Prophet Joel Ogebe fires at Apostle Arome Osayi & Pastor EA Adeboye | Tithe Controversy

[@olarotimigbenga6212]

Arome is a one who believes so much on works, he thinks is what he does that brings the result, that's why he can say if you haven't paid tithe for 10yrs or pray for 10yrs then you don't know God. That's totally unscriptural 100%

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen and Amen

[@chioma_chinedu]

@olarotimigbenga6212 he touts fasting for million days, praying for millions days etc,don't know where he gets those info from.

[@piusadams8817]

Exactly my point, this is how you know how someone came to salvation through there dependance on works, Apostle Paul clearly stated that not by works that any man should burst ..... my question is what can you possible give God that he doesn't have already, and what are you going to be telling God for hours that he don't already know. I am not discouraging prayers, telling people you've prayed 7 hours is a form of pride in itself......

[@logykays2673]

All this pastor dont know God they are just reading their canal thought into the scriptures

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@logykays2673 Amen that's true

[@kumdesmondnyang6845]

Love apostle Arome with his consistency with the scriptures. Love prophet Joel because he is growing

[@FavourMichael-dh7io]

Wonderful comment

[@GamuchiraiShamba-se6zf]

Wisdom

[@jaytshianda]

Arôme osayi just tells story. Compare his teachings with the Bible you will be amazed. With him is just Jesus plus something

[@kumdesmondnyang6845]

@@jaytshianda we love the story ok,

[@jidesogunro3184]

grace doesn't absolve you from works grace is empowerment to do acceptable works

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@@jidesogunro3184 when you are under grace, works don't save you anymore

[@FavourMichael-dh7io]

​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial the Mercy of God saves by grace but we must play or own Parth in our working with God

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@@FavourMichael-dh7io Under grace, your part is irrelevant, that's why the bible says it is not of works lest any man should boast, any Christian who thinks it is their works that saves them or certifies them as Christians is still under the law and not under grace.

[@FavourMichael-dh7io]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial if it is not by works at all in the bible why did apostle Paul said in the area of flesh that he beat his body everyday? This is showing that we have a part to play and God also has a part to play in our life but anyone that boost in his own parts have lost what he is doing in his working with God

[@Bee-eh3gc]

​@ReubbieMC So in your opinion, because of grace, work is not needed? Not sure we read the same Bible or serve the same God. May God give us all wisdom to understand the Bible.

[@adamsbrown4305]

Hallelujah 🎉 so glad I’m about to give my tithe this Sunday 🥳❤️

[@SirTim_CHImKhalifa]

You unrepentant Tither like myself!😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@SoteriaFireMinistry]

Both spoke well, whichever is your conviction, serves you right

[@josephsambiane2923]

Apostle Arome Osaye is correct Joel is growing, he should humble himself

[@Wendy-rm4wv]

I hear you all, ive listened to the speakers. Here is what i think. 1. I think it was immature of joel to disagree with his mentor publicly. 2. The scripture does say test all things, the mistake we make it to think that our wisdom is of any weight to the test. You see when you do a urine test, the litmus strip will give different colours, you dont use your wisdom to think what each color means, you refer back to the provider of the litmus test. In short, you dont need to be convinced, you need to test the things not to convince you, but to find their weight and relavance against the word of God, it is results matched from the test against the word of God that will tell you if a matter is right or wrong, not your conviction

[@shalom4314]

You can’t judge what they are saying, if you listen closely you would understand that they are coming from different perspectives Apostle arome is coming from the perspective of sonship he considers tithing as a consecration this is his revelation of tithing prophet Joel talks from the perspective of love, tithing shouldn’t be something done because you see God as an investment for your returns but out of your love for God and his people this is his revelation of tithing The question here is do you personally have a revelation on what tithing is about ?

[@olajideajibowo6394]

You said it all

[@IyanuoluwaEzekiel-fx7os]

You talk am finish ❤

[@israeliseoluwa6704]

Honestly, you are correct! It's about perspectives: consecration/willingly honouring.

[@mishealugheghele1580]

Please believer if you don't want to live a poor and defeated Christian life in the area of your finances, simply follow God's principle, obey every of His giving principles, give to kingdom missions, as it becomes consistent and as it becomes a covenant, God then will judge you trustworthy not only by what your do, but your motive, to become a Steward of the resources of Heaven. Money in every kingdom is a trust. Satan will not bless you when he know you will go about using the money to promote Gods Kingdom evangelical missions, he will destroy you immediately. So God want to know if I bless you, how will you use these resources, will you promote the agenda of darkness or His agenda, and He gets to find out this by judging your faithfulness in the little You have. Apostle Arome is %100 correct, prophet was addressing the motive for why people give, too many people do giving to God as a bargain, whereas God wants us to serve Him from a heart of Love, it's possible to do the right thing but with a wrong hearth. 2 Chronicles 25:2 kjva And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, but not with a perfect heart.

[@buildersdefenders7662]

Truly the melchizedek tithing partly reflects the new testament approach to tithing and giving. Clearly neither Abraham nor Jacob had it as a requirement from Melchizedek. It is willingly and as they purposed in their hearts. Being people of the east they must have drawn from the prevailing practices of giving as inspiration. But it is clear that they did it cheerfully but not as mandated requirement or with grudge and expectation. Abraham gave as he was blessed with victory in the rescue of lot. Abraham had been blessed with wealth before the lot rescue project and we do not read about his tithes before now but his willing offerings to the point of Isaac's life, and giving meals to strangers. Jacob on the other hand, willingly pledged, not that God required that from him as token to lead him and bring back safely. He committed himself in promise to God that Jacob will not be ungrateful when God shall have blessed him with a safe return journey and blessed him with material things. In all these we see willingness of self and not institutional demand in the tithing process under the law and the prophets. The law of tithing by demand seem to operate under the levitical priesthood. Peter and the earlier Jewish apostles must needs have tithed to the priests by custom. But the Gentiles did not operate under the levitical priests and so will not be required by any custom to tithe. The apostles themselves not being levitical priests could not have received levitical tithes from the believers both Jews and Gentiles. That would have amounted to ursurpation of the levitical order punishable by the sanhedrin and the religious authorities. Priests not prophets, apostles, teachers etc receive tithes. If all the sons of God are priests in the new testament the high priest being Yeshua under the melchizedek order whom are we to tithe and retithe to the high priest, Jesus our LORD? We therefore give to support the apostles and prophets etc in free offerings as the apostles and the women practised towards Jesus Christ. We are part of Christ's body and all we are and have belongs to Him as He willingly gave Himself and all things to us. We are also to give our all and/or any proportions He drops in our spirit to give. If the believer is comfortable with 10% or 100% so let Him give. Remember Jesus telling the Pharisees they should tithe but focus more important matters of the law, justice and righteousness? He will however commend the woman who gave her 100% in offering. But the underlying issue is the cheerfulness, understanding of our consecration, and how God deals with us as His children. I am not sure however of the premise of practising from 10% and progressing through it in the scriptures. We are all learning. God grants us the grace to focus more on Christ. -BuildersDefenders

