Putting Race Car Suspension on an old Sentra - How Fast Can we Make it?

[@skrrtskrrt646]

I like this, you got the skills, the knowledge, but also no sense of self-preservation.

[@HatersGarage]

I wear a seatbelt sometimes

[@skrrtskrrt646]

I mean, that does sound like a good risk management strategy...

[@initiald975]

@@HatersGarageyou haven’t done weight reduction to an extent where you need a center of gravity spreadsheet, but that is completely free and would make a huge difference in driving experience.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

Yeah... I don't know about that self preservation thing. I mean, he doesn't own a liter bike... yet.

[@kingdededelicious]

WE DIE LIKE MEN or so they say

[@efendiminati]

-Goal: speed -no stupid intake -wtf

[@HatersGarage]

Saving it for emergencies

[@Vaino_Hotti]

Faking an "Activate Windows" message for continuity purposes is the kind of attention to detail only these high production quality channels can offer.

[@ceremyjlarkson9475]

Devious ass strut tower modification lmao

[@HatersGarage]

Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette, or something like that

[@clumsyshtick7543]

There's go with the road worthy inspection lol

[@captainslow_037]

ceremy jlarkson...

[@thetougecedia]

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[@samteks125]

​@@captainslow_037Says Slaptain Cow

[@JohnLothe]

My boy welding in shorts like true fabricobbler. 😆

[@HatersGarage]

I usually weld naked but not on camera

[@cabalcore2555]

@@HatersGarage OF When?

[@lloydsvoid]

"Don't use a chrome socket with the impact" ...DUGUDUGUDUGU 🤣8:31

[@FranzJx]

crazy rotations

[@HatersGarage]

Rotational

[@prowoto]

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[@Noio.]

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[@DerptekofGoochland]

holy shit presents

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[@scromberprofessionalautist1017]

This channel is such a gem. You are doing something rare in automotive youtube, Actually working on cars. And you do a damn good job channeling the ancient dark fudd arts of "just weld and grind shit till it works" that we all aspire to one day master.

[@nathanchildress5596]

Your videos are golden! No fluff, no O faces to camera, good humor, and you're giving the answers to all our "What if I..." Like I just used one of your vids to show my buddy why dual exhausts on a 4 cylinder is stupid.

[@Mika-ph6ku]

I used his videos to show why quad exit exhausts on a 4 cylinder is sick af

[@nathanchildress5596]

@@Mika-ph6ku It sounded like a helicopter...or a really busted Subaru.

[@thea.m.p.co.467]

_I knew I should have taken my nerd-pressure medicine this morning!_

[@irjonesy]

Algorithmic bump text jargon: Best automotive content! Wow!!

[@SylverShadowWolve]

as one of the mentioned nerds, you knowing about bump steer and scrub radius is enough for me

[@noodle3554]

Great vid, there's not enough autoX content like this on youtube and I love it! Proper tires will drop your times by at least 4 seconds, and are well worth the money. I run an 8th gen Civic in autoX and have gradually modified it over the years. I started on all seasons like the Sentra and would hit their limit way too easily. I eventually upgraded to Firehawk Indy 500s (300tw) which were a definite improvement, but still carried a lot of the same characteristics as all seasons - understeery, screechy, and requiring me to chop at the wheel to get it to respond at all. This year I finally splashed some cash on Bridgestone RE71RSs (200tw) and holy moly. There's more grip everywhere, and suspension shortcomings are less apparent because of it. I have to drive more gently and precisely, but this means I have much finer control and can focus on refining my lines through the day. With the Sentra's suspension already sorted, tires will make it a proper weapon! You don't seem like you care too much about placing well, but tires will still make it so much more satisfying to drive. My civic shitter is a consistent top 5 contender overall with HS PAX. I'd recommend going with the Falken RT 660s, from what I've seen they nearly match the RE71RSs and last about twice as long - a pretty good tradeoff. Those two are the meta right now, I wouldn't bother with anything else. I love your style man, can't wait to see the Sentra turn some heads (in a good way)

[@HatersGarage]

Thanks for the recommendations. I've driven cars with real tires and I know exactly what you mean, it makes all the difference in the world. I'm going to try and find some WIDE wheels too, I don't mind cutting fenders..

