Pso2 NGS: 1st Talis Guide

[@Virtuasamsara]

Thanks for this vid--not sure if someone noted it, but swapping weapons, or using another weapon's PA on a multiweapon, will cancel any active stance from the Talis. So it doesn't multi well, especially if you want to use another weapon's basic attack. I'm brand new so I might be wrong, but I tested it today. It's still okay if you only have one skill to use from another weapon, just have to remember to put the stance back on. But you showed me that swapping out of stance is sometimes better, so it's actually not a huge negative if you have another weapon skill to cancel it--and then you don't have to spend a point on Talis Bloom Revoke. I didn't know about the PP gain from certain skills, that's great! Very informative vid, I learned a lot, keep up the good work. :)

[@CGMatsu]

No problem I am always happy to help, and I'm glad you liked the video. It's good to know the video is still helping even now!! I want to say someone noted it. Although it has been a while soo i'm like 60% sure xD! You are correct though it has it's positives/negatives. If utilized wrong multiweaponing Talis is probably not the best investment, but if you remember to use your stances/basic attacks correctly. It's pretty hype and keeps the gameplay a little different from most of the weapons and I love that and a extra SP for another skill tree option :D! **Sorry this is late my KZbin usually tells me when I have a message >:O**

[@HowlingDoom]

This is a very well done guide for talis. I really like how they reworked the weapon to be more engaging and fun to use but damn is it way more complex than what it orginally was, so this helps A LOT! Keep up the good work my dude!

[@CGMatsu]

Thanks Ghost!!! I appreciate that a lot! I love what they did with Talis as well, it was lacking LOTs in Pso2 so I am glad they gave it some love and complexity this time around. I did a lot of running around and soloing to make sure I could give as much correct info as I could while also learning new things! The part that sucked the most was redoing my script when I found out something new haha xD! The comments I get help me test out new things they think of and learn more so I'm glad people are watching the video

[@CGMatsu]

PP consumption per stance / Uncharged & Charged PAs (**Thank you Temmie for bringing this up, I should've had that in the video**) ST Stance (Convergence Shot - 15 PP for initial use), 8 PP to use altered PAs afterwards AoE Stance (Spread shot 3 - 20 PP for initial use), 10 PP to use altered PAs afterwards AoE Stance (Spread shot 6 - 20 PP for initial use ), 12 PP to use altered PAs afterwards Regular PAs PP consumption - Foie - 15 PP / Gifoie - 20 PP Barta - 16 PP / Gibarta - 21 PP Zonde - 18 PP / Gizonde - 23 PP

[@rusty2969]

Absolute legend! I felt so lost running around with a Talis just spamming my M1 😂 Thanks Matsu!

[@CGMatsu]

Haha happy to help Rusty!!

[@NewtonSparetire]

Fun fact using the dash after every normal makes it come out faster and allows for better survivability( I duo-ed a pse burst with a random yesterday and I destroyed the mob while he focused the boss. Also when u multiweapon with talis like I did, using any ability from another weapon cancels the talis form u currently have up so that one skill becomes pointless

[@CGMatsu]

Noted! I also really like the dash basic attack from talis it looks so smooth when my character does it xD! OHHH thank you for that tip because I was soo curious to know whether or not the talis stances just disappear or just stay around you like when you have talis equipped! Since lack of money I didn't want to Multiweapon my 3 star soo Im trying to hold out till I get my other 4star multiweapon

[@michaelsnow1736]

Yeah. I thought that was neat. I’m just playing on techter and force right now so I used a rod to multi weapon with my talis so I could shield for extra defense. Discovered it cancels out stances.

[@sirisknite]

I've been using Talis because with simplified movement I didn't need to know to use it. Also since so few people use Talis I was able to pick up a 4 star for only 2k from the player shop.

[@CGMatsu]

I haven't tried the simplified movement, does it move for you? Or just spaces your character?Yeah all the gunner guides and ppl only playing Gu and Ra is making the gun market rise while every other class is still fairly low and you can snipe it before it becomes truly popular

[@sirisknite]

@@CGMatsu Simplified movement doesn't actually move you, it just auto chooses your attacks, photon arts. Its also supposed to auto pick element that enemy is weak against. But I've noticed it using all three elements. It was good when there was lag, or when you don't feel like putting in much effort, you just hold the button down and it spams attacks. But after watching this vid I feel like even the AI doesn't know how to fully use the talis. I don't think I ever get the aoe attacks.

[@wilazn]

Wow, this had to be the most detailed and informing talis guide I have seen. appreciate the time you put into this. talis seems so fun and i want to learn techter, just seems like it has such a steep learning curve which kind of turns me away from it.

[@CGMatsu]

Thanks brother! I appreciate that! I tried to put as much information as I could think and write about. I'm glad I got a lot of positive feedback from it I was honestly scared to post it haha! The curve may seem steep but give it sometime and you'll get hooked and learn lots quickly :D! Shoot i'm still learning mostly trying to find a good multiweapon with it if I can.