[@alexokoro7231]

God bless u for this

[@wealthymos]

First time I'm coming across your channel and I'm pissed. Do you people want to keep firing uomthe fighting in the body of Christ. The young man might disagree with his father in the LORD but he hasn't fired his Pastor in any way. And if you listened well to both teachings they both said something in different ways. You people stop expanding and putting fire on anything tgat looks like disagreement in the body. That's how you all did on Orokpo matter. Believe what you want in peace and stop looking for Alibi. I'm blocking out your channel effective immediately

[@chioma_chinedu]

@wealthymoa not every church gathering belongs to the Messiah, but only those who follow His scriptures strictly not those who cannot defend the gospel but pastor worshippers.

[@SarahAnang-e3w]

​@@chioma_chineduyour submission is not true. We're growing in knowledge and this is not right or wrong but purely differences in doctrinal issues ❤❤

[@chioma_chinedu]

May the Most High God keep strengthening you with His complete knowledge of His will, wisdom and understanding for all these undiluted teachings of the scriptures.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen and Amen

[@mishealugheghele1580]

when you give to God, you give to His course, to His work, it doesn't matter if it's a man receiving it, but you must be sure the man is going to use it for Gods work. If believers are still debating on giving tithe (giving to God and His works), then I wonder what kind of believers we are, and how do we expect our God to bless us, since money is a trust. There is no religion in the world that doesn't give to promote their agenda, why is it believers that tends to fight when it comes to giving to God. This is an attack on our prosperity, we must get this. I am a victim, a time ago I listened to. A message that said tithing is necessary, because of the weak human needy nature I said yes, and I stopped tithing, after a year I know something was wrong with my finances, I had to struggle to get going again. Anyone that encourages us to give to God, cares about our financial growth. Get this right.

[@israeliseoluwa6704]

i think both are right, as they have different but valid perspectives. In either of the ways, the purpose will be eventually served! There's no ground for open disagreement.

[@spiritandlifechannel3039]

This is not about who is right or wrong. I love both of them, but I believe Joel being the son of apostle Arome shouldn't have handled this matter like this. I think he could have tried to seek audience privately. I do not disagree totally with him though. Just the way he went about it in public. And for you sir, the tone of your speech makes it seem like you're trying to create a rift between them. You can take your position without trying to do so. There is a modest way of conveying your point to say you agree with apostle Joel. Don't make it seem as though are trying to point out that the son is more ...... than the father to aggravate one of them. And Joel will see this online now and say, " this is not how I meant to put it o." he should have known that bloggers exist

[@emmanuelchiedozie7268]

If you've not allocated 30mins for prayer everyday you may not pray at all, same if you've not allocated resources for the kingdom, you may never give to its furtherance. Now, priesthood over the years have given you a pattern, you say no If you say it's new testament consecration you want, you'll still be fulfilling the tithing principle quota invariably, knowingly or unknowingly, so what's the argument😂

[@emmanuelchiedozie7268]

Same thing if you say its new testament grace and love you want, you'll still be fulfilling the 10 commandments knowingly or unknowingly. The good thing about the new covenant is that there's more

[@akindayinigbengajohn7225]

May the gracious Lord of grace help us all in Jesus mighty name. We shall get there someday and sometime Keep the good work brother

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen, God bless you sir

[@StanleyOnohwosafe]

What the name of Jesus Christ can't do, no sacrifice can do it.

[@AlvinMakarios]

Please by the mercies of God stopp building contradictions....

[@jesuriemejesus-favourite7540]

Pst Joel knowledge is limited in this area . I bless God for the gift of Arome to mankind leave Joel to his point of view.

[@Karibojeremiahtv]

Prophet joels Statement as regards his spiritual father is not call for.He is still growing no worries.

[@TosanOmayone]

Joel Ogebe, you are doing well. Tithe will not take anyone to heaven or hell. However, I disagree with you on one thing. Tithe is not for self. Tithe is for meat in the store house which is not different from 'enabling the servants' giving food for the servants of God to eat. God saying I will bless you is an addition. Everything we do for or to God; obeying, serving, praising, giving whether tithe or offering attracts blessings from God to us. So don't make the blessings of tithe as if it is selfish. In fact, if tithe is for self, it will be very easy to do and will not be receiving contention. People love to satisfy self. Because it is for 'Pastors, servants of God, workers in the house of God', it is hard to do, that is why people are looking for escape route from it. Because God said pay tithe so that my servants can see food to eat, people don't pay. But give and it shall be given unto you...

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen, wonderful comment, God bless you beloved

[@kingsleynwogwugwu]

I support Pst Joel 100%. His on the right track!

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen

[@mishealugheghele1580]

Tithing is not what determines if you go to heaven or not, but it does something to your faith. It helps you depend on God, and it keeps you conscious on eternal home. Tithing is one way of laying treasures in heaven. Matthew 6:19-21 ISV “Stop storing up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal. But keep on storing up treasures for yourselves in heaven, where moths and rust do not destroy and where thieves do not break in and steal, because where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” There are different kinds of giving, tithe is different from first fruit, tithe is different from seed fruit, and so on. But let's not deceive ourselves, if we need God's hand in our financial prosperity, then we have to follow God's principle in the areas of financial increase.

[@ITHEIL-db4xj]

By grace we are saved through faith. Not of works least any man should boast. It is the gift of God. John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoevee believeth in him ahould not perish but have everlasting life. To them that believe he gave power to become sons of God. Tithing is not a requirement dor salvation. Our salvation is a gift. Based on our faith in God by Grace. If itis not of works, but a gift, Question is will you place tithing under grace or works? If u have placed it under works then you have answered the question already. WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE THRU FAITH Peace on Earth. AMEN

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

AMEN AND AMEN, preach brother

[@rolandkoryon3718]

Teach your Father how to mentor you, Sir! ✋

[@mercyomoti4885]

According to your arguments, a pastor should also tell you to pray if you wish to, Fast if you wish to and read your Bible if you wish to. If prayer, fasting and studying God's word honors God, shouldn't our resources honour him too? Stop twisting Apostle Arome's words. He never said that there will be a consequence from God if you don't tithe.

[@Maxdav32]

why do we find it diffcult to tithe? the problem is not tithe but how to use it. If you cant give your money how will u give ur life?

