look how much better my drawing is" but rather "here are some areas you should think about reworking." I agree that the original is more exciting, but by paying attention to the flaws and reworking it, John could make it even stronger.

[@VeryZesty]

In your opinion.

[@COLT_Chris]

Perhaps proko should attain to other type of art then. He may have more techique on the side of sizes (proportions), but he can't capture the essence of the orc's fierce personality. Some arts are better with the feeling then with the technical aspect of it. Maybe he should draw cars or such.

[@anastasiabila9504]

It's too bad you didn't include the hair and the beard as they are essential parts of character design.

[@dani70026]

I'm sorry but you are wrong, there are a lot of fundamental mistakes in the original one, also the planes are much more visible on Stan's work. Another thing is the blurriness of the original, misplaced parts.

[@largehoman]

Gotta say I like the original more.

[@AtenAkaAton1]

He probably could but that isn't what the critique was about so he focused on what he thought was important.

[@AaronChy19]

Thumbs up for the neck beard

[@nTu4Ka]

R u trollin? Your version is good from artistic point but is bleak and unemotional. Without story. Also looks too humanly. Can you make more of these types of videos? They are really interesting to watch.

[@nTu4Ka]

iosubb Bwa-ha-ha. I can only assume how hard it was for you to try to draw "a monster". I really looks like a deformed human not a monster. Nevertheless it is really good from artistic point. :)

[@nTu4Ka]

iosubb Please make more of these!

[@Reacted1991]

i like the original better

[@COLT_Chris]

Original is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

[@tiandoesgaming]

The original is better