[@wilazn]

@@CGMatsu I've noticed that you can multi weapon off class weapons and still use the weapon action from it. Do you use the flip/dodge WA from the TMG? I have a TMG/wire Lance on my gunner and I'm Gu/Fo on it. Being able to use the wires to zip around is a godsend.

[@temmie7959]

Nice video. I think it's also important to note that the pp consumption per shots varies based on talis "stances". Correct me if I'm wrong about it.

[@CGMatsu]

Thank you Temmie I appreciate that, and you're very correct! I should've put that in the video but Ill pin that at the top of the video as the "Initial start of the spell PP cost is completely different from after you start using the altered PA forms.

[@Cd3]

Solid info, slay it king! I'm subbed. New content means mad growth. Whats going on in this mad soup of PSO info

[@CGMatsu]

Thanks brother! I greatly appreciate that! I'm sorry this is late I have been overwhelmed with a lot of ideas for videos that I'm terrible at thinking of my next move lol! I will have a good amount of videos this month for new/returning/veterans players :D!

[@nivek4321]

Not sure if this is a tip One of Talis weakness is not having a guard/parry, luckily we can negate that weakness using the multi-weapon (example: Vialto Talis/Saber) this has 2 benefits: 1. acquiring the guard/parry weapon-action 2. you can easily remove the Talis stance by using the multi-weapon normal attack or weapon-action. You can use this instead of the Talis Bloom Revoke. You can also save 1 skill point. sorry if my grammar is bad

[@CGMatsu]

It is definitely a tip, sorry this is late!! Saving another skill point is always good also if you need an point for something else vital! Your grammar was perfect also haha

[@thesheepersgame5199]

I started using the talis a few days ago and I'm loving it especially during PSE burst where you could spam AOE's quickly. Low damage compared to unstanced techniques but the rate of fire compensates for it.

[@CGMatsu]

My brother knows!!!! Low damage/PP consumption but fast fire rate

[@badumtss2978]

sub machine gun

[@ShiroCh_ID]

this is why i want to try using Twin Machine Gun and Talis as Multi weapon oh btw my Main/Sub was Gu/Fo

[@TheOTKGameplay]

Eve from elsword = like, great video! Cant wait to play talis

[@CGMatsu]

Thank you thank you and yes Talis!

[@TheOTKGameplay]

@@CGMatsu which subclass do u think is better Te/Fo or Te/Fi?

[@SparkZ009]

I've grown to love the talis as I scienced the different PA's. Now im thinking about investing in it fully.

[@CGMatsu]

Yes do it! Spread the love of talis to the world 🥳😍

[@andymcdermott2108]

An alternative to using the cancel talent is to use a multi weapon. For instance using the Rod default attack like this while a talis stance is active cancels that stance early. I use rod/talis for the slightly higher dmg default attack and the excellent block on rod and the better synergy with force talent tree.

[@CGMatsu]

Good to know I’ve been waiting to know but multi my Talis but I don’t want to spend money till I get my resurgir with fixa lv5 xD

[@FuIIDiveVR]

my mans said pog.. now that's pretty pog

[@CGMatsu]

xDDD I love it

[@ShiroCh_ID]

how about Twin Machine Gun/Talis maybe it was a good AOE/SIngle Target

[@CGMatsu]

It's very good ST (Autos from Machine gun)/ Aoe From Techs If done like that. Te/Gu was my main when I did play rather consistently. I wouldn't have as much knowledge since the game has been patching a lot more so new things and changes. I will say I think Talis/Machine Guns or Machine/Talis is the best combination if your main is Techer. The PP regen from Autos from Machine guns AA + its evasive abilities, allowing faster uncharged Tech abilities spam is just too great (Probably why they won't allow vialto Twin Guns/Talis xDDD).. If you're Gu/Te I dont think it would be **as** good. Compared to Te/Gu

[@ShiroCh_ID]

@@CGMatsu well i was thinking using Gu/Fo with Talis instead of rod

[@CGMatsu]

@@ShiroCh_ID Ahhh I see, yes Force definitely a better option as a Subclass. Force primarily focuses on Rod primarily skilltree so you might get more benefits from testing out TMG(Twin Machine Guns)/Rod > TMG/Talis. The best thing from talis with TMG I want to say is the little auto turret talisman you throw in the air but I don't recall if it disappears when you switch to TMG PAs or autos

[@ShiroCh_ID]

@@CGMatsu well might as well try that thing of course i need to unlock multiweapon since it was still locked

[@dlvarcade9729]

Also Techter main but I’ve mostly been using it for Shifta/Deband and playing it as a Rifle Ranger. Rifle’s Homing Dart is a killer aoe. I’m considering making Talis/Rifle Te/Gu and doing what you’re showing in this video but using Homing Dart for mobbing. Thanks for all the info.

[@CGMatsu]

Sorry this was late, I just discovered an easy way to reply to comments I haven't responded to yet

[@lehoaggron2177]

Just tried talis, its so much fun XD

[@CGMatsu]

Glad you enjoy it!!

[@sirisknite]

Oh, I was thinking the pillbox skill was useless because it only does like 1 or 2 dmg. But if it helps regen PP, I guess that does help a little bit.