[@JJ_Uwa]

Prophet Joel is a very mature mind. It is a cultural thing ( problematic), to disagree with certain 'elders' in certain sections of Nigeria. Tithing according to some accounts was practiced in the east then even amongst so-called pagans.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

That's true

[@ezekielnwaikwu7905]

Abraham did not pay but gave tithe as a result of the invrease not for increase but as a result of love not a law. Jacob also vowed he will give tithe willingly when increase come not for increase but as a result of increase. And as Abraham seed we should do the works of Abraham not for selfish purpose but born out of love.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen and Amen

[@sumtendechaba9717]

That is because you do not contextualised canonically!

[@ritasanda7295]

From the scriptural reference given, there's no stipulations on how to pay tithes. Tithing in the Melchizedek priesthood is done based on the how you purpose in your heart. You decide when to give it

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

That's true, AMEN

[@jidesogunro3184]

@@ritasanda7295 lol don't forget tithe paying was never abolished so although jesus already bore the curses associated with it on our behalf , the blessings are still as valid as can be . In other words paying tithe attracts a lot of blessings when paid with the right state of heart so even though it's inconsequential in determining our going to heaven it's a very good practice mind you anyone who can't part with 10% in obedience to the scriptures will find it difficult to obey when the holyspirit leads him to part with 50%

[@Jinyebo]

When people cant hear the spirit of the Lord they argue almost every Christian Doctorine,Arome presented the Most balance insight in this regard.I pay tithe which i know is an Elementary covenant walk with God.Jesus received tithe till today Heb 7:8

[@logykays2673]

@Jinyebo you are as canal as this pastor, you dont know God, when you miss Jesus Christ you miss God. get born again and study your bible

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@logykays2673 Amen, fact 💯

[@kumdesmondnyang6845]

​@@logykays2673my brother I think you are the most canal here.

[@kumdesmondnyang6845]

​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficialgo sleep, trying to bring disagreement between people.

[@Danfundz]

In the old testament we give 10% but in the new testament we give our life to christ which includes our resources, in other words tithing should be a lifestyle and even more than 10%

[@drIbeleme]

I am not sure where you got the idea that people in the OT only give 10%. Please be advised or informed that the tithe was just one aspect of the giving in the OT. In the OT, giving included - tithes and various kinds of offerings and vows - Deut. 12:6-17. In fact God told the priest in the book of Malachi that they robbed Him, not only in tithes but in tithes and offerings - Mal. 3:8. Also note that the expression “free will giving” occurs 17 times in the KJV OT and not even once in the NT. There is also no scripture on giving in the NT that is not referenced in the OT eg 1 Cor. 16:1-2 is actually referencing Deut. 16:17.

[@chioma_chinedu]

Majority of them don't understand the difference between the old and new covenant in the scriptures. They cannot teach the scriptures line by line but teaching their thoughts.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

That's the bitter truth my sister

[@uyiharryking6759]

That's where "majority" of preachers have found themselves today, and has affected the pews so much so that their followers just swallow everything they say without checking the scripture for themselves. This "work, Work" they're preaching is what leads to SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS. This is Jesus' definition of works...👇 Then they asked Him, “What are we to do, so that we may habitually be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered, “This is the work of God: that you believe [adhere to, trust in, rely on, and have faith] in the One whom He has sent.” John 6:28-29 AMP.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen

[@richiecalculus224]

I agree with Joel 100% and what Arome said is not the right way God deals with us in the New Testament. In the New Testament contest of giving we are first stewards of everything God gives us, and then we disburse it selflessly as the Lord leads us by his Spirit.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen and Amen, that's right beloved

[@thearkofharmonymission5634]

Please read your Bible well and undertanď scriptures before you open your mouth

[@richiecalculus224]

@@thearkofharmonymission5634 lol who is this one, u know all the scriptures take it n continue paying tithe. Hahahaha

[@JAT47505]

Sir's, tithing is as you're led, this guy Aromi just dae bring nonsense, who told you that we must pray for 10 years before we see results, I heard he ran out of Nigeria claiming it's an assignment journey, oga go and sit down, Jesus have set the standard not you, Jesus never prayed for 10 years nor fast 10 years, una just dae confused the believers

[@richiecalculus224]

@@JAT47505 Man u don't need to make such a derogatory comment about him. Ask yourself how many of our so-called fathers will leave a thriving ministry like that and say that he is going to start ministry all over again in another country, u urself will u do that whether is in America or Europe? In that aspect pls let's not jump to conclusions, if it is God leading him it will show up with time

[@spiritandlifechannel3039]

Lets pray for our men of God. If you hear what they face. Hmmm. So that people dont take advantage of situations like this.

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

JESUS NEVER SAID HE IS ANYBODY'S SPIRITUAL FATHER BESIDES THE MOST HIGH HOD YEHOVAH THE FATHER OF ALL

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen and Amen, that's right 💯

[@DigitechVibez]

Spiritual fatherism is not out of context, you will see played out in the bible. Spiritual father simply means someone you received mentorship or spiritual guidance from

[@azpersonal]

@@DigitechVibezdon't mind them, as if Jesus didn't have disciples or Elijah and Elisha, or Moses & Aaron. In fact, these KZbin videos make me pray more for Christians because it's clear we need sound teachers and the spirit of understanding. Anyone can just start KZbin teaching nonsense and criticizing messages out of context

[@olarotimigbenga6212]

@@azpersonal so u havent com across that JESUS said we should call no man father upon the earth , for one is our father ...JESUS ( in the church).....so why did they get father nonsense from ?......thats the perversion satan brought...they go against the revelation of the word to satisfy their flesh

[@kumdesmondnyang6845]

My friend apostle Arome didn't say you must but extremely necessary to give to the house God. From the way you are trying to back yourself it shows that you are envious but envy will kill you. Arome will keep on growing.

[@chioma_chinedu]

You barely see Nigerian pastors teaching the scriptures in the church gathering. I pray they receive the meaning of church leadership and the responsibilities. James 3 warned how we shall be judged strictly as teachers.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen and Amen beloved sister, that's right

[@uyiharryking6759]

What is happening in the body of Christ now, is like the birth process of a woman in labor... Jesus Himself has propelled His church into His ordained purpose... that's where we are getting to soonest. May God help us all to BE SENSITIVE with what God is doing in the body of Christ in Nigeria. Jesus is CRUSHING the unseen medium of seige that Satan has been using against the church for decades, which is IGNORANCE, RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS, DECEPTION, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, MEN'S PHILOSOPHIES, DOCTRINES that is built on ignorance, WORKS OF SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS... For I testify about them that they have a certain enthusiasm for God, but not in accordance with [correct and vital] knowledge [about Him and His purposes]. For not knowing about God’s righteousness [which is based on faith], and seeking to establish their own [righteousness based on works], they did not submit to God’s righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law [it leads to Him and its purpose is fulfilled in Him], for [granting] righteousness to everyone who believes [in Him as Savior]. Romans 10:2-4 AMP See to it that no one carries you off as spoil or makes you yourselves captive by his so-called philosophy and intellectualism and vain deceit (idle fancies and plain nonsense), following human tradition (men's ideas of the material rather than the spiritual world), just crude notions following the rudimentary and elemental teachings of the universe and disregarding [the teachings of] Christ (the Messiah). Colossians 2:8 AMPC ...AND YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE...Selah!

