Protestantism Refuted: Justification by Faith Alone? Seraphim + Jay Dyer (Half)

[@JayDyer]

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[@juanthefreak331]

there are plenty of false doctrines in christianity, the number 1 false doctrine is the apostle paul

[@ironyusa3885]

Seraphim Hamilton is an absolute gem in this generation.

[@nicodemuseam]

Let's remember to pray for Seraphim and Jay and all those who serve us with their God-given talents.

[@alpinefool8814]

@eucharistangel4662 Titus 3:5. Notice that St. Paul mentions the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit as two separate things, meaning you cannot claim that the washing of regeneration is spiritual baptism.

[@alpinefool8814]

@eucharistangel4662 You can still see your comment if you click "sort by newest." I blame crappy YT spam filters. Heck, one of Jay's own comments is invisible unless you click "sort by new," as was mine defending Jay under another thread. Plus, we both know there is nothing you could say that would make Jay or Seraphim scared enough to delete it.

[@ignati123]

So glad this meeting finally happened! Seraphim and Jay have what are probably the 2 best Orthodox KZbin channels. I realize that KZbin Orthodoxy isn't perfect. But there are a lot of good resources here. What ever happened to David P. Withun? Did ever he apostatize?

[@AhemLd]

Around 22:00 Jay explains something which is a MASSIVE a-ha moment for me: That the righteousness handed to us is a CREATED state, which is BOTH the RC AND the Protestant position. Like, the fact that God gave His only begotten Son (Jn 3,16) seems in this system to be a totally arbitrary and needless condition of our salvation, which it is. And it leads to the logical conclusion (whic turns anyone with sufficient IQ away from the faith) that God is just basically playing a stupid game with all of us and Jesus Christ makes zero sense whatsoever. At least this was my sense of the whole thing SINCE CHILDHOOD. It really bugged me on a purely intuitive level that I couldn't put my finger on, but of course, I knew that if I ever brought it up the (calvinist) adults would just give some illogical yet well-rehearsed explanation of justification, which made ME feel stupid, or more accurately, it made me feel like I had to believe in this bs system or else I didn't have faith. (because the Calvinist definition of faith I now assume is literally whether you have enough "faith" in the Calvinist dogma itself to believe in it, meanwhile straight up ignoring the fact that it is a bunch of mental gymnastics) And if a CHILD finds this stuff illogical, then who can still wander at the MASS APOSTASY currently going on in the West!? Also, who can blame the man who looks at this pseudo-religion and replies with a resounding "I'm outta here"? And lastly, who can doubt that all this heresy is pure SATAN? Like, just think of all the poor souls who abandon what little faith they had after going through Calvinist or Roman Catholic theogy (and I am not speaking hyperbole here, both are exceedingly common phenomena in my country) because of the sheer LACK OF VERACITY of both systems, based on this very presupposition Jay talks about here (at 22:00)! I am about to go into Catechesis, and BOY am I zealous, and I am actually in a righteous anger at these false shepherds who, in search of vain glory, invent these satanic heresies which lead MILLIONS into damnation. Jay and Seraphim, PRAISE GOD for every moment you are alive that you may do His righteous work (which is what you are doing without a doubt) and pray that His Holy Spirit continually keep your feet on that narrow path toward eternity. Kyrie Eleison! Christ is Risen! ✝️☦️✝️

[@princekermit0]

✝☦✝

[@shamounian]

Brother, can I upload this to my channel?

[@JayDyer]

Sure

[@heftymagic4814]

No

[@jeremiahfear4165]

More of these crossovers are needed. I love every single one.

[@nissanalgaib]

Since Christology is so critical, should I perhaps start with St. Athanasius’ On the Incarnation? I've been wondering which patristic writings to start with.

[@JayDyer]

Yes

[@CharlesDickens111]

Anything but the Bible is what the Orthodox recommend!

[@niicopanda]

@@CharlesDickens111 That's not charitable.

[@Journey_of_Abundance]

@@CharlesDickens111 look how well your own understanding of the Bible has worked out.

[@MattJackson314]

@@CharlesDickens111 stupid. Telling an Orthodox Christian to read it he Bible is just redundant since you literally can’t be one without it.

[@charlesheck6812]

After being a well studied layman in Reformed Protestantism for 30 years, I would say that the biggest cobweb left over from it that’s taken me five years of looking at Orthodoxy to wipe out of my brain is the idea that God’s law demands 100% moral perfection, I am totally depraved and even my best works as a Christian are stained with sin, the only way God could be satisfied with me is if Christ obtained perfect righteousness in my place and imputed it to me legally. I’m finally seeing, if you take that lens away and just look at the context of justification as used in the New Testament and as it is taught in Orthodoxy… It is a fuller, richer doctrine of the Biblical teaching. Thanks, Jay, this was my biggest hurdle for the last five years.