[@noodle3554]

​@@HatersGarage Depends on the rules of your local club, but W I D E tires usually bump you from STX to SMF if you're not there already. Still worth it for the steeze, but you'll get your balls crushed by PAX ahaha. Edit - I see the SMF on the car later in the video. Those fenders aren't long for this world.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Are RT 660s good on a road course, too, or mostly an AC tire? How are they as 3-season tires and in the wet on the streets? And if you had to split your tire choice between track day tires and "best 3 season and wet weather street tires" what would your choices be or where might I go to learn for myself?

[@noodle3554]

​@@Drunken_Hamster RT 660's will last longer both at autoX and on road courses, but RE71RSs are typically capable of marginally quicker times. So it's up to you what's more important - in terms of pace they are really similar and a good driver can make up the difference. They're both well suited for autoX and road courses. 200tw tires are typically fine in the wet, but I wouldn't run them as daily drivers. I've heard that a set of RE71RSs get eaten up after 10,000km of regular street driving. From my experience, I've done roughly 25 autoX runs on my set of RE71RSs this year and they're at about 2/3 life left. They'll wear much quicker on a road course though. So it's best to run two sets of rims and swap them for events which is what I do. When I ran the Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s I used them for track days, autoX, and street driving. The fact that they can do all that is pretty impressive, but of course there's tradeoffs. They make more road noise than regular all seasons so aren't as comfortable for street driving. As for on track, they don't handle heat well and will fall off in grip after only a lap or two. This is less pronounced in autoX. But still an overall great option for a budget friendly, multi purpose tire that will last many times longer than the 200tw tires. The Michelin PS4S would be similar and probably better in most aspects (for a steeper price) but I haven't run them before so can't say for certain.

[@Mika-ph6ku]

What's the 3 digit tw stat mean?

[@tougestylegarage]

The mechanical skill and knowledge of front wheel drive physics is astonishing

[@Zangarang]

B15 owner here, we all at some point probably found out the hard way about the ball joint fitment with aftermarket arms :( loving the vids!

[@ovaca16]

B15 owner mentioned, swells with brokeness and horrible cup holders. I loved my spec v though.

[@niceboi6364]

​@@ovaca16I've only had an SE 1.8 for ten years and that shitbox still makes me smile. I've driven twinturbo V6s with DCTs and some V8s but I'm a simple man who likes chasing down the big boys on some tight back roads while they're crapping themselves looking at how they can't shake off a teeny tiny economy car.

[@Beniamin1600]

⁠@@niceboi6364 I bought an 06 SE B15 this year solely because of this channel and NFSU2 memories. Man was I suprised to end up having more smiles from driving it than my big boy rwd Jag XF. These cars are underrated gems.

[@discoveryalbum]

I enjoy your videos man. Keep em up! Love paint too, haha.

[@HatersGarage]

Paint, or lack thereof lol

[@discoveryalbum]

@@HatersGarage I meant the windows app bro =P

[@HatersGarage]

@@discoveryalbum Oh yeah I knew that yep

[@discoveryalbum]

@@HatersGarage I knew ya knew what I meant! /s Keep up the content man, glad to see ya progress!

[@1337bG01]

Love your content, man. DIY work that makes sense, is functional, and 100% non-conventional. Good shit my dude. And holy SHIT you're pulling off some clean oversteer on a FWD car!

[@HatersGarage]

Thanks, yeah it actually drifts decent lol

[@TheFlaimingCow]

Incredible stuff. Best automotive channel on the scene rn. That real grass roots content. Get hyped asf whenever I get a post notification.

[@thomberg8091]

I love how you considerably changed the suspension geometry of the sentra! It's weird that old torsion beam had that panhard thing. Newer ones don't. Now that's a very tail happy car! Can't wait to see it with decent tires!

