Pz VII: Worth The Grind in World of Tanks?

[@MaxGamingFPS]

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[@thegreatape170]

The Panzer 4 H used to be my primary credit maker back when I didn't have any premiums. Also, due its spaced side armor, it was pne of the few tanks that could somewhat survive against a KV2 HE shell compared to the sherman

[@lukaskral1800]

6:02 yes it was. I used to love the tank and used it for credit grinding when i had no premiums

[@sestican4666]

I believe it was the VK.36.01 (H) that was a medium tank at first. It might have been with both of them though...

[@neeevirus]

​​@@sestican4666 I dont remember the vk3601h being a med But I never rlly paid attention to it and kept confusing it with the vk3001H so idk But I can backup OP's comment, the VK 3001P was definitely a fast med tank back then

[@otheruser-x7f]

@@sestican4666 the vk 36.01 was always a heavy

[@marktester5799]

And a fast one that could reach 60+ kph. This was my go-to tournament/skirmish tank. Still great as a heavy, traded mobility for HP, but it was a better medium.

[@GrafZeppelin789]

​@otheruser-x7f No it was a medium like 10 years ago. I forget what patch it was when it got changed into a heavy though. Edit, looked it up it was patch 8.8 it was changed.

[@andresperez93c]

The battle pass camo is almost a must-have since it visuaully conceals the weak points of the turret base triangle and the sides

[@slimkop4186]

but it makes the lower plate looks bigger and easy target to hit from wherever

[@GewelReal]

bruh

[@andresperez93c]

@@slimkop4186 But if you angle it correctly, it shouldn't be a problem because it's the thickest lower plate armor (230mm) there

[@generalknez3942]

Thats why i use simple outlines to only highlight tank's outlines which my shell can hit. This also ignores decorations on tank designs, like Centurion's turret fake sides. Also counters 3d skin models. Why would i have outlines on Badger's ATV on the back?

[@alexanderstoyanov7464]

Back when vk 30 01 p was a med it was an absolute beast, imo the best tier 6 tech tree med. Nowadays it's still alright, but the speed nerf killed it somewhat

[@asfaruddinahmad4759]

Yesssss going with 55 speed is sooo sickkk

[@rudatkatzn9171]

Yes. I felt like a good when I got the 88 for it, throwing heavy punches around. Now... Its meh.

[@fomalhaut9]

Yeah - it was a ramming monster too

[@urchinsify]

Owning the VK (k) should give you access to this tank's gun. It's literally the exact same tank. I don't care if I have to buy the gun at 2 million credits. Just give me access to it on my VK (k) because im not buying a whole new tank just for a different gun.

[@chiquilio]

the VK has better side armour on the hull cheeks, which is unfair

[@urchinsify]

@@8-.-8 +10/-10% difference in armor/mobility does not count. In all aspects they're the exact same except for the gun which is cheap way to add a "new" tank that already exists.

[@KuliJens]

L take 💩

[@urchinsify]

2 months later : I bought the tank because it's on sale and I don't care anymore 🤣

[@yvindsollien2990]

Also, what is fun with the VK 45.02 (P) Ausf. A, is doing nose-poking(just present nose, bit hide drive wheel) like an amx or pz-VII, bait a shot that will bounce, then deliver a shot. The nose of that thing is SOLID.And the tier 9 had my 9k block record for a LONG time, that thing holds up at range. The way the B can just hold a line/ funnel is amazing

[@Little-bird-told-me]

I have learned so much from your channel. Thank you very much. You need more subs. Definitely ! Personally I rate your channel along side Skill,QB and Daki

[@Taldaris]

The VK 4502 A was always a heavium, I enjoyed playing. The buff for it was a rare case of WG buffing a tank, but not overdoing it. Fun to play, can be killed, not OP. I actually bring it in survival Myrium, as a substitute for a Caravan, since the bots have a hard time of penetrating it. And gosh, who remembers the VK 3001 P as a medium? The grind for it is atrocious.

[@isuzu6851]

It was my first tier 6... it was god awfull.

[@williamsmail2562]

One of your best vids. I am now very interested in grinding this line. Way to go Max.