[@jvlp2046]

28 BIBLICAL VERSES in the New Testament that support FAITH in Christ Jesus thru God's Grace needs/requires Good Works/Deeds/Acts of Charity of Love to thy neighbors/foes alike for our SALVATION: 1. Titus 1:16... "DISOBEDIENCE, disqualified for every good Works/Deeds/Acts." 2. Titus 2:7... "In all things, show yourself to be a pattern of Good Works/Deeds/Acts." 3. Titus 2:14... "And purify for Himself, His own special people, zealous for Good Works/Deeds/Acts." 4. Titus 3:1... "To obey, to be ready for Good Works/Deeds/Acts." 5. Titus 3:8... " that those who have believed (Faith) in God should carefully maintain Good Works/Deeds/Acts." 6. Titus 3:14... " And let our People (Christians) learn to maintain Good Works/Deeds/Acts, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfaithful." 7. Ephesians 1:11... "In Him (Christ) we obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of Him, who WORKS all things according to the Council of HIS Will." 8. Ephesians 2:10... "For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for Good Works/Deeds/Acts, that God prepared beforehand that we should walk with them (Works)." 9. 1 John 2:17... "The way of (good) Works/Deeds/Acts is the way of Life, He who DOETH (Works/Deeds) the will of God, abides forever." 10. Romans 2:28... " And we know that for those who love God, all things WORK together for good, for those who are called to his/her purpose." 11. Matthew 7:21-23... "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who DOETH (Works/Deeds) the WILL of my Father (God) in Heaven." 12. 2 Thessalonians 2:15..." So then Brethren, Stand firm and Hold (Works/Deeds) to the tradition taught by us (Apostles/Disciples), either by spoken word (oral tradition) or by our letters." 13. 2 Thessalonians 3:10... "For even when we are with you, we commanded you this, that if anyone will not WORK (good Deeds), neither you should Eat (reap your labor of Salvation)." 14. 2 Thessalonians 3:16... "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brethren who are Walking in Idleness (Lazy/No Works/Deeds) and not in accordance with the Tradition that you received from us (Apostles/Disciples).". 15. Ecclesiastes 9:10... "Whatever your hands find to DO (Works/Deeds), DOETH with your might, for there is no Work/Deed or Device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave that you are going." 16. Ecclesiastes 12:14... "For God will bring every Works/Deeds into Judgment, including every secret thing, whether good or evil." 17. 1 Corinthians 9:24... "Do you know in the race, all Runners (Believers/Christians) must RUN (do good Works/Deeds), but only one received the prize, so RUN in such a way to get a prize." 18. 2 Corinthians 5:10... "For we must all appear before the Judgement seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done (Work) in the body, according to what he has done (Work), whether good or bad." 19. James 1:22... "But be DOERS (Workers) of the Words, and not hearers only, deceiving yourself." 20. James 3:13... "Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS are done in the Meekness of Wisdom." 21. James 2:14-26... "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has FAITH but does not have WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS, can Faith save him? But do you want to know O' foolish man that Faith without WORKS/DEEDS is Dead?... Was not Abraham our Father not JUSTIFIED by Works/Deeds when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see then that a man is JUSTIFIED by Works/Deeds and not by Faith only? Likewise, was not RAHAB, the Harlot was she JUSTIFIED by her Works/Deeds when she received the messengers and send them out in another way? For as the Body without the Spirit is Dead, so Faith without Works/Deeds is Dead also." 22. John 5:29... "those who did the Good DEEDS (Works/Acts) to a Resurrection of Life, and those committed the Bad/Evil Deeds (Works/Acts) to a Resurrection of Judgment." 23. John 15:1... "I AM the real VINE (Christ), My Father is the Gardener (Vinedresser), HE breaks/cut-off any Branches (Believers/Christians) attached in the VINE that does not BEAR FRUITS (No Good Works/Deeds/Acts)." 24. 2 Timothy 3:17... "That the Man of God may be Perfect (Complete), thoroughly furnished/equipped (may be fully capable), unto ALL (every) GOOD WORK/DEED." 25. 2 Timothy 4:7... "I have fought a good fight, I have finished (Good Works/Deeds) my course/race, and I have kept the Faith." 26. Revelation 19:7-8... "His Wife (Bride/Church) has made herself ready, and to her was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean, and bright, for the Fine Linen is the Righteous of ACTS (Work/Deeds) of the Saints." 27. Revelation 20:12... Then I saw the dead, great and small standing before God's throne, the books were opened, then another book was opened, which is the Boof of Life/Living, and dead were judged according to their WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS, by the things which were written in the Books." 28. Revelation 22:12... "Behold, I am coming quickly, and MY (Christ) Rewards is with ME (Christ) to give to every one according to his/her WORKS/DEEDS/ACTS." In Conclusion... FAITH in Christ thru God's Grace must and should LEAD/BEAR Good Fruits/Works/Deeds/Acts of Charity of Love to thy neighbors/foes alike for our Salvation... Amen.

[@christianorthodoxy4769]

Nice picture.' THE Title. His nose is_growing evertime he wrote or spoke. John Calvin' 🔥

[@СаваСтанковић-с7к]

Spiritual father: "An ungodly combination of John Calvin and Rowan Atkinson doesn't exist and can't lead you into heresy" Ungodly combination of John Calvin and Rowan Atkinson: *the thumbnail*

[@alexb6977]

You guys are blowing my mind over here!

[@gandalfsupreme8800]

​@eucharistangel4662 lol, weird that you protestants think you're so high and mighty with the correct theology when your "correct" theology took 1500 years to show up in the world all of the earliest 1st through 8th century christians believed in the same thing which is everything the orthodox believe. you are going to have to make a pretty dang good argument for how on earth christianity was so wrong for 1500 years since the book of acts, and afterwards.

