Puberty blockers have ‘seriously damaged generations of children’ | Tavistock whistleblower

[@PEGGLORE]

You have to reach Puberty in life. It is a rule of life, which you are not allowed to avoid.

[@I_Stole_A_BTR-80]

If only there were groups of people that were speaking out about this since the mid 2010s...

[@merg-vh5sx]

If only!

[@jacquelinetaylor8683]

People, especially women have not just been speaking out about this some have been screaming about this. Consistently politicians and doctors have been calling them extremist bigots. It will be interesting to see them make out they never supported it really. Liars

[@jacquelinetaylor8683]

Be interesting to see the politicians and doctors who have called the people shouting out about this transphobic bigots now say they never really believed in the ideology.

[@lw1zfog]

if only the corporate legacy m$m hadn’t spent years acting as unquestioning agenda enablers

[@merg-vh5sx]

Plenty of journalists were, and are, amazing. A few were being excellent at great personal cost since around the 2010s. Adding that because I'd like to draw a distinction between the corporations and the writers. Some of them were heroic. The Owen Joneses of the world will never be forgotten either.

[@sebastianverney7851]

"Clinical services penetrated by an ideology". I'm so glad a whistle is being blown on this at last.

[@jeffswingdancer8302]

It's odd we required "whistleblowing" for a scandal that was in plain sight the entire time.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@jeffswingdancer8302 it was obsfucated and the things the whistle is being blown about were hidden.

[@abirdkilledmeh]

People already whistle blew about tavistock in like 2004

[@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA]

Crazy to me that those channels who have enabled this and now walking it bk like they’ve always known his dangerous this ideology is.

[@Joe-og6br]

People need to be barred from practicing and have criminal convictions. This is child abuse.

[@cproteus]

Banning this therapy is absolutely child abuse.

[@alaakela]

More like medical experimentation

[@Edabee405]

I despise the fact that British media is beset by this requirement to present both sides of every issue. This is about the massive, horrific scandal of the uncovering of unequivocal evidence of hideous medical abuse of children. There is no “other side”, least of all any which could be presented by a bloke called “Katy”.

[@goodday512]

The vast majority of transgender children still identified with their new gender five years later, according to studies. The other side - kids who change their mind, make up about 2.5%.

[@betty-boo9821]

Exactly!!!!!! He's part of the problem.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

It is like with lobotomy. On the bright side, they stop being problematic. On the down side, they are just lumps of flesh sitting there.

[@Edabee405]

@@linusgustafsson2629 It’s worse, because his very presence gives credence to the insanity that a man can magically turn into a woman and therefore needs to be consulted on the topic.

[@appsb4537]

The Katy person didn't make arguments for a different side though? Other than that if teens' gender distress is psychologically treatable then we need to pump more money into mental health services.

[@joselitogonzales1063]

Using drugs to cure psychological priblems is always a bad idea , especially for kids.

[@TheDude-w5l]

I subscribe to that view! Drugs have only one utility: for the highly creative, deeply invested in the zeitgeist, young males (rarely females), aged 21-29 and with a clear creative goal in mind- even then, it is always a gamble.

[@sumwun9908]

Drugs are not a cure for psychological problems but they are a tool that can help if used correctly.

[@danielhooper502]

these are not phychological issues, being trans is found in species within nature, and we are a part of it.

[@sumwun9908]

@@danielhooper502 can you tell us which species in nature identify as trans?

[@petrairene]

The problem isn't that all children with body dysphoria have mental illness, the problem is that at this time we have no means to determine which children are trans and will develop into adults that transition and are long term happy with that decision and which of the body dysphobic kids have some kind of mental illness that's causing this (like for example girld with eating disorders often have a problem with their female body type) There is no denying that there are trans adults. And of course these trans adults have already known as children that they are not what their bodies and societal expectations dictates. But with the current explosion of eating disorders, explosion of cosmetic surgery, explosion of dissatisfaction with ridiculously minor aberrations from exaggerated beauty standards it's very clear that most cases of body dysphoria are probably not caused by an underlying trans-identitiy. There are plenty of people who transition and are long term happy with it. People who later de-transition because they realise they have made a mistake have obvioulsy never been trans to begin with. For that reason people should transition as adults and should even as adults not immediately rush into irreversible treatments and surgeries.

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

Prosecutions for the people who pushed and promoted all of this?

[@TeamYeshua]

mRNA? Steroids? Antipsychotics? My friend that isn't how this works.