[@CGMatsu]

Yup yup! It's not a significant difference but some is better than none I say ^>^

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

I also love Eve from Elsword. Talis was my main weapon in Pso2. This looks even better.

[@CGMatsu]

Eve lovers unite!! Ikr I definitely love what they did with talis

[@raystrife234]

I play Fighter-knuckles and Techter-Talis for the all around coverage for both smash face and elemental weakness advantage as well as photon blast spamming. Also because I like the acronym when you combine both... FiTe hehe

[@CGMatsu]

Nice nice! I’ll have to try out knuckles! And nice Acronym 🤣

[@Nimoot]

I'd say a huge Con of it is the fact that Rod is way easier to use, plus you actually get a block that lets you nuke the boss everytime... I usually just float in front of the bosses, doing huge damage, and blocking a ton so I have infinite PP. And the "low PP cost" for mobbing is irrelevant because I get PP back whenever stuff around me dies, I can literally spam the Cone AoE and not run out as stuff is spawning>dying too quickly. I definitely love the Photon Blast of the Talis... but the Rod is also very solid too.

[@CGMatsu]

Yes it is quite easier in comparison to Talis. A block that nukes the boss 0.0!?! It seems I’ve missed some interactive gameplay 😵. You also have to keep in mind not everyone is playing the Rod centric Force PP skill tree, still in terms of efficiency your cone compared to my Whole circle AoE + way faster is not going to better in comparison 😅. In the end though if it works it works 😌. I honestly do love both PBs as well!

[@Nimoot]

@@CGMatsu So there's a Trait that if you block, and then cast a Technique, you send out 2 homing shots of the element of the spell you shoot, and if it's Ice... that just makes the Barta debuff stack even faster.

[@CGMatsu]

Oh the elemental bullet I’m assuming? But oh that’s pretty neat I can’t deny

[@Memyx]

I always liked the idea of talis in PSO2, but the execution was weird. Then when Hero came out, it felt better but... no magic. :( This time around they feel amazing, and I'm glad I'm not the only person who has noticed. Anyways, one thing I wanted to note; You kept calling Techniques "Photon Arts". Convergence Shit & Spread Shot are PAs. Foie, Barta & Zonde are Techniques. Just a little heads up for next time so there's no confusion among people unfamiliar with the differences.

[@CGMatsu]

I did too, but it was lacking keeping ppl to play Talis, (but yet somehow ppl liked summoner more than Pso2 talis xDD).. When hero did come out they definitely shined a lot brighter and had more flair to it even though no magic. I didn't play Hero too much but when I did it was very enjoyable. It upset me for the people on my ship to say Talis was just trash and Im like "lemme try this", as people are QUICK to judge without trying based off old information. Ohh D:!!! Thank for pointing that out Memyx I will definitely keep that in mind for my next guide or just video in general!

[@CGMatsu]

@@anomalyNC You got fixa 5 on Vialto or Resurgir actually don’t matter! Gimme!!!! 😩. I’m glad you’re loving the weapon though, as I think it’s pretty fun as well 🎉

[@anomalyNC]

@@CGMatsu ahaha actually dropped at UQ. while I was leveling Force and Techter. yea Talis is so good all around

[@kenny456100]

The 2 thunder technics behave very different if charged. Uncharge Zonde is one thunder strike plus chain lightning while charged becomes thunder strikes but no chaining.

[@CGMatsu]

Yes you're correct my good man

[@cossah2936]

I didnt know uncharge zonde does chain lightning. Coz ive been using talis for mobbing XD

[@CGMatsu]

@@cossah2936 Haha I should've remembered reading this before making that video like a week ago xD

[@Geedal0]

I personally prefer using gizonde over zonde, but you have to be close range. Uncharged gizonde lets you lazily get zonde-clad since every hit counts, and helps towards the stagger. The downside is uq bosses love to move around. Charged gizonde is also very slightly stronger than charge zonde by around 5 - 10%, it also comes out faster than charge zonde which some bosses can avoid the last hit of charged zonde

[@CGMatsu]

Oh I didn’t know that Josh! Do you use Uncharged Gizonde once, and it procs zonde-clad overtime if they’re stationary or do you just spam uncharged Gizondes. I’ll have to try that out and frame by frame on Zonde/Gizonde! This was very informative though, I will try to see if I can try it on a UQ when I log in!

[@Geedal0]

@@CGMatsu you can use gizonde once and it'll eventually proc zonde-clad. So it's fine to just use gizonde then spam charged gizonde/zonde and refresh uncharged gizonde every now and then. I'm not sure if it's rng, but from what i noticed it might take 10 hits of uncharged zonde/gizonde to trigger zonde-clad, at least i got that on average with zonde and a feeling of shorter with gizonde but cant say for certain.

[@Geedal0]

Though i forgot to add I do refresh gizonde whenever i can so I'm not absolutely certain if the first one can guarantee the zonde-clad but the second always will unless the boss keeps moving.

