Proposed Balance Changes: Super-Rare Plants & Zombies [PVZ Heroes]

Decided to combine both Plants and Zombies for this one, so here it is.
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[@Sageknot]

ok i have an idea for deep sea garg but i think its way too insane: When played: turn a ground lane into a water lane, destroy all non-amphibious plants and zombies there this would be a good removal card that also prevents them from doing anything in that lane, while you can run a full amphibious deck to take advantage of it and sidestep the downside of destroying your own minions. other than that i kinda dont know what deep sea garg could do

[@youshouldaddzombottothisdeck]

Honestly sounds really cool, although maybe the created water lane would have to be temporary, because otherwise with 4 of them you would instantly defeat your opponent as long as they have no amphibious minions.

[@Sageknot]

@@youshouldaddzombottothisdeck well, it wouldnt be able to cover heights, and it's also a 6 drop minion, so unless you're fighting troller flare or something you likely wouldnt be able to make more than 1 or 2 if you're lucky

[@Sageknot]

also to limit it further maybe only have its ability when played in the water lane so that you can't just front the thing you destroy and also to limit ability usage since if your opponent doesnt kill the deep sea garg you wouldnt be able to make more than one

[@cheemsdrip7478]

i think it should be an evolution since it removes alot

[@fredthewreckyt]

wake up, honey! new You should add zombot to this deck guy video!

[@kizaru7949]

Deep sea garg: amphibious 6 cost 6/3 untrickable When played: all gargs in your hand get untrickable Garg meta?

[@Mathias-xm5tg]

Untrickable is not a beatly class abilitie.

[@kizaru7949]

@Mathias-xm5tg yeah i changed my opinion long a go

[@Liquidity624]

I honestly disagree with Disconaut have Zombies with 3 strength or less have bullseye. This card was so op with Flamenco Zombie and you could even win the game by turn 5 if you did enough damage. I suggest making it 2/2 if not even a 1/3 but that’s just my opinion. I agree with the rest and Great video can’t wait to see the Legendaries.

[@mateuszpaszkiewicz3831]

2:38 My idea would be "All Gargantuars have Amphibious".

[@BussinesMonkey]

Thanks to this video I noticed that some super-rares are the same price to recycle and to create I thought that this thing only applied to valk and rose but thanks now I have +1000 sparks

[@youshouldaddzombottothisdeck]

no problem mate

[@snufflepuspenguins1234]

My feedback : I feel that Juggernut shouldn't be changed, but rather Galactacactus and Tricarrotops. I would make Galacta a 1-cost 1/3 with the same effect and Tricarrotops either a 2-cost 2/2 or 3-cost 1/4. I think the Marine Bean change is fine, given the current state of amphibious synergy (being minimal) Strawberrian could be half-nerfed, make it a 3/3 with it's current effect, or revert it's effect as a 2/3. Berries might be too strong again if reverted back to pre-balance. Sergeant Stawberry, if it turned out to be really broken as a 4/4 would be fine as a 3/4. Pod-Fighter is in a very tough spot to balance, it is slowly seeing some competitive play. Perhaps making it immediately do bonus attacks for each teamup plant might be better. Red Plant-It could just be a Zombie Area 22, such as 3-cost Plants here get +2/+2. They also get doublestrike this turn. Bean Counter could either add a Magic Beanstalk or two Lima-Pleuradons. Also, buff it's health to 2/3 or 2/4 then you could give +1 strength for each Bean played. Sow Magic Beans - I would personally make it 3-cost, place a Magic Beanstalk directly on top of the deck. Sunflower Seed provides too much as an aggro tool if reverted, my pick is 4-cost 3/1, when destroyed : Create a Primal Sunflower here. Chomper change is great. Make Deep Sea Garg a 5-cost 6/6 : When destroyed, create a Fishy Imp here. It would also be able to be thrown by Garg throwing Imp. Yeti would be good as a 2-cost 1/3 provided Lunchbox drew a card itself. My pick for Portal Technician could probably be like Trapper Zombie and create a Teleportation Station environment when revealed. Disconaut is quite decent, I think it needed the nerf because it provided a lot of powerful combos. Maybe 2-cost 1/4 with the current effect. I think Coffee Zombie should like heal your Hero for each Zombie on the field as a 3-cost card. Hearty needs more heal effective cards. Ducky Tube could be a 1-cost 1/3 but it only buffs it's attack by +1 so it can survive early on but doesn't snowball out of control. Tomb-Raiser could create random Zombies from your deck that cost a certain amount. If that's too hard to code, I'd give it some gravestone synergy like giving Zombies strikethrough when they are revealed or gaining an In-Crypt etc.

