Putin's Religious Mission, Gary Lachman

[@RebelWisdom]

The longer written piece on Sensemaking Russia & Ukraine is just published on our Substack, with multiple links to articles and useful threads: rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/sensemaking-russia-and-ukraine-rebel?

[@sheilac5319]

And a brilliantly written newsletter today in our inboxes! Many thanks, David.

[@MarkusBohunovsky]

Who is he talking about around 31:00? Dugan? Dugin? Doogen? Can't find anything about him. (showing my ignorance here)

[@jjuniper274]

Has anyone done a deep dive into Putin's genealogy? Is he related to Russian nobility or high-ranked officials from before the Bolsheviks? Does he think he has noblesse oblige?

[@RebelWisdom]

@@MarkusBohunovsky Aleksandr Dugin: tec.fsi.stanford.edu/docs/aleksandr-dugins-foundations-geopolitics

[@ganeshaa23]

@@MarkusBohunovsky Google Alexander Dugin Russia

[@kyukyu5982]

I continually find it terrifying that small groups of extremely powerful and influential people take it upon themselves to speak for entire nations, entire populaces and go forth doing supposedly their bidding. But what never happens is consensus, what never is achieved is unity, though so many conquers say this is what they are fighting for. The drums of war are beat, nationalism is envoked, religion is weaponized and some ruler, a king, a general, a president, or council is formed and lands that once stood independent get swallowed up in someone else's dream of what the future should be. We are all humans, our cultures, our unique properties and characteristics born from our unique situations which gives our species resilience. We differ not because we couldn't all choose to be the same (or force), but because specific situations require that we differ in order to survive. One human equipped for one environment suddenly thrown into a far away land will quickly realize the importance of our species ability to be different than one another. Some humans have abilities that other humans do not, all of us crafted specifically to meet the challenges unique to each individuals life. We specialize and adapt for the environments we grow in. These differences are not to be feared or controlled, for doing so will surely mean that eventually our species will not possess the unique abilities needed to survive in a world that is constantly changing. Cultures that decide for the rest of the world what is best only accelerate our demise. We do need unity, we do need all humans to come together. But not to become all the same, but to agree that our differences do matter. They are not something to fight over (though some fighting is inevitable) but instead our differences are something to be respected, admired, studied, and appreciated. For what makes one culture unique from another is what makes our species strong and beautiful.

[@JDMumma]

Sometimes the large group repeatedly invests, gives their power away, supports... the "small group." Those that understand mental parasites, cognitive contagions, idea infections... realize that it takes very little for the few ("small group") to (mentally) infect the large group.

[@kyukyu5982]

@@JDMumma I'm currently having this conversation with a friend of mine. I think many many people understand this concept in bits and pieces. What I think very few of us or any of us know is how to identify what causes the take over or how to reverse it. What's even scarier to me is it seems many people are gearing up for battle, but have absolutely no clue who or what they are battling. The really scary people are the ones certain that they "know" exactly who to battle.

[@JDMumma]

@@kyukyu5982 I am close to launching a Mental Self-Defense training system to in-power our global human family to prepare for, identify, and defend against dozens - potentially hundreds - of different types of cognitive infiltrations and attacks - aka acquired mental immunity.

[@mavrosyvannah]

Ok the first statement was bizarre. It's like Canada It's not a country blah blah blah. Canada is literally 7 countries/cultures pretending to be one. So completely different from coast to coast.

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

More than ever, I believe it’s important to understand the Russian perspective. Even if you consider them to be an enemy, you need to know how they are thinking, and what they are thinking. If not, you’re just walking in the dark

[@RebelWisdom]

Always good to incorporate more points of view, but do you mean the Russian perspective, or Putin's perspective? These aren't necessarily the same thing.

[@universalflamethrower6342]

@@RebelWisdom i f this is an existential fight then they very well could be the same

[@kraxmalism]

@@universalflamethrower6342 completely agree. that is why despite all economic, political problems and catastrophic mismanagement, his popularity was around 60-70 per cent among Russians.

[@wodenravens]

@@kraxmalism He has almost complete control of the media and has arrested people who pose a political threat to him, including assassinating threats to his regime. If there were actually space for dissent, you would see that popularity level drop significantly.

[@jjuniper274]

@@RebelWisdom I am assuming you are working on this angle, but is there anyway to get more of a psychologist's view of the whole situation? What could make a person think this behavior is okay?

[@pamcollins2178]

Was he referring to all Jan 6 protesters as barbarians?!

[@MrSporkster]

He was, and they are.

[@michaelparsons3007]

In my experience with Eastern Orthodoxy I’ve the past few years I would say that the emphasis on “the end times” is not as all consuming as it is in the West, especially Protestantism. There’s not this obsession with the end but acknowledgement that what we do know fashions us into the image or person that we will be when the time comes when we it comes. I don’t have expert religious history on Russia in particular though but it is wise to not both Ukraine and Russia share the same faith. Jonathan Pageau would be a great one to help gain perspective on this issue.

[@tensevo]

Agreed, If I understand correctly, cessation was accounted for in the philosophy, when people want to be adult and self-determining, they should be free to do so, but until then fatherland Russia will look after them and treat them like children. The question then is, well why now do they want to remove that self-determination by force of Ukraine, running counter to all religious texts. My answer would be, it is not religious at all, it is a power grab plain and simple based on a tenuous cooked up collective identity, that Ukraine does not even subscribe to. Were it not for the Soviet Union, I would buy the whole collectivist doctrine, hook, line and sinker. When we say Russia now wants this, it wants that, we really mean "Putin" wants this, he wants that. I wont be looking too deep into the religious aspect of Russia, whenever there is a state and military involved. Agreed though Pageau would be your man.

