The First King of WESSEX - We Found him!!

[@pwhitewick]

You can Pre-order Paul's book on Cerdic here: www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/CERDIC-Mysterious-Dark-Age-king-who-founded-England-Hardback/p/49849

[@greenjack1959l]

Will it be on Audible?

[@pwhitewick]

@greenjack1959l good question. Not sure. I'll see if I can find out

[@theRhinsRanger]

​@@pwhitewicksomething to ponder Paul. These books, that describe it. Are they printed? Do they look written or block printed?

[@pwhitewick]

@@theRhinsRanger we are talking about an Anglo Saxon Charter from 900AD.

[@hobi1kenobi112]

I've just pre-ordered my copy and very much looking forward to it after April 30th. 🎉😊

[@bohemian-girl]

Your videos are most interesting. Thank you for sharing a window into your world. Sorry if my English isn't all there, it's not my first language. 💕 ^^

[@MattflemingMr]

I know exactly where that is. I run past there all the time!

[@PaulNurse1]

Paul, your channel is truly TV broadcast quality in its narration, content and production. I hope your efforts are suitably rewarded.

[@pwhitewick]

Wow, thank you!

[@hedleythorne]

Seconded

[@marksyb957]

@@hedleythorne Thirded

[@ltdada]

Thanks for this. I'm an American who can't get enough of British archeology , so this hits the spot nicely. Subscribed! I'll be buying the book, too.

[@neatchipops3428]

Well, that's funny, since the British sort is spelled... Archaeology.

[@leod-sigefast]

@@neatchipops3428 is that due to that 'ash' letter æ? A few Greek words were brought into English with it.

[@pumbar]

@@leod-sigefast It's a diphthong.

[@rotagbhd]

@@neatchipops3428 Not too funny when you realize America is the new and improved England.

[@aengusmacnaughton1375]

Fascinating -- thank you for sharing Paul's search/knowledge! And it's good that the landowners allowed you to walk their property in narrowing down the location of the barrow, and explaining the post-Roman history of that area!

[@martinmarsola6477]

Thank you for today’s walking tour as always. The conversation makes them more understandable. Always a pleasure trip to watch. As always, hello to Rebecca and have a great week ahead, Paul. See you on the next. Cheers mate! 🇬🇧🙂👍🇺🇸

[@stuartbridger5177]

Great work again Paul, more facinating history on your doorstep.

[@pwhitewick]

Many thanks!

[@Huscarle09]

In the church on the wall in Wareham there are 6th/7thC 'headstones' also baring brythonic names and the volumes of features in the environment around Dorset suggests significant continuity of the populous after it became part of Wessex

[@LilyoftheValeyrising]

You mean St. Martin’s On-the-Walls? I looked it up. I believe it’s Priory church of Lady St. Mary’s and the inscriptions are on google maps! Super cool.

[@HistoryTime]

This is truly fascinating stuff! Thanks for making this. Looking forward to more

[@pwhitewick]

Thank you 😊

[@paulinehedges5088]

Wow. That was FANTASTIC. Thank you, both Paul's for taking us with you. Book ordered!😊

[@pwhitewick]

Wonderful. Thank you Pauline.

[@shirleylynch7529]

Very interesting. So much we don’t know but continue to learn about the past. Thank you both.

[@davidgeorgea]

Computers are useful but old writing documents are by far more interesting. Enjoyed this walk 😊

[@greentie792]

Thanks!

[@pwhitewick]

Very much appreciated.

[@davidberlanny3308]

Hi Paul, very interesting investigation and really well presented. I'm amazed that they were able to keep track of time back then. I shall have a look out for that book next time I'm over. Good to see the cooperation from the local farmers. Have a great week!!

[@idjles]

people have been excellent at chronicling time for many millenia. just a small example - i saw a book in Melk, Austria this year that was written in the 1100's and had a 1 sentence summary of every year's events across Europe. A check on Wikipedia showed it was completely accurate, for events in Italy, England, Istanbul and eveyrwhere in between. Humans have always craved to know what happened far away, and important people made sure their own deeds are written for posterity. Even tyrants like Putin are doing exactly the same today.

