[PTR] NEW S-TIER Build DESTROYS T200 Pit & Tormented Bosses - Surge Rogue Build Guide - Diablo 4

[@m1py]

Edit: Surge was significantly nerfed for S4 and probably won't be a good Build anymore. Planner: maxroll.gg/d4/planner/ee7l0095

[@eljuanflis]

Oooooh, I like rogue, but with this nerf i dont know if im going to play Rogue. Any other build to do t200 fast or i go to another character? Thanks a lot.

[@djnatZOMG]

What is the magnitude of the surge nerf? Do we know the exact new nerfed values?

[@bosendorfer6268]

@m1py Any update on this? Have you tried it in season? Still looking for a good melee rogue build, seems like we're topping out around Pit70-80 as melee.

[@RomT69]

@@bosendorfer6268 I think this is still possible if you can get max roll of a single elemental surge in all 3 weapons. Stack it up to a total of 100% lucky hit chance to deal 20,000 Poison Dmg (no masterwork). Maybe pair it up with X'Fal which can also proc from Pestilent Aspect.

[@AllTheseGeese]

This build was the first I tried at max level in the season. Unfortunately with the nerf I could not get past Pit 60. But it still works with similar setup as a leveling build for anyone that wants something that plays like andariel rogue if they don’t have access to andariel visage

[@DoomagaGames]

Looks less insane than the Dust Devil barb or Frozen orb Sorc, and I think thats a good thing. Can see wtf is going on.

[@m1py]

Yeah, definitely a lot easier on the eyes! 😎

[@kylekilgore291]

You can see everything with tornado Barb, you just ignore the size stat and go for more resource gen/dmg/strength/ or any other stat you want. Can still make 50+ tornados but they are smaller and it looks better. They need to nerf tornado size or just ban rob all together since he’s a piece of garbage

[@nicholastam7727]

Really looking forward to season 4. Thanks for all your builds!

[@boriskohlschreiber25]

The new #1 rogue hero emerged. Keep up the good work. Explanations were very good 👌👍❤️

[@m1py]

Thank you man, appreciate the support! PTR is a blast so there is some more stuff to come!

[@Catpicker]

This is a very well planned and such a clever build!

[@m1py]

Thank you! Big kudos to Rise for the basic idea!

[@Youpelayedou]

That's amazing. I understand now why my forceful arrow sometimes deal more dammage than my barrage ... I wish the PTR would be available until season 4, or at least for a couple of weeks, or they could maybe just stop taking feedback and let us play, just for the fun... I really had a good time. This is the last night, and now I know what I'll try. Thank you very much, I really appreciate all your builds and videos. Cheers.

[@elvis5783]

Need a lot farm the materials for those

[@User2djdb]

Jesus its a mindblowing build!

[@StarCoordinate594]

FINALLY a S4 rogue build I like !!!! all the others are etiher fun but low dmg or just boring. I'm looking forward to try this one out if it doesn't get nerfed 😭

[@m1py]

Hope you enjoy! S4 is going to be soooo fun :D

[@elvis5783]

I was looking forward for more rogue build, it seems not much of them playing.

[@jessewski]

This build seems like a TON of fun, very cool build!

[@alexlikes8959]

Always like new builds and this looked fun, got to try it in PTR and man this worked better then expected. I didn't get to high rifts but it was a fun and fast build, thank you.

[@LuBuDiablo]

Well Played , Thanks For the huge rogue focused content

[@m1py]

Rogue gang rise up!

[@muriloalves8703]

Looks cool to play. It is boring to use combo points, or having to spam 1 button with inbuement every 3 secs........ so a new build with different rotations seems fun. Thank u

[@Avarilyn]

Big dam. Keep it up man, you are killing it atm.

[@m1py]

Thanks! And I appreciate you so much for all the help with theorycrafting and testing, not only during this PTR! ❤

[@denysmyronov971]

Perfect! Thank for this huge work❤

[@m1py]

Appreciate the support! Had a lot of fun doing this :D

[@kylekilgore291]

All of these t200 builds are going to be adjusted and tuned down before s4 release

[@anwinjoselyn4924]

This looks really great. Puncture alone? Who would have thunk it, eh? Looking forward to try it...if this is not nerfed before going live (fingers crossed)

[@who_glhf9113]

a rogue build that doesnt have me spam 3 basic attacks before doing damage? sign me up

[@m1py]

Yeah very refreshing to play no combo haha

[@Anakin93]

King ! I have a question, why i don't have some particoular temper bonus? for example, on the helmet, i can't find luchy hit?

[@m1py]

Temper recipes need to be found through famring bosses, doing dungeons etc. You don't have all of them unlocked from the start :)

[@MrAlejandro3096]

Thanks video. but there is a detail that I don't understand, you use gems in your weapons, (Sapphire) how did you manage to change them? because these gems in weapons are (vulnerable damage) not (damage crowd controlled enemies) ty, sorry me ign

[@airsheepgames]

whats your prediction with this build in s4 considering surge is nerfed? do we know the new values for it?

