PS2 Destroys PS1! Tekken Tag Tournament Arcade vs PS2!

[@alecwhite4852]

Going from Tekken 3 to Tekken Tag to Tekken 4 in the span of just a few years was crazy. Graphics were moving so fast back then, it was an exciting time.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It was seriously mind blowing how quickly things progressed

[@demigodmac]

Not sure if you're aware but the arcade has an option to improve the graphics: if you go into the DIP Switch settings there is an Interlaced video mode that boosts the resolution. The PS2 version is still light years ahead but it does make the arcade look significantly better than its default settings. The same can be done with Soul Calibur arcade.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Interlaced can mess with the gameplay speed on occasion in MAME

[@santitabnavascues8673]

Tekken Tag Tournament was to be arcade exclusive, there wasn't plans for a console release until Sony, literally, forced Namco to make it for the PS2 launch.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

A smart move from Sony

[@JimProfit357]

Tekken Tag was ported to PS3 as well. Though nowadays, I believe PCSX2 with widescreen + no interlacing patches is the definitive way to go, I have no clue if you could get widescreen on RPCS3... Edit: The PS3 is natively widescreen. There's a nice textures pack on PCSX2 so it still wins at the moment.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I almost included the PS3 version but I wanted this to be about evolutionary change in hardware

[@Marcus_K]

Many people, me included, have nostalgia for PS1 era Tekken and its iconic low-poly looks. Tekken 3 is generally the most fondly remembered Tekken. The arcade version of Tag Tournament uses the same graphics engine as Tekken 3. Some of its stages are gorgeous, like the HK back alley, the sunset stage and the snow stage.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Honestly from a personal perspective I find the PS1 look more iconic than PS2

[@SRC267]

I wish that the PS3 version of TTT had single pkayer mode like the PS2 version. Playing it in RPCS3 with enhancements is grest. Might look to see if there's a texture pack for the PS2 one, so I'll just go back to that.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Always an option if there is one

[@mashakos1]

I have huge nostalgia for the arcade versions of tekken tag and soulcalibur. Wish an emulator like duckstation supported namco system 12

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I am surprised Duckstation hasn’t tackled the arcade PSX titles yet

[@alexsayskmk]

​@@VideoGameEsoterica Stenzek dont want just like he removed the scheduled Arcade support from PCSX2.

[@faikhozen5963]

thing is tekken tag 1 in arcade is preferred competitively

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes it def doesn’t effect gameplay

[@sneharashmi7553]

@@VideoGameEsoterica Sure! Making a video without fact checking does confirm that right. A simple Wikpedia search would tell you that there were balance changes which of course, tournament players would notice. And you are factually wrong when in your video you say the PS2 is faster than the arcade. It's not. Play the arcade version for a week & then play the PS2 version & tell me with a straight face that you don't feel the lag. It's 2 frames extra. Even loading times are faster on arcade. It would be nice if you research properly & then make videos. I understand personal tastes & difference of opinion but factually wrong info is just plain bad journalism.

[@robotstampede]

Tekken 2 has the best soundtrack, this is a fact.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I don’t know what I’d say my fav fighting game soundtrack would be

[@heavysystemsinc.]

Namco used to bring the goods with home releases. Hell, all companies used to bring the goods with home releases. Namco would add extra games on their Tekken and Ridge Racer series. Tekken Ball, Tekken Bowl, Tekken Brawl, Dark Something another (I forget the name) which is basically a full budget Namco platformer, Tekken 5 also had arcade perfect versions of Tekken 1 2 and 3.... Now, you pay full price to get to look into the store window that has the rest of the game.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The golden era of good games

[@AZBCDE]

Excellent video for one of my favourite fighting games of all time

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

So glad you enjoyed

[@PlasmaSnake369]

The 3 things I remember about the launch of the PS2 was this was like the only game for it at first, they had a weird sci-fi commercial for the "PS9", and stories of people getting robbed in the parking lot of Best Buy for their PS2's

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

There were robberies in Chicago for PS5 too. Lotta muggings

[@TexasHollowEarth]

Hey now..... Armored Core 2 was also a U.S. PS2 launch title. AC2 + Another Age are my favorite games in the entire AC series 👍👍

[@rockhyde7775]

I found a reprint copy at my local game shop and it was quite cheap. Don’t regret picking that one up. But of all the Tekken releases on the PS2, Tekken 5 is easily the best. Probably the best fighting game on the PS2, like ever.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

All the tekkens are thankfully still a good price for the most part

[@TexasHollowEarth]

Nice! The game had issues with it's initial release at the Japanese PS2 launch. It had really bad jaggies on the character models. I was SO impressed that they polished off the rough edges (literally) for the U.S. PS2 launch 👍👍