[@PNETriffid]

@@idjles True, but the period between 410 and around 550 is the one in which we have almost no written evidence pertaining to southern and eastern Britain. In essence proto-History had returned, so there is no evidence that Cerdic existed, any more than King Arthur existed. The best we can say is that this may be the tomb of a man who might have been the first king of Wessex.

[@dave_h_8742]

Excellent content well presented betwixt the maps, drone footage and walking the lumps and bumps.

[@davie941]

hello again Paul, great video as always , very interesting , nice of them to allow you to walk on their land , really well done and thank you 😊

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks Davie

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Sounds like the pear tree must have been a well known feature in the landscape just like the hoar-apple tree that Harold's army camped by on the eve if the Battle of Hastings.

[@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3937]

100%, good reference to Hastings aswell

[@peterkitson2843]

There’s no such thing as a “hoar-apple tree”. It’s the tree that’s hoary, not the fruit on it.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@@peterkitson2843 well, that's how the sources describe it.

[@peterkitson2843]

@@neiloflongbeck5705 You haven’t gone to the sources, you’ve relied on the wording of translations which use modern English phrasing.

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

@peterkitson2843 in Old English hoar mean grey haired with age. But then again, the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle translation that I have access to gives William of Normandy the title Earl not Duke. This is a modern translation, and after almost a 1,000 years, it shouldn't have such an error. Unless it is a true translation of what was originally written, and I have no doubts that it is. Which means I find your argument fatuous and pointless.

[@zippy5131]

Always amazes me how small things lead to big discoveries. As in the Roman stone tablet in The Grosvenor museum in Chester, which depicts a roman (Sub roman) light cavalryman named Arthur. Yes it's still there for all to see........... Makes you wonder.

[@stephenchappell7512]

Cheers for that Zip will visit 👍

[@simonmcowan6874]

A pear tree can live and produce copious numbers of fruit, nice to eat, fresh or preserved, in maturity they usually produce fruit every other year, there are 3 trees near me that are well over 200 years old, so an imposing, known and useful tree would make an obvious land marker.

[@mckgregson8883]

Thanks

[@pwhitewick]

Very much appreciated 🙏

[@colintyrrell3670]

This has to be one of your best. Pure brilliance. Thank you

[@pwhitewick]

Thank you Colin. Very kind

[@landmannmike]

Enjoyed that. Thanks Paul.

[@badnervesbrown]

Very well put together, and very informative, thank you 🙂

[@hedleythorne]

As always, thanks for letting me preview!

[@wightwater5656]

Excellent Paul, and thank you for all your labors.

[@TekeHorse]

Excellent video! I ordered the book - I've been interested in this area of history because a branch of family has been around around the time of the Viking raids.

[@SpaceCadete101]

me too

[@WC21UKProductionsLtd]

A very rewarding investigation. Excellent work.

[@SamWelbourneGuitar]

Fascinating and excellent production! I hope Alice Roberts sees this. 🙏

[@pwhitewick]

Well that would be something.

[@Stoggler]

Good interesting vid. One minor point (being the pedant that I am), the two instances of the letter C in the name Cerdic are pronounced like the modern English digraph.

[@pwhitewick]

Ah ok... So Cher - Dich ?

[@Stoggler]

@@pwhitewick yep, that’s it.

[@jamescobban857]

This is consistent with the pronunciation of Vulgar Latin in the 6th century and with the reconstruction of proto-Welsh, but I would not be so dogmatic, especially about the pronunciation of the final -c especially if the following word began with a back vowel.

[@AllotmentFox]

It is a Brythonnic (Welsh) name not English. Saying that, I think “ch-“ when I read it.

[@pwhitewick]

@@AllotmentFox do you feel grundy (and paul) were close to the truth here with the main clues highlighted? Clearly your wheel house!!

