Punch Out!! (Wii) - Title Defense King Hippo [

Ok so, Mysteryman95 (aka Frame by Frame Animation on yt) TASed this new strategy to see what the theoretical low was, which was 1:08.21 if you did everything frame perfectly... and... I just beat that by 2 frames somehow...
LeeA1 took back the TD Hippo record with a 1:08.33, which I tied shortly after. Later on, I decided to do more attempts, but I needed to rethink a few of my problem spots, namely the taunt star and the star punch that ends the fight. I realized I could use the pineapples as a timing cue to start a different buffer sequence that ends up being way easier for me to time than how I was doing it in the old video!
I also forgot to mention the buffer strategies in the last video description, so I'll do that here! There are 2 buffer strategies that set up 2 frame perfect punches in the fight. You're able to throw attacks and dodges during the cutscenes where Hippo's manhole cover is coming off, and since the sounds are very quiet by comparison to other Punch Out games, it's kind of difficult to determine the buffer from watching.
The buffer for the 2nd phase of the manhole cover section is to buffer 5 more alternating gut punches after the punch that takes his tape off, then duck and jab for a free frame perfect counter.
The buffer for the cancel/provoke for the immediate self knockdown after the last bit of tape is punched off is to buffer a SAME SIDE punch as the one that took the tape off (you need to hit punch as Mac's arm is coming back, otherwise he will not throw the punch), then do 7 more alternating gut punches from there (8 total at this point), then duck and jab.
The same side punch wastes 4 extra frames compared to usual, which is super useful because unlike the other Punch Out games, all punches are equal to each other in speed, as well as all dodge types are the same with each other, so having ANY variation from that norm opens up so many possibilities for buffers in this game.
Anyways, I'll post part of the previous video's description here to clarify stuff about the strategy itself. The fight is played in Champion's Mode, which is an option you can unlock from lasting 10 fights in Mac's Last Stand. This mode removes red flashing tells from opponents, and makes any attack that they throw instantly knock you down. This is utilized to minimize game time by manipulating more favorable patterns from opponents in some fights.
Typically, you skip ahead in TD Hippo's pattern by 2 attacks with a self knock down in Champion's Mode, but if you delay your knockdown by a tiny bit, you can have him skip 3 attacks. Not only that, but inexplicably, TD Hippo will loop back through his pattern again without any delay at the end, meaning you can get a comparable amount of hits that the old strategy gets, but with the advantage of cancelling the taunt after the manhole cover even faster than usual.
I'm probably going to go back to Bear Hugger and cut the last frame on him (my PB is a 26.76 atm, with the record at 26.70). After that, I'll probably mess with Piston Hondo. My PB on him is currently a 33.94, and I'd like to at least get 33.8X before posting anything for him on youtube (that record is 33.76).
Anyways, thanks for watching!

[@ethantaylor8306]

First, there was the Tool-Assisted Speedrun, but that was found to be too slow. So the Zallard-Assisted Speedrun (ZAS) was developed in an effort to get times even lower.

[@lezzei]

I can just hear Summoning Salt monologue-ing this

[@simonblackquill889]

If summoning salt ever makes a video on wii punch out he needs to say this lol.

[@WitD2013]

>Beating the theoretical perfect time by 2 frames Nothing to see here just typical zallard1 things (seriously, congrats!)

[@vantablack3327]

Zallard saying he beat the TAS just reminds me of the GDQ blindfolded super punchout run of "I just accidentally did a frame perfect counter."

[@GhostofSeige]

"Does anyone know if anyone's ever beaten a TAS?" Zal: Of course I know him, he's me.

[@Gamer27King]

And sinister with mtpo

[@MeowBanti]

"I just beat that by 2 frames somehow..." is the best way to describe this speedrunner

[@Sonicfan10193]

2021: King Hippo in 43 seconds without touching the controller

[@aidancroft2693]

It's a wonder the opponents are still willing to take Mac on...

[@yourcollegedebt8384]

Keep in mind, a lot of them are cheaters or using supernatural powers or just damn strong It's more than likely their egos, or they think of a new trick that can beat him

[@jlgaming5995]

More like they are still willing to take on zallard

[@bettybarreto482]

True

[@trollface6553]

0:19 R.I.P. King Hippo's foot

[@jorgesmoilis1883]

0:21 soundlike stampy the bart pet's

[@YinAndJerry]

Zallard is claiming the records left and right, freaking god

[@KewlNerd20X6]

Odd that Mac's face is so bruised and bandaged after only 2 punches.