[@m1py]

Even without knowing the full values, we know it's significantly nerfed. I doubt this build will survive.

[@Kwano0117]

you know where you got the temper for your armors the daze/stun/freeze

[@corpsefoot758]

You need to farm Tempering Manuals which drop from summoning bosses and stuff

[@simonzendel1122]

Amazing build mate.

[@antoninmalite7280]

Bro i need u for understand, u do this damage with only basic attack ? And with thé New affixe u do some control on ennemi so make all this damage ? Just this ?

[@Lockdown24-7]

How would you go about leveling this build and at what point would it start working, I’m guess you would need the surge recipes?

[@m1py]

Yeah, as it seems there are also magic and rare versions of the surge tempers, so you might find those early on.

[@Lockdown24-7]

@@m1py So probably level up with core skill like flurry or twisting blades till you get surge

[@tomreinel6170]

Does surge damage also work with TB? It has lesser lucky hit chance, than puncture, but maybe? Can bursting venoms prove xfal rings?

[@m1py]

Does work with TB, but procs less often, BV can proc Xfals, but Xfals deals very little damage compared to Surge.

[@tomreinel6170]

Thx for your reply. I thought, xfals profit from deadly venom and can tick with higher damages. The values from xfals 40k damage, is like the surge damage procs… but the surge profit from more multipler, or why is the damage so high?

[@m1py]

@@tomreinel6170 essentially surge benefits from a lot more additives and multipliers as shown in the testing sheet linked, than xfals does and is a lot easier to proc

[@tomreinel6170]

Thanks for your answer!

[@Dam-yeon]

It's a great build. thank you

[@m1py]

Thank you bro ❤️

[@PurpleEVOL]

I wanna try this build. Thanks for the video. Just to ask, will andariel’s visage be useful for this build?

[@m1py]

Surge is nerfed by 80%, you can use it for leveling but not great in endgame anymore. Use Heartseeker Victimize once you reached lvl 80+. Just uploaded a showcase video + planner.

[@baklava-tchai2247]

ist like 3 tempers as much damage as andariels ?

[@kingjames9109]

Hey @m1py great video very informative quick question didn't the Devs say FLAT Damage was receiving a buff so that it Scales with the Item Power or Level of your Weapons/Gear or am i wrong on that?

[@m1py]

Yeah they said that and it appears to be correct for aspects., Surge is a weird exception as testing has shown. Entirely unaffected by weapon damage.

[@kingjames9109]

@@m1pyGotchu appreciate the reply.

[@paddylyo50]

Hi great build! Looks like a ton of fun and I probably will try it out. Will there be a full maxroll guide to this with a leveling section and so on? Or wont there be a surge build on maxroll?

[@m1py]

Due to this being nerfed to the ground there won't be a full maxroll build guide for it.

[@obesechicken13]

What do you mean by umbrous gives you another damage multiplier on the amulet when going over the armor?

[@m1py]

I initially had umbrous on the amulet and therefore no offensive aspect there. I have moved umbrous to the chest armor and dropped undying, because siphoning provides us with sufficient healing already. That opened up using an offensive aspect such as edgemasters on the amulet.

[@iBigodeGrosso]

Hello brother, amazing build. Made me wanna back to the game. There is some progression about this build? What is BiS itens/Aspects?

[@iBigodeGrosso]

And how is the levelling? Normal TB?

[@Siphr0dias]

If the main damage is from the elemental surge tempering, something similar might work on other fast attacking builds/ classes as well, right? E.g. frenzy barb, stormclaw druid, arc lash sorc... ? Aside from my question:Great work! Thank you! 😊

[@m1py]

Yeah this should theoretically work on any build that can utilize fast attacks with high lucky hit chance.

[@Siphr0dias]

@@m1py Thanks for the quick and clear response. 😊

[@TICUofficial]

for the algorithm - thanks for the build

[@m1py]

Appreciate the support man!

[@piranha_lol]

has anything changed since the PTR? Currently putting this build together on live version

[@m1py]

Surge is nerfed by 80%, you can use it for leveling but not great in endgame anymore. Use Heartseeker Victimize once you reached lvl 80+. Just uploaded a showcase video + planner.

[@tuannguyenmanh8]

Does the build use the new Unique glove for basic skill or any unique at all?

[@m1py]

Does not use or require any uniques!

[@tuannguyenmanh8]

@@m1py thanks, save a lot of time finding uber tho lol

[@Kiripompone]

Did they change Juggernaut for ptr/season 4? Max I have is 5900 but yours is 9K

[@NanoNaps]

Wouldn't adding arrow storms make sense, or can't they lucky hit? If they can lucky hit I would assume they are a decent option since they are basically 3-4 times more likely to proc compared to venoms Maybe switching out the gloves aspect might be valid.