[@tensevo]

@Rudy Jacket I'm afraid this has almost nothing to do with fascism in Ukraine, it has everything to do with unexploited oil and gas resouces in ukraine, plus geo-strategic location. Borderlands between two super-powers is terribly dangerous place to live. It should be a DMZ.

[@Fantabiscuit]

Agreed. Greek Orthodoxy does not focus on the end times. I don’t know why he thinks this

[@islandbuoy4]

Jonathan Pageau could use a shrink his name is Carl Jung ... Jung's theory of a collective unconscious was bang on ... universal archetypes and dynamic symbol are ever emergent and form the basis of ALL stories ALL of 'em ... Pageau is blinded by his own inner light a cognitive bias programmed since birth to believe in the shit he does ... he will never convince me the fake son of god who walked on water and fed 5000 sheeple with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread was real as documented ... Pageau is not an alchemist, a mystic, nor a scienctist. Jung was all three, so was Newton who was an Arian who believed the trinity was bullshit

[@michaelwalseman7747]

This guy was really traumatized by Trump. That bit didn’t bring anything to the conversation.

[@esterhudson5104]

Yup. So if Trump runs again, he’ll have to associate himself with the so-called “evil Putin”. Not buying it. This guy is laying the groundwork for that.

[@conscious_being]

Russia does _not_ want former Soviet Republics (except the 3 Baltic States) in their enemy camp and is willing to do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening. How difficult is _that_ to comprehend? Why do you need to psychoanalyse Putin or Russia to understand such a simple thing?🙄

[@LLlap]

I want your home. What next?

[@conscious_being]

@@LLlapPutin is _not_ looking to kick anyone out of their homes. He wants Ukraine not to join his enemies and treat Russian speaking Ukrainians as fellow Ukrainians with rights to their language and culture. If that is too difficult for Ukrainians, he is ready to make sure it is going to be more difficult to be otherwise. By the way taking what doesn't belong to them (banditry) is the Western habit, not Russian.

[@dolphin069]

@@conscious_being forget to read any history books?

[@LLlap]

@@conscious_being Yeah. I want your home and your wife. She told me you can`t please her. I will if you can`t.

[@dolphin069]

@@conscious_being dropping HE on apartment blocs is definitely wanting to kick people out of their homes.

[@aidanpartridge713]

From my years of personal understanding, we are looking at old western philosophy of freedom vs modern woke philosophy of what freedom is. This is a sad situation. My heart goes to all peoples, we need to be more together, we must hold strong to get to where we need to be together.

[@hermitthefrog8951]

Crowds quickly go mad together but slowly recover individually. We're beginning the slow individual recovery followed (hopefully) by a re-coalescing of same like-minded good people the world over. It's a long cycle that repeats over and over again.

[@tmaxyb]

Just throwing it out there but could there be a simpler more reasonable explanation of Putin's behaviour? Could it be that we might say the EU behaved badly when they coopted or even directed the Madan protests. Could it be anything to do with America, Victoria Nulan and Jeff Pyat and the interference in Ukraine politics and picking the new government. Could it be anything to do with the long term advance of NATO despite all the assurances that were given before the unification of Germany that NATO would not advance one inch towards Russia. Could be anything to do with the human barbecue in the union building in Odessa. Could it be the crap that happened in Georgia in 2008. Could it have anything to do with the 14000 people killed in the Donbas region since 2014 by the Ukrainian army and the nazi Azov battalions in particular. Could it be the cutting off of water and food. Could it be the fact that Ukraine has been taking gas from the Russian transit pipelines. Could it be the money the Ukrainians owe for gas used. Could it have anything to do with the Americans arming Ukraine to the teeth. Could it be anything to do with the complete lack of progress by the Ukraine government on the Minsk 2 and their refusal to talk to the leaders of the Donbas region. Could it be the fact that the Ukrainian government refused to cooperate with the Minsk accords because the Americans did not apply any pressure for them to do so. Or is it that Putin has suddenly become a religious nationalist maniac

[@sunmoonstars3879]

Well said, there is an agenda to whip up the masses into a pro global war mindset and paint putin as the evil religious psychopath. The cabal that runs this world can’t stand nationalism or god forbid Christian’s who value family above consumerism. Putin stands up for Russia fiercely, that doesn’t fit the globalists plan. Why are folk so easily manipulated, you’d think two years of covid propaganda would have made them question everything the msm and governments tell them, but it seems not!?

[@geoffwest396]

Thank you for this concise analysis and explanation of what brought us to this crisis.

[@lisacanary155]

Putin scares the hell out of the new world order.

[@1111guru]

Thank you for all of those great points. I will pass that on to my media brainwashed friend that text me last night saying someone should assasinate Putin. Such an ignorant statement didn't even deserve a response but that's the kind of hate porn being propagated around the world. Discusting people don't even do any research..Just read the hyperbolic headlines they are spoon fed. Very disturbing.

[@DickMoves1971]

I was thinking the same thing as I was l listening to gary's ignorance

[@deanswift9132]

This was a good discussion, but the praise of Zelensky as a hero was really misplace and you could tell the Lachman wasn’t completely comfortable with his own words in that section (slightly awkward and pensive maybe). Could this be because Lachman knows that Zelensky’s ‘government’ has been responsible for the murder of thousands of women, children and old people in the Donbass region, all in the name of the vacuous Western ‘vision’?

[@dolphin069]

Source?

[@mostlydead3261]

@@dolphin069 none.. this is Russian propaganda bs..

[@dolphin069]

@@mostlydead3261 yeah I know, nada, it was rhetorical. The whole place is crawling with Russian armour and infantry for the past eight years.

[@1111guru]

thank you for speaking this truth. Its hard for me to hear the western world praise Zelensky. Some great info on recent The Duran channel. Alexander and Alex are knokcing it out of the park.

[@deanswift9132]

@@dolphin069 You are a hateful person.