[@powellmountainmike8853]

LOL ! I live in the Appalachian Mountains of Northeast Tennessee, U.S.A. Here there are plenty of pieces of land where landmarks on old deeds are trees, and these deeds are less than a century old.

[@GavTatu]

i guess by the time such trees had disappeared for whatever reason, the boundaries were well established to those who needed to know ?

[@chrish5319]

Fascinating, and different, book on order. Thank you.

[@pwhitewick]

Wonderful. Thanks Chris

[@peterdear3418]

Have been fascinated by Cerdic for a long time. I believe he is a British prince who lost his kingdom to Nud Lud and returned with a group or Saxon Mercenarys to reclaim his kingdom. He apparently had very good local knowledge and used the local Roman roads. His first battle could have been at a hillfort at Tatchbury mount near Neltley Marsh. He had an up understanding of the Saxon language. A man with a similar name is mentioned as a translator at Sarum when the Saxons betrayed the British during peace talks assassinating Important Chieftains. There is also a connection with the Welsh king of Powys believed to be king Arthur ( see Graham Phillips the real king Arthur) So in summary I believe Cerdic to be a major historic figure. A Keltic king with a kingdom bordering on the Saxons.

[@PaulHarper82]

Hi Peter thanks for your comment. Very interesting that you mention Graham Phillips as after my research on battles between warlords and kingdoms believe his theory on Arthur being Owain Danwyn is fascinating, it could certainly explain the Camlann aspect of the legend!

[@lifeschool]

@@PaulHarper82- Sorry to disappoint, but I traced all of the 'dark ages' using historical records, and I can tell you there was never a Welsh King Arthur.There was a Somerset King Arthur, and a Pennines King Arthur (the one where we get Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh, and then he went on to Camelon fields near the old Roman fort near Sterling.). They found Arthur of the North's grave years ago, but because of secrecy, we now no longer know where it is. They found a ring baring Arthur's name, that could only be read after casting it into a fire, and this is believed to be where Tolkien got the idea of the One ring. We knew more about Arthur in Tolkiens day, thanks to using genuine sources and not modern hear-say. Cerdic did fight with Arthur of the South, most likely. Here is my notes with rough dates. 514 Cerdicesora / Cerdic's Ore Arrival of more West Saxons in Wessex who fight for Cerdic. in three ships, at the place that is called Cerdic's-ore. And Stuff and Wihtgar fought with the Britons, and put them to flight. The Saxons Stuf and Wihtgar landed and defeated the Britons. 519 - Charford, Hampshire (Nennius) West Saxons fought with the Arthur and the Britons at a place now called South Charford on Avon, Som. Charford (Cerdicesford). King Cerdic of the West Saxons, with his son Cynric, defeated the Britons. From that day have reigned the children of the West-Saxon kings. 518/19 - Natanleaga / Netley This year Cerdic and Cynric slew a British king, whose name was Natanleod, and five thousand men with him (now Hampshire). Uther was ill and appointed Nathan to take care of the landing. The Saxons swept the field with ease. After this Cerdic owned the land from Cerdic's ford named Natanleaga (Netley) from him, as far as Charford (now Hampshire). Cerdic and his son Cynric defeated the British king Natanleod at Netley, Hants. 519 Cerdic was crowned King of Wessex. Cerdic and Cynric undertook the government of the West-Saxons. 520: Saxons took control of Sussex, Kent, East Anglia and part of Yorkshire, West Saxons now founded a Kingdom in Hampshire under Cerdic. 527 This year West Saxons Cerdic and Cynric fought with the Britons in the place that is called Cerdic's-ley. 533 Death of Cerdic of Wessex. This year died Cerdic, the first king of the West-Saxons. Cynric his son succeeded to the government, and reigned afterwards twenty-six winters. And they gave to their two nephews, Stuff and Wihtgar, the whole of the Isle of Wight.