[@los-lobos]

Plants area 22 is too op, should be +2 attack only and double strike

[@tempinveir6234]

obligatory joke here about the hit game PVZ Heroes made in 2016 by Electronic Arts Jugger-Nut: (i thought you could bold things on this well s) Doesn't really need a buff. Sure it is outclassed, but if you want to make it viable you can (and don't shoot me) change its rarity to a Rare. ik Rarity changes were not good but thats the best way to buff this card if you want to. Marine Bean: Honestly why is this card Guardian there are more beans AND amphibious minions in Smarty. In Guardian you really can't use it unless your Beta-Carrotina or Citron, because they are smarty. what are you running this with water chestnut. If they make this card a smarty card it might actually find use in other decks actually working with other classes. Strawberrian: Yeah the two health kinda sucks. Give him three. Sergant Strongberry: no. The card is hard to use but dear god when used right its used right. There isn't really another card like it on the plant side so yeah Pod Fighter: isn't bad but making it a 4-cost would be nice. Red Plant-It: Onlt good if you get it from Strach Lord you should not run this. Making it four cost would at least make it viable. Bean Counter: youtube user InsertFunnyThingHere came up with an idea I'm going to steal make the Weenie Beanies cost 0 that be fun thats a 4/4 and a Navy Bean doing six damage in one turn at best so yeah, viable Sow Magic Beans: Please draw a card. Sunflower Seed: yeah 3/1 can't argue Chomper: Needs the buff, honestly you could get away with making it a 2/4 with the same ability and it'll be fine but a 3/3 is better. Deep Sea Gargantuar: Honestly insane stats unfortunately removal exists. Maybe make it a gravestone that moves to the water lane when revealed? Is that too niche? I feel like getting one turn seven damage is enough. Though grave removal would wreck shop. Yeti: Would be great as a 2/2 Portal Technician: Dude cool dude I prayed once and got our lord and saviour Zombot from him when I most needed him (opponent cornupica'ed) but making it more likely for that to happen is good. I could even go as far and saying only four drops or more but that might be too good. Disco Naut: is good with jester atleast Yeha make it 3 or less so it works in dancing decks Coffee Zombie: Coffee grounds gives double strike so- yeah nah. (this man is drinking bean juice thats one tactic) Double strike would be funny but frenzy is better. Making it a five cost would still have it outclassed but still good. But at the moment it can only live that dream if conjured by a cheese cutter Ducky Tube Zombie: Bonus Duck. I'm being serious. Make it make another Ducky Tube Zombie in another lane when played. Tomb Raiser: I actually think that buff idea nerfs him. The two cost gravestones actually can only be really useful from Tomb Raise in particular since of the mind games. Like nearly all 2 costers besides Drone Enigneer and maybe Swashbuckler can be good. And now onto the part where I complan about things you didn't miss but things I think is bad anyways: Gravitree: Is bad. Give it armoured two dammit Kabloom finally gets a W Party Thyme: Is bad.I do not know how you would buff it but you could make it get +1 for each bonus attack as well. It'll be slightly better. Potted Powerhouse: IS bad, give it five health. keep the three attack, but make it five health. Laser Cattail: Not even that bad just giev it an ability where When played: If there is a plant here, this gets +1/+1 Laser Bean: Is bad. Honestly this card needs to be cheaper, but also have different stats. Make it a 4/6v5 cost-er, so it is like Power Flower and Astrocado. after so many Ls the Beastly Class takes a W truly insprining, never give up on you dream of grow large, Frenzy and will destroy the enemy Duckstacte: Is bad. Make it a 3/3 please. Electrician: Is bad. Make it a 2/3 at least. I can't think of anything else so yeah Zombie's Best Friend: Is bad. I really don't see why it can't make two-cost cards. Like if egg can like Dog. And that would be it for Crazy but unfortunately it is too good to be. QUICKDRAW CONMAN: IS GOOD, VERY GOOD. Since Set 3 released he has murdered several plant heroes who just wanted to draw a card, and he is very efficent at it. Now, hes good, but 1/2 Con Man sounds, really bad actually. So I propsed this change to the ability. "For Every two cards the plant hero draws, do two damage." This means Con Man CAN BE STOPPED but also keeps its core mechanic close to its chest. It means that it punishes card draw but is less effective against the passive card draw of both players. After that detour we move to the Hearty Class which has mid super rares what the f Luckily I don't have any of these but if I did have them, Landscaper: Give this another health please I beg of you. Turquoise Skull Zombie: Make it 3-cost so funny sun stealer becomes viable. I lied I actually do have All Star Zombie: Make this a 4/4 4 cost card. And finally Sneaky is completely fine, maybe give Excavator Zombie: 2 health instead of 1 but besides that they're good but not OP. Besides one Pogo Zombie: Make this rare. Thats it no new ability just make it easier to get. Its only really good because its hard to get for new players. That is all. overall good video Super Rares are actually the best balanced cards in the game like some Legendarys are trash while others are godly, Super Rares are all around the same level, espically the Zombies. Good work EA ig And good work you for this video cuz it is also pretty good

[@yes3410]

Late but I think excavator and landscaper are okay but if I hade to change one of them I think landscaper would be better if it costed two it might be good or you could give it one more attack

[@tempinveir6234]

@@yes3410 dw 'bout being late. your changes are probs better. evac is pretty good if used right, and a cheaper landscaper would be good, especially cuz if i remember correctly hearty doesn't have a two-cost gravestone

[@robertlupa8273]

1:50 😂

[@pitimusmaximus]

Jugger nut is a better 2/3 bullseye. Almost broken as is.

