Putin's Downfall: Military experts outline how Ukraine conflict will end

To mark a year since the invasion of Ukraine began, we speak to a panel of leading military experts. Make time to listen to this unique discussion.
- Maj. Gen. Rupert Jones Former Standing Joint Force Commander.
- Charles Kupchan former senior director for European affairs on the staff of the National Security Council.
- Lord George Robertson Former Sec Gen of NATO.
Former NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson has told Times Radio the West must ramp up production of weapons for Ukraine.
Speaking on a panel on Times Radio's Frontline with Lucy Fisher he said Russia had switched to a 'war economy' and the West needed to catch up:
"Russia is running a war economy, He's declared war on us. Their defence expenditure is going up by 60%. In the last year, year on year, he's opening factories, they are producing more tanks, producing more armoured vehicles, more ammunition, and what do we do? Hardly anything at all. We're running out of these things. And we're certainly not ramping up production in our factories. You the Americans are giving Abrams tanks, great stuff off the production line, not not from their huge store. No. The reason, of course, is because they don't want sensitive technology to get into Russian hands. But you know, but we're not as serious about this war as Russia is. And you know, Leon Trotsky once said, you might not be interested in this war, but this war is interested in you. We should, we should learn that."
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[@CjrRbt]

"Bankers will make sure we are in debt, pharmaceutical companies that we feel bad, arms manufacturers will make sure we fight each other, the media that we don't find out the truth, and governments will make sure everything is legal .... Show, the payment is made at the end ... "

[@thinkerly1]

@@CjrRbt All of which is called "misdirection". This story is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

[@susanfarley1332]

@@thinkerly1 thank you for your comment.

[@bhubankumarchhetri3311]

Russia have many friends . more than 200 country supports Russia . West they have only 50 country support ukraine , some of them are neutral.

[@mrkey1003]

If you want to get closer to understanding Putin just watch Julia Loffe. She is closer than anyone on-line to deconstruct the issues we all face with this version of Russia. You won't be let down and Times Radio should do a major feature with her.

[@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244]

If Russia is allowed to keep any of the territories that they invaded last year, they will declare it a victory. Moreover, this has always been their strategy in the other countries they have invaded or occupied. It's called "salami slicing." Such a "settlement" will only give Russia the opportunity to regroup and arm for the next invasion until they get what they want, which is a return to Soviet Bloc positions. To imagine otherwise is naive.

[@mwtrolle]

We need Ukraine to get its 2013 boarder back, and Russia has to leave Georgia and Moldova.

[@gha9543]

The Black sea will become the Dead sea and Crimea will become Greece ie Economic migrants.

[@khiem1939]

True, the only acceptable outcome is the breakup of the Russian Federation, within 20 years or less Russia will be no problem, that's is if it's still a viable Nation!

[@thinkerly1]

@@mwtrolle Agreed. I propose that after the Russians are kicked out of Ukraine, the Ukrainians help the Moldovans to take back Transnistria. Any ethnic Russians who are not capable of living as a minority should be kicked out.

[@robertmiskey5502]

You are correct. Ukraine can not cede any territory to Russia. Russia will only regroup and continue its attacks. There will be no peace under those conditions.

[@fatbloke6223]

'' It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, it's about the size of the fight in the dog'' Sun Tzu probably...

[@carlfromtheoc1788]

His brother Shi Tzu actually.........

[@bluefox3634]

@@carlfromtheoc1788 I've heard that, due to Ukrainian shelling, the zoo at Belgorod in Russia had to close and all the animals had to be re-homed (none were harmed in the telling of this joke). But actually it wasn't a problem as the zoo only had one animal; it was a dog. In fact, it was a Shi Tzu.

[@SCRUT]

@fatbloke More fight you put in hungry UKR dog you get a dead horse

[@skinni45]

Ukraine already has manpower and equipment problem.

[@turboplazz]

@@skinni45 these people need to wake up. Ukraine is being routed. The cost to win this war is obscenely huge and not worth it for the vast majority of the world. This is nothing more than bruised western egos perpetuating a lost cause.

[@juanmillaruelo7647]

"you may not be interested in this war, but this war is interested in you" Leon Trotsky. A gem of a quote.

[@KenHunter-zu1tc]

The origin is "You may no believe in war but war believes in you."

[@salonez91]

Better is to ask yourself why is that war interested in you ? Why it happened in the first place? Question that nobody wants to talk about in political west elite propagandists.

[@josephphoenix1376]

Lenin,s Key Operative in the Russian Revolution!

[@Viewable11]

A citizen cannot afford to ignore politics. Ignorance can cost your life and those of your loved ones. Even before this, it can cost your freedom.

[@kathleenmann7311]

💯👍 🛑🇷🇺🚀

[@michaelnoble3183]

Never forget two famous quotes. "Speak softly and carry a big stick," and "Peace through strength "

[@clonie9963]

Lol you people are totally deluded Russia is undefeated

[@peace-now]

These two quotes are spoken by bullies and oppressors. People who want peace follow the teachings of Jesus. They are kind and show compassion.