[@HatersGarage]

It should be quite the weapon with some sticky shoes

[@jaken7782]

No way! I'm in the middle of modding the suspension of my 2002 Nissan Sentra XE as well! Perfectly timed video!

[@cooldudemcswagcooldudemcsw4697]

My first car was a 2005 Sentra SE-R so seeing this makes me wiggle and squirm with such delight

[@albertomotors6901]

Watching you drive this Sentra makes me happy! I wish I could drive my car to the limit. (I'll be dead if I do)

[@HatersGarage]

Practice, practice.. Remember it's a sport

[@ifacecheck]

Dude, i fucking love this channel. You're like the "Hold my beer, i have an idea" for car stuff. Also really appreciate the inner Clarkson in ya, "...smacking it with a hammer..."

[@tobias6115]

Impressive to see how you modified your suspension. I learned something today. Now I feel smarter, thanks for that!

[@charliesnark6535]

I was just rewatching your last videos this morning thinking about how I was craving more Haters Garage content, you've made my day 😌

[@daddydragon9101]

Mannn I’ve watched 5 of your videos back to back you’re genuinely a great creator keep it bro you’ll be huge

[@W00DGR0USE]

god tier channel, all modern automotive content on youtube has gone to slop. Keep it real G.

[@HatersGarage]

Thanks G

[@Farmer_Allan]

Bro keep on posting videos. This is one of the only channels I can watch videos start to finish without fail. Love you brother.

[@HatersGarage]

I appreciate it

[@andrewbreazna]

eyo, from what I've been researching, widening the rear track and narrowing the front will actually help increase rotation. the theory is that the widest end will load up the most when cornering, putting all the weight on one tire. the narrow end will load up less, and will keep both wheels planted evenly. This goes hand in hand with suspension compliance. if you imagine an extreme of this, such as the old nissan delta cars, the rear suspension is taking the entire weight transfer load, while the front is acting like a record needle, gently pulling the nose every which direction, with the full traction of both front tires. the wider, stiffer end of the car will relieve this cornering load off the front end, and help work/stress/rotate the rear tires. Inversely, as a mental exercise if you squeeze the two rear wheels all the way together, they'll handle none of the weight transfer, effectively the same as a super-soft sway bar/springs while cornering. they will load up with latteral force of course, but the load transfer/body roll will be sent to the outer-front tire. You can see in the final recap auto-x scene, where your inside rear wheel is already lifting off the ground, aka the rear is unable to effectively relieve any more load from the front axel; you can keep stiffening the rear all you like at this point, but it's already three-wheeling! Try swapping that 1" spacer to the rear and just test out how much better/worse it gets. Curious to see the results!

[@Elad3000]

Loving these videos. Looking forward to see more dodgy modifications

[@CRneu]

Dude, i DIED when you said "don't use a chrome socket with the impact". lol

[@HatersGarage]

That's sad you died, did you live?

[@HunterHerbst]

I love this sketchy fab stuff you do, means I don't have to risk my own money and safety to find out myself hacking up a car in my garage.

[@CamdenBowen]

10:37 this is the bravest shakedown I have ever seen on public roads and I love it

[@HatersGarage]

If you don't scandi flick your car down the road I don't consider it a shakedown lol

[@waylonk2453]

I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Your humanity, attitude and resourcefulness really show through. It was hilarious to hear you say you hate the way it drives after having just modded all the front suspension geometry.

[@motomoto42069]

I have just now stumbled upon this video. I am going to a university in Alabama that has a motorsports club. To start out, we participated in some local oval track racing with a 98' grand prix gtp "racecar." Two years ago, we purchased a 1999 Nissan Sentra from a government auction. We put a dirt track roll cage in it and gutted the entire car. We originally planned to do more oval track racing, but a few of us students started driving in our local autocross so we made the Sentra an ax car. We just got the transmission back in the car and we now have electrical gremlins. We had to miss todays ax event because of them. We may attempt to make independent rear suspension for the car but at the moment we just want the piece of junk to run. It's awesome to see that someone else has similar ideas to our team. I wish you luck!