[@PaulHarper82]

Hi thanks for your view, Arthur is a whole other debate, and there are many many theories but I find Graham Philips' one concerning Owain Danwyn very compelling! Support Dumville's view that Cerdic reigned later between 538 and 554. I theorize he was either a British or part British-Jutish ruler who employed Jutes confederates. The chronicle doesn't actually say a battle was fought at Natanleaga, it was almost certainly North Charford - there's a reference to a 'battle ford' in this location in an very old charter and it was also called 'Cerdeford' in the Domesday Book. Moreover, the 'leod' element of Natanleod means 'prince, chief, leader' in Old English. It is, however, all open to considerable interpretation with the lack of historical records - that's why I find this discovery so exciting! @@lifeschool

[@lifeschool]

@@PaulHarper82- As compelling as it may be, Owain was named Owain (pronounced Euwan) , not Arthur. People also get confused with Athrwys ap Meurig (c. 605-655), with Athrwys ap Mor/Mar (c.450-520). As for Cerdic, we only have Nennius and Wendover as a reference for him, and I find the truth is usually 100 times more boring than the fantasy stories.

[@PaulHarper82]

Arthur is the Old Welsh for 'bear', which Gildas uses when referring to Cuneglasus (Owain's son). Maelgwn (Mordred) killed his uncle (most likely Owain) says Gildas, Owain's father matches Uther Pendragon. Philips suggests Camlann was fought on the border of Powys and Gwynedd near the River Camlad. Many other theories are plausible as well and as you say probably more boring than the legend! I wouldn't equate the interpreter in Nennius with Cerdic who seemed to reign much later. This is a more convincing reference from a Royal charter to Cerdic's actual burial site which seems to have been very deliberately placed.

[@TiptreeJams]

A very interesting historic topic. I have pre-ordered the book to get more details.

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks James.

[@paulinehedges5088]

Book arrived and just started reading it. WOW. Going to really enjoy it. Thanks for telling me about it. 👍👍👍😊

[@Sowhat300]

The Pear Tree. I grew up in a valley in Appalachia in America that was surveyed by a teenage George Washington. He used landmarks like the big oak tree, walnut tree, ash tree or large rock. If you wonder what part of Appalachia, it is the western part named for England’s Virgin Queen.

[@stevegasparutti8341]

Very interesting post. Cerdic is a Brythonic name - in welsh Ceredig and in Roman latin Caracticus. His two successors, Cynric and Cealwin are also British. After them they are all Germanic/Saxon names - which would suggest Romano British leaders, descending from Roman officials who hired Saxon mercenaries as muscle and who may have eventually been overthrown in favour of Saxon leadership, which very much echos the Vortigern story.

[@laurendamasoruiz]

Or maybe a name change? Wouldn’t be the last time the ruling class had a rebrand

[@stevegasparutti8341]

Another possibility -.definitely

[@urseliusurgel4365]

The last Cerdicing king to have a Brythonic name was Caedwalla (Cadwallon) who reigned in the 680s; also Cynegils looks Brythonic - Cuneglassus/Cynglas, meaning 'blue-hound'. There is absolutely no reason for any overthrow, but every reason for later kings of the house to claim descent from incomers coming across the North Sea. I doubt that the ancestry of a successful war leader was of any account to his followers, just as long as he was able to supply land and plunder.

[@stevegasparutti8341]

@@urseliusurgel4365 I was specifically talking about Wessex Kings - and I agree there is no reason for a overthrow - but Usurping was a very common practice - so no reason to rule it out either. History in this era is not well documented and even the best sources are subject to speculation.

[@urseliusurgel4365]

@@stevegasparutti8341 I also was specifically talking about the kings of Wessex, the royal house of Wessex was called the 'Cerdicings', after Cerdic. However, before the reign of Caedwalla they were usually called the kings of the Gewissae. There is plenty of evidence that the Cerdicings were split into various branches and it is probable that subkings existed within Wessex. It is more likely that political instability was the result of internecine feuds between branches of the Cerdicings, than that they were usurped.