[@igorole]

@@clonie9963 all the comments like this joined youtube between 1 year and a day ago… hmmmm 🧐

[@Valhura77]

Speak softly, well Russia tried that with the Minsk Accords 1 and 2 and the conflict avoidance offers made to Ukraine right before the invasion but as Merkle admitted the Ukrainians agreed to those accords in bad faith to use the time to prepare for war. Well Ukraine is now finding out that Russia has a big stick, it took awhile to get the cobwebs off but as Bakhmut is about to fall, Zelensky is going to find out that what Kissinger said about he US is painfully true "To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal"

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

@@clonie9963 Afghanistan

[@iggle6448]

Lucy Fisher - a great, informed, intelligent and talented interviewer. This piece flowed well and got to the heart of matters.

[@coreyham3753]

The only final solution is regime change in Russia. The Russian people need to take out Putin and his top corrupt cronies.

[@RobLittleuk]

Indeed Lucy is at her best when she is NOT reading from a script

[@jefffehringer4538]

Agreed...this was my first exposure to her and she led the conversation quite well

[@huntergatherer7796]

She is a fluffer.

[@valuggel8972]

But no one dared to ponder the possibility Russia wins🤪

[@marisabenson1222]

The fastest way to end this war is to provide Ukraine with all the means of doing so.

[@drmachinewerke1]

They need W33s to clear Ukraine fields of Russian Trash. This up to about 20 miles from the Russian boarder

[@ebillyboi]

The danger being..Putin using tactical nuclear strikes as a last resort

[@turboplazz]

They are outmatched. With or without weapons. If the last year has not shown you this, then you have a blood thirst. End the bloodshed carve borders build fences and begin living in peace. Winning is Peace. Land does not help anybody that is 6 feet underground.

[@peterwarner553]

@turboplazz there was peace, borders were marked out and agreed upon by both parties and the international community, it didn't stop russia from invading, why wouldn't russia invade in the future given that they have proven they are incapable of respecting treaties in the recent past?

[@davidsnedeker8098]

@@turboplazz another excuse on why your geographic and historical ignorance is obvious? who could be against "peace"? This is the 4th Russian invasion of Ukraine, each time despite Russian promises. And with your ignorance of even events of the last 20 years, it is a sure bet that you are clueless of the millions of Ukrainians killed by russia in the last 50 years. Post less, study more.

[@darrylday30]

“Pay more now or pay much more later” appears to be the message.

[@ananamu2248]

I really like the Scottish guy . Sensible and speaking from the soul.....thankyou

[@helenswan705]

George Robertson. I agree. When I first saw him I thought 'hmmmm' but he spoke with great knowledge and understanding, I am impressed

[@LordandGodofYouTube]

Lucy is a great interviewer.

[@Kingcarparpeggio]

Yes she is…….she doesn’t keep interrupting trying to push her own narrative!!!

[@alainlefebvre9860]

However it ends, Russia has weakened itself like no-one could have ever imagined. They're now viewed as worse than North Korea by billions of people.

[@livingtribunal4110]

Whereabouts in Russia do you live?

[@alainlefebvre9860]

@@livingtribunal4110 irrelevant.

[@livingtribunal4110]

@@alainlefebvre9860 No, it’s relevant: you 'seem' to know - along with billions of others - about life in Russia...so I'm curious which territory/region?

[@noodleppoodle]

@@livingtribunal4110 what are you trying to tell us? That for people inside Russia the country is an enlightened liberal democracy that is doing a great job for its citizens who enjoy wealthy lives and political liberties? And we just don’t see from outside how wonderful and democratic it is?

[@petje2435]

@@livingtribunal4110 He wants to throw you out the window. National sport in Russia 🤣

[@mikedunn7795]

I wasn't going to watch the whole discussion,but got quickly drawn into it. Well done

[@sbirchsbirch6232]

When is Frontline scheduled for? I looked at Times Radio schedule but couldn't find it. I really admire Lucy Fisher and her team's work with this show.

[@qui-si-sana]

Ms. Fisher.. you are such an excellent interviewer. You really know how to employ your formidable intelligence, and it's so nice and refreshing to hear such beautifully spoken English for a change .

[@PAAkhtar]

Nice accent but most of what she says is fed to her by the MI6 propaganda dept. (which, as you know, exists). Ukr is losing big time but all we are told is that Russ is out of amunition, over and over again! China and Iran are not going to let Russ lose.

[@jamesjarrett52]

Another sexist comment remarking on the fact that she is good at her job...as if you expected her not to be.

[@alanhat5252]

@@jamesjarrett52 why are you seeing sexism where there isn't any? Is it you that's sexist & you're filtering through your own biases?

[@Kingcarparpeggio]

@@PAAkhtar : Russian Bot alert.

[@WayneTheSeine]

I love the way Lucy Fisher handles herself....she comes across as very serious, intelligent and very well spoken. Here in America it is more about the makeup, wardrobe, and beauty and having little to do with substance. Lucy has that authentic beauty.....is awesome.

[@tommygun5038]

This is a different forum.

[@govinda102000]

truth. John also with the Times is another fine interviewer also not too much elaboration with his questions.