[@helovesmankind]

Great talk. More material for the book. Thx Jay.

[@silassmith5348]

Although he deleted his comment a Protestant resorted to false accusation saying Jay was living in a state of fornication Stay classy Calvinists.

[@СаваСтанковић-с7к]

@@josephpchajek2685 And you base this interpretation on what exactly?

[@СаваСтанковић-с7к]

@@josephpchajek2685 Oh, you're one of the Marty Leads people?

[@tjt2383]

@@josephpchajek2685 "Married to your truth"...you couldn't be more clear that the "mystic's interpretation" has no standard of truth outside of yourself, and reduces the scriptures to vague bodily and celestial metaphors. This con can be beguiling because it makes ersatz sense of challenging texts, but you're left with empty analogies, and have to brush away Christianity's unique claims, its historical attestations, the Church itself, which the Bible says is the pillar and ground of truth, and gave us the scriptures in the first place, and how that Church has always interpreted them.

[@Tatiana-cp1fc]

@silas Smith can you explain why he said that? Jay is married correct?

[@Tatiana-cp1fc]

@@josephpchajek2685 I disagree that it's not our business. I'll put less stock in someone teaching the Bible while living in fornication or adultery. This 'mind your business' nonsense is code for 'let me sin in peace'.

[@hilarioustoo8820]

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who blesses us with every spiritual blessing among the celestials, in Christ, according as He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world, we to be holy and flawless in His sight, in love designating us beforehand for the place of a son for Him (through) Christ Jesus. Ephesians 1:3-5

[@jvlp2046]

The Ancient Greek word PISTIS rhetorically means PROOF or EVIDENCE, and not "GRACE through FAITH" before Christianity existed, Historically speaking... However, when Christianity became a Spiritual Religion, the word PISTIS was taken as Belief, Faithfulness, or Trust...and became a Complex Concept of FAITH that we know now today based on the teachings of the Apostles of Christ... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@jvlp2046]

For Everybody's information... NOT everything (ALL) is a "WORK," accepted by God... You can give a glass of water to your thirsty neighbors or foes alike with bitterness from your heart is a WORK not accepted by God... You can give ALMS to the poor and needy while your left hand knows what your right hand has done, which is a WORK not accepted by God... You can offer your thanksgiving to God, without a cheerful heart and mind that decides, is a WORK not accepted by God... and so on... In conclusion, FAITH thru God's Grace must be DONE (work/deeds/actions) accordingly to God's WILL, so that NO PRIDEFUL things in our hearts and minds will produce DEAD WORKS... for FAITH without WORK accepted by God (based on Christ's laws)... is still worthless DEAD FAITH... Facts and Truth, Biblically and logically speaking... Amen

[@haleighsturman2239]

I think the one thing that matters most to me boils down to one question. What must I do to be saved? Everything else is interesting and cool and I love learning about it but the only thing that truly matters is know how I can be saved and have relationship with Jesus

[@sheridannicolas]

It's very simple but also quite complicated. Only Jesus can save us, but He says Himself that we are judged on our works in the book of Revelations, and in the book of John, He says we need to believe in Him to be saved. But to believe in Him is not just knowing mentally the right things to think about Him, but to go and do what He commands. He commands a lot of things to be saves, Baptism in John 3, the Eucharist in John 6, to love and to forgive in other places, etc. So the simple answer is to love God and neighbor, but this also includes living a dynamic life in Him and in His church through the sacraments and a continued synergy and union with Him by treating all as if they are God, and loving God. The way we can grow closer to God is by obeying Him and through prayer especially, but also by being obedient to His church. So for example, when the church tells us to fast, we fast. There really is no simple answer, but I hope this helps.

[@perseus6024]

I am a protestant, so just follow the teaching of Christ and Apostles. Don't let man complicate things.

[@gandalfsupreme8800]

​@@perseus6024I'm sorry you are outside of the church

[@perseus6024]

@gandalfsupreme8800 Thanks for your concern. However, I am outside of your church but in the body of Christ and in his church ⛪️ 🙏.

[@perseus6024]

Haleigh, this is the answer to your question. Do not let people here make it complicated. The Book of Acts 16: 29-34 The jailer called for lights, rushed in, and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night, the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized. 34 The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God-he and his whole household. Now, to maintain your salvation, follow the words of the Lord. Also, notice how The apostles in the verses above spoke the WORD of the LORD to the people who wanted to be SAVED. And not some traditions from a church--- Protestant, Catholic, or Eastern orthodoxy. Follow his WORD. The cannon includes the old testament and the New Testament. The writing of the prophets and the apostles. So get a Bible following the Protestant cannon of Scripture. I will be praying for you 🙏.