[@Tzhz]

As long as it includes the parents that encouraged it

[@billmoretz8718]

​@@Tzhzwhat about the government oversight that allowed it? Often new drugs are promoted as safe, until a few years prove otherwise. Soon we will know any long-term side effects of Covid shots. Unfortunately one cannot sue the manufacturer. That should have been a huge flashing red light to people.

[@AmiAmiAmiZ]

Sounds good, prosecutions for people like you as well? Having sub-human intelligence is just as damaging.

[@madmelwood3778]

100% agree

[@catmoore2443]

And that is why some doctors are scary , because they are willing to cause harm because of their jobs, pensions ect . " first do no harm ." Means absolutely nothing now and to be fair it hasn't been for a while .

[@ohwellwhateverr]

I’ve lost all trust in doctors.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

To be fair, it is more of a "don't do harm on purpose". If they think cutting off your limbs is good, it is OK. But they shouldn't do it if they think it is bad.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

There's been a societal decline in the seriousness of pledges and vows. The concept of honour and one's word actually meaning something is in short supply.

[@zoeolsson5683]

What bulldust! Children's doctors are the modern day knights in shining armour. I have spent a lot of time at the children's hospital. They saved my son. Don't speak of what you do not know

[@gsomethingsomething2658]

@@zoeolsson5683 There are doctors with integrity and genuine compassion, and other doctors.

[@mrkeogh]

- the lack (actually, suppression) of research on detransitioning, etc. - a sudden explosion in demand for transitioning - a widespread refusal of patients to participate in much-needed follow-up research These all have the same cause.

[@loonaingamells2964]

google the history of left handedness

[@loonaingamells2964]

"kids are all left handed now that we've stopped beating them for being left handed? is this because of woke??"

[@TrueLife-o2j]

Social media? That would be my thought. A combination of targeting through social media and a culture of political correctness / banishment for critical thought..

[@glaspest]

@@loonaingamells2964 without a doubt. I've been anti-woke ever since gender neutral pronouns gave me autism.

[@glaspest]

maybe there's a widespread refusal to participate because peoples private medical history is really none of our frickin bussiness?

[@jeremygreenwood1021]

This is interesting and as I suspected. Gender reassignment has become fashionable, which is dangerous. As a retired doctor I can affirm that the NHS does not support whistleblowers, quite the opposite in fact. NHS clinicians work under a highly coercive and threatening Department of Health.

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

Just because a child wants to be a dinosaur, doesn’t mean he or she should.

[@loonaingamells2964]

or they

[@madmelwood3778]

Exactly

[@_nebulousthoughts]

Exactly if my son says I'm a pirate I don't cut a leg off and take an eye out...

[@goodday512]

Do you deny trans people exist?

[@tommy67834]

@@dogbreaththe3rd851 u have no proof to back that up tho it’s just ur theory that fits ur own hate narrative

[@BrookeBrooke12320]

Thank god for people like this man who despite threats kept his ground.

[@userxyz64]

The unqualified management in the Tavistock should be up on charges.

[@washbelly]

Self-awareness is in short supply these days.

[@garyweglarz]

The obvious anti-scientific criminality of all this is almost beyond belief!

[@rd123.]

They need to be jailed

[@JelMain]

The Tavistock Clinic caused me immense harm in a totally different field in 1963, by breaching my right to privacy and not disclosing what they'd found. They'd claim it was for my own good.

[@userxyz64]

Pure arrogance on the part of the Tavistock.

[@JelMain]

@@userxyz64 The story's long and horrible. I ended up with about 40% of a Nobel Peace Prize, the near certainty of being a genius, and grief from the difference between that and my persona. I had been told I was nothing exceptional, and lived as a Frank Spencer mockery. Too clever to relate to, and denied support because that meant IQ testing, formally forbidden me because I'd been added to the baseline group everyone's tested against. Somewhere the #EveryonesInvited abuse developed, after I was well clear. I'm a man of faith, and have no difficulty whatsoever sharing my prayer that Matthew 18:8 awaits them.

[@Joanne217]

'First, do no harm' 😑

[@sn4rff]

anyone who promoted the "puberty blockers are fully reversible - it's just like a pause button" story in the absence of any evidence that that was actually true should be prosecuted.

[@edwardhurst4069]

So sad that there are people damaged by these inappropriate decisions.🙁🍃

[@continentalgin]

Some of this topic is simply selfishness, people wanting special attention or parents wanting special children.