[@XSD.1.]

I agree fully. American presenters are a pain to listen and watch.

[@sempressfi]

Fellow American and I've really appreciated Lucy Fisher (and Times Radio in general) over the last year 💙 has been a wild experience watching not just Ukraine but the politics going on in the UK not to mention what's going on here at home lol journalists and informed commentators have helped a ton in just processing let alone staying sane!

[@sempressfi]

@@XSD.1. we have a few good ones but very much have appreciated our allies in Europe for the calm yet firm discussions and interviews over the last year!

[@timothyhoran9521]

Excellent interview

[@nikolaivdb]

Great interview, well done Lucy & Times Radio

[@douglastaggart9360]

Do you mean time's radio the Ukrainian and nato propaganda machine.

[@AlanStrandbygaard]

I got a REAL bad feeling listening to Charles Kupchan. It's his kind of opinions we can easily live without.

[@mike03a3]

As an Obama advisor he may be partly responsible for this mess. Obama and the other western leaders barely gave Putin a slap on the wrist when he took Crimea and his little green men invaded the Donbas. How can he seriously think anyone can negotiate a peace with Putin that will actually last.

[@njswampfox474]

Agreed. Subtly pushing appeasement.

[@philwatson2447]

Concur. He repeatedly tried to co-opt the discussion well beyond the questions asked. At best it was bad manners on his part on a UK radio show. The tolerance and good manners of the moderator and other guests were exemplary. As a former USN officer who interfaced with the Royal Navy, I am a great admirer of their expertise and utter professionalism. We Americans would do well to do more listening and less talking.

[@turboplazz]

pick up a gun and go . How many young Ukraine men have to die for you to be happy?

[@AlanStrandbygaard]

@@turboplazz Preferably none. But I wouldn't mind Russian men dying.

[@Gumpmachine1]

We keep fighting with the philosophy of “just enough, just in time”. The mindset needs to be “more than enough, ahead of time”.

[@chrisbaxter5894]

This was one of the most impressive interviews of the Ukraine war I have watched. The insight was remarkable. The direction of the war was clearly explained. So were the difficulties that we as a people will have to accept as a result of this war. Lord Robertson was clearly very knowledgeable as a result of his background. I liked the way the answers were given. I liked the way that for once, a politician actually answered something. Therefore, I can only conclude that he knows the subject. Why is this man not leading his party rather than sitting in the dark like a mushroom. He should be given this broken political party to be run properly. Great viewing.

[@kevinsmith5318]

An excellent and informative interview. A worthy hour plus spent. Well done!

[@douglastaggart9360]

It's they're opinion nothing else.

[@mbtbd]

What was "informative". Just more drivel of brainwashed propagandist. More talk does not necessarily mean more worthwhile information.

[@fishingstevie8830]

Good discussion folks A Scot from from the UK here Slava Ukrainii 💪 👍

[@TommyTCGT]

Slava Rossiya, from Siam.

[@therabbitchannel2059]

These your guys? 2.bp.blogspot.com/-HCb_pFO9FUQ/VYoga3b0dyI/AAAAAAAAzD4/cCJpmbt04SU/s640/azov1.jpg

[@meighme8540]

One Year On! If the UK think that people are not engaged in this war then think again. It is "pivotal" that there is success, Russia needs to withdraw/lose this war otherwise the face of Europe will be changed forever. Europe must remain united and we need to RAMP up production, give Ukraine what it needs to do the job and succeed. Very interesting debate and I do agree - I do not want to have Russia any closer than they were in 2022 and at moment the thought of Russia gaining more ground is deeply worrying.

[@MichaelBegnini]

Russia is Europe’s natural ally

[@bluecanary9417]

@@MichaelBegnini That claim seems to be wrong on so many levels…

[@douglastaggart9360]

I don't know anyone bothered about Ukraine infact you'd be surprised how many people actually support Russia.

[@miskaffon]

​@@douglastaggart9360 Those in love with despots and war for the sake of genocide certainly give vocal support to the invasion and destruction of Ukraine. They do so at their peril; if allowed to continue those "allies" will find themselves instead "subjects".

[@torealexandersen2179]

Such a pool of competent people, also thank you to the moderator for doing an excellent job. Let's keep up the international collaboration, so we never again see a world war. Love and peace from Denmark

[@warrenbrewin950]

Really excellent commentary by all.

[@paulkroon4931]

Did anyone consider that China can now take advantage of Russians current economic and militairy weakness ?

[@evolassunglasses4673]

They work together. Particularly with BRICS. The Ruble is higher than before the invasion.

[@paulkroon4931]

@@evolassunglasses4673 And what about the new Silk Road running through Russias backyard, countries that become more and more difficult to control by Moscow are leaning more towards China now?

[@din6675]

I'm sure it's all the Russian elites are thinking about. Before long they will be little more to China than what Belarus is to them.

[@MichelleBlessing]

China are coming for their land back!

[@fatty3383]

I think that will come eventually.

[@hasselnttper3730]

This is so much better than all the 5 minute clips. DO MORE LONG FORMAT DISCUSSIONS!