[@jvlp2046]

The English word CANONIZATION by definition is a R.C.C. doctrine that elevates the literal Dead into SAINTHOOD by proclaiming them ALIVE with God in Heaven, which is contrary to the Written WORD of God (Inspire Holy Scripture)... The "BINDING and LOOSING" authority was given only to Apostle CEPHA (Simon Bar-Jonah) with means in Hebrew-Aramaic as STONE... Christ Jesus is the ROCK (boulder/large stone) upon which God had built His CHURCH, and not from Apostle CEPHA... Why did God give that authority?... because the "WORD of God" had not yet been written down by Inspired Men guided by the Holy Spirit.., it took around 70 years after Christ Jesus' Death, Resurrection, and Ascension into Heaven around 30 or 33 A.D. to finally completed the Individual manuscripts after the Gospel of John and Revelation to John were written and distributed to the 7 Churches of God in Asia Minor around 110 A.D. ... Take Note:... The Oral/Spoken Tradition must not contradict the Written Tradition (Word of God)... Why because the WORD OF GOD is MORE THAN ENOUGH (not incomplete)... All Scripture is God-breathed for Teaching, Correcting, Reproofing, Instructing, and Training in Righteousness... (ref. 2 Tim. 3:16)... When God/Christ fed the 3,000 and 5,000 men not counting women and children, the Apostles had collected many LEFTOVERS after all have been satisfied... To God, "The SPIRIT gives life, while the FLESH profits Nothing... How much more "God's WORD" for Mankind which is the FOOD of the Soul/Spirit... will God give INSUFFICIENT (Incompleted) Written WORD of God (Inspired Holy Scriptures)?... NOPE... The WORD of God is SUFFICIENT enough... because God is the God of "MORE THAN ENOUGH"... EL-SHADDAI, the "All Sufficient-One." (ref. Isaiah 40:16 / 2 Corinthians 9:8 / Ephesians 3:20)... God's WORD is SUFFICIENT enough, that does not need any ADDITIONAL DOCTRINES from Mankind... God's WORD (written) can STAND alone for Mankind. St. Paul said before he was martyrdom in around 67 A.D. to "HOLD FIRMLY to the ORAL/SPOKEN and WRITTEN TRADITIONS because the Written WORD of God (manuscripts) was not completed yet, which God showed him (St. Paul) in his VISION to the 3rd Heaven where the WORD of God can not be spoken by any Human Being, that was why it must be written by Inspired Men of God guided by the Holy Spirit... to know God's WILL and PREROGATIVES... After the Word of God was finally completed in Individual manuscripts (not compiled as a Book/Bible yet) and distributed to the Early 7 Churches of God in Asia Minor in around 110 A.D. ...All other written manuscripts "after" the REVELATION translated into Greek Text were no longer considered by the Early 7 Churches of God in Asia Minor as INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit... ex. Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Thomas, Judas Iscariot, Nicodemus, Barnabas, Letters of Ignatius, Polycarp, Augustine, Pope's Doctrines, etc... CANONIZATION Doctrine was not taught by Christ Jesus and His Apostles... There had been NO CANONIZATION of the (literal) DEAD SAINTS recorded during the 1st and 2nd Cent. A.D... NONE... Even Blessed Mary or St. Joseph were canonized in the 1st Cent. A.D.... The Apostles were not Canonized after they had been martyrdom... However, only after the 4th Cent. A.D., when the Pagan Roman Empire legalized Christianity... the R.C.C. had Canonized them all... which is NON-BIBLICAL, considered Traditions of Men... not of God... Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically, Historically, and Logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@jvlp2046]

My understanding of "Justification by Faith Alone (Sola Fide)" means thru the Grace of God, "FAITH" (not work) must come FIRST "alone" before "GOOD WORKS" (Charity of Love/Deeds) that are pleasing in the sight of God, begins/starts... It can not be WORK alone first before FAITH or both Faith and Work thru Grace justifies us at "the same time"... Our Faith Alone in God must come "FIRST" to each individual, then through our Faith in God... the FRUITS of Good Works (Charity of Love/Deeds) will manifest or reflect on us thru the grace of God in Christ Jesus as "EVIDENCE" to our Faith... Yes, it is true... the Bible said, "FAITH without WORK is a dead faith"... but it did not say,... "WORK without FAITH is a dead work."... Christ said, No works/deeds of man can be justified in the sight of God unless Faith thru Grace of God must come first to man... and that Faith is thru HIs Son, Christ Jesus... after that, our Charity of Love/Deeds begins/starts throughout our life in Christ and that is where our DEEDS will be judged by God on His Judgement Day (Rev. 20:12 / Roman 2:6/14:10-12)... Therefore, FAITH "alone" must come FIRST before Good Works (Charity of Love/Deeds) begins/starts for those who truly repented and believe in God... Can not be the other way around... Amen.

[@josephmartin4343]

Faith IS a work, which we are able to do by the grace of God.

[@jvlp2046]

@@josephmartin4343 FAITH is a Noun and not a Verb, FYI... John 15:5/paraphrase... "I AM the Vine (Christ), you are the Branches (Christians), my Father is the Gardener (God), any branches attached to the Vine that does NOT BEAR (verb=Work/Deed) FRUIT (Charity of Love), the Gardener (God) will take away (remove/cut-off), and any branches attached to the Vine (Christ) that Bear (verb) FRUITS, the Gardener will prune the branches to BEAR (verb=works/deeds) more FRUITS (Charity of Love)." Therefore, even if you are already attached to the VINE (Christ) or a believer/follower, if the Branches (Christians) do not "bear fruits," the Gardener will take away (cut-off/remove). Thus, Faith (noun) without Work/Deed (verb) is a "DEAD FAITH" (James 2:17/paraphrased)... Amen...