[@K_LeShaeya]

I don't care what WG says or what people think. The *VK 30.01 P* is NOT a heavy, it never was and never will. It's been a medium since it came out, and it's still a medium now. WG just made it slower and gave it more HP, didn't touch its "armor". Of which the VK 30 P has never had good armor. It's still a medium, the symbol changed but that tank hardly changed. Still play it like a sniper/flanker medium~

[@Drippum]

hey max, wonderful video but please for the future keep in mind that 9 in roman numerals is IX and not XI (that is 11), it may have been a typo, but i couldn’t help but notice it.

[@MaxGamingFPS]

It was a typo

[@johannesnt7217]

I actually like the Tiger P. You need to play it like the Pz VII. If you peek the same way you do with the Pz VII, you will be able to hide the weak sides on the tiger, only showing the reinforced frontal hull.

[@johannesnt7217]

Play it like the 279

[@beniuuu7560]

I would agree with everything exept on VK B being good. It's average at best, and when compared to E 75 it has basicly nothing to offer. It should have 530 alpha like E 75 then it would be good in my opinion.

[@Toffee-kta]

I'm lost on how 40 average dmg can mean so much when it's much better defensively I dont mean its armor is thicker, but that and e75 performs better played aggressively, the B performs better played defensively. Its why the E75 needed the superior firepower because otherwise there was little it could off that the VK-B couldnt.

[@kwkfortythree39]

Vk3001p was a medium indeed, and could reach 60km/h at the time.

[@robertlocock5636]

Yeah, it was great :)

[@cobrachen]

I feel that almost Everytime watching your videos regarding tech tree and grinding, They let me into the same situation: you persuaded me and change my mind. Just like this one, you changed my thoughts to the Tier 8 one and decided to buy the Tier 9. One week ago, I decided to skip complete the whole tree. So, in the end, I spent more credits because of you.😂😂😂😂😂😂 Thanks.

[@DiegoGarcia-cg8gr]

Vk 36 used to be heavy, vk 30 used to be medium

[@Micky3TO]

Both were mediums

[@DiegoGarcia-cg8gr]

@@Micky3TO incorrect

[@DiegoGarcia-cg8gr]

Apologies only vk 30 has changed. Don't have access to the game rn but recent KZbin uploads of the game still show vk36 as a heavy

[@Micky3TO]

@@DiegoGarcia-cg8gr Hows that ? I liked my VK3601 when it was a medium and I was very disappointed when it was turned to heavy. Whats incorrect ?

[@DiegoGarcia-cg8gr]

@Micky3TO Apologies in advance if I'm actually incorrect, but when was it turned into a heavy if it was a medium? Everything I find on KZbin and Google with some of the vids being 7+ years old all portray it as heavy. I also remember grinding out the line for the e100 and remember that was the tank I had to grind through. Vk 30 used to be a med when grinding out the German med line I think... but then changed when the tech tree rework happened...i think

[@Tanker-A]

😮 vk 30p was so good that in my first year in wot, i got kolobanov with it against 6 tanks while being lower tier :)

[@camrenwick]

Love this kind of video. I used to have the VK45.02 A many years ago, maybe I'll get it back now. I have the VK 45.02 B and it's one of my favourites.

[@ohgord-qc3qd]

You can play the PZ7 well, angled up in a hull down position and bounce everything. I blocked over 10k in this before the buff, and the Nergal now plays the same

[@Tankers4Change]

I love my PZ VII. - Once you get the funky angling down, you can bait shots into the lower plate & it isn’t hard to consistently farm 4k DPG. I was honestly caught off guard by how many 7k+ Dmg games I’ve had in it.

[@alexanderneukam1065]

VK-A "It is massive, just like mine" :D ... thanks, needed that laugh :). I love the NEW VK-A ... I played over 200 games in the "old version" and the new one is just great. I just wish the track and "forhead" weakspot wouldn't be THIS prominent (especially all 122mm russian guns, which can be gotten from tier 6 and above :( ....)

[@john-anderspettersson5919]

Good instructive video, thank you🙂!

[@jovidiantosoesilodewo9688]

I free exped straight to tier IX VK and realised how dumb I were for not unlocking the top engine. It was one of the most unplayable tank stock, so my experience with it were not so great. The Pz VII however was dumb fun to play with. One thing to note is that, the gun really is bad at snapshotting but once you fully aim, it hits weakspots easily. Additionally, bond turbo and up is mandatory as it gives you less time to wiggle your frontal armor enough to bait shots effectively. An overall good superheavy tank.