[@jimmccork]

Great three way interview, and very delicately handled. Robertson impresses as a man who is able to rise far above petty party politics within the U.K..

[@kirtap2601]

Very well done, Times Radio. Most interesting and informative. Thank you.

[@mchozen2958]

Great discussion. Thank you from Ukrainian Diaspora in Canada

[@dennisfoyle1]

After one year of debates, this one actually made sense. Thank you.

[@TommyTCGT]

US Col. Doug MacGrehor makes much more sense,, as does Moon of Alabama.

[@ettan2007]

@@TommyTCGT 🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@gusrathore1524]

NATO build up in 2014, got vlads attention, enjoy celebrating the anniversary

[@scotmorton195]

Most impressively informative interview and panel. Thank you!

[@evabrunson8413]

Great interview…

[@martybreen6228]

Without doubt, THE BEST PANEL DISCUSSION I’ve seen on Ukraine since the start of the war. Brilliantly facilitated by Lucy Fisher and three outstanding highly qualified and insightful guests. Well done Times Radio. Big fan! 👍

[@turboplazz]

really ? Because they are giving you false hope ? Stop the war lick your wounds and move forward. This is stupidity .

[@marievichaywood4098]

Yes good old propaganda is hard to ignore.

[@catherineandpaulfuters2523]

Thank you for your coverage 🇪🇺🇺🇦🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇦🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇦🇬🇧

[@jamesmorrison3641]

Could you tell us about the dealings you had with the Hollie Greig problem Lord George.

[@drunkendrew217]

really enjoyable and informative

[@douglastaggart9360]

It's they're opinion nothing else. Why are people like you so guilable.

[@rookiediver]

Highly impressive interviewer. Clearly knows her brief very well and fluently linking answers between panellists without ever seemingly looking at her notes.

[@livingtribunal4110]

Mayybe she should be nominated for a gold star? 🤷‍♂

[@jessehachey2732]

@@livingtribunal4110 *yawn* grow TF up 🙄

[@jamesjarrett52]

Are you a bit of a sexist? You seem a bit surprised.

[@alanhat5252]

@@jamesjarrett52 given the recent calibre of journalists sexism is irrelevant to the surprise.

[@vsiegel]

@@jamesjarrett52 She is exceptionally good independent of gender.

[@aarhusnord]

The war is not totally over before Russia has been made into a democratic, peaceful, civilian society with a leadership we can talk with. Russia has to leave its Empire ambitions and Soviet Union heritage. Greetings from Denmark 🇩🇰

[@joecool9739]

Thats not going to happen because Russians dont want democracy, they want an emperor/generalissimo/dictator

[@aarhusnord]

@@joecool9739 They have a very long history for that - but that will be what is needed, in case we don't want to see other wars coming out of Moscow. Just like the Germans were de-nazified after May 1945, the somewhat same process must happen in Russia.

[@anthonymorris2276]

A magnificent ambition, but a very unrealistic one. In the last 1,000 years, Russia has enjoyed roughly 11 years of genuine democracy. It is hard to instil democratic instincts in a population which doesn’t even understand the concept.

[@joecool9739]

@@anthonymorris2276 Russia hasnt existed for 1000 years

[@aarhusnord]

@@anthonymorris2276 An ambition, yes, but do we have real alternatives in case we do not want a new Putin coming ahead every generation, starting new wars? We can make Russia a pariah state, try to lock them in or out, but then the population will fall victims to new dictators saying they wish to "make Russia great again". Japan also seemed to me, to have an aggressive history and culture for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, up until 1945.

[@markjennings2315]

A British army officer that’s actually called Rupert! Lol 😂 That’s like a British airways pilot being called Nigel!! Lol

[@damienwatson9102]

Thank you for a 1 sided panel. Doing a great job

[@chocksaway100]

Yep business as usual.

[@hrvojesvetec3058]

Only way to end this sooner than later is to speed up and boost up the military support..

[@tonupharry]

Yes if we provide weapons

[@alteredbeast7145]

@stv1 of course they can. The mujihadeen did it with less

[@utternonsenseproductions2415]

BS

[@nanashi1253]

Charles cautiously admits Ukraine's defeat. Are Ukranian soldies still fighting? I heard most of them have been destroyed by now, and foreign soldiers (like Poles) are fighting for Ukraine now.

[@jamesheath7596]

That’s not going to happen nato has admitted that they are running out.

[@judithcampbell1705]

President Zelenskyy is the Churchill in spirit and determination and has the courage to match. Lucy Fisher is the best interviewer on topics. Thank you 💛

[@SCRUT]

@judith Zelensky is the new God. Insane suicidal world

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[@SCRUT]

@@1jediwitch Nice girl bot. UKR chose the freedom to be USA war base against RU. No glory, no heroes, just huge suffering and destruction to UKR people and hundreds of thousands of UKR troops KIA and wounded, all victims of suicidal project

[@artemg9753]

I can’t remember - did Churchill and his wife also sell their property and withdraw money abroad?

[@djuni24]

🤡

[@elletuppen4844]

Brilliant discussion. Thank you

[@PAAkhtar]

it's a chat-show based on regurgitating MI6 propaganda.