[@josephmartin4343]

@@jvlp2046 i never claimed faith to be a verb. Eph. 2:8 “By grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God”.

[@jvlp2046]

@@josephmartin4343 You said it clearly, "Faith (noun) is a WORK (verb)"... It is like saying "Noun is a Verb."... Read carefully what Ephesian 2:8-9 says... Q?.. whose Grace?... from God Q?... Which Faith?... from Christ Jesus Q?... Who is Saved by their Faith?... Gentiles/Jews/Atheists (non-believers)... Q?... Who Worked (verb) to save the Gentiles/Jews/Atheists... Christ Jesus by dying (verb) on the Cross to remit/take (verb) the Sin of Humanity. After receiving the Salvation, thru the Grace (Mercy) of God and Faith in Christ by Repentance and Water Baptism in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Q?... When is SALVATION becomes a reality?... after we DIE (Death)... Christ said, "YOU WILL BE SAVED" (Future Progressive Tense)... q?... What will you do with your FAITH in Christ while still alive on earth?... John 14:15/paraphrased. Christ said, "If anyone LOVES (verb) ME (Christ) DO (verb) and KEEP/REMAIN/STAY (verb) My (Christ, not Moses Law) Commandments... "Loves, do, keep/remain/stay" are all verbs = WORKS/DEEDS = Charity of Love (the Fruits).

[@truckdriver8416]

@@jvlp2046 work is an act. As in the book of Acts which can just as easily be titled the book of works. Work can be either a noun or a verb. Faith is the same thing as works therefore it can be a verb as easily as it can be considered a noun. We're speaking from the Greek into the English who cares if it's a verb or a noun.

[@timothykwoh6172]

Protestantism is anarchy when followed to its logical conclusion. Khomyakhov pointed this out.

[@perseus6024]

No, it's not. We have structure and doctrines of belief.

[@jacobmartinez5263]

@@perseus6024Picky choosey either way

[@perseus6024]

@jacobmartinez5263 No, it's not. You and other people just want quick and easy answers for everything. The Bible even states that some doctrines or concepts in it are difficult to understand (2nd peter 3:16). Catholicism and orthodoxy just give you and other people an easy way out because everything is laid out for you.

[@jacobmartinez5263]

⁠@@perseus6024An easy way out huh? Says the one who believes that mentally acknowledging Jesus is enough rather than actually doing what he says and heeding to his commandments (speaking of Protestant doctrine at least, idk about you). So if that’s the case, you follow a weak, lukewarm and flavorless gospel that has nothing to do with the Christ of history and his church. Good riddance, and good luck marinating in your prelest.

[@perseus6024]

@jacobmartinez5263 I do not follow those doctrines, and that is not what classical protestants claim. All i am saying is that spiritual matters are not simple. The appeal that Catholicism and Easter orthodoxy have for people is that they claim to have it all figured out. That brings a sense of comfort to people even though their models are incomplete as well. What I love about Protestants is that we acknowledge that we don't know everything and we attempt to come up with consistent and coherent models of spiritual truth. We are open to the exploration of people to see and develop models to best explain parts of the Bible. OP would call our differences as anarchy, but this perspective is incorrect. It is just Christians exploring different models to best explain objective spiritual truth, like scientists comes up with models to best explain natural phenomena, so do protestants come up with frameworks and models to understand spiritual phenomenon and interpretation. I should call in to Jay's live stream to explain this to him. This whole anarchy understanding is not correct. Protestantism allows the most freedom of spiritual exploration without anathematizing people.

[@4usgardens]

Been a long haul through protestant failure Influences. Your ability to refer Bible topics throughout is my memory of scripture. The overall 'milk Effect' in people's lives proves falling apart, not increased in God's riches. Ephesians & II Peter chpt 1 ...the Lord HAS given all things for LIFE & Godliness, to Faith Add virtue, knowledge ((God's knowledge))... If you have these 8 listed, you will be Fruitful, Not barren; are my favs.

[@Orthoindian]

that was nice..wish I could continue watching..

[@jvlp2046]

St. Paul said, God never put DISTINCTION among the Children of God, neither Jew nor Greek, slave or free, male or female, for you are "ALL ONE" with Christ Jesus... (ref. Galatian 3:28). By the Doctrine of CANONIZATION of some Dead into SAINTHOOD, the R.C.C. declaring or putting an elevated level of DISTINCTIONS among the Children of God... that is against God's WILL and WORD (written Holy Scripture)... As if having 2 Distinctive BRIDE of Christ Jesus after they DIED... one declared as Alive SAINT (ex. Blessed Mary, Apostles, Prophets, Martyrs, etc.), and the other undeclared Dead SAINT, perhaps in purgatory (ex. Shem, Japeth, Ham, and their wives, Noah's wife, Lot, Sons and Daughter of Jacob/Israel and their wives, King David, Samson, the Wise Men who visited infant Jesus in Bethlehem, etc.)... Take Note: Satan will do many miracles and wonders for these Dead followers of God, such as INCORRUPTABLE dead Flesh, MIRACLE of HEALING, GRANTING what their HEARTS DESIRES (financial/power/longer life, etc.), and APPARITIONS... for the purpose of DECEIVING even the ELECT to be the basis of R.C.C. CANONIZATION... (ref. Matt. 24:24)... Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically and Logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen...