[@CGMatsu]

@@Geedal0 all good, I still thank you for the information! I’ll test it out on some mobs to see if it procs it

[@Geedal0]

@@CGMatsu After doing some tests again there's a few interesting things. You need 10 hits for zonde-clad of any lightning tech. 1 uncharged gizande can get you zonde-clad, it does around 10 - 12 hits before it ends, you may need 2 if a uq boss moves but will be anyway to get the stun. Uncharged gizande isn't an aoe (i thought it was), its single target while charged is aoe. This is the reverse of zonde. You can use gizonde then talis stance and the gizonde can still proc zonde-clad while you have a stance. You still need to unstance to use it.

[@PoisonedIV]

great!!! time to wait for someone to make a fighter guide :')

[@CGMatsu]

xDD ! I can try my best. Ill be pumping out as much videos as I can, but making it as detailed and helpful as possible

[@DauraPSO2]

So happy to see Talis finally getting the appreciation it deserves. So many people trash-talk Talis when it's just as viable: it's simply a lot more technical and requires more practice to master it! I am always enthusiastic to encourage others to try this scarce weapon

[@CGMatsu]

Same! I hated the fact that people would just instantly compare it to old pso2. I always ask did you try? Of course most say no or why :/! I'm glad to see so many people trying Talis and are enjoying its unique yet technical playstyle. If you find anymore haters send them my way >:D!!

[@DauraPSO2]

@@CGMatsu You're spot on! Most of them don't know how it works, or don't spend the time to learn or try it. (Actually, in old PSO2, I'm still maining Talis as a Force/Etoile ^o^ HAHA) Will do! >:D! Let's do our best to show them what power it has!

[@CGMatsu]

Such a shame people think like that though, and oh snap a Talis main through and through ^>^! I stopped play super heavily when etoile came out in JP but I did like the class !

[@cossah2936]

Thanks for this guide as im loving using talis on Fi/Fo rn. I cant figure out when to spam un/charge techniques vs talis techniques to attain high dps while managing pp

[@CGMatsu]

I’m glad you liked it!! It might be a little more of a reach for you if your Fi first since you are primarily melee at that point. It would definitely be hard to try to find a medium for melee, un/charged techs esp. on boss fights. If your just farming PSEs/grinding (mobbing). AoE stance on tali’s tech then use Fi weapon to gain PP back or PP conversion if you have it. When fighting a boss you wouldn’t need tali’s all too much since I’m sure you get better dps punching him given that fighter is your main. But in a situation like fighting the UQs bosses you can atleast use Uncharged Gizonde on the weak spot to build zonde-clad while still punching the boss then as he gets up use a charged zonde. (Recommend Gizonde/zonde on subpalette) to avoid losing dps if your have to switch thru weapons

[@cossah2936]

@@CGMatsu switching non-multi weapons in ngs is more seamless compared to base pso2 so thats not an issue for me at least. For uq bosses, i usually use talis on mobile bosses like nex vera instead of running around with my DS. At least im dealing damage while it's moving around and also helping to down the boss with lightning techs. I switch to melee whenever its stationary and showing its weakspots. But im not sure if thats the optimal play.

[@CGMatsu]

You’re right it’s definitely not an issue well atleast to us 😌! But yeah how your playing is definitely optimal! I know mêlées have quite a “great time” when nex is flying around 😂. Try to throw in a uncharged Gizonde for extra damage and proc that zonde-clad when he’s down before you start smacking him with Fi weapons, so Incase he flies soon you’ll have a passive ready to drop some deeps :)

[@cossah2936]

@@CGMatsu can you accumulate zonde-clad with talis stances or no? And does it matter if i use zonde or gizonde during a talis stance?

[@CGMatsu]

Sadly no you can’t you’d have to get out the stance to start spamming regular lightning Techs to get the zonde-clad proc. Also I had to throughly check that because potency is different for each Tech. But once you’re in the stances the numbers will range the same no matter what spell you use.

[@captRhay]

its possible to skip using skill points on Talis bloom revoke, as you can cancel your stance by switching weapons

[@CGMatsu]

Yes you can do that. I know doing that can be possibly a fuck up for newer players since they might switch to the wrong weapon with the wrong Techs/PAs and fuck them up the crucial time of the boss being downed/broken. But yes you can definitely just switch weapons to cancel it. ^>^

[@captRhay]

@@CGMatsu i just mentioned because i myself fucked up and ran out of skill points, so i have no choice but to switch weapons xD

[@hikarisenshi4996]

Recently switched from rod to talis, the first thing i disliked about it was the aiming angle. Rod seemed to have no issue with hitting the chest of pettas vera when its flying, no matter far or close. But for talis after a few urgent quests I really disliked that i had to stay in air just to get my hits on elevated spots Also dislike that the stances disappear too quickly for my liking. The rest was fine with talis though.

[@CGMatsu]

I swear I commented on this on my phone but I guess not... I apologize for the lateness Yeah the aiming angle is pretty trash I wish you wouldn't have to adjust to hit the right spots unlike Rod it just goes to the desired location. The spread shot (3 line stance) helps out a little but still as you say it definitely a bitch to hit any spot especially if like nex is flying or pettas is hovering. Jumping is like the only solution since aiming angle is trash. I personally feel the stances should last a minute minimum, as I think its 20 or 30 seconds before it disappears which can be annoying.