[@patriciaputman5217]

Follow the $

[@tommy67834]

U can’t genuinely think this? U’ve got to be joking. None of that makes any logical sense. People do not want to be trans

[@continentalgin]

@@tommy67834 The whole thing is pitiful.

[@jezdavis1865]

No, It isn’t selfishness.

[@TheVino3]

​@tommy67834 oh sweet summer child

[@delldell21]

Thankfully leveller heads have finally prevailed.

[@bereal6590]

Not necessarily because we are only hearing one side of the a tory and not the levels of suicide and self harm in those that don't transition

[@pepsiman4418]

@@bereal6590they don’t want to hear that side though, the truthful side.

[@merg-vh5sx]

@@bereal6590 No. Everyone has had plenty of time to hear both sides. Many if not most of us who object to paediatric gender medicine do so from a very informed perspective. ALL the research is junk. That includes harm risks gathered by lobby groups like the Trevor Project. 'If you don't treat me I will self-unalive' was a disgustingly manipulative tactic and it's not going to work anymore.

[@SSGLGamesVlogs]

​@@bereal6590 Which is what Gender Ideology is all about.

[@debs5896]

@@bereal6590 because it is no worse than any where else..suicide as a threat is not the reality in this group who 75% have underlying psychiatric conditions.

[@madmelwood3778]

100% and the mental health fall out from this is going to take generations to recover from . I look forward to all the back pedalling

[@mr.mayhem7402]

It's already started on here, but don't fall for it. We'll know what they'll do to children if they ever have their evil way.

[@amymegginson-uz7jj]

So grateful help seems to be on the way for the most vulnerable.

[@thecleric001]

Then there need to be a criminal investigation.

[@madmelwood3778]

100% agree

[@zoeolsson5683]

Really?

[@BTiffney71]

@@zoeolsson5683 Yes really. Children arent in a position to give informed consent on these experimental procedures.

[@TheDude-w5l]

They did the same in psychiatry. People just hush it up because of the boogie monster that might reside in others. But remember: you never know when it's not going to be you tied and drugged because of someone's malice, bad judgement or plain old stupidity.

[@roxee57]

Katy makes the claim that someone taking opposite sex hormones will still go through puberty, ie complete their development into an adult across all their body systems. Katy doesn’t have any evidence for this claim. Where’s the papers that say females taking testosterone during puberty have sufficient testosterone receptors to complete adolescent development into adulthood? Likewise for males taking oestrogen. When you have activists on please do your job as journalists and point out when they start making claims about human development and how drugs impact bodies that the activist isn’t speaking as a scientific or medical expert. After all it’s how we got into this mess in the first place.

[@kimwiser445]

They have made permanent patients that will need medical care the rest of their lives.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

Which will be super long lives, since there are 0% suicides among trans people, am I right?

[@brandyhaywood6256]

I can foresee lots and lots of litigation coming. Dr Bell has been shut down until now. It's great that the Cass report has unleashed all the professional honest information about the damage this ideological treatment does to children. Experts are no longer afraid to tell the truth. However it's disgraceful how long this has taken.

[@tossedpenny]

I've always thought the same. I could just imagine the lawyers circling the perimeter like wolves licking their chops waiting for the lawsuits to start rolling in. There's going to be a lot of lawyers living in beachfront mansions when this is all over.

[@FITZY1995]

This will be part of the future dungeons tour.. Crazy woke doctors that did this to kids.

[@maggieattenborrow6725]

The Frankinstein Experiment!!!....

[@andrewb2475]

We are looking at the biggest NHS medical scandal of the past 60 years, there'll be a public enquiry and millions upon millions paid out in compensation...............sadly a lot of children will pay with their health for the rest of their lives!

[@madmelwood3778]

Agree fully

[@goodday512]

in actual fact it equates to about 2.5% of trans kids.

[@nicky611]

​@@goodday512there are no trans kids.

[@goodday512]

@@nicky611 you’re literally talking to someone who was. You might as well be denying that grass is green at this point.

[@nicky611]

@@goodday512 there is no transition occuring is there. No matter what a person does they can not "transition" to anything other than what they are. A castrated cross sex hormone flooded man remains a man. There is no such thing as trans. There are some people who are unhappy being the sex they are.

[@jedjones9047]

Every man and his dog knew about this scandal' apart from the people who were supposedly running the country ' will anyone be held to account I won't hold my breath' maybe if whistleblowers were protected instead of persecuted we'd be in a bitter place.