[@flyball1788]

Thank you for this one all of you - surpassed yourselves methinks. My favourite part of history - so book ordered too 😀

[@alistairriggs5911]

amazing detective work well done all of you folks

[@fion1flatout]

Flippin excellent stuff thanks. Especially thanks for asking the farmers, after all it's unlikely they're not related to someone as far back as Cerdic

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks Fiona

[@hobi1kenobi112]

Really brilliant stuff. And I can't wait to buy the book.

[@FiscalWoofer]

Super Video Paul! Keep up the amazing work, despite what some might say. The amount of work you have put in is stunning!

[@IndianaDel1]

I just received this book, it is gripping from the very start. Fascinating read, thank you for making me aware of this book and the subject matter it looks at.

[@pwhitewick]

Wonderful!

[@PaulHarper82]

That's fantastic of you to say, and much appreciated. I'm not sure if you purchased via Amazon but if you have the time a rating or review would be good :)

[@IndianaDel1]

@@PaulHarper82 I did, and I have through the US Amazon where I purchased it. Good Luck Sir!

[@PaulHarper82]

That's great thanks a bunch :) ​@@IndianaDel1

[@Sim0nTrains]

Very interesting video, enjoyed watching it

[@mustrumridcully3853]

As always, telling our history by telling an engaging story.

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks, I definitely try

[@globalheart]

Nothing grabs my attention more than Wessex !!!!!❤

[@sirensynapse5603]

Thank you! -Wes

[@SpaceCadete101]

My last name is Wilton so I'm fascinated by Wessex too.

[@peterdear3418]

Cerdic had a pack with Cunomorus of Dumnonia (Dorset) And cermented his alliance With Dumnonia by marrying Cunomorus daughter who bore him a son Cynric. Further proof of the importance of Cerdic in the eyes of his fellow British kings.

[@jonlinin9682]

Can you tell me your source ?

[@mikeharper3459]

And perhaps double check spelling of super simple words before hitting the "post" button…

[@Roy-gi5ul]

@@mikeharper3459pact?

[@HeffalumpHorralump1]

A source would be fab, I’m fascinated by King Mark. Ignore stupid comments about spelling. It’s a comment section not a spelling bee. Also I thought you were going for a pun - CERdic CERmented his power. Brilliant.

[@tzazosghost8256]

Prove it, reference exactly where you have evidence.

[@RichardSibley-n1n]

Fascinating, thank you.

[@robertdavie1221]

I am looking forward to reading his book.

[@pwhitewick]

Thanks Robert

[@liberty_and_justice67]

Great work! Enjoy following your investigation 🎉

[@thelostlegendsoflewesandhamsey]

I’ve been doing the same thing with Beornwulf. Ham. A charter that references Beow. Aethelstan. The reality of Beowulf. I have written a book about it that’ll be out soon. Give me a shout if you want to read it and then make another video. It’s incredible stuff.

[@cernunnos_lives]

My grandfather had said to me as a kid (when looking at old pictures of our ancestoral village), The land will always tell you the real history of our family. It's right there.

[@LamboPhoto]

I got excited then, as I thought for a moment you were suggesting he was burried in Chiseldon due to 4:35, but it's supposedly Andover. Again, well constructed and informative vid. Loving your channel 👍

[@johnharris6589]

👍 Great episode very educational I didn't even know where wessex was.

[@More-Space-In-Ear]

What a fantastic story with an amazing trail.

[@sam_uelson]

I love this channel.

[@nickgardner1507]

NIce job Guys!

[@996o0o966]

It was mentioned that the story was in doubt because his reign was 39 years, but "most people were lucky to live into their late thirties". I thought this was a misunderstanding of the statistics and average age was late thirties but most of this was due to child births and, if we excluded those, it would be average age of sixties. Do you have some more info on this?