[@zachmcconnell2042]

Where is part 2 on his website? I’m a member but can’t find exactly where it’s located

[@JayDyer]

In the members section under theology. use ctrl f

[@JayDyer]

Found it. It's titled Justification by Faith Alone? - Free Half - Part 2 Audio - Part 2 KZbin

[@keltonschleyer6367]

Still answering comments section questions almost a year later? Dyer is a real one.

[@hammer6854]

6:24 - 7:20 such a good explaination

[@jvlp2046]

Christ Jesus/Yeshua never called Simon bar-Jonah as PETER (Petra) in Greek but CEPHA in Hebrew-Aramaic which means (coble) STONE ... Christ Jesus is the foundational ROCK (Large boulder of Stone) upon God's Church was built where the gates of HELL will not prevail... Logically speaking, what is the purpose of the "1st Resurrection of the Dead in Christ" if through/by CANONIZATION Doctrine, which the R.C.C. believed as the BINDING Authority in Heaven and on Earth, can declare that the Dead Saints are already ALIVE in Heaven with God... NON-SENSE... this contradicted with the WORD OF GOD (Written Holy Scripture)... "The (literal) DEAD knows NOTHING." (ref. Eccles. 9:5)... Take Note: A Righteous Man of God will not use his BINDING/LOOSING Authority that will contradict the WILL and WORD OF GOD... It must always be our PRIORITY to do the WILL of GOD first... just like what Christ Jesus said, "NOT MY (Christ) WILL BUT THY (God) WILL BE DONE." God gave the WRITTEN Word of God to His CHURCH as a "MEASURING STICK or GUIDE RULES"... St. Paul said in advance knowing that the "Word of God" will be completed after he died, "DO NOT GO BEYOND/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN." (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6)... if we do exceed... "FOR GOD's CURSE (Anathema/Eternal Damnation/Condemnation) WILL FALL UPON US." (ref. Galatians 1:8)... St Paul had foreseen this completion of God's WORD (Written Inspired/Holy Scripture) when God took him from his VISION to the 3rd Heaven. Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically and Logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@jvlp2046]

God/YHWH through the Holy Spirit had preserved the WORD of GOD (Inspired Holy Scriptures) till now... Canonization was not taught nor commanded by God to God's CHURCH... created by R.C.C. only... God never canonized the Apostles, Blessed Mary, Prophets, and Dead Saints... What is CANONIZATION... the R.C.C.'s doctrine of Declaring an Official Admission of Dead Saint to SAINTHHOOD... declaring they are already ALIVE with God in Heaven... which is NON-BIBLICAL... "For the DEAD KNOWS NOTHING." (ref. Eccles. 9:5)... The Dead Saints in Christ will be part of the "1st Resurrection of the Dead in Christ Jesus"... Logically speaking, what is the purpose of the 1st Resurrection of the Dead, if the Dead Saints are already ALIVE in Heaven with God upon CANONIZATION?... NON-BIBLICAL Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically and Logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@angelocos1]

Hounds of hell???? I knew it! Why didn't you just wear a Megadeath shirt!!!!

[@connorohare229]

So how do you tell you're on the right path when actually having faith in Christ?

[@nemomcdoesntexist377]

Anybody have a link to the Discord?

[@George-ur8ow]

John "Pinocchio" Calvin, predestined for Rhinoplasty

[@byknutz]

Orthodoxy, it's the Papacy it just changed the name to (oral traditon) biggest hypocritical redundant doctrine of demons. Your the biggest miss interpreting group of people there are. Predestination? That's not even close to being sin, it's wrong in your own opinion. Now, kissing dead saints hands? Confessing sins to a priest? Sola scriptura is wrong? Imagine.... hey look brother, it's Jesus coming for "the church" wait...... He's speaking. Well, he's all wrong, sola scriptura! Sola scriptura! Can you beleieve that! He actually thought His word alone could save us.

[@jvlp2046]

The Bible narrated that Christ Jesus had done many things (TRADITIONS) that are not written down, but "THESE" are written down so that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God... (John 20: 30-31/paraphrased)... What does the word "THESE" means?... it means ONLY those that Christ Jesus had done that God does allow to be written down have some needed IMPORTANCE in our Salvation... but those that Christ had done that God does not allow to be written down have no bearings (no importance) for us to BELIEVE, OBEY and IMPLEMENT towards our Salvation... Analogy... Just like ALL the VISIONS that Apostle John had seen but not all that was seen were asked by the Angel to be written down... (Rev. 10:4)... the same analogy... therefore, ANYTHING seen and done in the past that God does not allow to be written down, must not be implemented or believed... ONLY those that God allowed to be written down, logically speaking... Amen...

[@ВладимирЧерников-л5ч]

Who canonized and preserved the bible?