[@m1py]

Unfortunately, the arrows from arrow storm do not proc lucky hit themselves. Otherwise definitely a great suggestion :)

[@NanoNaps]

@@m1py Thank you. It's odd to me that puddles can lucky hit but arrow storm can't. Oh, well, it is what it is.

[@roohni2226]

So the surge is the thing on weapons “x chance to deal 40k (element) damage”?

[@user-sh4rz7in2v]

have u tried to add tb in this build? it has almost the same lucky hit chance of punctur. blade dance aspect + 3puncture 1tb rotation with combo points

[@m1py]

Yes I tried it with TB, TB distributes its lucky hit over the whole duration of bladedancer and thus is a lot less procs per second than just puncture.

[@sandalhatunavailable]

this is interesting, it seems that this idea can be used on any class?

[@m1py]

Yeah surge is good on any class that can proc lucky hits fast

[@eduardoaraujo2454]

Is it feasible in this season 4 in fact?

[@m1py]

Surge is nerfed in S4 and dead.

[@IceCreamTruck9000]

Prayge this will survive

[@m1py]

Me too man, would be so fun to play for S4!

[@Xenotimes]

It wont the Tempering Elemental surge is op on any build any class its getting nerfed 100%

[@TheKupidonyx]

So in theory you need poison instead of physical, so paragons might be different?

[@m1py]

Yes, if you are insanely lucky and get all the correct tempers, you'd use Poison on 2h and Shadow on 1h. Then you can modify the paragon to include Eldritch Bounty Legendary node and socket the Canny glyph to boost both types.

[@stoneraycr]

Super cool and strong build. Thanks for the vid 🫡

[@Smhallways]

How is tier 200 pit level 199 monster? I get level 191 monsters on tier 92. What am I missing here?

[@m1py]

Monster level stops scaling after tier 100. They only gain more health but don't deal more damage.

[@Catpicker]

does dex stat increases surge explosion damage?

[@m1py]

Yes, Dex and other additives boost the surge damage, as shown in the Sheet linked in the description

[@Catpicker]

@@m1py ty!!

[@kbuckley]

Finally a viable Puncture build. This is it!

[@m1py]

If you like basics, Surge is nerfed by 80%, you can use it for leveling but not great in endgame anymore. Use Heartseeker Victimize once you reached lvl 80+. Just uploaded a showcase video + planner.

[@kbuckley]

@@m1py Thank you.

[@mikey7326]

WOW that's good deeps

[@vergildmc1379]

so all ur weapons elemental surge are frozen effect or??

[@m1py]

Elemental Surge (Weapon, Lucky Hit: Chance to deal X type Damage) is different from Wordly Fortune (Defensive, Lucky Hit: Chance to freeze/stun/immobilize or daze)

[@vergildmc1379]

which type of dmg? @@m1py

[@Easy2own]

Never Heard or Read anything about that "Surge" is that something new in D4 ? Definetly looks pretty decent ;)

[@m1py]

Elemental Surge is a new tempered affix that goes on weapons in the PTR, which is a public test realm for new mechanics to be introduced in Season 4 :)

[@LaiNguyen-w8o]

Your build is great! I see you only use basic skills to cause damage, why don't you + add basic skill damage from other sources?

[@m1py]

Because basic skills are only used to proc the surge, they dont deal much damage themselves.

[@jammur6917]

Damn, you just left your dead teammates and went right for the loot. LOL

[@m1py]

Yeah, they were dead from the beginning since this was a solo carry. I'll post the full try a bit later haha

[@mkilo9689]

have u tried this build in season 4 yet ?

[@m1py]

Surge dead in season 4. You can play Andariels Visage and a few different tempers to have a similar build though

[@mkilo9689]

@m1py gotcha !

[@가르비온나라]

Honestly, I don't know why the basic attack is so strong. How does it work

[@m1py]

New temper affix, elemental surge, goes on weapons. Puncture is just there to activate it.

[@brenolacerda2073]

Nos console não tem prefixo de ataque speed nas adagas e besta

[@kinjo-ossan]

How do I get frozen recipes?

[@corpsefoot758]

Drop from summoning bosses and sometimes chests/Whispers I think

[@zayon0170]

i hope for MORE build without combopoints

[@m1py]

Yeah me too. I can see a barrage-spam build with Starless Skies and Preparation working, but I haven't gotten lucky with Starless yet on PTR!

[@deaddcloud]

Is this build for s3 ?

[@m1py]

It's only available on the public test realm right now. So not in season 3.

[@deaddcloud]

@@m1py What is best build rn in your opinion and can u Give me link ?