[@HatersGarage]

b14 Sentra's have the same exact goofy rear suspension as my B15, which will be the biggest thing holding you back. You can make independent rear suspension like you said, however that will put you into the crazy unlimited class against much faster cars. The single most helpful mod I did was bending the rear beam for rear toe-out, it made it rotate around corners so much better. Use that information how you will, good luck to you too

[@motomoto42069]

@@HatersGarage We are already in the highest class possible since we have a full cage and many other mods. We wanted to do more oval racing with it and we gutted the interior and removed unnecessary weight like ac and most of the dash. After everything was scrapped the project leads decided to do autocross which is much safer than oval racing with a bunch of "special" meth heads that think they are Dale Earnhardt. We thought of cutting the rear bar but we realized that it would likely cause more problems than it would solve. We will have t try bending the rear bar for more toe. I will let you know that replacing the bushings in the rear was an absolute pain. I would highly recommend setting out at least a few days with a few buddies to help you as well as an acetylene torch to melt the old bushings. Trying to press out the bushings and press them in is near impossible the way they designed the rear end, but what gave us the most trouble was getting the weird "center" linkage thing connected to the car. Also, If you have to replace the clutch, the transmission gasket goes on before the flywheel.

[@SomeOne_86]

I'm always excited to see your uploads, you never know what crazy s you can come up with lmao

[@HatersGarage]

Crazy? I was crazy once. They put me in a room... A room full of rats.. Rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once..

[@THE_EXPERIMENTER]

That Top Gear song bit was 🔥🔥🔥. I love the channel!

[@Elon425]

Really enjoy the videos and how you deliver the content.

[@Ronin_B15]

I always wondered what a torsion beam does, I thought they just well ....beamed!! 😁 Great stuff man, love it!

[@Whoscacti]

Really glad to see you start getting the recognition you deserve

[@rhubarbpie2027]

HE'S BACK, LADIES AND GENTS AND CAR PEOPLES

[@throwthis]

This is quality content

[@Prodriver33]

Also don’t be afraid to mess with tyre width’s. I loved my civic with 205 front and 195 rears. It felt great!

[@R3ddyyg]

I'm glad i stayed up late. Love your vids, you have a really particular set of skills and a lot of free time, "it ain't stupid if it works"

[@illicitcrypto2674]

I love seeing your uploads. They’re realistic and relatable. You should do a quick video for us getting to know you, where you learned all these skills, how you got into car modding, other hobbies and what not

[@6reen6uy]

found this channel when i got my new to me 02 spec v, which is no longer with me sadly. Love to follow the adventures haha good stuff.

[@-look-at-this-84]

I’m so glad he uses all the appropriate technical jargon. So much better knowing correct terminology

[@WavePunkRL]

If Stanceworks had an evil alter ego, it would be this channel. I love it so much, please make more

[@TheFROSTER420]

Always loved how sentras looked they seem underrated, and then you hit me with snes top gear music. SUBSCRIBED.

[@Epro95]

Love the ingenuity behind the custom parts!

[@awptic]

Wow I am skipping my already late homework to watch this video! I Love you

[@mro9466]

Glorious Engineering 👌

[@LeadDennis]

Keep up the good work, this is my new favorite YT channel.

[@ghostraptor310]

I can’t even fathom what this guy just did to his car and have it work so well

[@yeeksquad6558]

I love the effort and knowledge in this man, good vids 👍🏽

[@bankyWI]

I could watch your videos all day. I love the work you do and explanations. Please keep making these good videos and doing your next project, whatever it is! (Jeep or Sunbird?)

[@HatersGarage]

Working on the Jeep atm

[@bildaling]

Excellent speed making it happening stuff, keep at it!

[@FEAR_Actual]

I live for these kinds of uploads bud

[@HeinousinAppearance]

The algorithm blesses you with some gems sometimes.

[@SummonerArthur]

You can see how it rotates better as soon as you did the first turn. Also, thanks for the top gear OST!

[@EmilyS15213]

I need you to get popular. your editing is hilarious, content is great, whats not to like.