[@MrBlackoutttt]

as a die hard fist fighter main the talis actually broke me lol i cant put the damn thing down. feelin like an actual mage now lol

[@CGMatsu]

I know right it just feels soo good!! I play other classes and I have to force myself to literally use a weapon for the other classes xD

[@littlemisswai]

Great video! Will definitely try talis out. If I may ask, which subclass is to your preference to go with the talis?

[@CGMatsu]

Thanks Wai! That means a lot, and in terms of preference to go with Talis. Since I can just Multi weapons TMGs for the Basic attack. I don't really need Te/Gu. So I'd have to choose between Te/Fo or Te/Fi. Te/Fo - When I'm playing alone Te/Fi - When playing with friend I'd lean towards Te/Fo simply because I like to maintain my PP efficiency and still do really good DPS through a fight without thinking "Oh I'm close to being out of PP atm" Since I am pretty sure the boss is going to be focusing me xD, The natural regain options from Force ST -- the Charged PA Passive/PP conversion active has really good PP management, it will hold me over while kiting the boss. I would use Te/Fi if i'm playing with my friend because I know I won't have the bosses aggro so I can focus on pumping out PAs to quickly assist in downing/breaking the boss. Only then will my Te/Fi build will come in handle because of the downed/broken passive fighters have so I dish out even more damage!

[@littlemisswai]

@@CGMatsu Thank you so much for your input! This helps me a lot. I am planning to go as a Te/Fo since I'm a solo player. Played talis after watching your video and it has been really fun. Can't wait for maintenance to be over. Have a good day. :D

[@CGMatsu]

@@littlemisswai Happy to help Wai, and that’s a good choice! Hey if we are on the same ship(ship2), I always like to meet new people or play with players who have seen my videos that would be a new experience for me 🎉, as I primarily do things solo also unless my friend logs on. Ayyy! I’m glad you found tali’s fun!!! I know many people have been knocking it down without truly trying it 🥺. Yeah I can’t wait to see what they add, and you have a good one as well :D

[@taki2406]

@@CGMatsu Is there any benefit of going te main rather than fo/te?

[@rusty2969]

@@taki2406 you can only use "shifta/deband" as a techter main class and I believe that's the strongest buff in the game (or at least one of the best).

[@Jeepod]

Weird question but i'm doing a Ra/Hu. I did multi weap Wired lance/ Rifle for the playstyle of going in with melee and mobing with the wired lance then having range and blighted round for bosses. Now I'm looking to add a launcher to my arsenal too for UQ and stuff. I was wondering if the WA of Talis would work and stay ON when using Launcher multi weap. (can I even use 2 different multi weapon? lol) TLDR : Can I use the WA of Talis then swap to a Launcher. (idea : PP regen while using Laser Beam) I know it's probably is not optimal lol

[@CGMatsu]

If tali’s/launcher is your multi weapon then yes WA will stay up. But if you switch to a completely different weapon it should disappear

[@Jeepod]

@@CGMatsu Thanks for the quick reply ! MY plan was to be using wired lance/rifle for mobin and opening fights then having a Launcher ready for UQ and bosses. Since I was already Ra/Hu I was just wondering if I could add a pp regen to my Launcher. Talis WA it is :P

[@brianr.6376]

I dont get it, for stunned bos regular tech is better? Also how to effectively use photon flare? I think it's only good for fire tech since barta blot and zonde clad require uncharged tech

[@CGMatsu]

When you mean stunned I take it you don't mean when the UQ is broken(Break). You just mean like regular elemental or physical down. I try to always used Charged when bosses are stunned/broken. It gives off more damage, while I'd usually spam uncharged/talis stances when they move around. I haven't messed around with Force (Photon Flare) all too much so I'd have to get back to you on that. I'd recommend trying Photon flare Gizonde + 1 U charged Zonde, then like 5 Charged Zondes when the boss is down/stunned.. Since Gizonde hits 8 or 9 times I forget how much but you'd only have to cast 1 zonde after to proc Zonde Clad. Soo you can try out that instead of fire unless your doing UQ then yes only lightning moves Photon flare probably has the best fit with fire simply because as you said barta blot/zonde clad. Also if you can try to throw in a Uncharged Gizonde even if the boss is weak to fire/ice when they're down just to add some extra damage if you are nearby :)

[@zeonightshade8440]

Hey so does Talis work with grants glitter it doesn’t have charged attack in its description and only mentions that they have to be light-based techniques also what do you recommend for the compound technique at best pairs with Talis

[@CGMatsu]

It’s been a little minute since I’ve done active research on my Talis history i will work on it today and get back to you with an answer.. It should work as long as you don’t use the Talis PAs to trigger the glitter just casting any light attack should proc it. To the best of my knowledge atm. But if I had to choose a compound tech since I’ve used them atleast for a little bit.. I don’t remember the name but the Fire/dark compound works wonders for Mobbing. Ice/Light for bossing imo. I didn’t use lightning compound to much but I usually lean towards the better option after trying all 3.

