Protection from Everything | Against the Odds

[@cheddarwhizard1639]

Watching the lit up Smuggler's Surprise while he's calculating if he can survive an attack with the creatures on board... My heart can only take so much stress.

[@hewwo772]

agreed

[@YazoBeats]

out of all the Seth mispronunciations, calling Loran of the third path Lorien Revealed is certainly something 😭

[@MTGGoldfish]

I think I got the Loran part right :)

[@horsebones727]

@@MTGGoldfish Don’t ever change, Seth 😎 also, I think Boiler Biggles is one of my very favorites of all time.

[@Lightning37clips]

​@@horsebones727he also called get lost make disappear in game 2

[@matt21643]

"Make disappear" to kill their own creatures. 😂

[@mark_b2]

The Boiler Biggles was pretty funny. Even if it was on purpose

[@CyberNewType]

Seth: “We need to Progenitus faster” Also Seth: Every opportunity to get Kona/Progenitus “ahh…lets get Vaultborn” 😂

[@mikemoyer8162]

I don't normally talk trash on gameplay, but holy cow, match 1 game 2 was so painful watching him not use progenitus after saying how bad dopplegang would be on vaultborn tyrant. Lol

[@RajivAyyagari]

He sees the "draw a card" and gets blinded by it haha

[@MTGGoldfish]

Should have went with the Progenitus

[@Jason-ry1gd]

He could grab progenitus, OR draw a random card that could be anything.. even a progenitus!

[@ghanphol]

You're always so ridiculously jolly in all your videos, Seth. It helps me a lot. I really like it when you upload. I can't know if you're actually struggling behind that smile, I'm sure you are sometimes at least, but thanks a lot. I love watching your videos. I'll be saving this one for tomorrow.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Thanks :)

[@EL1991_]

I wholeheartedly agree!

[@SilverAlex92]

"Protection from everything means everything, except for Sunfall" what a sentence xD Super sweet deck! loved this against the odds. Progenitus in standard

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

So...any boardwipe that gets rid of everything?

[@Magimax5]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor as long it's not a damage one, yes

[@SilverAlex92]

@@Ghalaghor_McAllistor Yup, that has always been Progenitus biggest weakness. Spells that dont target, or damage it (and also edicts if the board is clean). Good ol Day of jugment/Wrath of God gets rids of it. Sunfall is particularly painful cuz it even denies the shuffle into the deck trigger tho.

[@Shimatzu95]

On one hand i feel like pro everything should protect from boardwipes, on the other hand, yugioh has many examples of why uninteractable cards are just too problematic to justify this.

[@gogogagagugu2134]

I really think progenitus needs reminder text on it to clarify exactly what "Protection from everything" means especially since it's one of very few cards that uses that text and it's not entirely intuitive for newer players who probably won't know the exact rules definition of protection

[@ShiivaWilding]

First game misplay from the opponent; if they dopplegang for X = 3, they could copy the boilerbilges, mistmoors and leyline binding 3 times each, exiling hovership, hunter and elves, doming Seth for 12 damage down to 11 life, then attack all out with a fish and progenitus to block. The flyers get through for 8 damage, and Seth doesn't have enough blockers to prevent lethal. Huge misplay from the opponent, who clearly has three untapped mana to boost dopplegang that little bit more!

[@zackestin1368]

Even with the x 2 they had lethal if they just attacked all out. 8 from flyers and at least one unblocked beast does it

[@shadowninja1337]

Yeah that was a misplay missing multiple lethals, but I think the core issue is that they might not even have been looking for lethal outs because I think they thought they could block Progenitus.

[@ShiivaWilding]

@@zackestin1368 Oh you're totally right, didn't see the line! I figured he could make a fish for the final block, not taking into account it taps to crew the hovership!

[@ShiivaWilding]

@@shadowninja1337 Looks that way, but then how often do you come across protection in standard these days?

[@goosewithagibus]

Yeah they totally thought they could block progenitus ​@@shadowninja1337

[@gavinpatterson116]

I have been excitedly awaiting the Progenitus video! I am so excited to run this deck Seth! Thank you and I hope you are well!