[@vincentiusa]

You are correct: the average age was low because of child-mortality. So you could live to a venerable age then as well

[@PaulHarper82]

Hi thanks for your comment the whole timeframes are questionable. The periods of Cerdic are given 39 years, Cynric 65 and Ceawlin 35. Yet other more plausible sources say Cerdic 22 (16 year reign, from six years after landing) Cynric 27 and Ceawlin 7 or 17. And it's likely the shadowy Creoda, Cerdic's son, should be placed there somewhere. Found the Roman emperors between 193 and 476 averaged 46 years. The study of six contemporary Anglo Saxon sites found the age ranged from 31.6 to 40.3 for men and 30.2 to 42.2 for women. In the main it seems the life expectancy was relatively low, and you have to factor in the impact of the volcanic winter and plague also. The most logical conclusion is that the reigns of most if not all the sixth century Wessex kings were extended. Thanks, Paul

[@nodarkthings]

It would be amazing to think he could be buried there! I think it's more likely that the barrow is much older though. There's an Iron Age cemetery near here that's come to be known as Dane's Graves and a lot of prehistoric monuments are now associated with King Arthur.

[@billmmckelvie5188]

Hi Paul, this is a great video, I will have to watch it again and see if there is any references in the Bede's Ecclesiastical History to see if Cedric is mentioned.

[@PaulHarper82]

There doesn't appear to be unfortunately, nor Gildas, but Bede mentions his grandson Ceawlin and calls him the second Bretwalda. Thanks!

[@billmmckelvie5188]

@@PaulHarper82 Thanks for your very prompt reply it has beaten me, to looking up the Book of Bede as I rewatched your video!

[@barryballard1408]

Paul, speaking from SP10, a great and absorbing local story. As a re-watch is essential, the chapter references are really useful. Well done for helping raise the topic to our attention. I will certainly invest in Paul's book. Incidentally, does the Anglo Saxon Chronicle mention Cedric's adoption of Tweed at any point?

[@pwhitewick]

haha... now there is an image!

[@paulukjames7799]

Lovely views and story

[@keithfarrell3370]

Fascinating thank you

[@pwhitewick]

Very welcome

[@Jabberstax]

Fascinating stuff 👌

[@IndianaDel1]

Ordered the book, based on this video. I hope it will be as good as this was.

[@amandachapman4708]

Great piece of research. Very interesting, I shall have to get the book!

[@alexguest9937]

Definitely be getting the book!

[@gibjamie]

Excellent stuff

[@pwhitewick]

Thank you kindly

[@kroo07]

Another fascinating story. I just wish to make a point about Paul's assertion that "this was a time people were lucky to live into their thirties", and I have heard other historians make similar statements. I have no doubt that he is about right with average ages but I would suggest that every village or tribe would have some people in their fifties or sixties and occasionally even older. I did some statistics on a number of Dorset villages where there are excellent burial records for the 1600's. Yes the average age at death was around fourty by then but one can say with near certinty that anyone reaching say 21 at that time would have personally met or known someone of at least 80 and probably knew of someone in a nearby village that was over 90 or even 100. Sounds surprising that what my limited research showed. Maybe an interesting topic to look into, could be something that would interest Rebecca?

[@pwhitewick]

Yup it is quite a tricky one. Indeed the notion that the average age is low because of infant mortality is definitely a thing. However in an unsettled era probably 1000 years before most parish records I think living beyond 50 would have been rare. In fact arch records from burial chambers and such often show this to be the case.

[@PaulHarper82]

Hi thanks for your comment. From research it does appear the average age was between 30-40. As you rightly say, there are surely examples of people living much longer but in the main life expectancy appears very low compared to modern standards.

[@kurtisengle6256]

Thank you, to you kind gents.

[@StephenDavenport-zqz2ub]

A great video. The lack of written records make the Dark Ages fascinating. A time of mystery and many legends.

[@catherinebutler4819]

Terrific stuff - well done!