[@faturechi]

How much did you have to dig to find some way of finding someone to connect this with Trump? That is real skill right there, David.

[@trax72]

It's not like it's hard to connect Trump to this. He was the President not too long ago, so he had an impact on Russian relations one way or another.

[@mellonglass]

If Scotland were to separate from England and control its own resources, would this be a happy arrangement of oil and gas? Hypocrisy is to be able to fix local problems and not critique others that we have bribed to our colonial ideals. Try living without the sources of power to understand what democracy has never achieved, equanimity. This is a colonial war, not an understanding of differences in greed on a finite planet using the same atmosphere and imaginary borders based on flat earth principals. No matter the ‘organization’, greed is not noticed by the laws created for profit.

[@genaparry1513]

Exactly, the same, lawmakers .Also the beneficiaries of the laws they are in power of creating, a new arrangement is a must for true equality

[@criss5405]

Certain resources may be finite, but the mind is close to be infinite, therefore, we will be able to solve even very complex and difficult problems. And regarding 'colonisation', those nations who don't use their talents, will loose them. It is written in the Bible, is almost a natural law. Some cultures have stagnated for hundreds of years, others developed to a very high level.

[@mellonglass]

@@criss5405 well of course the pyramids were colonized by people with squares and the square people thought the pyramids were made by aliens.

[@criss5405]

@@mellonglass Some cultures needed to be colonized because they developed bankrupt societies. Truth exists and ontological levels as well. In Brazil one of the Indian chiefs said that they want technology and wealth and decried Western do-gooders who would like to keep them at the level of hunter-gatherers. Universals are real. Regarding pyramids, maybe you can answer without straw man argument. Pharaohs were slave owners. It's factually true.

[@mellonglass]

@@criss5405 Interesting to see the energy loss of maintaining a slave, I bid this information is not studied enough, I would recommend locking up failed leaders also, as they likely take up too many resources.

[@arcanumverse]

Dude being interviewed seems to have a lot of "knowledge", but very little "wisdom".

[@sardeeni]

Dude, you’re so wise!! Fuck knowledge!!!

[@nareshjotwani8392]

Difficult to reconcile "modernity" with "wisdom". The former seems to lead to any number of unwise actions -- at least as long as endless money is being printed! 🤔

[@professortiki]

Listening to this guy I became more and more doubtful, wether anything of what he said would really explain what's going on in Russia . Until he claimed the Russians would demand "Lebensraum", in a room sense. Really? The largest country in the world? That does not make sense.

[@ad2040]

The only people looking for Lebensraum in the world are the Americans...a global one party state under their rule.

[@markcreemore4915]

Consider this: All the wrong people (far left lunatics, leftist media, leftist politicians, Hollywood types, etc) are most passionately on the side of Ukraine and lionize Zelensky. The best people are greatly reserved about this and are more reserved and neutral and sometimes sympathetic to Putin's aims, and even if they are disapproving of Putin are disgusted by the government of Ukraine since 2014.

[@Frederer59]

Though I don't agree with all of it, this is what has been rolling around in my head ever since Putin's warning to America about Woke. Putin has a soul and wants to restore, not conquer. The McGilchrist parallel was a stroke of genius.

[@eddybrevet6816]

Refer u to Dianne Francis, Putin is cancer, so I don’t hv to rave , 1 tho, y does the righteous side up to a tRump or Putin , 1 is a wanna be the other a straight out killer

[@MexAm120902]

This guy needs to read Russian history and the history of ideas in the West. Listeners would be far better off reading Orlando Figes on the former and Stephen Hicks on the latter.

[@PeterStrider]

Gary Lachman has published books on Russian History and introduced me to a wealth of Russian philosophers and authors. Amazon recommended Orlando Figes to me and I am starting to read him as well. I think maybe you might also broaden your reading of Russian history.

[@torbenzenth9718]

It seems odd that through this conversation the fact that this war started as an 8 year civil war is ignored. I know it complicates things, and makes it difficult to talk about ‘Russia vs Ukraine’ but it’s kind of essential to the story of the conflict

[@DickMoves1971]

Yeah it seems they got some things backwards, they both seem to be ignorant

[@victorguzman2302]

This is pretty much what I has always happened in this country as well. The “Manifest Destiny” and “American Exceptionalism” myths created the American imperialism that brought about the Holocaust against the native Americans, the conquest wars against Mexico, and many other aggressions against their neighbors. Of course, religion had a lot to do with that. The politicians then, as they do today, especially the republicans, use religion to manipulate the population and make them believe that is their right to do whatever the Bible tells them to do (obviously with their own interpretation). Putin is just doing the same.

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

Do you have an example of the Republicans using religion to manipulate the public or using the Bible as an excuse to do whatever they want,?

[@jjuniper274]

This and Jordan Peterson's most recent episode really tie together. Thank you.

[@martinrea8548]

David Starkey gave a good insight into Russian history and mentality recently.

[@jarlnicholl1478]

You mean his talk with Kagan the Neocon? Yeah, I'd agree with that, although I don't mean that as a compliment.

[@mostlydead3261]

I found this take p good too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIKTdmuImJZ5d5Y

[@alharrison1038]

ooooorrrr, they obfuscate, since both JP and this channel refuse to mention the hats which are absolutely central in Putins decision making. might want to mention those whispering in his ear the entire time. It's like Talking about George W Bush without talking about Cheney. Sensemaking? Nonesense Making.

[@newdawnrising8110]

Gurdjieff’s teachings and ideas were tailor made for Russia and these times.

[@waltershumer4211]

how so?

[@katarinahinsey3931]

This channel’s wisdom doesn’t quite live up to the description rebellious, does it?

[@EyeOfTheTiger777]

Wisdom is not always contrarianism.