[@Hillzokpala]

Madam what are you saying.go start your own and let's see you teach scriptures.

[@Rachealkay4jesus]

Let me first go pay tithe and watch where he prayed for 48 hours and then i will be back to comment

[@hills1282]

All pasture preaching tithing in this era is doing so in error. If tithing is so important, why didn't Christ and his apostles collect them? The temptation to keep collecting tithes is huge. So they come up with all manner of theology to justify it. For me, I stopped tithing, i rather give to the poor and continue to find the lifestyle of these chalartans.

[@spiritandlifechannel3039]

Now I think even if apostle Arome was suppose to adopt his view, he will only start preaching to his flocks, but he will have nothing to say to prophet Joel on this matter, since the matter is now on the table of bloggers. This, although not intended by Joel has given people who have always had an issue with apostle Arome a very strong ground to begin to shoot arrows. I however like the fact that Joel admits that he is still growing. But he should know better. I'm not saying he is wrong though. Let the gospel be true, let God be true.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Arome Osayi is a man, he can be wrong, only the bible is infallible, NO MAN IS.

[@spiritandlifechannel3039]

​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficialyes but a son shouldn't call attention of his father from the public space or bloggers table. The father will find out from bloggers. How do you think his father will respond having found out from your video calling him false because of what Joel did.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@@spiritandlifechannel3039 Arome is not false because of what Joel said, Arome is false because of the false doctrine he preaches, and for saying one has to pray for 10 years to know God, that has shown he's false, lying so boldly before God's people.

[@spiritandlifechannel3039]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial he is not lying, its takes time to know God and for God to fashion a man. but it may be difficult for babes to understand. That is why you must investigate the audience he was addressing. They may be ministers. That aside. Do you know God? If you say yes what are the proofs that you know God. What is that thing or that manifestation that you're so sure of that you can replicate over and over again as a result of your interface with God. Moses had his proofs [ so much I can't count Elijah had his proofs so much I can't count Samuel Had his proofs [ words never fell to the ground] Elisha same thing so much I can't count David had proofs. He slew lion bear goliath and enemy nation that rose up against Israel. Apostles had proofs (demonstration of the spirit and power) e.t.c My brother, knowing God is NOT BEING BORN AGAIN. that is entry level qualification that enables you participate in the kingdom. It took time for moses to be raised. All those time moses was shepherding flock, you think he was playing? God was teaching him how to be patient, meek and deal with mixed multitudes. You think David was in the Bush for 2 days? You think Joseph went through 13 years of seeming challenges to play? God was raising a specimen. The reason why it takes God time to raise his jewels and why its takes time before you can say you know God is because its difficult for man to conform to God's ways. God has to conquer the man before he can begin to biuld with the man. It takes time because God's ways are not our ways. If I continue typing I would not stop. 10yrs is mild. The challenge is that he shouldn't have put specific time to it. It could be 30yrs depending on the man. It could also be 5yrs. How willing is the man to yield to God's ways. Knowing God is not TALKING GOD. ITS EXPRESSING AND MANIFESTING GOD. APOSTLE AROME CAN CLEARLY SAY HE KNOWS GOD BECAUSE WE SEE CLEAR PROOFS OF HOLINESS AND MANIFESTATIONS. ITS NOT A LIGHT THING TO SAY " I KNOW GOD" it's deeper than we all think

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@spiritandlifechannel3039 and you think I'm jobless enough to read this magazine you published here? OYO lo wa.

[@danielsamuel7582]

You are talking about what you have no understanding, pray God will give you understanding.

[@mishealugheghele1580]

We need to wake up as believers and stop thinking giving to God and His works is you cheating yourself, your financial greatness depends on it. The people of the world know this very well. There is no great man who doesn't have a spiritual consecration that protects his wealth. In this area of wealth, it is not JUST GOD that gives riches, Satan gives too, both God and Satan want to advance their agenda on the earth. God can only give to you when He sees your faithfulness in the little being that you are using it to advance his course. Satan gives to his people also to advance his agenda in the earth, the most negative things are almost Free, but never be deceived, there is nothing free in life, if you are getting it free it's simply because someone else had paid for it, even our salvation, we receive it freely, but we know Jesus Christ pay for it.

[@joedonnie9478]

@ Reubby TV official. I humbly would suggest you listen to the content you've shared again and adjust your perspective. If you check the content you've shared.. The Apostle Gave two context. The old and new testament respectively. The old is a 10% tithe, the new however is CONSECRATION, which goes beyond every other thing. It actually your ALL WILLINGLY. AND THAT'S giving YOUR LIFE , SELF, FLESH and WILL to SERVE the WILL of GOD. THAT goes BEYOND MONEY. THIS IS DONE THROUGH LOVE. NO MAN CAN DO THAT WITHOUT LOVE. And The PROPHET EMPHASISE was on LOVE N WILLINGNESS. PLEASE CHECK YOUR CONTENT AGAIN. GOD BLESS YOU.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Thanks for your approach, but it was clear enough that Arome Osayi said tithing is a due that must be paid, comparing it to tax and nepa bill, that in itself is a false teaching, paying of tithe has nothing to do with consecration, the real consecration is living a holy life and obeying the word of God, the bible says obedience is better than sacrifice and to harken than the fat of ram.

[@Emmanuel.sam1]

Thank you brother,

[@marcelchinagorom9112]

Powerful

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen

[@Bobby-o7l]

Please the title of this background sounds

[@awodiprecious8153]

Oga where your church, I love your message make I become your church

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

🤣🤣🤣 me or Joel Ogebe?

[@WilfredKinoti]

I think his father started by saying malach 1and 2 is a principle of honour not making something for something

[@Revelationstold]

Just look at the difference in teachings on Israel from both Prophet Joel and Apostle Arome. This should tell you everything you need to know. I think if Arome is going to focus on the Old Testament then he should exercise some consistency when he preaches on Israel and the Jews.

[@Firmydope]

Bro this your background sound is distorting a lot

[@Remnant-listener-worldwide]

All of apostle Arome's point were right but he never said it's a must as well In other words its every individuals choice to obey or not.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

That's not true, you're just defending your idol, he was clear enough that's it's a DUE, a due is a necessity, and the bible says God doesn't love people who give out of necessity or because it's a due or requirement.