[@funkydinosaur]

Thank goodness for Dr Bell 🙏 this is exactly the sort of reasoned, evidence based and research led thinking we need on this issue. I think hes immensely brave speaking up the way he has as you can receive such a huge backlash for it. Heres hoping attitudes like his provail going forwards.

[@cl2raven266]

Who introduced gender issues to children, they are the ones who are accountable amongst those who enabled

[@bereal6590]

Transgender has been around since the beginning of time, you're just hearing more about it now is all

[@merg-vh5sx]

The Trevor Project, Stonewall, and Mermaids are three lobby groups that caused a ton of harm. Remember their names.

[@cl2raven266]

@@bereal6590 there's no justification for mutilation of children, period

[@willraven2302]

@@cl2raven266can I pleas show me evidence that children are being mutilated? Because the grounds for that claim have always been shakey

[@ohwellwhateverr]

@@bereal6590 Just like how pedophiles have always existed. Bizarre that you think that’s a justification of why they should be accepted.

[@hemlock527]

If those managers aren't charged there is no justice. Many Western academics in humanities and social sciences faculties are at least morally culpable also.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

I think it will be like with the racism. We'll look back and wonder "Why did they treat PoCs like animals?" but it will be framed as "Why did they treat boys as girls and girls as boys?". Nobody will understand why they were so dumb in that age, but be certain that now they are all so much smarter so it will never happen again.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

I was fortunate to receive an education that actually taught me to question things, that there's value in different perspectives. Some professors simply indoctrinate.

[@markanderson3870]

This all makes sense, since medcine and social care is supposed to help people with issues, regardless of pro or con anything.

[@Galilei-Suomesta]

This is only the tip of the iceberg.

[@jeffbrammer1082]

Finally. Taking real emotional care and support rather than leaping in to chop em up n ship em out. Kids aren't equipped to understand the long term implications of gender swap. Once they're whole in mind is when a decision can be made. Not until. Thank goodness children can be helped. Some people will no doubt choose to transition, but they'll have time and support rather than risking a rash decision that may be regretted later.

[@outoforbit00]

Its really quite stunning that people without even a rudementary understanding of basic human nature were let loose on vulnerable children. High ups in the NHS need investigated.

[@zoeolsson5683]

Amazing that people on KZbin think they know more about basic human nature than doctors who have studied anatomy. Who have seen thousands of people with bodies of all different shapes as part of their intensive professional training. Pull your head in and go read some medical textbooks

[@outoforbit00]

@@zoeolsson5683 you have never heard the expression 'human nature' have you? Its NOT referring to the material body, like wow, where have you been all your life. Think common knowledge.

[@keith8609]

The parents of these kids should go to court for child abuse

[@madmelwood3778]

Yep

[@mr.mayhem7402]

Make sure you repeatedly bring this up and demand it from our poltical candidates at the next general election.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

I'm sympathetic towards some parents. If you're a parent and you have medical professionals telling you that "Your kid is trans, they'll be at risk of depression, self harm and suicide if they don't transition - oh and we might call social services if you don't comply". How many parents are going to ignore that?

[@keith8609]

@@RJALEXANDER777 Then the medical professionals should go to court there is always alternatives I think part of the problem now is kids have been led to believe by some people who should know better that it is something they can do so they will be disappointed if they don't get it

[@zoeolsson5683]

Get real - how dare you! Just imagine if your child is really struggling with their body and self concept ... Yeah let's just put the threat of jail on their care givers who love them the most. My experience of a court order for medical treatment is second hand but I remember how my son's eye doctor recounting how he had to seek a court order to treat a child for eye cancer. To get away from the court order the mum took her kid overseas. Retinoblastoma moves fast - the kid lost both his eyes when he could have had sight.

[@emmacalnan7624]

Are the NHS hospitals now going remove all their Stonewall & Mermaids promotional posters now?!!! Last year I saw rainbows everywhere and a poster mentioning Stonewall & Mermaids when I was an inpatient. I was pretty horrified !

[@zoeolsson5683]

Why? Many kids are gender diverse

[@BTiffney71]

@@zoeolsson5683 Leave the kids alone. Gender is a faith-based belief and no one is born in the wrong body.

[@errin-mp1zy]

@@zoeolsson5683 Many kids have ALWAYS been gender diverse, we didn't need doctors to medicate them.