[@EyeOfTheTiger777]

... And if you think Putin is a rebel... Ooh boy! Hopefully not! 😂

[@Killuminati23]

"Freedom" is quite a relative term, in the west you have the freedom to work and earn money as you want and can, but many people would see much more real freedom in things like a basic income that frees you from of working to death and gives you time to think about what you want to do and be in this world. A quick, market-driven freedom is very different from a slow, "unconstrained" freedom.

[@rembeadgc]

This, I believe, is a major misconception...that there is secular and religious. The concept of secular is based on the belief that God/Spirit is not reality and that belief in God/Spirit is a concept imposed upon reality. If God is reality then the reverse is true...secularism is a concept imposed upon reality. If God is reality and the spiritual an essential component of it...everything has it's origin therein. The only thing that is then "secular" is the rebel mind of man and that is an imposition. So, in reality there would be no truly secular. It is only imagined. A mind is effectively either in submission or rebellion. There is no neutral position, which is what secular is typically regarded as, because the belief that God doesn't exist is considered default reality. Every nation has a religious mission, whether it is aware of it or not and regardless of how it's packaged and labeled. This is how nations were framed, as I recall, by biblical authors.

[@malcolmmarzo2461]

Excellent, astute, analysis.

[@rembeadgc]

​@@tmga4922 Thanks for your response. Unsurprisingly, I'm sure... I disagree, and here's why: If it were "neutral" it would not qualify as "rebellious" or "submissive", both of which are qualities based on absolutes, which your framework actually acknowledges.. Secondly, because time and events continually unfold, one cannot take an un-active stance. Reality doesn't allow for it. Your very existence imposes qualitative conditions upon your environment. Even Rush (the band) said "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice". Don't be fooled. And it's got nothing to do with technology. Technology has existed since the first tools and it has done nothing to change the essential nature of man. Absolute neutrality is incompatible with being human.

[@adamslowikowski3085]

Thanks Rebel Wisdom for interviewing again Gary Lachman. He is such a great guest to have, he is so knowledgeable about the esoteric basis of world events. He always gives a fascinating narrative on spiritual developments through history.

[@JulesEvans]

Gary says Ilyin was right that the end of the Soviet Union would lead to the ‘balkanisation of Russia’. How? Was Russia split apart by the creation of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia etc? Describing the founding of these modern states as the ‘balkanisation of Russia’ undermines these states’ sovereign right to exist.

[@GaryLachman]

I don't describe them as this, Ilyin does and his view seems to go down well with Putin.

[@JulesEvans]

@@GaryLachman OK.

[@sbaumgartner9848]

I find it interesting how people find a different subtopic on a subject to talk about. Thank you Gary Lachman.

[@Cybervue]

Alexander Dugin's Chaos Magick is behind it all. Behind him is Aleister Crowley. Behind Crowley is Choronzon, the Beast in the Abyss. Gary is making me even more nervous than I already was. He looks worried.

[@othalabro8663]

Dugin’s Chaos magick?

[@Cybervue]

@@othalabro8663 Yes, he's a Magi of Chaos.

[@othalabro8663]

@@Cybervue lol…

[@Cybervue]

@@othalabro8663 It just occurred to me, that Dugin's fatal metaphysical flaw in this fiasco is that Liber OZ gives man the 'right' to 'kill those' who would thwart his other rights - it justifies murder...except Ukraine never violated any of Russia's rights. So the whole project must fail.

[@othalabro8663]

@@Cybervue That depends on whether or now you believe that Ukraine was oppressing the ethnic Russians in the east of Ukraine. Also, this “Chaos Magi” thing: that is some kind of metaphor, right?

[@victortoso]

What does the interviewer say exactly at 56:22-56:23? Lachman responds, "Exactly," but it's impossible for me to distinguish in the audio background.

[@angelastubbe3809]

Studying history from books is one thing and I do not discount it as to set things in context....however there is no way to truly understand a people and their culture unless one has lived amongst them long enough. Sometimes true understanding never happens. I hear a lot of westerners analyzing and talking about other countries as if they knew something. One has to be careful....the lenses they look through are western and that might create some distortion.

[@dogblackprincehoney]

A lot of Russians want a different leader but the elections are rigged. In Belarus the same.

[@ther6989]

Is it me or is that "Mm. Mm mm" in the background weird?

[@calonisac1596]

Is the struggle perpetual, then? An unending cycle of uncertain liberalism and well defined authoritarianism until the sun blinks out? Seems bleak. My days on Earth are wrapping up, but I'd hoped for something better for my family.

[@joylarson9040]