[@Remnant-listener-worldwide]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial drop the scripture Apostle is not my idol

[@Remnant-listener-worldwide]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial is your love for God a necessity? He said for the new testament believer tithing is part of ur consecration and only mature christians keep their consecration which is thesame for paying Tithe Tithing is a prove of Maturity in God, it is also another channel for his abundant blessing thank you

[@samuelebenebe2656]

​@@Remnant-listener-worldwide you are simply quoting Arome's teachings. I have watched AROME CALL TITHE AN ACCURSED THING. My money I earned legally, he called it an accursed thing & you want to defend him? Those statements are from his personal opinion: not the Bible.

[@kayodejohn847]

And besides if is your father and your brother that has different ideology on a matter is this the same way you will correct your father openly?

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS MY FATHER

[@kayodejohn847]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial Oh! now I can relate it take a "wise and intelligent son" to deny his father It's a privilege for me to chat with ghost Even Jesus had to have a human father figure sir

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@@kayodejohn847 Joseph was never the father of Jesus, JESUS was the father of Joseph and David. I can also relate that a carnal mind like yours cannot assimilate revelation

[@kayodejohn847]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial I'm not disputing the fact that there wolf in sheep's clothing but calling all men of God fake because of different ideology about certain matter shows how shallow your knowledge is sir with due respect. Remember! the best of a man is still a Man those that you called authentic today can make mistake tomorrow I just have to check your videos, honestly I concluded that wisdom have nothing to do with age Sir. Na wa for this your error finding ministry oooo

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Na waa for this your false prophets defence mechanism o

[@eugenemaafo6432]

I really get disturbed that the issue of tithe is actually a serious issue in the body of Christ.Why you may ask.Why should you giving 10%of your cash or income inflows to God be a problem.With all that is going on I think the argument should be 10% to God is too small.With all that He does this should not be an issue at all.Where are we going even to the point that some of us are entertaining the thought that God does not prosper but it's our work that prospers.We are in serious trouble.Hmmmmm

[@Zionwealth888]

Hmm bro the love of many shall wax cold… we are here now

[@isaacchinedu6577]

In the new testament tithing was not an issue at all that was why Jesus did not really dwell on the issue of tithe. In the new testament 10percent is a basic requirement for giving God. People in the days of Christ and the early apostles will be ashamed to see our generation having a mere misunderstanding about the concept of fasting

[@Jason67338]

Man, the purpose of this channel is clear, xD with the fake account you also used to write all the comments yourself. Keep it going man, sit there and watch him do more for God. ❤

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

😂😂😂😂😂 I also opened 14,000 fake accounts to subscribe to myself? Don't be a fool

[@Jason67338]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial your feedback reveals who you are.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@@Jason67338 you are not very smart, are you?

[@olarotimigbenga6212]

@@Jason67338 you are a man lover , learn to follow scriptures not men . Anyone who hallows a man view above the word of GOD in it's revelative state is one that hallows man than God.

[@slidemedia86]

Men are taking action like albuba speaking to the government about the present situation. Like Isaiah, Samuel telling the king what is right or wrong here we are talking about tithes.... Hmmm . It's written pay your tithe not forcing people to give

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen

[@jesuriemejesus-favourite7540]

Pease know that tithing is a law as long as it is sited in the Bible obedience to divine instruction is also a choice.with consequences to follow.

[@AdeoyeJohn-v7i]

Allow the holy spirit to give you interpretation of the bible, there is different between tithe and giving

[@mishealugheghele1580]

Tithing dose not determine our eternal salvation, Apostle Arome never said it dose, so he was addressing some other fake prophets, Christ dose, but as responsible citizens, we are being obligated to pay our tithe by the word of God, it's an important responsibility , but there are more important matters of the kingdom, so we are not supposed to build our faith only on that, but we must understand that there are blessing attached to every obedience, Please note, when it has to do with GOD SYSTEM of financial blesses and protection, it good to obey all He says we should do. it starts from this. Matt 23:23 BBE A curse is on you, scribes and Pharisees, false ones! for you make men give a tenth of all sorts of sweet-smelling plants, but you give no thought to the more important things of the law, righteousness, and mercy, and faith; but it is right for you to do these, and not to let the others be undone. Take note of "False ones!" Hebrew 7:6-7 BBE But this man, who was not of their family, took the tenth from Abraham, and gave a blessing to him to whom God had given his undertaking. But there is no doubt that the less gets his blessing from the greater. The least gets his blessings from the greater.. There are blessings that comes with Tithing, and if our fathers that spearheaded our faith did pay their title, it's wisdom to do the same. Trust the word of God., it's for our own good.

[@timilehinmachado4734]

In reality... this matter of tithing is a matter of wisdom. Remember Christ didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Arome osayi preaches consecration and explains the true nature of a life with Christ. What prophet Joel is saying is right too but however, you should strike a balance with these things as what prophet Joel is talking about is the enabling grace that we come to as we follow christ.. However, it is not done grudgingly but the very nature of tithing is livery crucial for consecration.. Philosophical and logical debates are a thing of the letters. Last last, if you are really born again l, you will give your all to God as you grow steadily in him. So this argument is completely irrelevant

[@Mulderscenter]

Believer be enlarged at heart, Matthew 23:23, Jesus didn't abolish tithing, rather point us, to must important things and also instruct us to pay tithes. Three things is our basic practices Matthew when you given, when you pray and when you fast. Apostle said honor, do you know that our service is done to honor God. Tithes is done to honor God.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

No one is abolishing tithing here, what we are kicking against is mandating tithing or calling it a due

[@Zionwealth888]

If there is sth u don’t agree with your father in the Lord… why don’t u just meet him n discuss the scriptures deeply before teaching it to your members? The lawlessness in the body of Christ is seriously getting ppl cold cos in my humble opinion, Prophet Joel can talk to his father privately for them to establish a concrete doctrine to be taught to us the followers.. may be a wrong though

[@jesuriemejesus-favourite7540]

Well no matter how the Pentecostal or charismatic view tithing you cannot change the word of God but think on this WILL A MAN ROB GOD! ( Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. ) we must be careful how we interpret the scriptures to suit our desires. and view because everyone will give account who you blessed or mislead.

[@chidimacjossy517]

I'm really worried about these men, majoring on minors with illusional knowledge of the subject matter. In the book of Malachi 3, God was rebuking the priests in the levetical order, its not a cage you suject a new creation to God is us too big for 10% argument of money being printed by men, He loves a cheerful giver. Imagine after all that Jesus went through for us just to collect 10% yet his mercies are new every morning. He gave me all things partaining to life and godliness and we are here debating naira that is not even recognized in the hall of currencies. Its either this god is very confused and doesn't know what he is doing or that his representatives dont have a true revelation of who he is

[@therabbitv676]

Stone is not wrong at all ...in matt.23:23 Jesus did not concelled Tithes Ogebe is right on his stand but wrong if he really mean that Jesus concel tithes.. Anyone that truly gave his life to Jesus can not have problems giving is tithes for the works of the kingdom.. simple

[@TriciaNkosha]

Pastor reubby did brother branham also preach that tithing is optional?