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha dad joke for the win

[@breakingbadfan77]

how can i play the arcade version of tekken tag tournament on PC like does it work on pcsx2 and stuff im tryna to search it but i cant find anything

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

MAME. Only works in MAME

[@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA]

Would still be a sight to behold if we could play Soul Calibur and Tekken Tag Tournament on MiSTer

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

One day they will both be on FPGA

[@Wobble2007]

For now at least, you can play the best fighter of all time, Soul Blade (Soul~Edge) on PS1.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

You’ll be happy next year at some point then with a new retrospective I made haha

[@PM-xc8oo]

I've never seen sales numbers so I'm not sure about the actual best selling launch title but at least in the circles I was a part of, this was by far the most popular PS2 launch title (though Timesplitters was my personal favorite). I lived in my college dorms at the time and any given night you could hear this game being played all over the place.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Timesplitters was the game I spent the most time with too

[@balaam_7087]

This was the first time I watched one of your videos with the sound on (until now I’ve just had them playing in the background and watching them as I do other things). Bro, I can’t understand a word you’re saying. I hope you consider enunciating, as I’m sure you have a wealth of knowledge and cool insights to share, but until then I have to go back to captions and watching in the background. It’s just one long string of gobbledegook 🤣

[@METR0lD]

🦻👁👄👁🦻

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

You can keep using the captions

[@PlasmaSnake369]

Sounds like the problem is with you

[@Wobble2007]

Cottonbuds mate, use them.

[@SNKev411]

The ending for tekken characters are the most ridiculous endings 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The storylines are maybe the most hilariously stupid in all of fighting games but in a fun way

[@JBalmoreS]

Makes me wonder if the playstation had a ram expansion would it have been able to achieve tekken tag mechanics.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Possibly. That was always the factor that held things back. Not enough ram to keep all the models loaded at once

[@Riz2336]

I kind of like the lower polygon look of the original arcade but yeah they really improved it for the console

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Yes the PS1 arcade board certainly isn’t bad looking. Same with Soul Calibur from PS1 to Dreamcast

[@redeemer021]

With the success of Soul Calibur on Dreamcast, I always wondered why Namco didnt released TTT on DC as well

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Tekken just felt like a PlayStation exclusive back then. Namco didn’t really release on diff consoles for a bit

[@raiseiyuu1898]

​@@VideoGameEsotericaAfter Soul Calibur, they only released a few more games, on Dreamcast, like Mr Driller and some Pacman stuff.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I do love Mr Driller

[@WWammyy]

Yes I wanted Tekken Tag on Dreamcast. But back then Namco was Sonys boy. I often wondered what Tekken would have looked like on the Sega Saturn and N64

[@kosmosyche]

You are right, the arcade version is sort of "Playstation 1 cute", evoking positive emotions based on nostalgia and tons of fun and excitement connected with PS1.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

It has that pure nostalgic PS1 look

[@nishanfernando9314]

The visual upgrade is amazing but sadly it seems like Tag 1 got a gameplay nerf because the gameplay is slower on PS2 compared to the arcade version. It's noticeable if you watch players at a higher skill level. The game is still 60 fps but characters just behave less responsive, maybe its input lag?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’d have to look into that more

[@nishanfernando9314]

@@VideoGameEsoterica It's difficult to explain, but I feel like maybe footage can kinda showcase the difference. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rV7Yl5SVh6aiiMksi=89gyI0QsZJVzgLYx arcade kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4bMlKR7qq6WhLM ps2 The most I've seen online is people saying the PS2 version has "stricter" inputs whereas Tag arcade is more "lenient" like Tekken 3. Other than that though Tag 1 is a brilliant upgrade on PS2.

[@wej4life]

You are not wrong. PS2 version plays "slower" in some aspects than System 12 version. This was something discovered early on by the Tekken competitive scene after PS2 release.

[@WWammyy]

Soul Calibur is the better game by far. But when the PS2 came out I bought an imported one with Tekken Tag, Ridge Racer and Gran Turismo 3. With regards to Tekken Tag the graphics looked like the FMV that we used to love to watch on the PS1. It represented a true generational leap over the PS1. At the time I thought Tekken Tag looks way better than Soul Calibur but these days I do prefer the graphics in Soul Calibur because I'm not looking for that plastic FMV look anymore 😂

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I prefer Soul Calibur myself

[@robbiej111]

Vs. Tag Tournament HD PS3?