[@MTGGoldfish]

It's finally time!

[@jkdeadite]

"Do we survive the backswing? Math is for blockers, so I haven't bothered to count," says Seth, the one who is blocking. :D

[@SkynetSpider]

I remember one time an opponent played a Progenitus, told me I can't read it cuz it has protection from everything. Still to this day, I don't know if he was joking.

[@DraculHemming]

I mean, Protection from Everything. DEBT. You can't Target the Progenitus to read it, so I guess you can't.

[@STS-qi1qy]

Seth asking the hard questions as always like 'Is Sheltered by Ghosts any good?'

[@holycitysilver5775]

“Cavern on squid” made my night. Thanks Seth! 😂

[@mikemoyer8162]

Ngl, leyline ax with flying bunnycorn is kind of a rad idea.

[@nathan6469]

Easy way to remember protection DEBT D is damage E is equipped/enchanted B is blocked T is target

[@zackestin1368]

Finally progenitus can be useful on arena for more than a one of natural order target

[@zackestin1368]

This deck is definitely just worse than the inferno and terror of the peaks build of smugglers surprise though, and that deck already just isn’t great in the meta vs dimir for people who want to try this deck

[@garionkyler5611]

progenitus brings me back to the early days of commander. go old school hydra!

[@spicymato]

Game 1, after scooping to a wide board with the (correct) justification that you don't have a sweeper to get out of that, why didn't you pull in Split Up?

[@MTGGoldfish]

I'm not sure Split Up is actually that good against the Overlord deck, it would have been great in game one, but I'm not sure how often that situation comes up in the matchup.

[@pneuma08]

1:07:55 - Drawing with Loran before casting Smuggler's Surprise is risky because it could draw them into another Negate. It's also greedy because the extra value makes no difference.

[@HollowdTV]

I like your take on Jim davis’ Kona deck. He thought atraxa, you thought progenitus 😂

[@Duall8]

28:05 Scene of the Crime is a clue. You can sac it to draw a card (even when tapped). Also, you could tutor it at 1:03:40 for T3 Progenitus

[@polymphus]

Hi Seth, a really silly Alchemy combo I've been having a lot of fun with is using self-mill and Mycoid Recurrection to create massive Osseous Sticktwisters. It is terrible, if it encounters any graveyard hate whatsoever it collapses instantly, and it's also very funny. other friends that work well in the deck: Scavenger's Talent, Patchwork Beastie, Cache Grab, Omnivorous Flytrap, Hedge Shredder

[@marshallbrenha7869]

28:40 CRACK YOUR CLUE

[@donbionicle]

What clue? I feel like you and twelve other people are watching a different video here. That timestamp is seconds before the end of a game.

[@evanshaner991]

​@@donbionicleThe clue land

[@donbionicle]

@@evanshaner991 OH! He didn't explain what Scene of the Crime does in the intro and I'd never seen that card before.

[@kats7930]

Seems like Seth never ran into Convoke Aggro before, with his famous "hunh!?" to the Leyline Axe lol 😂

[@ShadowOfNocturne]

Seeing seth play archmage's charm to get kona value instead of the end of turn instant speed shenanigans mentioned literally a minute before is just....classic seth... *shakes head*

[@brodyshields5508]

Alternate Title: Teaching Arena Zoomers about Protection from EVERYTHING

[@giffdude]

Funnily enough I made a Progenitus deck yesterday! You can actually grab Progenitus from a mill effect like smugglers surprise. On arena you just have to click the library button on the menu when you look at the cards.

[@Voidhawk42]

Huh. I think I understand why (surprise lets you choose from among the milled cards, and doesn't care where those cards actually ended up), but since Progenitus makes you shuffle should it still be a valid choice? Since you shouldn't know which card in your library is the just-milled Progenitus? *JUDGE!*

[@DrAngryMongoose]

You can't, but it's not obvious why. Progenitus shuffle is a replacement effect, so it's never in the graveyard. Now, if it went to exile this still wouldn't be a problem, since ss doesn't care where it mind to, but the library is a hidden zone so it's no longer available for smugglers surprise to take.