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Bro Branham preached that tithing is still valid in the new testament but he didn't say tithing is a MUST or that those who don't give that will go to hell, he only showed that tithing is still legal in the new testament, nowhere in any of his sermons did he mandate people to give to tithes, giving to God is not optional as you are insinuating, it is as a man purposes in his heart, that's what the bible says and that's what Branham preached.

[@TriciaNkosha]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial But according to the bible those who don't tithe are stealing from God, and you said bro branham validates tithing in new testament. Do you think thieves will be in heaven?

[@chioma_chinedu]

@TriciaNkosha the scripture itself recorded how it happened, Abraham vowed voluntarily. Tithe under the law of Moses was by obligation/compulsion. The prophecy of malachi was for the nation of Israel when the priests stopped using Tithe for the purpose. Let God's people devote to prayer and study of the scriptures for spiritual wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

[@chioma_chinedu]

@TriciaNkosha in the book of Hebrews, it talked about the new priesthood and the new covenant which is the Messiah.

[@iliyachristopher5695]

😢except your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisee you shall likewise perish. The Pharisee gave tithes of the minutest of their incomes.

[@ibeephraim6594]

Abraham, moved by his spirit gave all (100%) he got from that operations to liberate his cousin. He was blessed by Melchizedek before he gave. Jacob, also moved by his spirit gave 10% to redeem the vow he made.They did it voluntarily, not obeying any law but the law of the spirit. Every truly born again Christian has the spirit of God indwelling in him and should be encouraged to give according to the leading of the spirit. I don't subscribe to Brother Arome's view in this matter. God gave his all and we are expected to give our all. Full Stop!

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen and Amen, POWERFUL COMMENT.

[@chioma_chinedu]

@@ibeephraim6594 that's right.

[@newzlite1200]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficialbasically Arome is saying pay tithe until you become a Pastor Lol

[@sunny-xu6vz]

Amplified Bible He who oppresses the poor taunts and insults his Maker, But he who is kind and merciful and gracious to the needy honors Him. - Proverbs 14:31 To be Kind, merciful and generous to the poor is to Honour God! Deuteronomy 14:22-29 These portion of the bible is well avoided by all i know who preach Tithe. They Never quote it.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

That's true sir

[@mishealugheghele1580]

I think this is a call to believers all over the world. Tithing is the least form of show faith in God, and telling God you can trust me with great wealth, and I still will use your blessings to promote agenda's that will take souls out of the reach of the kingdom of darkness. We must stop this debate as believers, if ignorance was the challenge, I hope this clarify our ignorance. Heaven is a kingdom, just like the United Kingdom. you pay tax to the Government.. it's you giving honor to the government, of which they also use for your good, pay securities, public schools e.t.c. It's the same here, it's the same here, when you give tithe to God, you activate His protection. Bad Things that happen to others you find them not happening to you, you find out things don't spoil in your hands, you can use a phone for 10year without it developing a fault, you don't fall sick, your family members are healthy. Tithe activates this blessing. If you don't pay your tithe you steal from God, the same way if you don't pay your tax you steal from your government.

[@olufemia.roberts4093]

What this prophet said is akin to the stand Pst Sam Adeyemi's took when he was asked by tithing. He honours and respects Bishop Oyedepo who is an ardent believer in tithing, but maintains that tithing has gone with the old testament. When white garment christians practise old testament stuffs like slaughtering animals for redemption, we condemn them saying it is an old testament stuffs, but these preachers still use the same old testament to back up their claim that tithing is key. Whether tithing came before the law(old testament) or not, the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ has abolished the law. The first church which started with the first apostles, didn't collect tithe. What they collected was freewill offi

[@olufemia.roberts4093]

Freewill offering is what we are scripturally instructed to give

[@IreritemDavidOfere]

Joel is still growing, allow him to grow 😂😂 Nobody is arguing anything with you my dear brother, after all your motive is to create traffic on your channel and make money 😂 It's obvious even u the poster misunderstood Apostle Arome 😂😂 Apostle Arome is on the level of consistency and being responsible as a believer, or are you claiming that you did not hear the part that he says tithe is the list of all the requirements that God wants from us?😂 I understand him very clearly.❤❤ Try a prayer watch and bible study consistently for only 3 months (same time and same venue) and u will agree with me that Apostle Arome is far ahead of this generation in his teachings.😂😂😂

[@israeliseoluwa6704]

Personally, I've discovered that that man of God is far far gone than we imagine - I'm not trying to praise him but just sharing my observations after years of listening to his messages. When he started talking about tithe, I knew immediately I have to drop my opinion first and listen, coz he is not a "prosperity" preacher!

[@WilfredKinoti]

This is the joel that said the many mansions in the house of God they are those planets😂😂😂 I respect joel but the question is how long has he been preaching the gospel

[@AmaraSimon-qn5qh]

Did God ever asked those men to pay tithes?. They chose to pay because they decided to pay.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen and Amen, and they paid with joy, not under duress

[@raphaelatie7926]

@me too. I decided to pay my tithe on my own. nobody compelled me

[@danielarthur5004]

Sah your video title are you sure the Holy Spirit in your did not question your conscience when you wrote it. Why resort to the same method the world employs to attract audience. If indeed your conscience is clear then please....continue

[@josephodunuga7710]

Jesus said that he has not come to destroy the law or the prophets, but to fulfil both the law and the prophet (Matthew 5:17-18). So, is Malachi 3:6-12, not part of the prophets?. Tithing in Malachi 3 is a commandment and not a free will or sacrifice. The scripture says obedience is better than sacrifice. Both obedience and sacrifice attract different kind of blessings and reward from God. Both are biblical principles but one is more of a commandment than a mere principle. Jesus said that if you love me keep my commandment ( John 14:15,21). As spiritual Israelites, we are commanded to obey the law pertaining to tithing as written in Numbers 18:24, 26 and 28. To me the debate whether or not to give tithe should not have arisen at all. Everyone will be judged by the amount of lights that you are exposed to by your pastors and in the scripture. My fear is about the ministers of God who teach and preach the word of God to people. Jesus said in Matthew 5:19 what will be their reward if they teach or fail to teach and do the least of the commandments of God. I pray we shall loose our reward in heaven.

[@josephodunuga7710]

I pray we shall not loose our reward in heaven.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

You are a false preacher, stop preaching falsehood on my comment section.