[@wynpencarreg7535]

Subscribed. Thank you.

[@orcahang21]

God 💪 Bless 👊 Ukraine 🇺🇦!

[@MrThartofwar]

Sorry god don’t support terrorist :)

[@snippe1346]

Ukrane soldiers The heroes of this war they’ve inspired the whole world for they bravery and resilience✊💪👍🇺🇦

[@TommyTCGT]

Imaginary deities cannot bless, however much the simple minded babble into the ether..

[@Furious703]

God left long ago this dump.

[@CjrRbt]

Ukrainians are related to Russians, they also speak Russian! Not to mention that the resources on that territory are not used for their well-being, but are used for the benefit of those in the West. There is nothing to defend! Do you want peace? Then it's simple: Don't fight! You have nothing to fight for! The media washes people brains and makes them hate each other!

[@sassulusmagnus]

The Ukrainians might have been able to take better advantage of winter conditions if the Western nations hadn't taken so long to decide to send tanks. Let's hope the transfer of aircraft proceeds without further delay.

[@howiescott5865]

A-10's and F-16's

[@Valhura77]

@@howiescott5865 Yes send more pointless weapons, the Ukrainians had an airforce the Russians have pretty good AA systems. A-10 and F16s are only effective against farmers in Afghanistan but unlike you the US already knows this and wont send them just to be shot down.

[@pinkkennedy1615]

Tanks have been unsuccessful in Ukraine targeted by Drones if used in open , and how would they fare in Wet conditions as Western Tanks are twice the weight and difficult to maintain

[@mandytrickett1106]

Our goverment played you to keep themselves ritch your a joke

[@mandytrickett1106]

Get heads of state in room have fist fight stop killing your people's who pay your wages to give there lives for you to be ritch live like kings wake up please

[@raulgarcia8705]

Why did Boris presured Zelensky to step away from negotiations allmost a year ago? Exactly

[@cariad4297]

Truly excellent and informative content

[@TheHighlanderprime]

Charles Kupchan, the American’s alternative talks about an end to the war that would amount to a Putin victory with Ukrainian territories. There’s no bringing the war to an end reasonably with Putin at the helm in Russia.

[@albertodarla715]

He's a mediocre bureaucrat not understanding east europeans at all.

[@jpdemer5]

There's a reason he's a FORMER member of the NSC.

[@PAAkhtar]

@@jpdemer5 Yes, he does not like war and killing enough.

[@Mortablunt]

Not willing to give the politicians the post hoc justifications to continue their failing schemes.

[@garyturner5739]

Except if your in the camp of DonaldTrump.

[@richardjohnson3463]

Excellent and fascinating interview, thank you

[@Zenfix1]

"Love is an energy, love is a mystery, love is meant to be true. Love is a part of me, love is the heart of me, love is the best thing we do." ~ Ashlee Simpson

[@TOMAS-lh4er]

Putin is going to declare that he is granting Ukraine a short cease-fire, one last chance to agree to his wanting Crimea and such, before he orders his army to destroy Ukraine, But Ukraine will not cease firing again And the world will know that Putins army is done, it cant actually go on and can be defeated and forced out of Ukraine,

[@simonliddell1897]

Very good piece of journalism.

[@njm3211]

An eventual cease fire will only be advantageous to Russia. Ukraine and the Western allies must keep up unrelenting pressure until Putin is in someway deposed. Russia has set itself back economically for a generation. It is a pariah nation in Europe and the West. NATO and the EU have been strengthened.

[@SCRUT]

@NJM You just confirm and justify RU claims better than Putin's speeches

[@njm3211]

@@SCRUT LOL

[@therabbitchannel2059]

What planet are you from? EU going down the tubes. You might want to consider your sources of info. FYI Russia's trade surplus has doubled since the war began while EU economy is in shambles.

[@srambrero]

it will also be advantageous for thousands of people that wont die on both sides if you care about that kinda stuff

[@hermanbester1751]

So the west want another zelensky puppet in russia and that is why putin must be deposed? If not the west will ruin russia economically. No wonder the russians hate the west.....

[@chuckkottke]

A Marshall Plan for European Recovery helped Europe rebuild after the war from 1948-51, from strategic thinking to implementing policies and programs aimed at rebuilding Europe. If well planned, coordinated, and implemented, Ukraine could be rebuilt with great success, and yes, the frozen Russian assets should be seized and used to help pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine, although the cost could exceed 1 billion Euros by some estimates.

[@4wdflying]

Far more than €1billion could be more like 100x that already

[@gha9543]

@@4wdflying WW3 has just began and destructions of occupied terrorities has only just begun. We were promise a trilogy and not a trailer. Lets sit tight and camera is rolling for "Emphire strikes Back " I believe Bollywood has a guest appearance last year.

[@AAB463]

Russia has to be demilitarized or preferably democratized first or they will continue to return

[@juskahusk2247]

The perfect insult to Putin. He would see Ukraine fully rebuilt with shining skyscrapers and a thriving economy while the Kremlin crumbles around him and rainwater drips on his head because they don't have enough roubles to pay for repairs.