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Just wanted to keep this to PS1 vs PS2 like I did for Soul Calibur PS1 vs Dreamcast

[@GamerGee]

Graphics yes. But I prefer the arcade soundtrack. Only ps2 tracks worth hearing is unknown and orge

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Music is one of those super subjective things where what hits for one person doesn’t for the other

[@WWammyy]

Yeah Namco had that millennium kinda sound track. All the pop tunes back then sounded like the Tekken Tag sound track. I wasn't too keen on it either. The PS2 version needs an ost replacement hack

[@M1XART]

I don't care looks that much, but Soul Calibur -series is a real 3D fighters when it comes to character movement. So, i kind of prefer that series as well as Dead Or Alive -series over Tekken. But, Tekken has always been King on production values, like FMV.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Their fmv game was on point in the PS1 and PS2 era

[@pairofsneakerheads]

Still I like the arcade version Tekken 3 graphics more then the PS2 version.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Totally fair. That’s a subjective thing

[@ferrarikangaroo9271]

Wait... was a version of Tekken Tag released on the PS1?? 😯

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

PS1 arcade board

[@b1gland]

@@VideoGameEsoterica An overclocked PS1 hardware. In theory it should be easily ported to PS1 and Namco still decided port to PS2 instead.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Just a timing thing I’d presume

[@thecryingwolf2352]

PS2 just used the FMV models iirc, because they look the exact same as the PS1 FMV models

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Could be

[@Spolupyo]

arcade Tekken 3 and Tekken Tag run at 60fps, PS1 Tekken 3 runs at 30+ fps

[@c2ironfist]

Looking back Namco use to be one of the greats Not sure what happened to them after the PS2 era Their games weren't as impressive in my opinion

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Just kind of got a little more safe in their choices

[@c2ironfist]

@VideoGameEsoterica actually there is one game that really stood out now that I think about it I never imagined Dagon Ball FighterZ would be soo good Previous Dargon Ball Z games were terrible with the exception of Super Dragon Ball Z Before Namco merged with Bandai it was guaranteed a Dragon Ball Z game was not going to be good lol

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

That’s one I’ve yet to play actually

[@METR0lD]

Virtua Fighter > DoA > Tekken! I have spoken!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Haha trying to start fights in the comments. I’d agree. Tekken is at the bottom of my list too That being said Tekken is also legit and we are just spoiled for awesome 3D fighting game franchises

[@TerraFuu]

Tag 1 arcade is faster for sure, more snappy. Everything else is pretty subjective.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Almost all “what’s better” ends up being subjective

[@viewerguy10]

How did I not know there was a PlayStation 2 port of this game? Edit: Nvm I misremembered. Thought the game had 2 official console versions. Ps2 TTT is what I’m familiar with lol

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I expected most people not to know there was an arcade version haha. As most people remember the PS2 version

[@dragongamer2670]

Have the PCB’s again prefer the Arcade. Worked on it last night and ended up fixing it. Graphics are better on console sure. But then again most console ports at games in the 90’s are usually better. But what came first? Just do console game reviews 😂 save the audiences you have and stop wasting my time.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Ooh fun. What did you end up having to fix

[@dragongamer2670]

@@VideoGameEsoterica game uses its own jamma port for the 2 kick buttons. So had to make one for it.

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Ahh yeah extra buttons

[@zordoneltar5571]

I wonder if this was just remade for ps2 because of the tag mechanics, maybe ps1 wasn't capable of pulling it off, holding 4 characters in ram 🤔

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

There are other games with tag mechanics on PS1 so I think the ram could handle it

[@zordoneltar5571]

@VideoGameEsoterica not really, all the Capcom ones had it removed, and the reason the backgrounds in Tekken games were 2D was because of the system limitations, they used all the horse power on the character 3D models and keeping the frame rate at 60

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Doesn’t rival schools still have tag? Or am I muddling the ZN version in my head

[@zordoneltar5571]

@VideoGameEsoterica just assist attacks but no tagging in and out during matches, only at the end of a round can you swap characters

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Assist should mean it has the ram t cover as the models are still loaded

[@Hepponisme]

PS2 was a really fine console, nintendards quite recently kept screaming about "muh dvd player" (even though ive never used my old one, or even meet someone who used one model as such) amazing games, its shovelware quantity is highly exaggerated, game boy color had the worst case imo.

[@TexasHollowEarth]

Nintendo has lots of shovelware systems. DS, Wii, and now the Switch. So much junk in all 3 libraries!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

PS2 was always a fun console. They all were

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Every successful console gets shovelware

[@jiijijjijiijiij]

Kinda stunned to still see genuine Console Wars anger 25 years after the fact lmao. We're all a lot older now and we should be able to let go of these things. That goes double when you're talking about the "winner" of that time period. Some of us were Dreamcast guys!

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

The console wars arguments will never end

[@dragongamer2670]

Just do console game reviews and not Arcade please. Save us the time. 😂 Also the console with the better hardware will always be King! 👑

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

I’m pretty known for doing arcade stuff. So I’m never going to stop making those videos

[@kitestar]

Without Arcade, we wouldn’t even _have_ console/pc

[@VideoGameEsoterica]

Arcade was the future of console gaming that you’d get in 24-36 months at home. Arcades led the charge