PROT PALADIN MYTHIC PLUS BUILD - M+ BUILD FOR LOW TO HIGH KEYS

[@dunkerdodel4041]

One slight correction, Hand of the Protector does not increase selfhealing at all. Word of glory already has a passive that reads, "Increases by up to 250% based on missing health, if cast on self.

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[@peytonbrayan7968]

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[@poorks84]

finally a guide that makes sense! well done

[@paladindan7252]

Some of the folks caught a mistake that I made in the vid. Hand of the Protector does not increase healing on yourself. For keys lower than a 15, I still recommend it because it makes you an off healing powerhouse. For anything higher I would definitely go Consecrated Ground because you are just going to be kitting all the time. Also, Seraphim gives flat stats and does not scale. Ie: If you have 20% haste and use Seraphim, you will go up to 28% haste.

[@kevinpham6620]

Solid video! I'm really enjoying the prot pally M+ guides! Looking forward to the m+ videos

[@ByrdThatCantFly]

I would love to see a video of you pushing keys on this channel. As a new Prot Paladin, it would help me for sure!

[@paladindan7252]

Stay tuned.

[@edwarddibello7348]

Finally, this is great for beginners! Awesome video.

[@davidcase1]

Thanks for making these videos. Prot paladins are under represented on KZbin. I was excited about holy power in pre patch by I was 480 geared with 30+% haste. Fast forward to early SL and I’m sub 10% haste. I never liked the blessed hammers talent but your video got me to start using it a few weeks ago and it’s really smoothed out my rotation. Hoping to get away from it sometime in 9.1 depending on haste but we’ll see. What are your thoughts on engineering attachments for tanking? I always liked the in game fantasy of engineering but in practice it feels lackluster. Looking for information on cardboard assassin in the current m+ build.

[@tobiaskirstan4778]

Great vid dude ! :)

[@Talj_wow]

As a regular M+ runner (15) Holy Shield is my life saviour.

[@justCezarMe]

Crit provides extra parry % . Also would have liked to hear an argument between vers and mastery. Thx for the info around talents and leggys

[@paladindan7252]

The amount of parry that crit gives is laughable and it is by far the corst stat for us. As for vastery vs vers, I do go over it in the video. Here is an explanation that U gave someone else. Being at 10% mastery gives you 3.4% reduced damage in consecration while 18% gives 6.1% reduced damage along with more block chance and attack power. That jump in almost 3% less damage taken is equal to getting 6% more vers which is harder to get than 8% mastery because you need more vers points per 1% vers than you need for 1% mastery. I have 335 mastery and that gives me 18% but I have 493 vers and am only at 12%. So Again, I think that a soft cap should ideally be hit on mastery before going the rest into vers because you get more bang for your buck but it's personal choice.

[@brandonmashaw502]

great video keep up the good work

[@framinthor]

why would Hand of the Protector talent help u sustain urself better? it doesnt change anything for the paladin casting it, it just allows the 250% healing increase of WoG to affect allies... Consecrated ground is way better for kiting and avoiding damage in all scenarios. Or am I missing something about HotP? Idea for a video I don't see people making or maybe I havent looked hard enough: team composition preferences per weekly affixes

[@ryangeorge6694]

10/10 top pally

[@RicardoDiaz-nz4ro]

Thanks bro i'm going to try your build

[@timward8964]

how about one on gear? all i see is blues from dungeons and raiding gear. what is BiS for M+ if youre not raiding? love your vids!

[@BroChillRyan]

awesome video dude. one question, does blessed hammer trigger grand crusader for shield procs? when i switch the talent and read the tooltip it still says hammer or righteous gives the 15% chance. would love to try out blessed hammer but i'm afraid of lowering shield proc chance.

[@paladindan7252]

I still triggers grand crusader.

[@logicomamk2848]

But arent we squishier without Holy Shield? everytime I take Hammers I feel like Im making my healers life complicated : D

[@paladindan7252]

You are squishier yes. Up to you which you use.

[@logicomamk2848]

@@paladindan7252 kk thanks, your channel is super helpful man

[@ChaosPhoenix777]

Honestly I use hammers as well. I found myself helping my healer more by healing myself when word of glory is free from divine purpose or from 4 shield of righteous and just make sure you are interrupting casts and dodgeing big swings.