[@giffdude]

​@@DrAngryMongooseyou can. SS only cares about the milled cards, not where they went. I know this because I have literally gotten it this way on arena

[@DrAngryMongoose]

@@giffdude Arena would be wrong then, but I think more likely you made a mistake. See JudgingFTW DDR#833

[@poiri]

@@giffdudeif you really did that then you should report this as a bug on arena

[@etc597]

would authority of the consuls been good to bring in against mono red around 46:00?

[@SteelySnow7]

46:30 not sideboarding in authority against burn seems odd. Could be just me tho 😅

[@brianarsuaga5008]

I was gonna argue that smuggler's surprise's mill mode should still be fine fine with progenitus, because the shuffle trigger would lose track of progenitus when you put it in hand, but that's a replacement effect and not a trigger! Different than the eldrazi and gaea's blessing. I'm always on the lookout for effects like this to beat mill, but tasha's hideous laughter still defeats them all.

[@BobardeZanzibar]

Seth is out here applying spirited companion theory to standard.

[@mrchauncy8832]

If you watch at half speed, Seth sounds like he's plastered. Listening to him explain the deck concept is kinda hilarious

[@ebonezra8073]

Holy Rares and Mythics, Batman! This deck is expensive!!

[@swisssaga4419]

if you don’t bring in aouthorety of the counsel against mono red, when do you bring it in?

[@TheLunaLockhart]

it's the return of the boilerbiggles

[@FlawlessRhythmGG]

In my opinion, Kona is the best mono G commander on Arena. Not by a landslide, but I play a ton of green decks and Kona has been my most consistent. According to my untapped, I've got a 72% wr and I've played over 60 games with it (lots of them only last till turn 3-4). My next best being Marwyn at a 66% but I have over 200 games with her. Lol.

[@Alvin-wx2ep]

26:50 i love having 2 copys in my zoraline bat tribal deck other then that i dont use it

[@maxwell4322]

I wish the back up plan wasn't so dominant. This turned out to be Vault Born tyrant rather than its actual theme.

[@mees8711]

In Progenitus we trust

[@imshan8267]

"it's like a 15 year old mythic" If hearing this is the price of Seth cheer, I'll pay it.

[@donniestallman3479]

The simple joy of imagining your opponent racking their brain on that Cavern on squid play…

[@ryanspencer1291]

"What are they taking, eleven. Pretty good."

[@dyllanlane9413]

Surprised no caustic bronco. I have it in my Kona build and it feels so good especially when top decking a huge spell

[@vl8680]

I have been waiting too long for this

[@kevinscapegoat3719]

Would going into a little blue for countering wraths be a possibility?

[@austind2784]

I've been surprising in phyrexian obliterators while having cavern of souls on horror, allowing me to play the green and black overlords.

[@SilverFoxPlays87]

I did this similarly with Kona and Omniscience. So good. But aggro decks ate me up.

[@calebgulbrandsen2593]

would this be better as G/B with valgavoth instead of progitus

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

Does that mean only when it's on the field or when it's in your hand too? What about when it's exiled?

[@68freighttrain]

In that first game, the opponent probably didn't know that protection meant it can't be blocked either. I've played a similar deck, found that arena zoomers just don't know what all protection does

[@905LilO]

"So many hoverships, so little identity"

[@asahi43]

What _does_ SaffronOlive mean tho? 37:15

[@powerofwill5811]

How does sunfall remove progenitus? Wouldn't it have protection from sorceries? There must be some weird rule technicality I'm missing

[@jarvvoitlus9458]

Protection is only against targeting, enchanting, equipping, and blocking. Even a normal Day of Judgement kills around protection.