[@Phoenix-ov5gg]

@@zoeolsson5683but there are two genders only

[@jeremy2875]

Dr Bell showed great strength standing up for proper medical practices for children and against ideology driven medicine. Knowing that he would be attacked and his career damaged. He deserves to be knighted for his bravery.

[@ExpendableRedshirt]

I hope, for the sake of Dr. Cass's own mental and emotional health, that her rejection of the bulk of evidence on this was justified. We now have two distinct approaches working in this area and will, over time see which is better for the children involved. Let's not go to any extremes though. Pubity blockers have been around since the eighties and have been approved for use after extensive research. They are not dangerous drugs and are used in cases other than medically transitioning.

[@Phoenix-ov5gg]

The evidence says otherwise, lifelong osteoporosis, anorgasmia, androgenic alopecia and more!

[@NicFydd]

Not sure why an AGPs opinion has been sought on this.

[@tykotate9346]

There needs to be consequences for the groups who pushed this horrifying, cruel agenda.

[@SimonWallwork]

This is what happens when you mix trendy, left wing politics with medical and psychiatric issues.

[@bereal6590]

Because the left wing told people they're trans gender, yeah right! Who told people they are gay, was that the left wing as well. Pull the other one

[@edmurth]

So playing politics with peoples medical issues as you’ve just done. I’m left wing yet I’ve had concerns about the use of puberty blockers, it’s almost like your lazy stereotyping is just that.

[@willraven2302]

@@bereal6590nah people were just trans and gay anyway regardless of politics

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

I’m left wing but not far left which is where the crazy people are.

[@TheDude-w5l]

Psychiatry is such a shameful pseudo scientific practice even to this day that you can just leave it out of the conversation.

[@fruitfulhope203]

I do like how Times Radio give people the space to think and talk. Too many shows only allow sound bites or jump in constantly with interruptions 👏

[@JohnnyinMN]

Unreal. Now I know why Brexit happened. Sounds like England is a freak-show.

[@Phoenix-ov5gg]

This mutilation of kids is happening all over the western world

[@viejolincanada]

Mental Distress = Shame

[@stephenpeppin5537]

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:16,17

[@artistreality]

What I would like to know, is who in the medical and scientific communities pushed puberty blockers and even all this very questionable nonesense going on lately. This is why when they say 'follow the science' you 100% better question it first.

[@TheDude-w5l]

It is the same kind of people that made sure women got voting rights. You see, the whole women rights vote wasn't about the average woman's right to vote, it was because of those very rare instances of wealthy women that could have benefited from it in situations that the general view could have sympathized with them on the moral basis; also tied to the abuse of their inheritance by their husbands, which again only happened in rich circles. So because some tragic cases happened that depended on legal technicalities, amongst a very limited minority, the narative of the right for both genders to vote was established. It honestly didn't matter back in that time, since a lot of poor males couldn't vote either. It is the same now: just because of a handful of tragic cases, they impose this tyranny of gender swapping the children and the fire of the public mania spreads in a witch hunt of tragic cases to be set straight. The problem, as always, is who are the ones doing the work? It is always a vast majority who hasn't quite grappled the concept and what it actually is to be solved here. As always was the case. Same with psychiatry and over diagnosing. Same with amputating organs mania of the last century, since taking a rotten tooth out stops the infection from spreading, right? Why not cut off as much of the body as we can then, out of good reason and prevention? (This is exactly what happened by the way, people would get even their intestines out just to be safe).

[@loonaingamells2964]

puberty blockers have been around since the 1980s to delay puberty in children

[@skullicious]

"Generations"?!

[@_nebulousthoughts]

Lysenkoism in medicine.

[@williamkane3022]

Thank you for this comment it caused me to look Lysenkoism up and I learned.

[@doublediamond1234]

Dr David Bell is on the right side of history with this. If it hasn't already, this will cost the NHS millions in compensation in the future.

[@Micah_Lal]

Not the generation of kids who's parents oppose this madness

[@FreddyNietzsche.]

Why is this not being considered as a crime.. Since when was it OK to poison children ?

[@philforde5871]

Good discussion.

[@lorenrenee1]

My nice had intense depression and suicide ideation from a young child. She was unable to attend high school and barely got a completion certificate. In her early 20’s she had top surgery and transition the depression lifted, he’s now finished his GED, getting his drivers license, moving forward in life. it’s just a shame his whole childhood was defined by pervasive emotional anguish and wishing herself dead. Last time we went out was the first time I’d ever heard them laugh (we played VRPsintball). My employees daughter has major health problems and is on puberty blockers due to a serious illness. It’s not a pleasant experience being on blockers, nobody should be doing that lightly.