[@piotrdom9029]

thx for info

[@Tinamys]

Hello, what do you think about "The ardent's protector's sanctum" as a legendary ? I started using it when my raid arrived at Sludgefist (having a 30%DR on both tanks every 1 to 1.4 min is awesome there), and i find myself using it more and more in M+ too. Granted, i'm not doing keys as high as you are at the moment (more about 12-13 than 15+), but i felt the great sinergy between this legendary, Unbreakable spirit, and the conduit you mentionned can be worth it. The higher i get, the more i feel like Ardent defenser's base DR of 20% is not nearly enough to be used alone, so if I don't have it at 30%, i always have to use a little something along with it or i'm getting melted (trinket/Divine Toll/...). Maybe I should try Seraph for this purpose though, since it should pair well with the 'natural' ardent defenser, and probably with the Shield reset too (more mastery, versatility and crit means more shield from First avenger per cast).

[@paladindan7252]

The thing is that as you get higher, jumping from 20% to 30% is 't going to be big enough for you to stand there and face tank; you're going to have to kite anyway. So this loses value. It's also a lego that can only be used once every minute or so while the other two help you out 100% of the time which means you get more value. But you can still use it for sure, it's just not the most optimal imo.

[@deanel89]

Great guide! Thanks for the vid. I'm surprised more aren't recommending Final Stand, it's so good. We already do so much damage as a tank so I don't think a buffed wings is as useful in m+ Regarding your conduits. I've been using Ringing Clarity because my understanding is it gives u an even bigger shield when it triggers. Do you think Shielding Words is really that much better? Cheers

[@paladindan7252]

Thank you! End of dungeon healing meters shows Shielding Words doing a good amount of healing, about 6%-10%ish of my total healing. The extra shields from Clarity will help and Clarity is still one of the best ones. You can definitely play it. I just prefer the extra healing that I get from Shielding.

[@deanel89]

@@paladindan7252 Cool thanks i'll give it a go. When renown increases we will be able to use both if we choose :D

[@hern7213]

Great nick mate! xD

[@Jvstm]

Seraphim is not an 8% increase on your current stats, it's a flat 8% increase. IE: 30% goes to 38%, regardless of what the actual stat number is.

[@paladindan7252]

In fact, I did pin my comment correcting this along with something else.

[@valladaresRey]

Bro, what add ons are you running, your screen looks real clean and organized

[@DanielSilva-bn8qu]

Hello @PaladinDan, great video, great content, great guide, got my sub for sure and looking forward to learn from you and be one of the top prot paladins of y server, i have a question about your addons, what addon are you using for your name plate and the one for your mouse pink/purple circle. Thank you in advance

[@paladindan7252]

Thank you! My nameplates are elvui. It changes your whole ui. It takes a bit to set up but I love it because you can change literally everything. The pink tracker is a weak aura. Just google "cursor tracker wa" and you should find it. You can customize the size and color.

[@DanielSilva-bn8qu]

@@paladindan7252 Thank you for the answer, looking forward for next pointers and improve my game play

[@itsover9k189]

Ive i use divine toll hit the shilds 1 target?or would hit the shields 5 times with the first avenger talent and give the shields the absorb effect?

[@paladindan7252]

First Avenger will shield you for every shield.

[@zomfgpaNic]

Really appreciate the video, first time tanking or playing paladin. Do you have a discord or anything? Thanks

[@paladindan7252]

Thanks! Not as of now.

[@arnaudcharlier191]

Well done! just one comment if I may on the hand of protector. this is useful for healing other ppl than you. you seem To mention it heals you more ? did I miss something ? thank you !!

[@RolajWasTaken]

No, he is just mis-understanding what it does. The old talent use to buff it for yourself. But now word of glory always have the 250% extra healing to you, based on missing health. But that talent makes it so the 250% is passed onto ANY target you cast word of glory on. It's okay if your healer needs help, but overall consecrated ground is much better

[@bustrbsly82]

hand of the protector doesn't affect healing on yourself in any way

[@christoffersrensen2594]

Any thoughts on the new kyrian legendary?

[@paladindan7252]

Only use it in m+. It is better than Sigil. If you don't like Bulwark then use it instead. Not for raid though. Pair it with Mikanikos.

[@mrf7352]

Is the protec pala good for pvp aswell ? Or only Retri ?

[@lettnavn]

"Once you hit a haste/mastery cap". Do you have any info about this? Still haven't found any good source for the cap. Currently sitting on 26/26% haste/mastery :

[@paladindan7252]

Ideally above 25% haste, around 16%-20% Mastery, and 20% Vers. I'd say something attainable is 25% haste, 15% Mast and 15%+ vers.

[@eliminat]

Final Stand is nice, but isn't the taunt 3 seconds long or is it the full 8 seconds of the shield? I prefer righteous protector because it means you get wings every minute or so, thus pumping out more dmg AND bigger heals. Hand of the protector already is built into Word of Glory for yourself so it's nice to almost heal someone else to full, but DPS/Healer HP is so low even a regular Word of glory is enough to top them off (if it made it proc from Shield of the Rightous more often that would rock), so I prefer sanctified ground easier to control groups of mobs, allows us to kite and also helps DPS/Healer run away from mobs if they need too.