[@Jason-ry1gd]

Protection saves you from DEBT. (Damage; Enchant/Equip; Blocking; Targeting). Any (nonred?) Boardwipe will work since it doesnt actually stop destroy or exile. However it will stop most red boardwipes (like anger of the gods or blasphemous act); since they are generally x amount of damage. (Although you can use something like wildslash to stop damage prevention then remove a pro red creature with a red boardwipe. It would have to still be a wipe effect as you still would not be able to target it)

[@adamkarolak3544]

​You forgot about damaging. Best way to remember what protection does, is to remember how inDEBTed to it you will be. Damage Enchant/equip Block Target

[@jarvvoitlus9458]

@@adamkarolak3544 Right, thanks. My brain remembered there were four things and counted enchanting/equipping as two lol

[@Jason-ry1gd]

Protection saves you from DEBT. Important note though; protection doesnt just stop damage but "prevents" it. Meaning if you attack with a red creature and they block with a pro red creature and you use something like wild slash; your creature will damage the protected creature since damage cant be prevented

[@Hawko1313]

Progenitus in 2025 is a mood, Thankyou Seth

[@maximiliangunther9597]

That mulligan against monored was super disheartening. Llanowar elves on the draw was your best chance of stabilizing and without other Kona + vehicle, progenitus is a worse circling vultures

[@meshuggahshirt]

I'm a simple woman. I hear Seth say "Boilerbiggles," I smash that like button

[@TheEsrix]

I want to see Seth play a Historic version of Omnidoor Thragfire

[@evankraabel5415]

Progenitus not having flying is easily the most egregious case of "thing that can obviously defeat fliers not being able to block fliers"

[@adamkarolak3544]

I could understand reach, but flying would be dumb

[@natejablonski]

I suppose Get Lost is similar to Make Disappear, in that it's two mana... Edit: okay, a lot of just saying the wrong card names today. Never change, Seth

[@canismajor1186]

Isn't saffron olive a spice?

[@7th_Heaven]

@MTGGoldfish saw your thumbnail. Have two words. [SOUL SHATTER]

[@thesaurusakasickakatheomc7688]

Am I missing something? Blasphemous Act doesn't target, so it should still deal 13 damage to Progenitus, shouldn't it?

[@Reverend_Blake]

31:40 i need that leyline axe list

[@luna_coool]

why not use atraxa? or what about omniscience?

[@adamkarolak3544]

Because it's supposed to be Progenitus deck first, and koma is support. Atraxa don't really work as back up Progenitus as well as tyrant does, cuz Tyrant you can actually hard cast without complicating your mana base.

[@chrishoye55]

What is the story behind the name SaffronOlive?

[@narius4241]

damn progenitus is in standard now? I have a really old progenitus in my binder, card always looked so awesome to me but in old magic it wasn't easy to make it work.

[@jstrozza9411]

When he played vaultborn tyrant instead of progenitus after saying he’s scared of dopplegang

[@goosewithagibus]

Opponent punted hard in that first game

[@Zenocide0x]

Oblivion ring, what were you saying?

[@Logan-lz5gu]

They need to stop printing exile wraths for 5 mana. Sunfall just shuts down too many decks.

[@ryanwesneski5359]

Okay

[@IlCremo]

Ok kid. I guess standard is being dominated by creatureless control decks then.

[@ave_maria323]

I mean they need a few exhile or it'll be revive the hoofs all over again

[@Logan-lz5gu]

@ave_maria323 they're fine at 6 like farewell but sunfall also gives you a body ontop of shutting down all the dies triggers like vaultborn tyrant

[@ave_maria323]

@Logan-lz5gu I guess but Idk I won't miss sunfall

[@LadyMapi]

I think your first opponent was impending everything because Sunfall doesn't hit enchantments.

[@Umbry_Rose]

I made a Seth video early! And it's my kind of jank. Today will be a good day.

[@whoopsmymeds]

This deck needs some Elesh Norn :D

[@midnalight6419]

I feel like Seth is beginning to complain more about regal bunnycorn than sunfall in against the odds

[@seanwilson613]

It's pronounced bestie

[@7th_Heaven]

😅

[@teusz16]

Why no relic of legends?

[@wormspeaker]

Sheltered By Ghosts is good enough to play in any creature deck because it hoses mono red agro.