Russia and Ukraine: We tried to avoid the painful subject of war in Ukraine, but there are just so many comments and questions coming. We are forced to comment the subject. First, the war did not start 3 days ago, it started back in 2014, at Maidan Revolution that was sponsored by the Western Powers to topple pro-Russian government. Most of the People do not know the history of Ukraine. Today's Ukraine is made of 3 groups of People. The first are central Ukrainians, who were neutral and had mixed feelings about both west and Russia, most of them speak Russian. The second group are southern and eastern Ukrainians, who speak Russian and consider themselves to be Russian mostly. They live in Odessa, Crimea, Donbas, Kharkov. The third and smallest group are western Ukrainians with their center in Lvov, they are extremely Russophobe, and they are not Orthodox Christians, they are mostly Roman-catholic Uniates or Latin rite, and they do not speak Russian. They speak Ukrainian, which is so similar to Russian, that many think that it is more about different dialects. These Western Ukrainians, they are the left overs of once powerful Poland that competed for Ukraine with Russia. This unnatural union of 3 different minded groups of People was created by Lenin for the first time 100 years ago, and therefor we have a civil war for the last 8 years, and it is not the first one. Millions of Russian-speaking Ukrainians were killed by the Western-Ukrainians during HItler's occupation of Ukraine. Historically Ukraine was only Kiev and lands that surround it. Ukraine in both Russian and Ukrainian literally means - border land. So to be Ukrainian would mean to be Borderian. And indeed, Ukraine became border of many competing super powers. But it is a historical fact that Russian Christian culture started in Kiev, but Russians failed to spread to the west, so they did to the East and moved their political center to Moscow and St. Petersburg. During the Second World War, Western Ukrainians for various reasons, joined Hitler to fight the USSR, and to this day, Western Ukraine remains a lair of neo-NAZIsm and Banderisam (Bandera - Ukrainian NAZI Leader). The New pro-western government that was established in 2014, has banned Russian language in public and has unleashed neo-NAZI Banderists across Kiev, and Russian-speaking Eastern and Southern Ukraine, they even managed to burn 39 Russian Ukrainians alive in Odessa's Trade Union Hall. These events triggered a war 2018 Ukraine ends strategic Partnership agreement with Russia and says it wants to enter NATO. Russia being the super-power does not want US-NATO troops and missiles in Ukraine, and that is why we have this tragic invasion. Both Ukraine and Russia belong to the Jurisdiction of the Russian Orthodox Church. Patriarch of Moscow Cyril is in very bad position, because both Ukrainian Orthodox Church and many Ukrainian Soldiers and Russian Soldiers are under his spiritual care. If he condemns the invasion that could end the 8 year war and russophobe and anti-Orthodox Government, he does no good to his People in Ukraine and Church. But if he embraces war, he abandons many central and western Ukrainians who are loyal to the Moscow Patriarchate, but are willing to defend current Ukraine, and also many who are just conscripts. Picture - Ukraine, the Port City of Odessa, far-right Western Ukrainians burning 39 Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the City Trade Union Hall, 2014. Let us all pray for the speedy end of this 8 years long war. 1.6K By Father Peter Heers

[@matthewthomas3890]

I found your account very interesting. Thanks.

[@raduc5466]

Briliant interview. Congrats!

[@FiveNineO]

Pootin is using the Orthodox Church. He's obviously not religious at all

[@CraigTalbert]

Absolutely brilliant. But did he even mention vodka once in this interview? Feels like he has some blindspots.

[@peladoclaus]

26:58.. it would be the equivalent of the US saying England is our motherland or Brazil saying Portugal is our birth place sowe have to invade it to reunite the kingdom...

[@tensevo]

"you see that land over there that has huge geo-political strategic significance?" "yeah, well, legend has it, that is actually our land and it has great religious importance, plus they want to be Russians they don't even know it"

[@peterprincic2830]

At 56:22 what does David say? Can anybody tell me, pls!

[@sh0k0nes]

“Well, I didn’t even look or think of it that way...”

[@peterprincic2830]

@@sh0k0nes thank you, but that is what the guest Gary Lachman says. Can you catch David's comment?

[@sh0k0nes]

@@peterprincic2830 yes, sorry, what @Main said

[@p.d.stanhope7088]

What Gary Lachman is discussing is very important but the root of Russia's Historical Idealism is through the fall of Constantinople in 1453 A.D. to the Ottoman Turks. Russian Orthodox Christianity sees "The Three Jerusalems" - The original Jerusalem as the first. The second was Constantinople during Byzantium Empire. The Third and final Jerusalem is Moscow after the takeover by the Ottoman Turks in the 15th Century. It is why there's a divergence between Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Russian Orthodox Christianity. This divergence was further developed in Russia from the 18th Century onto to today's Putin's Russia in the 21st Century.

[@glennlanham6309]

research Our Lady of Fatima and her request to Consecrate Russia in 1917!!! before Lenin even came to power...

[@elliottjames671]

Your just going to ignore the whole trucker convoy?

[@MrHotLovin]

Yep and you should also

[@pamcollins2178]

I doubt Canadian & US truckers are intellectually deep enough to gain an interview spot 🤔

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

Zelensky is "stepping up the mark" with millions of our dollars

[@sofakingdoge1907]

Cosmic rays are the strings pulling the puppets.

[@guycomments]

I really liked the IKEA metaphor for nature vs nurture. I'd like to expand it and say that those who claim that you're a blank slate, you're an empty apartment waiting for furnishing, are partly correct. But they are crucially missing the nature piece, which would be the fact that the particular geometry of the apartment *determines* how you are able to arrange the furniture you bring in to it. This is how I think about Jung's archetypes. If it was truly nothing but nurture then the blank slate people would need to start the analogy back to the point of drawing up blueprints for the apartment, and at that point it loses all explanatory power. It isn't that the metaphor used by blank slate people is a wrong analogy, it's that they are ignoring the crucial fact that the shape of the apartment determines how it can be furnished. You're born with the capacity to cope with different stimuli, and this capacity varies from person to person. I believe that's the heart of personality differences.

[@thementalself]

Great analogy. Your comment made me smile in recognition. Thanks. 😊

[@robertspies4695]

We have hundreds oif millions of years of biological evolution that can not be ignored as much as some philosophers would like. Some of that furniture may not fit through the front door or be suitable for sitting or sleeping on.

[@talkingheadzzz2449]

Watching and listening to this conversation was such an amazing experience. What a great analysis. Thank you so much!--- It would be great to talk about the how the American evangelicals sent missionaries to Russia after the fall of the USSR. This explains how the American Religious right has found a reflection of what they strive to be, a totalitarian theocracy. The problem is, such a thing is incompatible with democracy.

[@martinrea8548]

Democracy.....how quaint.

[@davycrockett8886]

The fundamental quality needed for democracy is equality. However freedom of speech goes hand in hand with healthy voting rights, as well as a brotherhood in the economy. The problem with Soviet Russia was they actually brought the principal of equality into the economic sphere whereas it should only be related to the political. Also they did not embrace the importance of freedom in thought and speech.