[@AdamJohnson-di7co]

Love it. And I loved seeing that 325iX. I had one as a first car. Lotta fun at autocross in that one.

[@Ang3lUki]

Hyped to see where this goes. Suspension geometry is a dying art it feels like. This is real tuning right here

[@HatersGarage]

I think I enjoy handling mods more than making a ton of horsepower. Only downside is it doesn't appeal to as many people as big turbochargers and shooting flames and such

[@Ang3lUki]

@@HatersGarage Which is a shame!!!

[@garagegnomes]

Glad i found this channel, good stuff! I wanted one of these so bad when they were advertised in every magazine i had in the early 2000's! Also, definitely stealing your phrase...makes it handle more goodlier. 😅

[@HatersGarage]

They cost basically nothing if you can find one now, if you still want one of course lol

[@laskinslt7137]

Thanks for the new vid dad

[@keaflord]

Love the Sentra content. 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼

[@Uncle_John_Ai_Xin]

WAKE UP FELLAS, NEW HATERS GARAGE JUST DROPPED!!

[@SrApathy33]

It was literally the first notification I clicked after waking up

[@adamstilldrives]

Finally a comment for us fellas who's gf doesn't watch with us

[@davidwostrel]

we got a good laugh out the mailbox cover :D great project!

[@orest395]

That Sentra is cool

[@prosto_potomuwto]

Wonderful, amazing car.

[@laddtryck]

Finally! The most sane Sentra driver posted.

[@gtgodbear6320]

I loved my 95 Sentra. 1.6l 5speed. Slow fun. I drove it exstreamly hard and it would not break. I had to replace a couple clutches and an alternator and regular maintenance. I definitely got my $800. worth out of it before I hit a deer. It also had great acoustics for my system. It was a blast.

[@HatersGarage]

That's the great thing about low output engines, even if you beat on them they're never really stressed.

[@harrison4ever125]

This was some pretty impressive backyard DIY enginuity. Very much a hack job but if it works and it is fun, that is ALL THAT MATTERS.

[@UncleVenz]

Finally sentra content ❤

[@blackcatthegreat182]

I love my 05 sentra, been an amazing vehicle for years. We got lucky and got a Special model, so it has some of the nice trim and a few bits from the other trim levels, and has a 6 cd disk changer and a fosgate stock sound system. While it doesn't have any of the tuning or the slightly bigger engine of the spec V R, it still looks sleek and the 1.8 liter gets the job done. Very weird seeing the area below the radio so empty :P

[@BasedEMT1776]

God you're an entertaining SOB. You're sneaky AF too in the fact you actually have a lot of skill in this stuff too. Honestly don't know how you don't have more subs and more views. Can't wait for the next one. Any plans to turbo the QR25? Or supercharger it, very ghettoly?

[@HatersGarage]

Hmm my brain says turbo, but my heart says ITB's. It will probably end up with some sort of compound turbo setup.

[@DRP3ck3r]

@@HatersGarage ITBs!!! sweet sweet induction noise makes a crap 4 banger fun

[@B4kks]

10:30 - I know a TF2 reference when I hear one, good video 10/10

[@DRUMM3RX7]

Dude this is kick ass! I have an Acura RSX Type S same tire width that I autocross and I have conti dws 06 pluses and they grip so wellll! Go for those you’ll be top of your class.

[@MyLonewolf25]

NOW THIS is the kind of JANK I LOVE

[@jaredhuang2225]

Don't use a chrome socket with an impact :DDDD, love the MS Paint graphics, keep it up. You seem to be more educated about suspension than 90% of the internet.