[@larcaded301]

nice dance in the intro whats the name of that dance?

[@CGMatsu]

It’s umm umbrella dance. Lobby action 423. :))!!

[@kevingilliam444]

Thanks for all the great information. I'm normally melee oriented but the talis seems like a nice change of pace. The palette setup is killing me though in trying to find a happy medium on set ups. If any suggestions are around, it would be greatly appreciated.

[@CGMatsu]

No problem! Yeah definitely give it a try! Umm I can give my palette setup see if its decent for you. I actually just adjusted my yesterday been testing it still getting used to it. Ill send an Imgur when i get home !

[@kevingilliam444]

@@CGMatsu thanks, sorry for the long response. Was raiding in WoW and leveling techter between wipes

[@CGMatsu]

​@@kevingilliam444 All good brother, I fell asleep when I got home. I don't know if you'll see my description but I'm sending the link here imgur.com/a/4PsH2Dv

[@kevingilliam444]

@@CGMatsu thanks again. I came up with something similar but with these images it helps alot.

[@kevingilliam444]

@@CGMatsu i'm trying out multi weapon talis and twin machine gun too. i get some extra mobility as well with stylish roll and dodging

[@ventimiglius]

Are you main techter or force? And why? Which skills did you pick? I am playing a fighter/force right now, with dual saber+dual daggers multi and talis alone, using it mainly for pse burst and bosses, and i am having lot of fun :D

[@CGMatsu]

Techter main ^>^!! Well the first reason was because I was a Te/Gu main in pso2, now the reason I stayed as a Techter Main over Force was because Techter has more utility than Force. **I'll post my Techter build in the next message" Techter provides atk/def buff, PB gauge increase, increased chance to down your enemies, status ailment resist, revive potential with the buffs on revive. The Techter ST provides a nice focus on Wand/Talis in the ST allowing both to have potential use rather it singling out the other weapon making the focus be on just 1 weapon. While Force Provides PP regen, and increased dmg from photon flare. The Force ST is primarily focused around Rod. About 6 of the passive have "If you have Rod Equipped". So standing still, and not moving to capitalize your Dmg while also parrying attacks to further assist your spam+dps. So it makes Talis in Force ST pretty redundant, which doesn't promote creativity like Techter does. Unless you multi weapon but you shouldnt have to force multiweapon (Rod+Talis) to fully utilize a ST. Overall Techter is more of a team based class, with multiple ways to do damage that rivals force, and still feel more interactive than Force. I do love Force but they made the gameplay veryyyyy stationary which is fine for a mage class but it doesn't give much for the team

[@CGMatsu]

imgur.com/uOFCATC imgur.com/ZqEYRyh (ignore the fact that I didnt have Shifta/Deband expansion thats what I spent the 20th SP on a while back) That sounds pretty hype! I havent tried dual sabers yet i need too :/! Having fun is the important part :D

[@inukamiyouko]

Hey! Love the guide and thank you so much for it But I was wondering, do you know if Pillbox Multirock gives more PP because of the multiple targets?

[@inukamiyouko]

Unless thats what you meant for the 3-6 range of PP restored Ty again

[@CGMatsu]

Thanks brother!!! Sorry this was late i've been getting a lot of comments so I overlook some >.

[@Diddykonga]

Does Talis Pillbox stay active, even when you switch to Multiweapon secondary? So I could pillbox for example, then switch to Daggers for PA's and get an additional 1-2 uses before running out? Im a Te/Fi and this would be huge.

[@CGMatsu]

If its on your Multi weapon it should stay up, as long as its the same weapon. If you were to switch to a completely different weapon palette it disappears. I could be wrong I don't want to give wrong info but I'm waiting on my Fixa Talis before i completely start to Multi weapon again. So i cant 100% confirm D;

[@Diddykonga]

@@CGMatsu Sounds logical, Once I get enough meseta to redo my multiweapon, currently using Dagger/Wand, I'll post back here with the info. Appreciate the response!

[@CGMatsu]

@@Diddykonga Appreciate that brother! I realized I worded what I first typed completely weird. I'm still unsure but I wanted to send a message back and edit my message so it sounded right lol

[@mcbro1272]

@@Diddykonga Yeah it should stay up but the only thing I couldn't really confirm because I didn't test my talis multiweapon much is if you still get the same amount of pp back. I thought the damage would be the nice extra and when I noticed it hardly did any damage I kinda just scrapped it xd (although important to note that besides using Te as my sub when I tried it I also used a low rarity non enhanced talis so maybe with a real good multiweapon youll get the pp AND good extra damage to go with it) but yeah TL;DR it works

[@viego29]

question, better to play talis with force or techer? since idk if they deal the same damage, and i think you can deal more damage with techer since you have shifta?

[@CGMatsu]

I personally say it’s best to play Talis with techer and also yes you deal more deeps since you do have shifta as well. Simply because the force skill tree is centered around Rod and not using rod on force Is like a kick in the face (which upsets me). But yeah at least with techer you can choose in between wand or tali’s because the ST isn’t centered around either weapon.