[@brucekliewer2623]

@@4wdflyingyes. But there will be full employment to rebuild Ukraine. Their economy will boom after the war. Ukraine also needs to tap into the oil and gas under the DONBASS.

[@TheMrCougarful]

Great list of guests, excellent interview.

[@AndrewAHayes]

I was wetting myself laughing when the names were read out, in the British military high up officers are nicknamed Ruperts!

[@powerjets3512]

For Ukraine to be independent and viable, it needs southern coastal ports for import and export. Didn't hear this basic fact.

[@blueberry-ri7eb]

That is one main direction it appears for Putin to control all the ports.

[@alanhat5252]

it was mentioned though, in the context of Ukraine being Europe's breadbasket.

[@powerjets3512]

@@alanhat5252 It is not just Europe's breadbasket as we know. It will have to sell the grains and anything else to Russia for it to export or pay transit fees equivalent to the gas ones. An economic stranglehold on a destroyed country.

[@andyhurrell]

17:20 What's the difference between Ukraine "not being able to fully reclaim territorial sovereignity" and Ukraine "losing"? Charles Kupchan seems to be hedging his bets. These "experts" should make their minds up whether or not they believe in the possibility and/or desirability of a Ukrainian victory. Surely, a Ukrainian victory means the defeat militarily of the Russian invader. Slava Ukraine!

[@1Eagler]

Better be alive with one leg.

[@oconnor6456]

Everyone knows Ukraine is not capable of doing it no matter how wet you get about that thought

[@andyhurrell]

@@oconnor6456 It must surely be way past your bedtime. Does your mum know what you get up to online?

[@IDNeon357]

Russia is winning

[@jockmoron]

Ukraine "lost" the moment Russia invaded. The neocons in the US actually wanted this war, and they couldn't give a flying f....k for the people in Ukraine.

[@JeffLines]

Terrific interview!

[@johnandreu9115]

So is the goal to win the war or to achieve a stalemate? None of the military experts I know consider a stalemate to be a desirable result. But it would explain why everyone is dragging their feet with the weapons.

[@hrvojesvetec3058]

We MUST send Ukraine lot more tanks,long range rockets,ammunition etc..100% sure they can push thru russian lines and push them out of most of their land,they just need the right equipment to do so

[@Mike-lt6sj]

This war will end with no Ukrainian soldiers left and foreign intervention in an incremental escalation, and possibly a nuclear attack.

[@bhubankumarchhetri3311]

You don’t have enough ammunition for own , how can you send to ukraine more ammunition?? Can you sell your house ???😂😂

[@hrvojesvetec3058]

@@bhubankumarchhetri3311 BS of course therers enough but sure stockpiles gets smaller so the industri must get to work now and make sure theres enough..if we want it to be enough it WILL be enough

[@SCRUT]

@Hrvoje Are you so bored to incite war, war war? UKR is destroyed. Do you need more destruction?

[@onemustlivefree]

@@bhubankumarchhetri3311- with all the countries supporting Ukraine, they'll get what they need. "He who laughs last, laughs best," the joke will be on you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Slava Ukraini. 💙💛

[@johntokn]

This was by far the best discussion on Ukraine I've heard, and I've watched quite a lot. I've been very disappointed with the commentators such as George Galloway, and others, spouting negative thoughts.

[@emmanuelmutinda1351]

There no way Ukraine could have accommodated Russian's enemy (nato) and expect peace.

[@suzyqualcast6269]

@@emmanuelmutinda1351 NATO isn't about making room for 'it'. Look at it more as a 'all for one, one for all' association. Tisnt an army from anywhere, but a force of and for peace from everywhere.

[@emmanuelmutinda1351]

@@suzyqualcast6269This war has very long history,NATO is the cause of conflict in Ukraine/Russia,Serbia/Kosovo.

[@airhabairhab]

It's called freedom of speech if you want an echo chamber don't find some propaganda.

[@peorakef]

@@emmanuelmutinda1351 bullocks

[@helenswan705]

I agree with all the comments on here. what impressed me? Yes the interviewer, most intelligent and respectful. But also how those experienced men actually paid attention to each other! it was clearly visible, especially of course George and Rupert who were on screen together. Good to see.

[@MrVomikron]

Excellent questions by the moderator.

[@roytetwart]

I must say, that was one of the most informative discussions I have ever had the privilege of witnessing. People speaking common sense from all angles. Quite remarkable in this day of age.

[@pyroboobysmith359]

All angles? As long as you hate Russia.

[@douglastaggart9360]

It can't be a discussion can it because no one was putting the Russian points of view across waa there

[@straighttalking2090]

Good, in depth conversation from those in a good position to know. Nice to get this online. The BBC can shove their tv licence.

[@dan_taninecz_geopol]

Poland's ascension in NATO is an under discussed outcome of this war. As time goes by this may be seen as the emergence of a much more important Poland back onto the European geopolitical stage.

[@govinda102000]

Excellent interview. Worth the hour.

[@PAAkhtar]

It's a chat-show with MI6 regurgitated propaganda.