[@StaleBranflakes]

But most decks right now have lots of removal AKA Dimir X decks

[@wormspeaker]

​@@StaleBranflakes In some match-ups Sheltered by Ghosts is more or less permanent removal with life gain. (i.e. against fast mono red agro decks which make up a large part of the meta at any given time.) In some match-up's it's a tempo play. You need to remove your opponent's creature long enough for you to get through your damage to win. So it's OK if they remove your creature and get a 2 for 1, if they're still going to die. It's so good in the mono red match-up that it's OK that it's of less use in other match-ups.

[@vipershark1]

!Punt 28:48 Clue land for more looks

[@kyuuno]

wait isnt authority of the consuls good against red deck wins? (you didnt side it in against them on g2 around 46min in)

[@civilez7060]

Bruh, just use the Archdruid Charm to grab Progenitus and Smuggle it into play at End of Turn so it gets pseudo haste. That first game you could've done that like 3 times.

[@Ambushw23]

They definitely didn’t realize they can’t block projoe protection from everything means unblockable

[@petersteiman2443]

Yea, Sunfall is still an obnoxious card. I really thought that there should have been a card in Foundations that interacted well with all the exile based removal that is currently in Standard. Some sort of one or two mana white instant with “Until end of turn, if an effect an opponent controls would exile one or more permanents you control, instead exile those permanents and return them to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.”

[@schaadsters]

I’m a long-time fan of the channel. I enjoy the episodes, but they feel a lot less against the odds than they used to. They feel a lot more like brews than what they used to be. They used to be jank cool things that I was legitimately amazed Seth made happen.

[@hydre383]

best paired with power doublers for ohko

[@seanheath4492]

So... is Progenitus's chief weapon surprise?

[@lindzeesouperocd7558]

Huh. It's almost like archdruid's charm can tutor for a creature. I wonder if you could tutor for proten?....🤔🙄

[@crppledizzle9374]

seth saying vaultborn tyrant is the best vault card while synthesizer exists is crazy to me

[@adamkarolak3544]

Tyrant is better in vacuum, more universal. Synthesizer is way better in proper shell, as build around.

[@crppledizzle9374]

@@adamkarolak3544 let's be honest, in the year of our lord 2025 there is no reason that you aren't building around a card to use its true potential, like bsfr

[@priscillaquinn9505]

Wow.. someone lost against me.. thanks for outing my combo to the world.. btw the peice your missing is enduring vitality. Scene of the crime is good but enduring is a turn 2 play with kona being turn 3 if scene is out and untapped you can use it to tap kona the turn kona comes out

[@anthonymentalewicz5143]

Game 1 opponent left back 17 power worth of attackers before you alpha striked.

[@stevekeenan9673]

Sheltered by ghost has been good 55:40 to 55: 47 😂

[@darushkii]

Petition to get Seth on Game Knights

[@RGYT86]

I brought a deck like this to standard night and got my ass handed to me. Progenitus is a bit of a trap. 10/10 isn't a game ender anymore.

[@heywes]

Sunfall and Farewell were a mistake in standard/pioneer.

[@johnwilliams2385]

The real greed would be leyline axe

[@Neowurm]

I love the deck name

[@Ambushw23]

I don’t know why you wouldn’t play sunfall yourself, helpful hunter seems bad it’s just a draw spell ramp or removal seems way more useful

[@TheHomieNess]

That Kona card looks busted af

[@Yeppers_Peppers]

14:04 opponent threw the win, should’ve hit face with the boilerbilges

[@cjfeinberg7613]

I think you forgot your clue land can be sacked for a card.

[@Ambushw23]

They should make baby projoe wuburg 5/5 pro everything, if it is removed by your opponent search your library for momma projoe and put in it to play. I just want a pair of cards that do that baby dies momma comes and kills you

[@lyonheart501st]

gotta put a skullspore nexus so you can one tap people with its pay 2 ability

[@caleb9271]

can't target it yourself either, protection from everything means EVERYTHING lol

[@lyonheart501st]

@@caleb9271 shi you right

[@LucasTigy2]

imagine playing a clue land and then not even using it when you want to draw a card