[@creepythusricocoralde3718]

Bro juz to clarify what if I main wand and talis as the multi will it be better or it's kinda messed up?? What's are the pros and cons thank u :) great vid

[@CGMatsu]

Sorry this will be slow, but I will respond dw!!

[@CGMatsu]

So Wands / Talis multiweapon Okay this is just my PoV on it. Ill add more if i can think of something else Mobbing - Huge improvement (since you can use Talis Stances, and spam AoEs rather using your Autos from wand. But when you do Wand AA it'll be way better than Talis AA trying to get PP back from the explosive Autos. Plus you can have Multirock passive to hit mobs for you as well. Bossing - As you are primarily melee centric since talis is fused into your wand. You want to just make sure yu have Lightning element on your wand, and proc wand lovers everytime its up to maximize your dps so you dont get staggered from hits. I am not 100% but when downed/broken I take it your Wands element will still apply when using Wand PAs so you dont need to really use Lightning Techs, but using a quick uncharged Gizonde will also give extra dps while your smacking the boss I recommend Swift Smash or using Talis Turret to give extra PP to help you spam while smacking the boss either or is good. Of course if you need to back out/can't reach the boss for a second Talis Stance to get some Dps so you don't miss out while repositioning/or just unable to reach it. Pros: You can be melee or ranged, and still deal excellent dps with both. You can fully utilize the Techter ST. More interactive gameplay :D Cons: Remembering to use Gizonde, Talis Weapon action, using wand lovers, & buffs may be overwhelming for a few in certain situations. Not having Wand lovers active and getting hit can affect your dps Dodging a lot if bosses aggro is on someone close to you. *It would be for better in my eyes.* Better mobbing, can manage PP alittle better thanks to Talis turret possibility + ST of choice im sure is something with PP regen, can maintain dps in melee or ranged. The best one for last more interactiv gameplay

[@carloscoward7986]

Con: While on aimed mode you get stuck in frame unlike the other ranged weapons so you cannot adjust your aim easy. youd have to stop using a attack to move the attack point.

[@CGMatsu]

Just making sure I am understand right. The “Z keyboard button aimed mode right”

[@carloscoward7986]

@@CGMatsu yes that exactly. I love the weapon but i hate that it does that

[@CGMatsu]

@@carloscoward7986 Oh ok, yeah I tried it once and I got blasted by the Nex because I was trying to fix my screen and I took an L xD

[@kwayzu]

I noticed this too... I was thinking of moving to talis but because of this im not sure i will now

[@CGMatsu]

@@kwayzu It does suck indeed, but don’t let it completely discourage you 💪🏽

[@Zenovii-senpai]

So the most unused weapon from base pso is now the more busted of the technique weapons. Seems fair to me. Always loved force but didn't like rods and I dislike wands so this is great. Sense I play with a controller for the comfort I set up my pallette to get away with an easy bossing/single target set up.

[@CGMatsu]

Hehe It’s about time it had a glow up after all 🎉! You were definitely in a bind not liking either weapons xD! Talis smooth gameplay sound even more relaxing with a controller in my hand 😌

[@Mak0h_]

Not sure if you answered this already but, if you're using Te/Fo, do you have the Talis skills on Force or Techter? Same question but with Barta Blot and Zonde-Clad?

[@CGMatsu]

I got the Talis skills, Barta blot & Zonde Clad all on my Techter ST since I started as Te/Gu, then went to Te/Fi. I use Te/Fo primarily for the PP benefits, so no Talis skills on my Force ST but I do have Barta/Zonde on my force ST

[@arzog6446]

is aggro really related to dmg in this game?...when im farming PSE burts the bosses are always on me even tho i don't feel like im doing that much dmg...

[@CGMatsu]

Yes sir! Me and my friend usually have aggro unless we just dont attack for a while in the beginning. Whats your main class :O?

[@arzog6446]

@@CGMatsu Ranger/sub Force

[@CGMatsu]

@@arzog6446 Oh yeah my hardest competition is Ra or Gunners when it comes to aggro

[@brodotz9206]

Just to clarify, you suggest multiweapon talis with tmg even when using te/fo or te/fi? other than tmg? any other weapon you would recommend?

[@CGMatsu]

Yes yes I do for Te/Fo and Te/Fi, since for TMGs have the fastest, precise, and consistent PP regen from AA's. It compliments the Talis ability to spam even more. While I do love talis Auto's you can truly get more benefits through TMGs AA's. Now if your more melee centric I would suggest like Daggers (fast ass AA's), with Talis. Your gameplay would be pretty weird as it would be harder to get PP(would have to run up and that can lose you DPS), but multiweapon does allow you to have 2 forms of AA's on your weapon. But in return you'd have less PAs/Techs on your weapon, ofc you have sub palettes also to assist you with that struggle so its not all too bad just a little interesting set up xD I would suggest Wand+Daggers but it would get rid of the Elemental hit on Wand if you traded Wand AA for Daggers AA's. But you could do Wand AA's until downed and then swing on them with Wand/Dagger PAs/with an uncharged Gizonde to give extra Dps while also getting Zonde-clad stacks. Any weapon choice is fine but for Melee ranged but I heavily suggest Daggers simply for the attack speed, and the mobility of their abilities.