[@kiiiisu]

great vid :D

[@martinbozik3524]

Amazing video man😊

[@flyingdutchy01]

This is one amazing hooptie! Hope you can make it even faster

[@xaviersarchives8133]

I like what you did with the rear twist beam, I considered doing the same thing but have less money for metal. So what I did was get a 10 foot piece of rebar, cut it into 3 pieces, weld them all together then welded it to the inside of the twist beam itself, to the same location that the twist beam stiffener on the sportier version of my car goes. Also for tires, you could look into getting some accelera phi's theyre good really poor person tires for driving hard. Or cosmo mucho machos if you are a multibillionare who has $68 for one tire

[@HatersGarage]

Your idea works too, I've considered doing that on top of the stiffening I already did

[@xaviersarchives8133]

@@HatersGarage if you look up the rear subframe of a cavalier ls-sport or z24 or sunfire gt, you can find a picture of where they have it mounted, should be a pretty similar application. Also some cars (mostly 80s to mid 90s) with twist beams have external sway bars, you might be able to make one work. ive been meaning to test one from a grand am for a while but havnt had the time. Though if you want rotation for cheap and need new tires, you can always just replace the front two tires with good stuff and leave the rears, have done that plenty of times

[@CarterHornback]

Since it is solid, you can do something they did for a while in dirt track. Positive caster the rear springs so, when they compress, they move forward.

[@Roflskeeter]

Hahaha the top gear song for the results was great.

[@HatersGarage]

That game started my car obsession

[@Roflskeeter]

@@HatersGarage even my dad wanted to play it. It was a tremendous game. I can't think of anything that was quite as good as it was on the snes or genesis at the time.

[@Markko1986]

You Sir are a true hero 🍻🍻🍻

[@Syncopia]

This is like Ave but younger and more car. Bro just single handedly re-engineered a car's suspension.

[@reesewilliamson3346]

Another Hater banger production

[@SlashBleed]

Circle around activate windows got me

[@Hailtothebreak]

This is becoming one of my favorite build on KZbin simply because it is low budget juryrigging paradise. If power is on the menu, I would love to see a junkyard engine swap or ebay turbo, but you should probably get proper tires first.

[@HatersGarage]

More power is in this cars future, I just don't know when yet

[@ghazinafaa7440]

Love the SE-R badge👍

[@jgokc9450]

10:24 love the tf2 engineer reference lol

[@msh3loon975]

6:15 don't we all 😔

[@toXXin]

I am excited to see that Marcus Ericsson is finally find himself! I knew it all along that he is on first-name terms with cars

[@HatersGarage]

Someone says I look like a different white dude every week, and I can never tell them they're wrong

[@Eggyteevee]

Safety? No Speed? Yes Questions? Never That's the kinda vibe I like

[@lynnmckenney1987]

Man, I had a spec v back in the day. It was nuts how torquey it was (probably due to the super short gearing)!

[@Handle_gravel]

I HAVE BEEN BLESSED ONCE MORE BY HATERS GARAGE UPLOAD

[@cafn8ed74]

Aww, no more cut springs? Just kidding, that looks like a huge improvement. Good stuff!

[@sebastianh1458]

Great content as always, just what I need to tickle the vehicle dynamics 'tism! Say, what's your weight distribution and the spring rates you're running? Too hard front springs / too soft in the rear will also lead to understeer, on top of a, I assume, front-heavy weight distribution in your case. I'm doing the equivalent to Autocross here in Germany, in a street-spec Mercedes 190E. The rules only allow minor mods, as in tires, wheels, coilovers and sway bars. Everything else has to be stock, sold by the OEM for this particular make and model. Thus, it's really important to have a well-rounded setup. What I've found is that the set of coilovers I used to run where way to hard at the front. Great and very responsive in turn-in, but way too understeery in steady-state cornering.

[@HatersGarage]

I don't know the exact rates, but It's roughly 700 rear and 400 front. The weight distribution on these is like 62/38. The battle against understeer was rough as you saw. One thing I did off camera was disconnect the front sway bar, that seemed to increase front grip by a noticeable amount.

[@sebastianh1458]

@@HatersGarage Yup, a softer front-end in roll, ie disconnected sway bar, will give you more front-end grip. You sure it's 400 in front, 700 in rear? That's quite unusual to read. Based on a quick back-of-napkin calculation, I'd say that's plenty loose.

[@HatersGarage]

@@sebastianh1458 That's about what it is, the front springs are twice as long as the rears and the same diameter. It's pretty loose, but my preference is a very loose setup.