[@itsover9k189]

That is my question to if the taunt 3 sec long the groub will die.

[@eliminat]

@@itsover9k189 You can cancelaura or do regular taunt on a mob for 3 more seconds.

[@lopik199]

Hand of the Protector is not really good talent if your healer is playing well. You can heal your allies even without talent, but you usually want to spend your holy power for SoTR or world of glory on youself. Consecrated ground seems much more useful in kiting meta. No TOP 10 prot pally play this talent. Last stand is fine sometimes, but with quick taunt + cancel macro it´s not really mandatory. How do you feel about Inscrutable Quantum Device trinket vs. Blood-Spattered Scale trinket for prot paladin? I feel that for AOE Blood-Spattered Scale is probably BIS, but on raid I am thinking that device trinket could be better. What do you think about 2nd slot trinket? I noticed you use Anima Field Emitter trinket, is it really that good or you just don´t have better option? I personally use Sinful Gladiator's Insignia of Alacrity trinket from pvp, but I feel Kael'thas trinket may be better. Great video though, I will definitely check your stream since almost every streamer play VDH or BRM.

[@paladindan7252]

Hand of the Protector is definitely good. This week is necrotic so many tanks will opt for the slow but even if your healer plays right, there will always be tight spots were an off heal is really good. That said, like I mentioned, you can swap those two for sure, it can go either way. I like Final Stand because I can let myself get to 10% and then bubble while keeping the mobs in the same place for melee and giving me 8 secs to heal. The higher the key levels get, the more I like it. The Device trink is probably better for raid unless you have an aoe fight. The Blood trinket shields me for 26k single target but 50k when I hit 5 mobs. In m+ it's irreplaceable. Raid vs m+ builds are definitely different. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@OrionlinkGLPlus]

Could you upload a vid about your keybinding and add-ons ?

[@Juistja975]

Relentless inquisitor is top 3 for both prot and retri and viable for holy M+, thats what i went with. tier 4 now and already over 2k soul ash saved for later on..

[@paladindan7252]

Relentless inquisitor is definitely good. It's best for raiding and it is versatile between all 3 specs. However, when talking strictly about m+, Sigil or Bulwark are going to provide more in that environment.

[@xbite1182]

Man I wish I had those adding you have. It would look better playing the game

[@theChef1337]

Should have made your name PaliDan. Missed opportunity there

[@k0nvick]

Me waiting patiently for them to buff serephim making it a risk talent that makes you stand out from other pallies 😩 I miss the glory days of wod when it was so nice

[@egenc4544]

bro u got the best trinket with 226 gz, so jelly :D gz

[@grzegorz4632]

Maby some guide for dungeons for someone that don't have a gear yet?

[@elth_]

A bit of critique from my side, which isnt meant offensively in any way but i feel like putting out a guideline for players should contain correct information: Redoubt is still the highest dps-choice out of the whole lvl15 talent-row, even on low gear. Even far below 25% haste, especially if running sigil, holy shield should not put you notably far behind on holy power while holy shield is still the best defensive-choice for that row. You also made a wrong statement about seraphim. Even though im not personally a big fan of seraphim, it is a flat-percent increase in your secondary stats and it doesnt increase your secondary statvalue by the given percents. This means that: let´s say you´re sitting at 28.36% haste, which would be 936 haste, popping seraphim will not increase the 936 by 8% but it will give u a straightup 8% hasteincrease. So the benefit is the same no matter what amount of stats you´re at. You didnt cover issues that come along with running final stand. final stand has been changed to a "dynamic" aura that taunts everything within 15 yards (mobs that run into that range while you sittin in bubble will be taunted and mobs leaving these 15 yards will lose the taunt) but it can cause mobs around you to attack teammates in between the bubble being applied to you and the taunt being applied to the mob. it CAN happen that an enemy mob - depending on current swingtimer - might actually turn around and kill a teammate of yours and should therefore only be used as some type of a "safety-net" or last resort before you end up dying. You didnt cover Righteous protector at all, which probably has the highest overall value for protection paladins when it comes to healing and dmg-output in m+ since it can squeeze your Wings down to somewhere around a minute and a minute and a half. Especially with sigil or bulwark as a legendary. For sigil, Having more frequent wings means that your Avengers shields will hit harder more often. This results into bigger absorbshields from first avenger in return. On the other hand, if you´re playing bulwark, you can pair almost every divine toll with wings for huge dps. this list goes on but just to give an example. Damage output of sigil is nowhere close to bulwark. we´re talking about a 500-1000 dps gap between these 2 legendary-powers which is a LOT for a tank. you left out mainstat/itemlvl over haste for stat priority. crit - even though its quite bad and not the go-to stat: it gives u parry-chance vers. is more consistent than mastery and its not reliant on rng (blocking) and you standing in consecration. especially if you´re not running holy shield, increasing your blockchance by a few % will most likely not going to necessarily outweigh a flat -damage reduction such as vers. but thats a personal-choice in the end since they´re kinda close to each other. First avenger is capped at 30% HP Best regards.