[@errin-mp1zy]

I fear your niece's happiness of joining the special club, may be short lived, I hope not for her sake.

[@hankskorpio5857]

This isn't a shock to anyone who uses logic to form thoughts as opposed to witless hamfisted corporate financed propaganda...

[@pepsiman4418]

What horrific symptoms have happened to kids on puberty blockers? Besides any allergic reactions, the blockers are safe. They are also used on kids who enter puberty too early aswell

[@willraven2302]

Says the guy who most likely has been brainwashed by right wing tabloids since 2016

[@pepsiman4418]

@@zsuira Brother give me an excerpt from the report then. I found nothing but what about you?

[@asor8037]

@@pepsiman4418 Puberty blockers will by design, make their bodies will develop in an unnatural way. And that's all that needs to be said about that.

[@alaninsoflo]

Please stop giving these trans campaigners the oxygen of publicity. In doing so all you do is keep the contagion going.

[@goodday512]

trans campaigners? If it offends you that people lend support to people born with a medical condition, the problem might be you.

[@DorianPaige00]

Your job is easy: all you have to say is we don't know. And you'll soon add adults and those who have already transitioned to your targeted class. I guess those who transitioned will have to come off because they may change their mind.

[@outoforbit00]

I would love to see this fine man in a debate with a panal of activists just to watch them squirm. The Times for a journalistic outfit is the last for the penny to drop. You journalists only do catch up, which really isn't journalism at all, now is it.

[@toni6053]

I see what you did here, you picked a seemingly 'reasonable' man who claims he's a woman. He is very much an outlier in the gender ideology community. As ever msm part of yhe problem never the solution!

[@paulaharrisbaca4851]

There's a saying (from AA, I think) about God grant me the ability to change what I can change, accept what I cannot change, and the wisdom to know the difference. I believe when it comes to adolescence, that is something children need to learn first and foremost. Also the one I learned in kindergarten "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." (I learned it as "names", not "words", but with the recent attacks on free speech, I think "words" is more accurate)

[@pixie3458]

Why do institutions and commentators still use the term 'gender', and not sex

[@liezelkarsten173]

So a national health service that is essential for the poor kills independent thought. This is what needs to be looked at. Is it because we as humans allow too many narcissists to rise to positions of power? Perhaps the problem is NHS wife policy makers that need to be looked at here. Who are these autocrats? Who gave them so much power?

[@funkydinosaur]

Huge respect for Katy and everything she said - she's absolutely right about her warnings on pubity blockers and the dangerous effects it can have on brain and social development, the risk for more bullying and a needed focus on accurate and empathetic mental support for teens rather than just chucking drugs at them. This was really encouraging - its the sort of open discussion we need

[@nicky611]

Who she??

[@lewisbean4250]

“B-but they’re totally reversible! There’s no long term side effe-“

[@smokingONsumDRO]

Puberty is not reversible and has side effects too

[@edwardmal1802]

why do people care about all this, just ban it.

[@davecross4493]

Why is puberty blockers even a thing?

[@rd123.]

💰💰💰💰💰💰💰

[@Christina-g4s]

In the case of percousious puberty a 5 year old for e.g. you can arrest puberty till the correct time so the child doesn't grow deformed. That's what they're for, however they've been used off label.

[@rd123.]

@@Christina-g4s They are used to chemically castrate sex offenders. I wouldn’t even give them to children with precocious puberty.

[@andysturges3979]

Great video that I will share. However the title seems to be misleading. The numbers taking the medical pathway are so small that we cannot claim that it's generations. Not to mention that it's pretty much only one generation since it's so new. But please show me how I'm wrong. Otherwise this is absolutely brilliant.

[@NikkiOwen]

GIDS should receive sufficient funding to be able to provide the care that's recommended.

[@Stopcolonizinglebanon]

the tragedy is that this carried on for years while everyone including those doing it knew it was wrong. Mengele lives

[@brucewallace2]

One the one hand we have a renowned psychotherapist and then a bloke who's supposed to be a woman when his voice is a bloke's voice.

[@TheRisky9]

Anyone ever watch that Japanese anime "Ghost in the Shell" where they were tracking this group of people who were making robots that looked like children so they can be PDFiles without technically committing a crime? Yeah, this is what this reminds me of.