[@jvlp2046]

@@ВладимирЧерников-л5ч God/YHWH through the Holy Spirit had preserved the WORD of GOD (Inspired Holy Scriptures) till now... Canonization was not taught nor commanded by God to God's CHURCH... created by R.C.C. only... God never canonized the Apostles, Blessed Mary, Prophets, and Dead Saints... What is CANONIZATION... the R.C.C.'s doctrine of Declaring an Official Admission of Dead Saint to SAINTHHOOD... declaring they are already ALIVE with God in Heaven... which is NON-BIBLICAL... "For the DEAD KNOWS NOTHING." (ref. Eccles. 9:5)... The Dead Saints in Christ will be part of the "1st Resurrection of the Dead in Christ Jesus"... Logically speaking, what is the purpose of the 1st Resurrection of the Dead, if the Dead Saints are already ALIVE in Heaven with God upon CANONIZATION?... NON-BIBLICAL Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically and Logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@ВладимирЧерников-л5ч]

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 is written from the Old Testament perspective on death, after christ it is a whole new reality, the souls of everyone prior went to hades, now after christ they experience either a foretast of heaven or hell, The "dead know nothing" refers to the separation of the soul from the body and from worldly affairs, not a denial of the soul’s continued existence or consciousness. The 1st resurrection is the inward spiritual ressurectiin of the individual after baptism, The 2nd ressurection is the general ressurection of all for final judgement etc, If you read the church fathers you will understand the meanings of these things You still didnt really answer about the bibles canonization, why are we required to use the books we have and why cant we add to it or take certain books away? Its Because the church's descision was binding, they had authority from god to do this because church is the body if christ, how do you think we got a complete authoritative list of books that cant be changed?

[@jvlp2046]

@@ВладимирЧерников-л5ч The English word CANONIZATION by definition is a R.C.C. doctrine that elevates the literal Dead into SAINTHOOD by proclaiming them ALIVE with God in Heaven, which is contrary to the Written WORD of God (Inspire Holy Scripture)... The "BINDING and LOOSING" authority was given only to Apostle CEPHA (Simon Bar-Jonah) with means in Hebrew-Aramaic as STONE... Christ Jesus is the ROCK (boulder/large stone) upon which God had built His CHURCH, and not from Apostle CEPHA... Why did God give that authority?... because the "WORD of God" had not yet been written down by Inspired Men guided by the Holy Spirit.., it took around 70 years after Christ Jesus' Death, Resurrection, and Ascension into Heaven around 30 or 33 A.D. to finally completed the Individual manuscripts after the Gospel of John and Revelation to John were written and distributed to the 7 Churches of God in Asia Minor around 110 A.D. ... Take Note:... The Oral/Spoken Tradition must not contradict the Written Tradition (Word of God)... Why because the WORD OF GOD is MORE THAN ENOUGH (not incomplete)... All Scripture is God-breathed for Teaching, Correcting, Reproofing, Instructing, and Training in Righteousness... (ref. 2 Tim. 3:16)... When God/Christ fed the 3,000 and 5,000 men not counting women and children, the Apostles had collected many LEFTOVERS after all have been satisfied... To God, "The SPIRIT gives life, while the FLESH profits Nothing... How much more "God's WORD" for Mankind which is the FOOD of the Soul/Spirit... will God give INSUFFICIENT (Incompleted) Written WORD of God (Inspired Holy Scriptures)?... NOPE... The WORD of God is SUFFICIENT enough... because God is the God of "MORE THAN ENOUGH"... EL-SHADDAI, the "All Sufficient-One." (ref. Isaiah 40:16 / 2 Corinthians 9:8 / Ephesians 3:20)... God's WORD is SUFFICIENT enough, that does not need any ADDITIONAL DOCTRINES from Mankind... God's WORD (written) can STAND alone for Mankind. St. Paul said before he was martyrdom in around 67 A.D. to "HOLD FIRMLY to the ORAL/SPOKEN and WRITTEN TRADITIONS because the Written WORD of God (manuscripts) was not completed yet, which God showed him (St. Paul) in his VISION to the 3rd Heaven where the WORD of God can not be spoken by any Human Being, that was why it must be written by Inspired Men of God guided by the Holy Spirit... to know God's WILL and PREROGATIVES... After the Word of God was finally completed in Individual manuscripts (not compiled as a Book/Bible yet) and distributed to the Early 7 Churches of God in Asia Minor in around 110 A.D. All other written manuscripts "after" the REVELATION translated into Greek Text were no longer considered by the Early 7 Churches of God in Asia Minor as INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit... ex. Gospel of Mary Magdalene, Thomas, Judas Iscariot, Nicodemus, Barnabas, Letters of Ignatius, Polycarp, Augustine, Pope's Doctrines, etc... CANONIZATION Doctrine was not taught by Christ Jesus and His Apostles... There had been NO CANONIZATION of the (literal) DEAD SAINTS recorded during the 1st and 2nd Cent. A.D... NONE... Even Blessed Mary or St. Joseph were canonized in the 1st Cent. A.D.... The Apostles were not Canonized after they had been martyrdom... However, only after the 4th Cent. A.D., when the Pagan Roman Empire legalized Christianity... the R.C.C. had Canonized them all... which is NON-BIBLICAL, considered Traditions of Men... not of God... Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically, Historically, and Logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@jvlp2046]