[@criss5405]

@@davycrockett8886 The principle of equality for Marxists it's just a facade. They believe in dialectical materialism, class struggle and elimination of the oppressor by all means. You are too generous about Soviet Union.

[@davycrockett8886]

The politicians in the United States who generally pay lip service to Christianity usually do so for political purposes afaik. If I remember correctly, George Bush and Hillary have both made mocking comments about religion. Religion may have been brought into politics in Russia, but in the United States everything has been corrupted by money including religion. I remember speaking to an American guy who said he went to church because it helped him make business deals. I think Jesus throwing out the money lenders from the church, was an indication of the need to separate church and business. For sure religion also needs to be separated from the state, I will agree that a good democracy needs to apply this principal.

[@dorindorin4812]

I find Mr Garry kind of superficial over the topics and struggling to express his thoughts in a deeper way and worring of not taking a side in a strongly makes his analysis atempt sound waterish often.

[@sethrichnietzsche]

Thank you!

[@daneumurianpiano7822]

My master's thesis was devoted to this issue. The approach of Austin Farrer of Oxford was "tacking towards the truth," hence my song "Coming Closer to the Wind" and my channel "Live Armadillo," a response to Jim Hightower's _There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos_. Christianity offers internalized morality--the "self control" fruit of the Spirit, transcending Western decadence and Putin's brutality. Billy Graham and John Paul II helped bring down the Iron Curtain.

[@roxee57]

Konstantin Kisin said on his latest Triggernometry episode with a historian that he’s been listening to Russian media and conversations and was shocked at how religious it all was.

[@alisimon2224]

Space- there is no out there, everthing is within- perception- programs, belief system-lose conceptional thoughts and know who you really are- self realization- there is a greater force, but that which you are part of-

[@LordHPLovecraft]

@24:25 Everything went into hyper drive right after Pluto Return of 2-22-22 ,end of Naval Empire of America, Return of Holy Russia Land Empire. 🇷🇺

[@mentaliseme9007]

And where does Mr. Gurdjieff come into all of this?

[@GaryLachman]

Where doesn't he?

[@christianjensen4924]

Does this guy actually believe what he’s saying or is he intentionally trying to deceive us?

[@MrLiamSGriffin]

Possibly Russia not only evaded the Enlightenment but also before that the Peace of Westphalia which established the "state's rights"to pursue their own destiny in religion,culture and politics?

[@phak7226]

As always Gary never fails to elucidate and impart the totality of the complexities of the topic he delves into with his integrated analytical and esoteric approach

[@Whatsthisabout69]

A little short of totality I'd say

[@ubergeraldine]

Such a brilliant talk I bought his book off the back of it - cant recommend it enough!

[@Lesley_Snipes]

Great video

[@ezreality]

Bravo Great podcast Thank you...

[@tensevo]

If I understand correctly, cessation was accounted for in the original philosophy, when people want to be adult and self-determining, they should be free to do so, but until then fatherland Russia will look after them and treat them like children (aka most states). The question then is, well why now do they want to remove that self-determination by force, running counter to all religious texts. My answer would be, it is not religious, it is a power grab plain and simple based on a tenuous cooked up collective identity, that Ukraine does not even subscribe to.

[@criss5405]

Look at how much grab did the Biden's in Ukraine. Putin has more rights to claim the Donbass that the US and Western Europe, Ukraine.

[@HolyWisdom93]

The black iron prison

[@PressHBCA]

This definitely is a fuzzy good feeling type of conversation …Ooooh

[@jordanedgeley6601]

This was so good I appreciate this channel very much indeed

[@Will2Wisdom]

The sun does give us direct energy that has the potential to expand our consciousness that is why they try to block it out.

[@rustywilliams679]

That religion sounds like democracy... Yea...we dont want it

[@MrEnniscorthy]

Great

[@Chanokh]

21:16 21:54 31:00 39:32 And they(The Angels) took me to a place where they were like burning fire, and, when they wished, they made themselves look like men. 📚 1st Enoch 17:1 🎴𓂀 6 until the time of the generation of Enosh who was the head of all idol worshippers of the world. ☠️ 7 And what did the generation of Enosh do? THEY WENT FROM ONE END OF THE WORLD TO THE OTHER, and each one brought silver, gold, precious stones and pearls in heaps like unto mountains and hills making idols out of them throughout all the world. And they erected the idols in every quarter of the world: the size of each idol was 1000 parasangs. 8 And they brought down the sun, the moon, planets and constellations, and placed them before the idols on their right hand and on their left, to attend them even as they attend the Holy One, blessed be He, as it is written (1 Kings xxii. 19): "And all the host of heaven was standing by him on his right hand and on his left". 9 What power was in them that they were able to bring them down? They would not have been able to bring them down but for 'Uzza, 'Azza and 'Azziel who taught them sorceries whereby they brought them down and made use of them 10 In that time THE MINISTERING angels brought charges (against them) before the Holy One, blessed be He, saying before him: "Master of the World! What hast thou to do with the children of men? As it is written (Ps. viii. 4) 'What is man (Enosh) that thou art mindful of him?' 'Mah Adam' is not written here, but 'Mah Enosh', for he (Enosh) is the head of the idol worshippers. 11 Why hast thou left the highest of the high heavens, the abode of thy glorious 📚 3rd Enoch 5:6-11 18 For thus they allured the Watchers who were before the flood; for as these continually beheld them, they lusted after them, and they conceived the act in their mind; FOR THEY CHANGED THEMSELVES INTO THE SHAPE OF MEN, and appeared to them when they were with their husbands. 19 And the women lusting in their minds after their forms, gave birth to giants, for the Watchers appeared to them as reaching even unto heaven. 20 Beware, therefore, of fornication; and if you wish to be pure in mind, guard your senses from every woman. 📚 TESTAMENT OF REUBEN 2:18-20

[@tensevo]

This story has elements of: David and Goliath; Cain and Abel; Tower of Babel;

[@hermitthefrog8951]

As will similar future stories of similar events. It;s an archetype for a reason.