[@agateplanet]

@@PAAkhtar Slava 💛💙

[@Shutup0817]

Great programme 👍

[@leelagoswami9010]

Excellent discussion!

[@jobl5505]

What about implementing the Minsk agreement, should we have done that ?

[@toi_techno]

I'm sick of hearing about a supposed "war" with NATO. Russia would last about two hours and would be whining about nuclear weapons from the safe side of their border. It's nonsensical to keep saying it.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

America could not defeat shepherd's in Afghanistan

[@Kodakcompactdisc]

I think you’re being generous to the russians with the 2 hours

[@musiconabudget3712]

​@@Kodakcompactdisc more likely the whole of Europe will be having nuclear winters in about 30nminutes

[@mwtrolle]

@@Kodakcompactdisc to be fair in case of a NATO vs Russia war, NATO would start with an air offensive, grinding down the Russian air defenses would probably take 2 weeks or so. Also more equipment and troops would have to be moved up to the war zone, that takes time.

[@DarylSaunders737]

@@evolassunglasses4673 Neither could Russia.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@seanlindsay7610]

All these people that keep saying there needs to be a coversation about how to end this war just gives putin and his cronies the belief that they can get what they want and the west is becoming sick of this war. Which in the end makes putin win. Just send what ukraine are asking for and they will end this war on their terms.

[@gw10758]

Sending more armor will not bode well for Ukraine. Russia controls the airspace and the ISR batllespace. All the west has done is to ADD more Ukrainian deaths to their quest to expand NATO.

[@lindseyreese1124]

We learned enough about how weak their army is now. The death and destruction should stop for now. Getting China involved would cinch it. NATO shouldn't be too worried about Russian expansion with the army they have now. Pretty embarrassing!!

[@gw10758]

@@lindseyreese1124 All we have done is to force Russia to begin building up an army again to protect itself against the 'west'. Their current war machine is churning out hundreds of thousands of rounds of small arms ammo each day now. The world is playing right into the globalists hands by promoting the conflict. Such a shame.

[@txup92g33]

Not gonna happen. The USA is 📈 by supplying Ukraine with weapons of war. Business is booming. No need to end it now

[@santacruzman]

Good God, does anyone have a time stamp for when this video gets to the point?

[@joelundrigan6752]

Tks…what the world needs and contemplate!

[@Keithlfpieterse]

Thanks to all the participants for an excellent panel discussion which has given me food for thought. May the war end sooner rather than later.

[@Inkkari9]

Evaluation of Russia - Martti J Kari Ex intelligence colonel explaining Russian psyche

[@alanhat5252]

@@Inkkari9 ok, that's one opinion, do you have others?

[@Inkkari9]

@@alanhat5252 what do you mean?

[@ninemoonplanet]

@Alan Hat two Russian people on KZbin both know Putin very well and the people in Russia because they were born, lived in Russia for decades. "Inside Russia", Konstantin, and Vlad Vexler. Try watching them to gain a lot of insight into the Russian people.

[@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist3]

Repent to Jesus Christ “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬ hg

[@2106harish]

Excellent analysis by expert guests. Great interviewer.

[@sneakyone9865]

Of course completely bias but that doesn’t matter. We mustn’t mention any context prior to 2022

[@alanhat5252]

@@sneakyone9865 you seem to have missed much of the show, did you doze off? Have you watched any of it?

[@sneakyone9865]

@@alanhat5252 yep, no mention of the US backed coup in 2014 🤷‍♂️

[@douglastaggart9360]

It was totally biased

[@agateplanet]

@@douglastaggart9360 Slava baby 💛💙 You sad russians need to start thinking for yourselves about your problems. Oh wait, you're not allowed. I forgot for a moment. 💛💙

[@jennyvanwyk4796]

I love times radio such good talks

[@marisadallavalle393]

Superb interview, thank you.

[@dianedean4170]

Thanks so much for posting this discussion. Excellent information from intelligent and experienced people. Peace through strength. I hope we can manage this belief in West.

[@PAAkhtar]

George Robertson lied over and over again in 2002-3 when he said that Iraq had WMD. He is anything but intelligent. Peace through strength, that's what they say in Russia too.

[@douglastaggart9360]

How can it be a discussion it they're is only one side being taken

[@agateplanet]

@@PAAkhtar I think you know that well 💛💙

[@tonyking9235]

🤣🤣🤣 YOU BELIEVE PEACE BY WAR . 🤣🤣🤣

[@chrisrobert5252]

"The main object of operations should not be the territory or fortified point of the enemy, but his army; only its defeat can decide the outcome " Helmut von Moltke

[@alteredbeast7145]

There is no going back, no "negotiated settlement" as the talking heads say. They're completely missing the point that Russia has created an implacable and mortal enemy forever.

[@chewbaccassecretlovechild2607]

I think you don't understand Mr P at all. He is all about fun ! Everyone who knows him will say off camera, " what a fun guy

[@SCRUT]

@chris It's exactly Putin's strategy to destroy UKR army and NATO mercs Anyway USA/NATO escalating war against Russia looks insane What for pushing to the brink of crazy nuclear war?