[@NicoTheCinderace]

It's because he's playing on Champion Mode, which disables the colored tells for when you can get a Star Punch, and when your opponent will throw a punch. In addition, any attack will instantly knock down Little Mac.

[@mercuryrising9758]

Just casually beating the tass

[@Jason_Ultimate]

My guy, you are an absolute madman. Not only did you go and beat your own record in less than a day, but you also went and beat what was thought to be the perfect possible time by 2 frames. Last night, after I had already seen this video, I saw the notification KZbin sent my phone for it and legitimately thought you had already beaten your record AGAIN until I saw the comments. And the worst part was, I wasn't even completely shocked. I was just like, "Yeah, alright, it's Zallard, may as well." Seriously, congrats dude. You've been going off these past couple weeks.

[@VincentTheMediocreYT]

Ah yes, the Matt Turk of Punch Out Wii.

[@matthewhender1834]

Two dislikes from King Hippo and his manhole cover

[@mecharichter]

Zal you never cease to amaze me.

[@thechunky1ne]

tas: the lowest TD hippo record possible is 1:08.21! Zallard: hold my wii remote.

[@JDDK28]

Zallard proving who the real king is.

[@azelfie1041]

First. That aside, amazing to see that you're still optimizing this game to its very limits. Great job as always, zallard.

[@SackboyLBP]

Blue shell.

[@SackboyLBP]

Now I'm first.

[@elmos_ak]

Congrats love to see you getting better

[@jacobyoshi3161]

I play Punch Out too! I currently have 4 parts of it. Also, you make this battle look like a cakewalk but in reality, it is a flat out nightmare (I beat him though). It makes playing against Title Defense Super Bogus Man on Champions Mode without dodging, blocking or ducking and only being able to throw one punch at him (I'm referring to Super Bogus Man) look like a cakewalk instead.

[@jacobyoshi3161]

I was struggling slightly in Contender too, only because I kept forgetting to duck whenever he did the two hand smash.

[@cmossmann2025]

Thought is was a repost but realized he saved 0 : 00. 42 seconds on it so good job zallard

[@silverflight01]

0:24 That punch sound is so funny

[@ryanprjgamingchannel9437]

That manhole armor was effective for delaying knockouts... Only for a while.

[@shawnretta1445]

God damn this person will not give up on getting the best possible time for td king hippo

[@muffinstan]

Now it's time to d-d-d-d-drop the bass! 0:33

[@saitinclock238]

Mac: Completely Thrashes King Hippo and only gets hit twice Doc: HEH, MAC CAN ALWAYS TAKE A BEATING

[@KGershkoff]

Mysteryman96: No one can beat this TAS Zallard1: Hold my Beer.........

[@realausome]

I love how the timestamps in the description accidentally show where king hippo is defeated.

[@Lavalobster93]

congrats on the record!

[@envystar687]

Zallard you absolute legend

[@Pacca64]

Good luck with bear hugger!

[@Pacca64]

That was fast ^w^

[@immaguy7905]

That's what she said!

[@TheSamJP]

I have a question. I want to start speedrunning super punch out, and I have a snes classic. Is that a good system to do the speedrun on?

[@zallard1]

The SNES Classic should work fine. The only possible caveat would be that you can't react to Nick's counters at the end of the run, but even on a SNES with a monitor with no input lag, it's still nontrivial to do, so it's not really that big of a deal. You can always guess the type of punch he throws and just throw that and hope he cooperates.

[@MongoBongoLettuce]

+6969 swag points

[@invincibleloonie]

So is it faster to do alternating punches as opposed to a single side punch repeatedly like in previous games? I know that’s why you usually did consecutive left punches in the past, but is there a four frame delay if you use the same limb twice in a row in this game?

[@zallard1]

It only happens in the situation where you've hit the opponent and they're reeling. So for example, if I punch Hippo, and that punch sends him to the side, then if I punch with the same hand as the last punch, you will waste 4 extra frames vs having that punch using the opposite hand. If I were to just do the same side punch repeatedly while he's backed up, it won't waste those 4 frames; they'll be the same amount of time wasted as if you alternated them.