[@justinlam2383]

@@CGMatsu what does "tmgs" and "aa" mean? I'm a new player and still learning for techter class. I love the way talis moves and your video made it much more clear to understand the weapon.

[@CGMatsu]

@@justinlam2383 Hey thanks for the love! I greatly appreciate that, and welcome to the techter family! AA’s meaning Auto attacks, and TMGs meaning Twin machineguns

[@Banana-cc5rx]

wut i've been playing talis alot and didnt even realise it does lesser damage against down/break target

[@CGMatsu]

Yes sir :)! Now I will say it’s more effective to just use tali’s stance(convergence/Spread) when there is no weak point open since your elemental Techs won’t fair as much dps until it’s open. If someone weakbullets your Techs skills might do more than Technics but it’s still just best to use the tali’s stance until a part of the bosses weak point is visible (primarily speaking for Pettas UQ). Since Nex’s weak point opens up a lot more and you don’t have to worry about actually breaking through armor. So in that situation you definitely switch off your tali’s stance.

[@Wishuponapancake]

@@CGMatsu wait why/where does it say techniques do more damage against weakpoints than normal hits? (./ they do less damage against non weakpoints)

[@CGMatsu]

@@WishuponapancakeAll this information I’ve given is based on what I’ve seen over the past like 2-4 weeks of only Talis. + some help from comments to help me dig deeper (I’m assuming your Normal hits mean Talis stances hits) it’s wise to use Talis stance PAs on the bosses with weak points that don’t show up at the start of the fight (primarily UQ bosses). Simply because Talis stances allows heavier spam, and it’s quick until the spot is open for the rest of the fight. I still use the stances until bosses are broken since Techs really shine when CC’d with precision and speed . let’s say for example your fighting a boss(Pettas Vera) and he’s broken and your casting Talis stances shots. Those shots will do damage yes ofc everyones dmg is different so let’s say your Talis averages around 400-600 per shot. Charged Techs will guaranteed hit that and give a high dmg finisher for the 3rd strike. So like 600+600+ 2400 could be lightning while your spamming Talis stances 400-600s. The damage can be around the same but you want the consistency + full atk from charged.

[@Wishuponapancake]

@@CGMatsu ah okay, I think you're wording was confusing people is what happened. I (and the others I assume) thought you meant that just pure mathematically there was a difference in the numbers, but you were saying it's just EASIER to use talis techs / normals vs unbroken enemies, rather than it actually giving you a damage bonus/ normal techs having a negative damage modifier to unbroken enemies

[@Naisugen]

Why do use electric i never got that

[@CGMatsu]

Electric for bosses (UQ), since bosses are “end game” technically it’s best to show the speed of lightning spells to maximize your dps for bosses 💪🏽! Don’t want to take all day doing the UQs Hope this helps

[@CGMatsu]

I could’ve used another spell but since I used fire/ice in other comparison I felt I should lightning as the finisher :>

[@chevaliusrex]

I'd say sword or rifle as a multiweapon, no other weapons rival their aoe, it's not even close. And use tali's for ST

[@CGMatsu]

I need to try out sword, I saw my friend playing it and it looked pretty fun! Same thing for rifle need to try it out. Doesn't launcher have good AoE or atleast I've been told because I was thinking of doing a Talis + Launcher kinda weapon. I've never heard many ppl talk about swords AoE, but I have heard of Rifle/Launchers. I was going to try a comparison to which is better

[@chevaliusrex]

@@CGMatsu I didn't think launchers aoe competed with rifle or sword. Both of those feel oppressively good in terms of mobbing. Sword requires positioning, a very small amount. Rifle just hold, spin, release shit dies.

[@CelphTitled7]

does it make your guide better when its the first one ?

[@CGMatsu]

Does it make my guide better. No it doesn't. But does it make my video unique simply because its the first of many to come yes it does :)! Knowing how much people shun Talis since the original Pso2, and giving some insight to how fun the weapon is now compared to back then and how unique and versatile it is now. I just hope my video will be the catalyst for people to try out Talis for themselves than judging it negatively off rip. Me personally I can't wait for more Talis videos to drop. I'll learn something new I hope, or just meet a Talis buddy!

[@ericwycoff1399]

you wrecked that boss lmfao

[@CGMatsu]

Hehe he never stood a chance ;)!!

[@marclenraymagdaraog691]

True it's either Gunner or Daggers... both are supper fast PP regen.. I use Daggers cuz ye.. I want to go Melee mode sometimes lmao

[@CGMatsu]

Facts! I really need to try daggers though, it just looks so reckless when I see them swinging their bodies xDD!! I might have to join you in the melee field someday

[@B-Ry22]

I wish I saw this before I used all my skill points 😭😭😭

[@CGMatsu]

Hehe xD! Don't beat yourself up they'll give us some SP resets i'm sure. We should have one at least if you haven't used it

[@uwuowo1773]

uwu

[@CGMatsu]

uwu

[@yoduh9972]

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