[@SCRUT]

@@alteredbeast7145 You have a beast logics. USA created enemy RU, acting at RU borders 10000 km from home

[@alteredbeast7145]

@@SCRUT then that's the way it is, this only ends one way, with Russias defeat.

[@NikosKatsikanis]

wow, well-done getting in-person guests like these

[@yazminrobinson1184]

You are delusional.

[@NikosKatsikanis]

@@yazminrobinson1184 you are in a pit of Russian trolling 💩 😆

[@ronmorrison1964]

Time is of the essence!!

[@frederickrose3967]

I really hope that Charle's views are not representative of US leadership. A ( in my view) approach that gives Ukraine just enough resources to not lose but not enough to win so we can impose some manner of a settlement down the road is deeply short sighted, cynical and will cost thousands of Ukrainian lives needlessly. A Russia unbowed will always be waiting to pounce at the first chance. Ukraine needs to win, not simply not lose.

[@awuma]

Lord Robertson is the voice of wisdom here.

[@PAAkhtar]

Do you mean the lies about WMD he kept spouting back in 2002-3. His wisdom must have been recently acquired. He is a war-monger and should have been tried for crimes against humanity for his part in the Iraq War.

[@AimEmery]

Wow what high level guests!

[@Sticky-gp2yh]

Wow, to listen to 4 intelligent people. Never heard the words "like" "literally" once and no annoying positive inflections at the end of sentences which is so grating.

[@TimHayton]

Very interesting, thank you.

[@CorneliusSchick]

Thanks for this good discusion.

[@Kingcarparpeggio]

Excellent discussion with knowledgeable guests. Can anyone here in UK imagine this being chaired by the likes of Piers Morgan, Julia Hartley-Brewer, Mike Graham, Richard Madeley or worse still Kay Burley 😱.

[@insightsman196]

Great panel and Interviewer, seamless on Transition form panel members, intelligent, thoughtful, I am use to the crazy media here in America so polarized and people yelling, even miss leading people, this was like a breath of Fresh Air, thank you to all the panel members and the interviewer

[@brianfreeman8290]

30.30 'Our front line is not the white cliffs of Dover . . .' So true.

[@janewilkin1984]

They were in Iraq and Afghanistan

[@PAAkhtar]

LOL.......where is it then, surely not Iraq/Afghanistan ? Some people never learn.

[@peetky8645]

lucy fisher is great

[@arnovriends5873]

A note to Lord George Robertson's statement ( 1:04:30 h ) that Russia has 70.000 nuclear weapons, that's factually incorrect by a large measure, Russia has currently a stockpile of 5997 of which 1588 are ready to use. That's quite a difference, this is still a massive arsenal for sure but also quite the fumble considering Lord George Robertson is a former Secretary General of NATO. *Oeps*

[@surfingonmars8979]

“The key lesson is ‘don’t believe Vladimir Putin.’” - Lord George Robertson - gee, no kidding, Georgie……

[@garyturner5739]

George is little bit of an apologist for war criminal dictactor Putin. The point of stopping this war as soon as possible is the real danger of escaulation happening. It will take only a missile to hit Poland or another nation ground the war zone, to start things off. This Ukraine War is the Cuba Missile Crisis for 21st century.

[@khiem1939]

For those who state that the Ukraine should relinquish part of their Nation to Russia, what PART of THEIR NATION'S would they be willing to give to Russia?

[@sylviahutchison5203]

Agree

[@onemustlivefree]

ruZZia should get nothing. And furthermore, it should be kicked back to its 2014 border. Slava Ukraini. 💙💛

[@airhabairhab]

Your house!

[@1man1bike1road]

Ukraine at the end of the cold war accepted having less land than they had before soviet times but they will give no more land again

[@eskilolsen3783]

Charles Kupchan could offer Alaska in exchange for russians leaving the Ukrainian borders as they were in 2013.

[@gordonjohnston684]

I don’t feel you have answered the question, in the hook line?

[@peterbreis5407]

Interesting...

[@nifralo2752]

27:09 "close to being a dicator " He already is one. Russian elections are no different from those in Syria Iran North Korea Cameroon etc

[@TommyTCGT]

Keeping in mind that.. US ILLEGALLY invaded 27 countries since WW2, murdering nearly 2M civvies.

[@turboplazz]

lol go educate yourself on the democratic party strategies of the most recent election in the USA before you start talking about foreign elections.

[@nifralo2752]

@@turboplazz I'm Scottish, what is it with Russian trolls ? Do you you guys think only Russia America and Ukraine exist?

[@nifralo2752]

@@TommyTCGT which is less than the number Russia invaded. Estonia Latvia Lithuania Poland Romania Hungary Czechsolvakia Khazakstan Tajikistan Iran Azerbaijan Armenia Georgia Siberia Uzbekistan Mongolia China Finland. Plus in the west famines stopped being a thing 200 years ago. You had famines AFTER the 2nd world war.

[@jdelorenzod2725]

@@turboplazz The USA has a different system. They call themselves a "democracy" but it is a defacto Jewish oligarchy. They are under total Jew control.