[@dombo813]

The key finding of the Cass review is that we don't have any good evidence in either direction about the real consequences of medical or social intervention for kids who may be trans, so its pretty strange this guy's saying we have reasonable evidence. Thats what a liar would do.

[@atheistbewildered2987]

Psychopathy = lack of responsiveness to care-based transgressions

[@gshockbabe6144]

LIAR.

[@porecemusnox8805]

Now, let's have a look at the percentage of children within a society atually receiving these kinds of treatment, shall we?. It's considerably smaller than 1%. That being said: if there is harm done, it's tragical ... and there need to be sufficient safeguards, especially psychologically. But we have to realize that the perception of and reaction to this issue is far stronger than the issue itself. Weaponized gender related politics happen on the outer edges of the spectrum - and that's true for both, left and right. The center, the overwhelming majority, simply does not care as much.

[@davidkinnear1905]

Exactly, I doubt you will find more support here on KZbin as sane and moderate responses don't get much tracktion. But just know you aren't the only one to think that way, I really dislike people, on either side, pushing this for profit or political gain.

[@bereal6590]

I agree with you, this has been deliberately stoked to create an issue. With any other health issue mental of physical, it isn't weaponise to create such an uproar. The only parallel I can think of is homosexuality. This particular problem is such a tiny percentage of people and they should be protected but the facts show that transitioning means less suicides and they'd an even smaller percentage regret their decision. If puberty blockers cause issues then that can be researched and all information given to applicants. Every applicant should have also receive psychotherapy to discuss beery thing in full prior to any treatment. What's an absolute joke is that they're concentrating on this, all the while mental health services are so limited, wait times so long that nobody can get decent therapy. There isn't a discussion on those lives which are ruined or lead to suicide. Instead that's seen as 'woke'! I find this whole discussion here very disingenuous

[@jamesreardon9119]

@@bereal6590medical malpractice is always an issue. Particularly if it involves children. - The percentage may be small, but has grown exponentially over a short period of time, indicating an issue - This growth has put huge pressure on the services that you rightly point out are at breaking point - The Cass report found no link to increased rates of suicide, the suicide rates are the equivalent of people with mental health issues, no greater Using suicides and accusations of transphobia stifled the important discussion that should have happened to avoid this report ever being needed. Demonising and sacking anyone who point out the lack of evidence and rigour is disingenuous. Hopefully the Cass report will now rectify that. And the people affected, however few, can rely on decent care instead of ideology.

[@mrkeogh]

There is a metastudy from Finland (and another from the Netherlands, I think) showing that gender reassignment is no more effective in reducing depression and anxiety among young people with gender dysphoria than psychotherapy, medication, etc. Imagine a person suffering from long-term, persistent, clinical depression who demanded a lobotomy or else they'd commit suicide. That person would certainly not be assessed by responsible medical professionals and set on the path to receiving a surgical procedure that would irrevocably alter them. In 10-15 years, that's how this "debate" will be viewed: medical misadventure made possible by ill-informed patients who have been led to believe radical surgery will cure their ills.

[@ohwellwhateverr]

@@bereal6590 You clearly either haven’t engaged with the research into the effects of drugs like Lupron OR you’re somehow invested in trans ideology, no matter the harm it causes. Puberty blockers are being prescribed off-label to minors, despite clear and substantial evidence that they not only do not cure GD, but actively cause a whole host of other health problems which will last a lifetime. Which part of this are you not understanding?

[@MatthewBritnell]

Why was is allowed 2 happen in first place! There's a difference between someone woth gender dysmorphia & those who jump on trends!

[@Joe-og6br]

The Rainbow Mafia.

[@linusgustafsson2629]

@@Joe-og6br I think it stems more from meetoo and their "believe all women". So now all little girls who say they are boys, need to be believed, or the feminists will feel like they are betraying their mantra.

[@EdSmith724]

Surely this is criminal negligence and should be referred to public prosecutor

[@mr.mayhem7402]

Visit your MP's surgery and ask them to demand this from the government.

[@kitcat4512]

PGLE partners think it's the best way for the human race to change completely?

[@JohnMChew]

It's barbaric.

[@user-iz9co4qf6z]

When activists get it wrong....

[@balsarmy]

I am for transgender rights. But puberty blockers and gender change should be 18+.

[@Jenny-nz8fb]

25+ and not on the NHS

[@MH-qw6nc]

What do you define as transgender rights?