[@Conancm]

If Cerdic was Romano British, it potentially gives the current toyal family a link through the Wessex lineage back into those times. I find it plausible in any case that Saxons, who were already here as mercenaries in late Roman times may have in some cases been led by the remnants of the Romano British elite.

[@wesowsley6444]

Hello Paul! I have just found your channel and have been enjoying your past videos. I was wondering if I could ask a question. What exactly is a "Holloway?" I have a guess at what it is but would be wonderful if you could help me out! Cheers!

[@pwhitewick]

Hey there, welcome to the channel. A Holloway, is essentially a very old route that has sunken down over time. Either due to a lot of traffic use, or re-flattening of the road to create a level surface. Both these combined with weathering create this sunken lane feature.

[@wesowsley6444]

@@pwhitewick - Thanks very much for the explanation!

[@springheeledjack9652]

I found cerdics barrow years ago. It's scheduled ancient monument in Stoke exactly where the Saxon chronicles say it is. We had archeologist out there.

[@PaulHarper82]

Hi thanks for your comment. There is a barrow in Stoke of the same name but this doesn't fit with the charter at all. I believe the connection stems from how a Willow Tree Farm - a Willow Tree Grove is the next landmark after Cerdic's Barrow in the charter - is situated next to this particular barrow in Stoke. The site I believe was once called Cerdic's Barrow fits with the charter and is in a very prominent place next to ancient trackways and an Offa's Dyke style ditch. Thanks, Paul

[@jameswalksinhistory3848]

Very interesting Paul-Thank you

[@pwhitewick]

Very welcome

[@kalvaxus]

Need to get Time Team in on this!

[@LKBRICKS1993]

Excellent video very interesting really enjoyed it.

[@lesbendo6363]

Interesting! Thx. 🇨🇦

[@PhotiniByDesign]

Fantastic episode Paul, thanks.

[@andrewlamb8055]

Gooood episode today Paul ⚔️⚔️💫💫⭐️👍🌍

[@pwhitewick]

Thank you.

[@Asher0208]

Thank you for your video. It sounds very interesting. IMany a great find happens when an enthusiastic investigator hunts down clues. I wonder though how it will go when other historians review this suggestion. He does seem to make a number of presumptions e.g. where the pear tree and willows are, and only time will tell whether his reading of the text is true or not. Still, it is interesting .

[@catherinegilbert8740]

Actually, the use of trees as boundary markers was a long established practice. Even down to the American Colonies. When George Washington was hired to survey the lands that became the Mid-West States, he used large trees as markers. Some of them became famous. These people were not thinking about history.

[@lawrencewretham7816]

Wow! That’s incredible. Though, also, credible.

[@pwhitewick]

Cheers Lawrence

[@thekarmafarmer608]

Incredible! Reunite the Time Team for a special, perhaps????

[@QALibrary]

are there going to be any official investigations?

[@pwhitewick]

Wheels are in motion I believe.

[@kensmith6859]

Great story, do more of this type

[@fuzzy3440]

Love all your content!

[@a11oge]

great find - book preordered - thanks

[@a11oge]

now have the book - it's a great read. plenty of info etc.

[@leonardjackman354]

Another great video thank you .

[@mysoulperspective607]

King Cerdic Elesasson is my 42nd great grandfather ❤

[@malcolmrichardson3881]

Searching for origins is endlessly fascinating but usually very frustrating, especially at this distance in time. This was very informative and enjoyable. Do we know anything of Cerdic's relatives/descendents and where they are likely to be buried.

[@PaulHarper82]

There's suggestions Challow (Ceawan Hlewe) in Wantage is named after the burial place of Cerdic's warlike grandson Ceawlin and Cuckhamsley Barrow (Cwichelmeshlaew) after the 7th century Gewisse king Cwichelm.

[@malcolmrichardson3881]

@@PaulHarper82 Paul, thanks for this info. I will follow it up.