[@johnjohn4497]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial I thought you're opened to people's opinions....... And I tell you, this person you're calling a false preacher is a sound preacher indeed. If you calls him a false preacher and asked him to leave your page, why is everyone claiming Abraham's blessings and you don't believe in tithe?

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@@johnjohn4497 I never said I don't believe in tithe, tithe is very legal and part of God's word, it's the mandating of tithing that I'm against, making it a law that a Christian MUST do, the bible is against that and I am against it.

[@johnjohn4497]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial if you believe in it then, you should know that it's the word of God and it must be adheres to in totality.

[@gideonwesi2474]

Joel is limited in knowledge in this matter. He must listen to that meesage Apostle Arome shared. Tithe is of the Melchizedek Priesthood and it predates the Malachi scripture where people were tithing for the storehouse.

[@IyamahJoshua-vr1qw]

😂 brother Joel is more correct than bro. Arome.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Amen

[@nicholasaboki295]

Who asked Abraham to pay tithes sir? Did Abraham pay tithes or he gave tithe to Melchizedek? You speak of honor, yet you didn’t teach it from the passage that clearly shows honor such as Abraham and Melchizedek instead , you went to Malachi which was primarily about supply for the priests who serve in the house of God… the tithe Abraham gave is not the same and in the same circumstances as compared to what Malachi is saying sir; such marrying of scriptures is totally immoral. The Jacob case you mentioned, who asked him to give/pay God his tithe? Is it wrong to give 10% of what you have to the church? No! Is it an act of payment for you as a New Testament believer, No! Do we have a responsibility towards our local assemblies to give our resources to it? Yes of course, a matured believer must have grown well to be responsible enough to give even entirely what they have not just 10% , as the case may be… does God depend on our giving to bless us? No!

[@kayodejohn847]

Brother Reuben Why do you have to go this length all because you want followers on your page Even Apst Joel did not paint Apst Arome as a bad person The gist is that the fact we are born of the same parent that doesn't mean we would have the same ideology on a matter Why taking the place of Jesus as a Judge You even cut part of Apst message to show us Have you forgotten that truth does not exist in a vacuum? At least he must have being speaking from a context. The two Apst involved are not enemy but you're making their follower's to see one as bad and one as good Remember till Jesus face we see all of us can not have the same ideology on all matters and we would keep learning and unlearning Apst Joel is correct and Apst Arome is also correct I love both of them They're talking of tithe you are bringing 1corin 😂 na wa for you oooooo

[@GODGLORY.EDOREVIVAL]

2 Corinthians 9 6-7 does not speak about tithe but it speaks about giving, given is difference from tithing, GOD have mercy on your children and give them understanding.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Tithing is taking abi? not giving? Is that was Joshua Selman taught you? People as dull as you are should not even quote scriptures talk less of try to explain it.

[@GODGLORY.EDOREVIVAL]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial do not miss quote me, am only saying that the Bible book of 2 Corinthians 9 6-7 is talking about giving, Sir am not here to preach, am just saying that the 2 Corinthians you posted is not talking about tithe is all about giving, tithe is difference from giving, giving come at of self will, but in tithing God call all thief. Go and read your Bible very well.❤️🙏

[@Innocent-d4y]

Mr. poster you're not very careful in your assertion on things such as this. You think you're learned and then that you have what it takes to discredit what is being communicated by ministers of God. You sound like someone who is also against spiritual fatherhood in terms of being nurtured and trained in the ways of the Lord. You mentioned something about Jesus rebuking the pharisees about tithing... which is very wrong according to Matt 23:23. which in your haughtiness of spirit your eyes couldn't capture. I'll post this scripture in 2 translations (NLT and NKJV) Matt.23.23 - "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. Matt.23.23 - "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, but you ignore the important things of the law--justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things. Reread this scripture with an open mind and I'm sure you'll find something contrary to your belief

[@adejesuademola7875]

Arome is backfiring hahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂 this fight among pastors can never end till Jesus come.hmmmmm

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@judahokonkwo3866]

Just look at your caption. Did he "fire" at them?

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Joel Ogebe spoke against preachers preaching that non-tithers will go to hell, who first preached that? Is it not Adeboye? Do you think Joel Ogebe does not know? And even if he didn't mention Arome Osayi's name, by saying "father in the Lord", don't you already know who he meant? Must you be slow to think fast?

[@judahokonkwo3866]

I highlighted the word "fire" not Apst Arome or Adeboye's name. I know clearly who he was referring to, but my qualm was the word fire that you used. Anyway, I know it's to get more views​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial

[@chioma_chinedu]

Arome's spiritual pride won't even let him learn the truth.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

That's true and pride goes before a fall

[@ikennaezeibe6467]

Humble people...how much have learned?

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

@@ikennaezeibe6467 more than a million of proud men like you can learn, only humble people learn, proud men boast in ignorance

[@sam-r8m8w]

The comment I was looking for. God bless you. And God help us to keep staying humble​@@ikennaezeibe6467

[@sentonedominion]

You are abviously a satanist..you set up this channel with the intention of castigating Apostle Arome and also clashing both of them together.. You are a wolf. Your mission is to scatter God's sheep and even right now GOD HAS JUDGED YOU cos your MOTIVE is already corrupted. I blame those that are subscribing to your channel..This your evil will not prosper further!! Just watch out...​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial

[@IyanuoluwaEzekiel-fx7os]

The way this guy made is like he is trying to create rift between both of them.repent bro and stop allowing the devil to use you to sow the seed of discord. Selah!!!!

[@inspirationsola2417]

well, I want to believe that new testament begins after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. All this tithe tithe tithe doesn't make much sense. If you guys preach the goodness of God, people will give even more than tithe. Due! that's funny.

[@josephodunuga7710]

Jesus explained the concept of tithing in Mathew 23:23.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

The Matthew 23:23 that you quoted, Jesus referred to tithing as a light matter, referring to judgment and mercy as the weightier matter, if tithing was a mandatory commandment like you taught, Jesus would have listed it as a weightier matter too, but it isn't weightier because it isn't mandatory, it mustn't come first and it's not a major doctrine, whatever false doctrine you have received about tithing, keep the virus to yourself and don't let it spread, at least not on my channel please.

[@nankanglesley9529]

​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial But Arome said "tithing"is the least in the matter of concercration . Such teachings are for people who desire more reward in heaven . Jesus actually taught "selling all"and buying the kingdom . You are just causing division in the body with this video . May God help his church !

[@raheemtaofeek4637]

Please stop saying Abraham paid tithe, at least quote what the Bible narrates PLEASE! ABRAM GAVE A TENTH. PLEEEAAAASEE! Beware of the warning! Do not add or subtract to or from the narrative.