[@Erro]

holy crap!!!!!!

[@rustyguacamoleaf7319]

After removing the manhole cover, mac got punched in the face.

[@mattparsons946]

lol, and they just keep coming. I really need to watch your twitch stream more often.

[@exempttable7150]

I play one punch when I was a kid it was fun to play.😄😄😄😄

[@randomkenworth]

0:19 blud farted

[@domisdude_lol]

well, this is a suprise.

[@jacobwalrath]

Thanks so much for explaining the buffers in this video! You are a god at this game. I like to do attempts myself and i got about a second and a half off from the record pretty quick but i can barely ever match records. Also, I love the buffer by using the pineapples surrounding hippo when he stunned. That is so smart. Also, I would like to know a few things. why did you keep getting up on 5 instead of 4. I heard something about that once for the td von kaiser wr. Also, what is that buffer at 0:54. Like how do you know when to duck. I can't wait to see you continue this game!

[@zallard1]

Thanks! I get up on 5 because otherwise, Hippo's dance cycle will take a tiny bit longer if I get up immediately, so it actually saves a little bit of time per knockdown. You can really pick any part around where I start to duck, but I personally used when the rightmost pineapple touches Hippo's neck as a cue to duck.

[@jacobwalrath]

@@zallard1 Thanks for the explanation!

[@KLightning18]

First There Was The TAS Then The ZAS Then The NAS

[@nutball3756]

i've commented already but, was getting knocked down part of the plan?

[@zallard1]

Yeah, the knockdowns are intentional to manipulate his pattern to be faster.

[@PaipoPaipo404]

I don't know if it would be a good strat for human beings, but have you tried messing with TD mr sandman and knocking him down using his wink attacks after every knockdown? Like, using champion's mode to get yourself knocked down after every succesion of star punches Would that theoretically be able to make consistent early knockdowns in order to get a fast enough TKO for a good time?

[@zallard1]

I haven't tested it personally, but I'm guessing it won't outdo the new strategy that Mysteryman found, which abuses the clock slowdown when you get hit, as well as the slowdown for when you loop him in the first 33 seconds of the fight. That strategy also requires Headgear due to extra resources with hearts :P

[@bestnevermade9129]

I didn’t know king hippo instant knocks down little Mac with that punch, why has that not been happening to me

[@VincentTheMediocreYT]

He’s fighting him on something called champions mode, which you get after winning 10 or so straight fights in macs last stand. Champions mode is a one punch knockdown.

[@bestnevermade9129]

Vincent the mediocre thanks

[@VincentTheMediocreYT]

Best Never Made No problem

[@JimmieJon]

Man I just beat the entire game (up to the first credits) in one go just now I did however lose to soda once

[@siraxolot4262]

Some of those timings just seem so awkward and it puzzles me that you need to get knocked down twice to win the fight faster!

[@xXwatevermanXx]

Is a bout fucking time.

[@ari_amadi_amanzeyoung3556]

win the fight without getting knocked down... I confused

[@jacobbowers8192]

I think hippo is around 550lbs

[@Botfly123]

Zallard chill

[@sylwiajanicka9338]

are there any frame perfect imputs in this speedrun?

[@mercuryrising9758]

Pretty sure all of them are

[@SuperRitz44]

Why let him down you twice?

[@zallard1]

It gives me a faster pattern.

[@mrmega6188]

Mr roboto

[@nutball3756]

now do it blindfolded

[@UncleSamPatriot]

Thank you so much for being inspiration! Your dedication, skill and passion is encouraging, you don't give up but strive for supreme mastery. Congrats! Your game selections like Punch-Out series, Star Fox 64, Splatterhouse series and Sunset Riders, games which I remember so fondly. You brought joy in my life, keep up the great work. Here is my King Hippo speedrun but in real life, haha: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZOXlJ9mpZqlftk

[@lccuber9386]

Epic title defense ngl, but could be better, as usual. It took me a bunch of days to actually beat TD King Hippo

[@zallard1]

You do know my knockdowns are intentional for speed reasons, right? I don't think I'll be able to improve this time.