[@paladindan7252]

Redoubt may be highest dps but for m+ I want the most survivability. Therefore I prefer Holy Shield or Blessed Hammer. Holy Shield is not always the best defensive choice on that row. There are many dungeons where at the end of dungeon Blessed Hammer has done way more healing than Holy Shield. It depends on the dungeon. If I am doing Plaguefall, chances are I take shield because there is so much magic damage. If I do a Halls, I take Hammer because there is way less magic damage. You are correct about Seraphim but it is garbage for m+ (at least for now because we need more survivability). It costs hp instead of giving hp. Divine Purpose or Holy Avenger which I have been using recently are better options for survivability. You are also correct about Final Stand but what I say in the video is that it is there as a strong defensive where you can catch up on healing. It should only be used before you are about to die. I did not cover Righteous Protector although it is very good and maybe I should have. I just think that Final Stand gives more survivability and especially in pugs, this will be more valuable in my opinion because having another strong defensive option is always good. Divine Shield is basically useless aside from dropping debuffs and picking aggro back up after turning it off but with Final Stand you can use it and stand there in sticky situations. Sigil output is not as good as Bulwark and I say that in the video. Ilvl over secondary was left out because it's so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be said. Maybe I should have. Crit does give parry but is trash compared to haste, mastery which gives us 3 different things thanks to Diving Bulwark and vers. It's not that crit is useless, it's that it is the least useful stat that we have. As for vers vs mastery, like I said in the vid, once you start hitting a soft cap in mastery, the rest I would put into vers. Like you say, this is preference and you could ignore mastery and take vers instead. However, being at 10% mastery gives you 3.4% reduced damage in consecration while 18% gives 6.1% reduced damage along with more block chance and attack power. That jump in almost 3% less damage taken is equal to getting 6% more vers which is harder to get than 8% mastery because you need more vers points per 1% vers than you need for 1% mastery. I have 335 mastery and that gives me 18% but I have 493 vers and am only at 12%. So Again, I think that a soft cap should ideally be hit on mastery before going the rest into vers because you get more bang for your buck but it's personal choice. I appreciate the feedback. Cheers.

[@elth_]

@@paladindan7252 @PaladinDan Regarding the holy shield topic, 99% of people make the mistake of comparing the healing. But that's not how it works. Only the magic damage mitigated by holy shield counts towards healing done whereas all damage mitigated by hammers counts towards healing. The increased amount of physical mitigation from the increased block chance does not count towards healing. That's why it is misleading to watch details in that case. Holy shield outweighs hammers defensively since they changed blessed Hammers going from bfa into shadowlands. The only benefit of hammers over holy shield would be a minor dps increase and the quality of life coming along with it. If you're going by healing meters, hammers will always "heal" more but the healing is flat and does not scale with increased damage intake with rising key levels but blocking does scale with higher incoming damage. Redoubt increases strength and more strength results into more armor through sotr, which could technically still outweigh blessed Hammers mitigation (that is something that could be calculated through the increased damage reduction through armor while sitting in sotr) while providing more damage and more healing through word of glory and a higher hp-pillowsuit. Just to give out some ideas in what regard redoubt could be stronger, at least from a physical standpoint. Seraphim could be a game breaking talent for survivability considering it gives crazy stats and could therefore be treated as a defensive. But that aswell as your response on seraphim doesn't have anything to do with the wrong information you provided on the talent. What you're saying about the mastery vers topic also doesn't change the fact that vers is more consistent since there is no rng involved and no dependancy towards consecration. Noone said that vers is "technically better from a point by point perspective"

[@paladindan7252]