[@raphealadeshina3741]

The bible said that Abraham gave him tithe of all(Genesis 14:20

[@raheemtaofeek4637]

KJV right…ok. At least we both agree that he ‘gave’ not ‘pay’

[@AmaraSimon-qn5qh]

Pikin come better pass papa own. Abeg run away from arome o

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kamamichael]

​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial you are just trying to cause more confusion between apostle arome and prophet Joel, if I may ask you @reubbie MC did your JESUS CHRIST condemn tithing?

[@solutiontv101]

You don't really understand everything. The teaching is that there are several types of giving. Tithe, offerings, first fruits, vows, partnerships, pastor's birthdays, etc. The list is endless. For me I think these are duplicated giving and it's done by most pastors on purpose. To enrich themselves and suck their members dry. Most people run away from church today due to these.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

That's not what he meant, a due is not a type of giving, nepa bill, water bill, waste bill are not optional, they are necessary, and tithe is not necessary, tithe is voluntary, that's how God made it, and man must preach it that way and not otherwise

[@iliyachristopher5695]

​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficialGive unto God what is due him and unto ceaser what is his. You cannot honour God if you don't love him. Remember some brought sick animals and it was rejected. Is not just about bringing anything. It is about bringing the best in reverence to God.

[@Stephan-k5g]

So it has started🤔🤔Sons...Respect your Fathers in the LORD...Fellow Remnant..Go Rebuke your Father in the LORD in Secret not openly😒😒..it will create controversies..The Student will never be above his master but he who strives for mastery will be equal to his master said Jesus ..This issue should be taken offline before it results to Spiritual skirmishes

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

We all have only one master, His name is THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

We all have only one master, His name is THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

[@zirajoshua4203]

Arome is claiming as if he knows all. To me he is someone who feels he knows so much that his understanding is finality

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

When a man gets to that level, he begins to drop spiritually

[@Hillzokpala]

​​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficialoga where do you stand.what really is the essence of this your post abi clip

[@segunakinbade3313]

Prophet Joe is following Abel Damina secretly, even if he is a son to arome.

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

GOD YEHOVAH THE MOST HIGH COMMANDED TITHE TO BE RECEIVED BY THE LEVINTICAL PRIESTS, TITHING TO THE MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD WHERE PERSONAL DECISION BY ABRAHAM AND VOW BY JACOB THOUGH NO DETAIL OF GODS LAW GUIDING THE PRACTICE IS NOT IN THE TESTIMONY AS THAT OF THE CHARGE, COMMANDMENTS AND LAW THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED Genesis 26:5 ASV because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. King David did not collect tithe even thou he was a kingly priest and prophet because in Israel tithe was commanded to be received by the livintical priests and David is not a livite and hence not a livintical priests Jesus the son of Joseph did not collect tithe because he is not a livintical priest. THE PRIESTHOOD IN GOD YEHOVAH THE PEOPLE OF GOD YEHOVAH ARE EXPECTED BY GOD YEHOVAH TO BE PRIESTS Every individual (personal self priesthood. Shepherds/pastor (shepherdic priesthood/pastoral priesthood) Fathers (Fatherly priesthood/ parental priesthood ) Elders (Elderly priesthood) Princes (princely priesthood) Judges (Judicial priesthood) Prophets (prophetic priesthood) Priests (congregational priesthood, livintical priesthood, anointed. priesthood)

[@segunakinbade3313]

Apostle Arome is more correct.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Wrong

[@Remnant-listener-worldwide]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial not everyone must agree with you stick to ur own conviction

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Because you don't agree with me does not mean you are correct

[@idowubello8300]

Arome Osayi teacher a lot of heresies and he has unforgiving spirit. Joel Ogebe teaches the Scriptures but he doesn't stand on the totality of the Scriptures. The duo believe grace can allow a woman to put on trousers and not covering their head while in the congregation. If grace cover those ones , grace should also cover not giving to God . Because God is Spirit he doesn't spend money nor does he eats

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

I agree with most parts of your statement, they do not practice holiness, I wonder what they mean by consecration when their women are looking like that.

[@nankanglesley9529]

​@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial What is holiness sir ? Outward appearance? No! It's the inner man of a gentle and quiet Spirit .It starts from inside out. Most people cover head etc but their hearts are bad . And the bible doesn't say we must cover our head .

[@mondayomede6680]

YOUR HEADING IS SERIOUS MISLEADING.

[@Saved.by.Jesus.]

the devil quoted the bible oooo. please follow Jesus. Abraham was faithful to God and God blessed him. I will tithe. you cannot tell me to not tithe. Hell is real and i have to do my part to support the kingdom of God. If you are not tithing, the devil is hoping to control fully one day. your first job is in the kingdom of God. the spirit that tells you not to tithe is not of God.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Nobody is telling you not to tithe, what we are saying is that tithing is not MANDATORY or by compulsion, whatever is giving to God in the new testament must not be given as a duty but with joy.

[@Saved.by.Jesus.]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial I will not obey the spirit that tells me not to tight. you either the obey the spirit of the devil and or the spirit of God. I choose the spirit of God. It is a discipline to tithe for it part of working our salvation. Hell is real. workout your salvation with fear and trembling. every discipling is to make you grow in the faith. This is not a joke. encourage people to in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[@Saved.by.Jesus.]

@@PastorReubenMicahOfficial I will tithe. it is MANDATORY FOR ME. VERY MANDATOY FOR ME. EVERYING IS TO KEEP ME IN THE FAITH. IT START FROM AS LITTLE AS TITHING. THE DEVIL IS WICKED. DEMONS ARE WICKED. WITICHES ARE WICKED. I WILL PRAY 1-3HR EVERY DAY AND I WILL READ MY BIBLE AND I WILL TITHE.

[@mishealugheghele1580]

I see so much ignorance here. Let's pray for God to give us understanding. Apostle Arome is 100% correct to start with, the prophet is not wrong either, Apostle never said tithing determines our eternal salvation, Christ does, so the prophet was addressing false prophet in that. As believers we must understand Working with God is a faith walk, and the lest form of showing faith in God is by Tithing. Faithfulness in the little is what allows God to trust you with His resources, called true riches. Scripture said Luk 16:10-11 ISV 10 Whoever is faithful with very little is also faithful with a lot, and whoever is dishonest with very little is also dishonest with a lot. So if you haven’t been faithful with unrighteous wealth, who will trust you with true wealth? If you are going to prosper in God's way, you have to follow God's financial principles, even as we seek His kingdom and His righteousness.

[@PastorReubenMicahOfficial]

Must it be wealth that you will be faithful in? Why can't be faithful in evangelism, or in helping the poor? Why can't you be faithful in prayer? Why has money blinded you this way? You need deliverance, sincerely.