[@betttrbeth]

Madame Blavatsky, one of the greatest con artists to ever live was Russian.

[@waltershumer4211]

What did she believe

[@waltershumer4211]

@Jared Isaac Fairfield what is this? Some perversion of Christianity?

[@betttrbeth]

@@waltershumer4211 She believed she could blend the world's religions together.

[@susanthomas4016]

Well, i found him interesting if unconventional, and a bit all over the map. Still, interesting ideas...

[@richardfinlayson1524]

This guy doesn't explain things very well, everyone is an individual,lots of people have different ideas when you generalise you just get things wrong

[@richardfinlayson1524]

He just repeats the same statements rather than showing any insight into what they mean to justify something he doesn't seem sure about.

[@susansmiles2630]

Fabulous conversation! I love your in depth format and the great questions you ask----you're an excellent interviewer, Dave!

[@svemory]

I keep coming back and wanting to like this host -- but he's so precious; so assured that after he wrestles with the tough questions for a few videos he knows what's really happening and ... pretentious. I DO want to like him; I love the concept. But loosen tf up. Lachman is fabulous, however.

[@David-Anyroad]

Great to see you on this Gary, I always thought you a brilliant fit. I have lost contact with James. If you get this would you ask him to send a mail. I fear covid mat have ended him. Thank you. We met once in Berlin

[@GaryLachman]

James is around but not well. He's been quite ill for some time, but not with covid. He isn't getting to emails. The best bet is a telephone call. Are you on FB or Twitter?

[@David-Anyroad]

@@GaryLachman No FB no Twitter, sadly but sanely. I'll write to him, my is at rest now. THANKYOU

[@David-Anyroad]

mind

[@bas6628]

Are we saying that eastern orthodox Christianity is the New challenge to the secular West.....? Wow I thought Islam was the challenge?????. So TWO religions now enter the game against secular modernity

[@DaveK548]

Orthodox Christians have been experiencing genocide in the Middle East for decades, yet few in the West seem to care. And there are Orthodox Christians throughout the U.S., the UK, and the West (including converts) who simply want to live their faith in freedom and peace. Living a countercultural life is supposed to be a right protected by “secular modernity”, but sometimes I wonder.

[@redsamson5185]

the soviet union collapsed, but the chinese model is working for china

[@ddod7236]

Now THAT was some information. An isolated, threatened Bear, with a vision, fueled and undergirded by religion, not to mention vast petro reserves, for whom humiliation is not an option---I hope our leaders understand this about Putin. I am way more concerned about this than I was.

[@jaygrambling1264]

More of this guy...wow

[@michaelnice93]

Ridiculous. What’s happening is straightforward political security interests, and is so boring and obvious. This is at best a red herring.

[@roachboy8583]

Spiritual Warfare Ephesians 6:12

[@sardeeni]

You don’t believe that people are also driven by ideas? Do you think culture and history are red herrings? You are ridiculous, and have a very boring and obvious mind.

[@bonnie_gail]

the way was paved for this war by dividing the Russian Orthodox Church from the Orthodox Church in Constantinople

[@Charlies_Little_Corner]

Given that the rather one sided, low resolution neo realist musings of John Mearsheimer are all over the discussion right now, I can only say: this is a phenomenal high resolution conversation. Absolutely magnificent.

[@nickmills8476]

The sun has been flaring up a lot lately apparently. Correlation perhaps?

[@Bakarost]

Watching this hoping the orthodox arnt demonized Btw holy russia is holy from the saints produced.... read st sergius and russian spirituality for more

[@VahnAeris]

thanks for your content, one of the few on internet that I keep listening to

[@antoinedoinel153]

“I don’t need a ride I need ammo” Okay, believing in this kind of stupid propaganda soundbite is just dumb, but claiming to be inspired by this is something else.

[@andrewmarkmusic]

Zionist America put their ______ puppet in there. It’s basically another Rabbi funded war where they get to puppeteer all sides.

[@yiranimal]

@@andrewmarkmusic Have you been drinking with Mel Gibson?

[@antoinedoinel153]

@@yiranimal were you not aware that the Ukrainian president began his career as a Jewish comedian?

[@andrewmarkmusic]

@@yiranimal More with Jack, “you can’t handle the truth”...See my Judaism is Egyptian Spirituality blog...

[@yiranimal]

@@andrewmarkmusic How is it that "Zionist America" is able to puppeteer all sides? Assuming Russia is one side of this conflict are you suggesting Putin is merely a pawn of America and their handlers, The Elders of Zion? Wow! Thanks for showing me the truth on this one!

[@artlessons1]

Thanks! Enjoyed it !

[@workdrone]

You've a demon in the room

[@russberry3240]

Thanks! I needed that.

[@goldenphoenixpublish]

Putin's single-child upbringing suggests that he profoundly relates to a period in which Russia was dominated by its aristocracy. For instance, instead of his parents converting a lottery win into much needed cash, they opted for a car instead. That car went to son Vladimir giving him high visibility as a student during an era when few Soviet's were able to drive one. Based on this, we might say that Putin believes himself to be re-living a former life in which he held high aristocratic position -- making of him a preeminent voice in Russian affairs. His current policy is to reposition Russia as a powerful force in world events.

[@nathangale7702]

Fascinating!

[@geoffreynhill2833]

Gary Lachman makes a very well-informed, articulate and genial guest. 🙂

[@geoffreynhill2833]

There are four Generals between Putin and the big button, Gary, if that's any consolation!

[@geoffreynhill2833]

I wonder where GL stands on ETs...

[@GaryLachman]

@@geoffreynhill2833 Usually trying to get into the ship with them.