[@kikevath]

where can I get those recipes ?

[@corpsefoot758]

Tempering Manuals drop often from summoning bosses, and also rarer chests/Whispers I think

[@vormarsch]

16,400 Armor is cap for going against level 200 mobs? That's good to know. Means we just need the Juggernaut aspect and not much else.

[@m1py]

Yeah you can cap out Armor with a maxroll Juggernaut, very efficient!

[@Kiripompone]

@@m1pyhas Juggernaut increased value for s4? I have a max roll of 5900, but yours is 9K.

[@yodatoy8792]

Is it true that rogue is still the weakest compare to other characters?

[@m1py]

Other classes such as Barb and Sorc are massively overtuned at the moment. I think Rogue has a decent power level, maybe slightly below where it should be. It's just that nearly all other classes have some very overpowered mechanic available at the moment, which makes them very strong. Rogue does not have such a broken mechanic, yes Surge is strong but far away from Dust Devils or Frozen Orb for example.

[@ozunad144]

This is lvl 100 duriel?

[@m1py]

Yeah just regular Duriel

[@Swyteh]

How are you criting all the time even tho you said yourself you are running with 0 crit chance?

[@afklovec]

It looks good also for PvP, so.. 👀📌

[@yurisavun3776]

Somebody tested this build in S4? What pil lvl it can do?

[@m1py]

Surge is dead in s4 but you can play a very similar build with Andariels Visage and a few different tempers.

[@Arjuna1901]

you need tempering recipes or this build doesn't work properly. that's the limiting factor.

[@m1py]

Yeah without the tempering recipes its hard. Also the reason why we haven't seen this build emerge in the earlier days of PTR.

[@Markezie867]

shame this is for sure getting nerfed before season 4 launch. elemental surge is just too strong across the board. would be fun to play something other than combo points build for once. especially a basic skill build :(

[@m1py]

The funny thing is, for Rogue its actually a build-enabling thing, where other classes just slot it into their Meta builds just to make them a bit stronger lol

[@tomd737]

I tried to test elemental surge but I dont see it proc those explosions you proc in your video. What am I missing?

[@m1py]

I explained this in the T200 Voice-Over, these explosions come from the aspect, Volatile Shadows, which procs Shadow Imbuement. That has Lucky Hit Chance and can then proc Surge.

[@Mysticvermin]

Those are from the Volatile Shadows aspect. When a Dark Shroud shadow gets removed it explodes and infects the enemies that are hit with Shadow Imbuement. I've been wanting to see that change for some time.

[@addictedplayer4453]

you have big balls to still platying this game

[@kinjo-ossan]

🎉

[@Xenotimes]

its just elemental surge thats broken with that you can deal damage with any skill just stack lucky hit..... Btw this will be nerfed

[@apollo5756]

Couldnt the Sorc Firebolt do this but better?

[@m1py]

Probably, I haven't looked much into Sorc. S-Tier is meant within the Rogue Class itself.

[@funnds]

The Rogue needs a rework. Not enough damage compared to other classes

[@m1py]

Rogue definitely has some fundamental issues that hold it back a lot compared to the other classes. I hope that we are going to see something more for Rogue and maybe a bit down-tuning for OP builds like Dust Devil, Frozen Orb and Boulder.

[@kythox6521]

Isn't attack speed cap +100%?

[@m1py]

There are two seperate attackspeed caps. Cap1 is gear attack speed from affix rolls and paragon nodes which is 100%. Cap2 is a seperate attackspeed category, inlcuding aspects and passives, which is another 100%. So added together, you can have 200%. I linked the attackspeed-sheet in the description.

[@olivelover2406]

It has to be nerefed

[@antoninmalite7280]

I prefer rapid fire 😉

[@frayclarkson4994]

Hey, your Diablo 4 content is amazing! I think your audience would be interested in Boosteroid Cloud Gaming. How about making a video to introduce it to them?

[@iplayagame8652]

Do you have a surge build that use blade shift skill instead of puncture ? I love blade shift so much and i hope you to build this skill in the future

[@m1py]

You can just swap puncture for bladeshift, but then you'd need a seperate marksman skill to activate CQC.

[@KarmaKahn]

Yeah, this will get nerfed.

[@m1py]

Likely, but its definitely not as OP as Dust Devil Barb or Frozen Orb Sorc or Boulder Druid.

[@KarmaKahn]

@@m1py Sure, I just think the elemental surge stuff is getting hit hard.

[@СмешныевидеоГенаГорин]

looks very wierd

[@СмешныевидеоГенаГорин]

but it's ok

[@HandicappedMind]

zoom zoom boom boom big numbers... brainless action arpg...... they were doing awful.. so... lets just remake d3........ at least the d3 players will be happy.. Huge improvements... but.... not the direction i ever hoped this game would take... rip