@@ВладимирЧерников-л5ч Christ Jesus/Yeshua never called Simon bar-Jonah as PETER (Petra) in Greek but CEPHA in Hebrew-Aramaic which means (coble) STONE ... Christ Jesus is the foundational ROCK (Large boulder of Stone) upon God's Church was built where the gates of HELL will not prevail... Logically speaking, what is the purpose of the "1st Resurrection of the Dead in Christ" if through/by CANONIZATION Doctrine, which the R.C.C. believed as the BINDING Authority in Heaven and on Earth, can declare that the Dead Saints are already ALIVE in Heaven with God... NON-SENSE... this contradicted with the WORD OF GOD (Written Holy Scripture)... "The (literal) DEAD knows NOTHING." (ref. Eccles. 9:5)... Take Note: A Righteous Man of God will not use his BINDING/LOOSING Authority that will contradict the WILL and WORD OF GOD... It must always be our PRIORITY to do the WILL of GOD first... just like what Christ Jesus said, "NOT MY (Christ) WILL BUT THY (God) WILL BE DONE." God gave the WRITTEN Word of God to His CHURCH as a "MEASURING STICK or GUIDE RULES"... St. Paul said in advance knowing that the "Word of God" will be completed after he died, "DO NOT GO BEYOND/EXCEED WHAT IS WRITTEN." (ref. 1 Corin. 4:6)... if we do exceed... "FOR GOD's CURSE (Anathema/Eternal Damnation/Condemnation) WILL FALL UPON US." (ref. Galatians 1:8)... St Paul had foreseen this completion of God's WORD (Written Inspired/Holy Scripture) when God took him from his VISION to the 3rd Heaven. Facts and Truth of the Matters, Biblically and Logically speaking... Praise be to God in Christ Jesus... Amen.

[@DeoCreative]

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[@sojjjer]

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[@halodroidz]

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[@RoseannaPonturo]

OK I had to end this with Christ relationship with the Torah. Christ does not have a relationship with the Torah. HE came ...everything else gets left behind.... it's now the 10 commandments. that's what you are to obey... not the Torah. And what we're talking about here is this is not restoring some kind of relationship. . Restoring creation - ?what is that. it's forgiveness ....your sins are forgiven . your original sin is forgiven in baptism. Your redemption is in His suffering and death on the cross you are now forgiven souls through confession to a priest....the only ones with that power.....and thereby worthy to be with the Lord. however you still have your life to live and you'd better be following those 10 commandments . you can acknowledge Jesus all you like but you'd better also be obeying His commandments. God in the form of flesh is not man...but God. God ..yesterday ...tomorro always and ever.

[@countryboyred]

Christ doesn’t have a relationship with the Torah? What? Do you deny the validity of the Old Testament?

[@CharlesDickens111]

My problem with Orthodoxy is that it is static and doesn't evangelize. Nearly all the people risking their lives preaching worldwide for the past 3 centuries have been Protestants.

[@henrik_worst_of_sinners]

So you judge by works 😉 Ubi Petrus channel has just released the first of three videos which cover Orthodox evangelisation. To your credit the protestants have been good at this work. But follow Ubis series on the subject to get a wider perspective. If you are sincere in your criticism you might want to consider doing that.

[@coltonthedrummer]

I find it funny reading this comment because I just finished watching a video about Orthodox evangelization lol

[@alypius9409]

Simply not true, I see new missions in foreign countries everyday. Just because you aren't aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Orthodoxy is in almost every single country now.

[@Joanna-rf9cr]

Many Orthodox evangelize a lot. There's great channels such as Jay's and Kabane's. We could do much better, admittedly. I think it's because there's a certain humbleness about Orthodoxy. Many of us strive to evangelize through how we live. I make the sign of the cross when out, and am happy to discuss my icon corner to those who are at my house. Also I am working on writing a book. We follow the Russian calendar and fast a lot, so those around me are aware we are Orthodox, but it doesn't always have to be pushy. If someone has questions about it, I am happy to evangelize.

[@JayDyer]

Totally false kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHzWnaV4fNBlY6s

[@nooneleftbehind3648]

I don’t believe in denominations, Jesus said do not stop the people casting out demons in my name, whoever is not against us is for us. So denominations really fall apart if you take this scripture into account. How can there be one true denomination if Jesus said do not stop them? Jesus didn’t check their theology before letting them cast out devils in his name. There are many false interpretations and traditions, however our salvation comes through our belief and obedience to Christ and what he taught. Not what the churches teach. Luke 9 49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

[@JetShanghai]

We Orthodox do not believe in denominations, either! We believe God made ONE Church. The original Church made in 33AD by Christ Himself. Please, find the truth in Orthodoxy, my friend! God loves you! We welcome you! I used to be non-denominational and think denominations were silly, myself. If anything, Orthodoxy is pre-denominational. If Christ didn't 'do theology checks,' why did He warn us of false prophets who spoke falsehoods? Or why did St. Paul speak of wolves in sheep's clothing in the congregation? If our differences ultimately did not matter, Christianity would look VERY different than it has in the past.

[@nooneleftbehind3648]

@@JetShanghai It sounds like you’re still denominational to me. Do you believe everyone outside of Orthodoxy is going to hell?

[@JetShanghai]

@@nooneleftbehind3648 No. You didn't even address any of my points, by the way.

[@nooneleftbehind3648]

@@JetShanghai How do you know Christ wasn’t warning us about the Orthodox Church? So you have the truth and everyone else is wrong? How do you know your church history hasn’t been manipulated to make it look like the true church? Were you there 2,000 years ago?

[@realityisreality3581]

@@nooneleftbehind3648 How do you know Christ wasn't warning about YOU?