[@AlessandroZir]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@tracygeddes5867]

Cass confirmed nothing, Cass ignored countless studies that showed the Minimal effect of blockers and that showed the benefits. This is just another opinion.try telling the huge number of transgender who had blockers and avoided hugely invasive surgeries after puberty but I guess the welfare of a transgender is not on their radars.

[@toshiyaar7885]

Katey, a very thoughtful answer. Much appreciated.

[@stev838]

That was the plan all along

[@aliceunchained28]

And yet steroids are legal.

[@Phoenix-ov5gg]

Not anabolic ones

[@ANGEL_BOB_YT]

When I went through puberty I missed it at the time missed it lol

[@albertcipriani8926]

Your female host (circa 15 min. mark) yawned on camera! What’s wrong with her, you’re camera man, and your editor?

[@glaspest]

R.I.P. entire generations of damn kids

[@andrewwhitehead2002]

1000 children over 10 years. Too many but not an entire generation.

[@glaspest]

@@andrewwhitehead2002 well that kinda puts things into perspective.

[@davidbrown3054]

Get me some rage, now! 😂

[@NecessaryDramaAddictionNDA]

Interesting the hysterical reaction especially from the homosexual LGBT.

[@unlikeavirgin]

Just so you know, large populations of LGB people have disagreed with this ideology since the beginning. We do not like being involuntarily categorized into the Wi-Fi password community. I am happy that common sense is turning the tide and hope it will continue.

[@thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527]

Frankly had the gender fluidity science been available when i was 10 id have probably had a gender reassignment as i think most of my depression is body Dysmorphia and i find the politicising of this when it should be a fundamental human right to feel happy. As happiness trumps health every time if i died in 30 years of happiness or 100 years of misery I'd take the happiness every time.

[@kathymcbride2425]

lets help trans kids x

[@GrumpleSenior]

No such thing as “trans kids. There are only kids.

[@rd123.]

No hormones for under 25s!!!

[@LiamPorterFilms]

14:51

[@felix.henson]

The Cass report presents a much more balanced view than this video, which I find quite unprofessional. The overall view of the report is that the current science *both for and against* puberty blockers is not adequate to draw strong conclusions such as the one presented here. There are percieved positive outcomes such as reduced suicidality and better mental health amongst patients, but some worries about social development of teens not going through puberty; again neither of these has been studied enough to draw solid conclusions from. The general opinion is that the physical effects of puberty blockers are completely reversible, so all this "irreparable harm to our children" stuff is BS. I completely understand this being reason to no longer include it as treatment for young people, but frankly this video just presents a prejudiced point of view without contest. Shoddy journalism from the Times on this one.

[@felix.henson]

Though it's to be expected from a news outlet that doxxed an online creator just because they donated money to trans healthcare services...

[@dwinter666]

The times has a history of platforming transphobes without pushback. They do it all the time.

[@TheDude-w5l]

If only biology would be that simple. We have religions for a reason, you can be as healthy as it gets, grow in the right social environment and still be mentally devastated by mistakes. Imagine what messing with the biological rythms may do in terms of rippling meta-ffects on one's conscience.

[@carltaylor6452]

The recent Finnish study (and others) have disproved the unevidenced claim that puberty blockers and transitioning reduce suicidality. The 'general opinion' might be that puberty blockers are 'completely reversible', but again this claim is unevidenced; there is, instead, growing evidence that they cause a litany of harms. Health professionals have been butchering and sterilising children at the demands of ideologues. The cult you obviously still follow is falling apart.

[@TheVino3]

Puberty blockers and hormone therapy are not "completely reversible" across the board. Its a common claim, but its categorically false. They *are* reversible in their standard use case, which is to delay early onset puberty by a couple of years. They *are not* fully reversible if used to block puberty for vastly extended periods of time, past where natural puberty would have taken place. Every person is different, the effects of extended puberty blocker usage can vary wildly between different people, and *absolutely can* have drastic and serious impacts on a persons health. Add hormone therapy to that, which has incredibly painful and well known side effects, even long after usage ceases, and the "fully reversible" narrative just falls apart. There is an industry that has a huge vested interest in pushing this reversible fantasy, I wonder if you can guess which it is? I really can't fathom how you expect people to believe the reversible narrative, when its as easy to disprove as saying the sky is red. Its just a blatant lie. You're defending a medical practice that has far outrun its backing of evidence, and has done some people irreparable harm. The insatiable desire to defend this practice to the hilt will hang on many peoples consciences til the ends of their lives.