[@martingifford5415]

Why is Rebel Wisdom interpreting events in terms of religion? Do they think humankind needs something religious? It seems to me that they do given the recent emphasis on it in RW videos. But I’d say religion is an unhealthy substitute for the naked mystery of the universe. Gary said that after the Soviet Union collapsed, the people asked, “Who are we?” Well, we will never know, so we should grow up and accept the uncertainty. Once you accept it, you get comfortable with it and you find that it is fulfilling. Of course, the West has its own unhealthy substitutes - status and consumerism. But people are starting to tire of that. So it’s time for the world to grow up and accept uncertainty, i.e. reality. Spiral Dynamics provides another lens. Russian identity is a blue perspective, consumerism is orange, and woke identities are green. And that shows the problem with Tier One - it is a childish clinging to arbitrary ideals that are futile. Instead, we just need to accept naked reality, i.e. uncertainty. David said we need to integrate rationality and the irrational. But that’s just integrating two versions of SD Tier One falsehood. Don’t be dependent on known viewpoints such as capitalist and Jungian perspectives. As Gary said, this is a “post-everything” world. The so-called meaning crisis is about the timeliness of giving up dependence on meaning, not desperately running back to imagined meaning. Regarding the International Relations lens, Rebel Wisdom is missing the Realist perspective. It is just focussing on the psychology of Putin as if Putin is the only actor. There are numerous videos of Putin spelling out the NATO issue. So in realist terms, it could be argued that NATO initiated the conflict, not Putin. NATO broke promises by expanding. In Realist logic, the counterargument that NATO is just for defence is laughable on its face. Expanding an alliance cements power, and it’s all about power in a global political jungle. And in Realist terms, religious narratives are purely for domestic cover or to make you look crazy to make your threats seem believable to the opponent. Regarding Putin’s dictatorship, if the peace talks don’t produce a compromise, then I hope that the US has improved its leader decapitation abilities. We don’t need another corrupt and destructive “Shock & Awe” invasion. IMO, if Putin starts using thermobaric bombs, and if the Western intelligence sources think he will not be dethroned by insiders, then the West needs to directly take him out before he graduates to nukes and starts demanding more. People say he will never use nukes, but I can imagine him using one nuke. If I’d lost the plot, that’s what I would do. One nuke isn’t enough to trigger the West into ending the world with its own nukes. And it would show that you are determined to take over Ukraine. I’d say, “Because of your expansion of NATO and because of your broken promises, Russia will not give up on Ukraine until it is our’s. If you choose to keep Ukraine, then it is you who are choosing the end of the world.”

[@sardeeni]

You have some valuable points (even if I disagree with many) but the metamodernist jargon of colors and tiers only obscures the systems it pretends to elucidate…

[@davydacounsellor]

From what I've seen the ancient Russian orthodox church is back, being displaced to South America, their looking to come home, it reminds me of the Baptist church to a certain degree, their non materialistic farmers like the Amish. The Greeks sent weapons to Ukraine as they have interests there as there are Greek orthodox living in Ukraine, so the schism in 2014-15 was an attempt split Ukraine from Russia through religion, the Mongol idea is a bit far fetched.

[@antoinedoinel153]

Gotta say I’m with the Russians on this one..

[@imaginingistrue4323]

Putin is combining the strong powers of government with the commanding powers of religion to reach his end game. He'll draw upon the ancient energies of Kyiv and the controlling energies of Moscow in hopes of bringing about the Third Rome, while the West continues with their liberal, permissive and weak religious and political values, in his opinion. You'll see when you think about the statue that he rised in Moscow and the statue in Kiev; both are Vladimir statues. In Kiev there is also statue of Freedom..

[@mercurymachines4311]

Long live Russia 💪🏻

[@annettesluftpost]

Please let all the western leaders listen to now.

[@Whatsthisabout69]

Really liked the Lock Man back when he talked about Crowley and Steiner and Wilson but ever since Trump swept through, he seems a bit reactionary and derivative. Still enjoy him but my own ego objects to his

[@markdownton3185]

Constantly referring to "does Putin really believe in these values" You may not agreed with Putins values but I would suggest he genuinely believes in them unlike the hollow rhetoric exhorted by many Western leaders. For example, UK MP's purporting to support Ukraines right to embrace liberal democracy while simultaneously voting through a bill to prevent demonstrations in Britain. Laughable.

[@jaguillermol]

It seems all these people however intellectually deep and smart they seem, they don't have the capacity to connect the dots. "Putin is our secular satan who is against personal rights and freedoms!!!" Hey, look at Trudeau. Look at Boris. Look at the ideas they come up with in Davos. "Yeah, that is another theme and another country even! Can you not keep to the subject?! Putin is satan!"

[@jdg9999]

@@jaguillermol It's funny isn't it? I remember a couple of years ago former British Prim Minister saying "unlike Russia, we don't imprison political dissidents" the very same day a "far right" activist had been arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced and sent to prison all in the space of a few hours, on a pretext that was later overturned for having been totally illegal by the court of appeal. Their hypocrisy never even occurs to them. We're told we have to defend the "rules based liberal order", even though the elites of that order respect neither the rule of law, the liberal rights they claim to be defending, nor the very concept of order itself. What they basically mean by it is "we make the rules, and they're whatever we say they are".

[@jaguillermol]

@@jdg9999 I think I know who you are talking about. The short guy who founded a certain league? If I write his name or the name of that league my comment will probably get deleted just like yours is, which is also funny. Because I can see it in notifications but not among the comments. Pigs are intelligent animals and have very tasty flesh, so they are not even pigs. I don't know what to call them. Slugs? Worms? Most problems we have are because of them. The only reasonable thing to do is to squish them. But they have all the guns and all the tanks.

[@Frederer59]

Yes, or American Congress men/women buying military stock shares while weeping publicly for peace.