[@AnneDowson-vp8lg]

As a descendant of Alfred the Great, who claimed descent from Cerdic, I am very interested in this. Cerdic has a British name, but led a band of Saxons, which is intriguing. The author Rosemary Sutcliffe, who wrote books for schoolchildren aged 9 to 16, and was my favourite author at that age, hinted in her book The Lantern Bearers that Cerdic may be the son of the British king Vortigern and his Saxon wife Rowena. Vortigern was the one who invited the Saxons to Britain to fight the Picts and afterwards they demanded Kent as a reward for winning. Vortigern also was connected to the Hwicce tribe in what is now Gloucestershire, who may also have German origins. This makes sense.

[@PaulHarper82]

There does seem to be a link between Vortigern and Cerdic. Foederati associated with Vortigern were later described by Bede as Jutes in Kent while Jutes were also present on the Isle of Wight and associated with Cerdic. These two groups seem very close culturally and may have arrived at a similar time. Both Vortigern and Cerdic appear to have employed Germanic confederates to help fight their wars, but Cerdic seemed to arrive much later than Vortigern and his father is listed in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle as Elesa. I do cover this possible connection, it's fascinating and confusing as Cerdic appears to be fighting rival local warlords for territory not Picts or Scots. Thanks.@@AnneDowson-vp8lg

[@colinmacdonald404]

Thanks 👍

[@bonch-vp2sd]

Have you considered giving it a shot at coming up with your own interpretation of where the battle of Watling street might have been, juicy mystery!

[@pwhitewick]

Nope... but I'm now intrigued

[@jonntischnabel]

The myth that people "barely lived into their 30s" is caused by the fact that the AVERAGE age of death was so low, but this figure is skewed by an extremely high infant mortality rate. People living on organic food, who don't sit around playing computer games, who spend their entire lives out in unpolluted air do not just drop dead at 30! 😂

[@dougmartin7129]

No drugs that would take care of the smallest infection being available I’m sure wasn’t a factor. Even drinking water could kill you.

[@globalheart]

Battles, disease, even an infected cut...a harsh year with crop failure or dying livestock, getting soaked and freezing whilst on a journey. Many reasons life could be all too short, for a great many at that time. Not to mention raiders of every ilk !!! Hence, his apparent age is quite noteworthy.

[@antonyreyn]

Correct survive childhood and 50 was more probable cheers

[@melaniewhite6157]

About a quarter of women died in childbirth

[@cliffhughes6010]

These people were genetically identical to us. In pre-urban Britain, without the crowded living conditions that would exacerbate the spread of infectious diseases, there is no reason to suppose they wouldn't have had similar lifespans to us. Only birth problems (bad design) and violent death would have provided higher mortality figures.

[@alecbrown66]

I live in downton on the hampshire- wiltshire border in the Avon Valley. Here we have north charford, charford and south charford. Charford is the modern variation on Cerdics Ford, and all 3 points are close to hillfort, an old roman road, and the boundary of the saxon Church at Braemore (all that remains of a huge saxon monastery that envelopes a roman Fort and 2 roman villas), and the old neolithhic-iron age road from Winchester to Weymouth. So I would place him as around here

[@davegillman6296]

Very good video its got me convinced

[@williamlloyd3769]

Fascinating

[@yt.602]

That was really interesting, thanks :)

[@Anglo-Saxon66]

Linguists still can't decide if the name Cerdic is Germanic or "Celtic" in origin. If Germanic then it is pronounced "Cher-dich". If "Celtic" it is just as, if not more likely, a continental "Celtic" name (rather than Brythonic) which would be consistent with the ASC stating he came over with ships to Britain. Of course, he could have been a Saxon foederati descendant commanding Brythons (and Saxons) and who bestowed this Cerdic title onto him. First names themselves do not necessarily denote one's heritage. Clearly he was Anglo-Saxon culturally, linguistically and religiously.

[@Thekaiser4100]

That Anglo-Saxon pronunciation you posit wouldn’t have come about for another hundred years or so as k-fronting hadn’t yet occurred in the early old English period.