[@usernamesareweird4880]

New font? Looks nice

[@yeettm8014]

For deep sea garg maybe have the garg make a water environment on the other lanes. That or have it pull lowest health plant into the water lane killing the plant.

[@hipnosetahechicera]

I don't agree with the balance change to disco-naut that you purpose cuz I don't wanna fight against bullseye binary stars/flameco zombie. I think it would be better to give disco-naut +2 health

[@newrallyxeviousgamer]

“Bad in PvZ, PvZ2, and Heroes” Not true but if I tried to justify WHY Chomper isn’t as bad as people make him out to be I would get destroyed.

[@youshouldaddzombottothisdeck]

I loved spamming Sunflowers and Chompers in the original, but let's be honest, just planting Repeaters was better

[@newrallyxeviousgamer]

@@youshouldaddzombottothisdeck Repeaters are overall better but Chomper still has surprising utility in PvZ 1. He’s a popular plant in speedruns and is actually pretty decent in Bobsled Bonanza. (He can eat Bobsled Teams AND Zombonis whole.)

[@imnotanthony_ita9719]

make deep sea garg untrickable

[@alperenakdas3479]

where is discotron?

[@youshouldaddzombottothisdeck]

I forgor 💀

[@alperenakdas3479]

@@youshouldaddzombottothisdeck cant blame you its very forgetabel card

[@los-lobos]

Juggernaut at 2/3 is overpowered; don’t buff juggernaut, just nerf tricarrotops

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

OK as usual I'll compile my thoughts into one large comment as usual 1) what? juggernut is a great card as is it's just that tricarrotops and galacta are just insanely broken and you have to nerf those. Even then you could just run all three and get away with it, because guardian is balanced 2) personally I like the idea of making marine bean teamup, but idk it's a really weird card that would be really weird to fix 3) no comment on strawberrian, though personally I'd keep the 3-2 stats but bring back hitting it's own lane 4) sorta disagree on it needing a buff but yeah that's good enough 5) OK hear me out, make it a 4 cost 4-3 but make it activate only when you play peas instead of plants here and next door. I have no idea how actually good that would be but I like the idea 6) what if we instead make it give +7/7 stats just to make it even more high risk high reward for the memes 7) make the weenie beanies cost 0, make him like a weird version of disco zombie

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

OK KZbin isn't letting me edit so uhh yeah I agree with the magic beans buff, and also the sunflower seed one, nothing to say there

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

You could make chomper just destroy the zombie, no attack limit required. Even then it'd probably be worse than eyespore

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

Screw abilities, make my man deep sea garg a 9/9 and refuse to elaborate further! He is amphibious and has high stats. That's his only gimmick and it shall stay that way gosh diggity darn!

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

Yeti should be a 2-3 or he'll just die instantly to anything. That or make him a 3-2 and make him a suicide unit that just goes in, conjures a trick, kills an enemy minion and dies. That and/or make the lunchbox cost 0 that also works

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

Make portal technician a 3 cost 3-2, I'd like him to stay completely unreliable

[@jakeextreme4108]

What if Pod Fighter will have Team-Up, but less health? I mean why not

[@youshouldaddzombottothisdeck]

Perhaps

[@Dwayne_LaFontant]

Buff zombot and nerf all anti teleport cards. (Also nerf carrot Dino idk)

[@wannabeheroisagoodcard]

Hi zombot! It is Epeamain12cap here. Your content is as good as it ever was,continue that way! BTW,the new fount is much better than the old one Edit:bro,disconaut is still pretty good,it can nulify the mechanic that make cards like cheese cutter much weaker sometimes

[@lorirobertson8684]

You could also give Duck-Tube Bullseye; it wouldn't be out of class since crazy has Disco-Naut.

[@thatoneguy7738]

Duck tube is Sneaky

[@Person897]

Actually that's not a good reason. Disco-Naut is not out of class because Bullseye after some more cards (Grave Robber, Con-Man, Headhunter) were added it became a Crazy Trait along with Brainy. Sneaky doesn't and never has had Bullseye cards, so I wouldn't start.

[@lorirobertson8684]

@@Person897 Oh... Huh, didn't realize that

[@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding]

Gotta love the Mario and luigi music.