@@elth_ I recognize you from raiderio btw. I didn't know that details didn't count the physical mitigation. That's good to know. Redoubt I have tested and I know that SotR scales with strength but the scaling is bad as I mentioned right now. You can try it for yourself but for me, I went from 62% physical damage mitigation from a normal SotR to 64% from a Redoubt SotR. Unless I'm missing something, I don't think that 2% more physical mitigation along with maybe 4k more hp is as good as shield or hammers, at least not this early in the expac. As for Seraphim, I did make a mistake in the video. However I know that it gives crazy stats and it can for sure be considered a defensive cd. Right now with my stats, it gives me 3% more consecration dr and 4% more dr from the vers for a total of 7% less damage taken if standing in consecration with Seraphim active; not to mention the haste and crit. I don't know if that is worth 6 globals of not having SotR uptime however because for those 6 globals I go from 62% physical mitigation to 45%. Again, maybe I'm missing some secret discord tech but to me it doesn't seem worth. I have been using Holy Avenger recently and gave grown to like it since I get a WoG every other global and or very high SotR uptime. Thoughts?

[@elth_]

@@paladindan7252 oh no I'm not using seraphim myself unless for fun in lower keys. I just wanted to have the information straight. If playing hammers, you can pre-ramp holy power to go in with seraph and therefore not lose globals or holy power. But that's more theory crafting.

[@OrcinusDrake]

@ Eltharien Ooh if only you said vers/mast/crit rather than haste :P This is pretty minor but haste is actually the exception when adding %s. If you're at 936 haste (28.36%) and pop seraphim, you would go to 38.63% haste rather than the expected 36.36%. Haste %s are multiplicative unlike the other secondaries @PaladinDan Going from 62% to 64% is not 2% damage reduction, it's over 5%. However I think you rounded a bit as 2% is indeed what I get in my gear.

[@tomasmandovec5132]

Hi im not sure but Hand of Glory is already healing yourself based on missing HP as proto, you dont need Hand of Glory for that, this talent only help you with healing others as i undertand it

[@paladindan7252]

The way the tooltip reads, it says it increases healing on the "target." As I understand it, even if the target is yourself it works.

[@tomasmandovec5132]

@@paladindan7252 yeah but if you look at tooltip of Hand of Glory it says " Protection: If cast on yourself, healing increased by up to 250% based on your missing health" talent allows you heal others for more based on missing health but you are already healing yourself like thah without talent

[@MrJamjammers]

@@paladindan7252 Yeah the Talent allows that missing health to also work on other targets and not just yourself so it does not provide any extra benefit to yourself.

[@paladindan7252]

@@tomasmandovec5132 I see. Even so I still like it best in that row because I always try to help healers catch up in rough situations. You can swap with the consecration slow but I haven't felt the need, not even this week with necrotic. Up to you really. If you off heal use it if not take the slow.

[@k8436666]

When I look at the top M+ pallys they seem to be stacking Vers over Mastery or am I missing something?

[@GoldenWhirlwind]

Vers is passive dmg reduction, mastery gives a scaling reduc whilst inside consecration so if used properly gives higher yields.

[@SquishieZZZ]

They're probably kiting most of the time, so mastery isn't as effective since they're not standing inside Consecration.

[@Defild]

I have seen you use a movement speed buff besides your horse 1 min cd spell, what is it :)?

[@paladindan7252]

Hmm. The only thing I can think of is the Pelagos soulbind; one of the abilities there gives you move speed after a kill.

[@edwarddibello7348]

What are the best trinkets to use?

[@paladindan7252]

Right now, the best tanking trinket is the one that shields you from De Other Side. There are many good dps ones. I personally like the one from Spires which gives haste but the pvp haste one is also good, along with many others when it comes to dps.

[@robertoazar3235]

It's a bit difficult to read the text in this video very low resolution

[@Thelazyeyeguy2121]

Quality guide! Swapped over to Venthyr for Ret Heroic Prog and it’s not feeling bad in M+ with big pulls but definitely wanting to go back to Kyrian for Prot Tanking and PvP. Add on Bnet @ Kongpheng#1196 if you want to do some content sometime! Choppër-Azgalor

[@mrf7352]

Can u give us Ur profile from eviul?

[@Torguish]

"we dont have a lot of stats so its not going to give us that much benefits" Excuse me, what? You do realize that Seraphim gives you FLAT % increases. Not % depending on your stats. So that 8% if you have 8% haste it goes to 16%. Meaning it literally DOUBLES your stats. That's absolutely insane in this tier and loses value LATER down the line. Seraphim is definitely the strongest talent there right now if used correctly and you're comfortable with the spec and your tankiness. Its basically a flat 8% stat up to ALL your stats. Not 8% with your current stats.

[@bustrbsly82]

crit gives you parry...

[@Jvstm]

In fact, literally half the information in this guide is incorrect. You should take it down so you don't confuse new Prot Paladins.

[@bobbyqu6681]

Lol totally wrong for new players.