[@MarkoMakela-kk7qf]

I play for a fun and have now all Tier X tanks and even some clan reward tanks so I am just speaking about a fair game here, nothing else but still especially for those who are starting this game. As a game for me this is the best I have ever played and, belive or not, I have played more than enough all kinda games. And I just hope this will continue be the best one ever for me and maybe for others too. Probs for Max for his honest approach.

[@-dany-3374]

29:20 xD in times when 90% of players play full gold and 340-420 penetration per shell, no angle on the lower plate will help you, I did over 1000 battles with this tank and I say it's not a good idea

[@spiritusmundi5398]

Why is it that many heavy tank lines always start off with medium tanks up to tier 7 and then switch to heavy tanks? I find that very annoying. After learning to play medium tanks you have to learn all over again to play the heavy tanks in this line. Not to mention having to spend gold retraining all the skills on your crew from playing the medium tanks to heavy tanks, especially if you keep the same crews throughout.

[@UnknownRex]

Historically the earlier tanks were not heavy.

[@wote2760]

Ah yes love hearing Max ranting!

[@MaxGamingFPS]

Most of this video is praise!

[@wote2760]

@@MaxGamingFPS a praising rant!

[@ekscalybur]

3001P as a medium was pretty bad. Fast enough to get you into big trouble, no armor and big as a house. No one had trouble hitting you. Being so long also made it easy for arty to land shots onto the engine deck. This was back when 4 arty, or more (PER SIDE), was common.

[@yurkafrankvel966]

I always liked this line. Still have the tiger P the vk and the tiwr 9 vk and i love the PZ VII

[@zebradgr8339]

Tiger(P) used to be a powerhouse when it entered the game

[@gfair2]

Disagree strongly on the Tiger P - its armor is quite trollish. You have to be a little bit active, try to rotate the tank to bounce shots, but with a bit of shimmy in your hips, it can do fantastically. Remember this thing is going up against Tiger 1, M6, Ju-To at even-tier, it cuts through those tanks like butter, it's just an absolute alley bruiser. The Tiger 1 has 100mm of hull and turrent armor - the P, same tier, doubles that. 200mm. Ranked 6th overall in hull armor, 9th overall for turret, and most of its betters are rare / never seen. Every time I take the tank out I feel highly confident in its ability to make an impact, and sometimes just on the pre-match tank list alone I know it's going to be a roflstomp of a game.

[@jariheimoluoto4959]

vk45.02 is good and its only problem is that vk100.01p is right next to it and propably one of the best techtree heavy tanks at tier 8.

[@Taudlitz]

ha made it in time, praise be!

[@aa1944-k2r]

tier 9 VK stocks turret was buffed a lot, a while ago i was wondering why i cant pen it like tiger 2's stock turret.

[@thuleseeker818]

Tiger I is legendary, but i must say i really enjoy Porno Tiger, everything is worse except armor on him, but that armor is pretty troll and feeling so much better than Tiger I, everyone when see you just say in his head "oh its tiger, autoaim or brainless shooting" and I was often surprised how much shoots, even gold from tier IX i can stand, as everage (1400 WN8) player I have more than 2000 WN8 on it and it was the first one I fully marked, it was a pleasant surprise and I thoroughly enjoyed it

[@descartes2404]

Reminder that the Tiger 1 and Tiger P basically have the same gun but the Tiger 1 have 280 alpha vs 240. Also faster reload and better gun handling. Idk why the hell WG decide to left the Tiger P gun as still 240 even though its basically the same damn gun.

[@sp00tn1k3]

i was surprised by this tank i had amazing games with it

[@Hanacky_Princ]

Its a pitty that the tier 9 doesnt have the 530 gun that E 75 has, If it was on me I would do it the oppsosite way.

[@ignasanchezl]

Tiger P getting 12 reverse is so dumb considering this was one of the only operational German tank with an electric transmission (other than the Maus)

[@generalknez3942]

Man, that tier 8 VK i bullied so much by overmatching it's forehead with my 130mm T 103 lmao. T 103 can go hulldown and not really care pretty much. Also has 307mm pen so it can do the job even in tier 10 and still goes toe to toe in hulldown especially against that tier 9 VK because it just gies through the face as soon as this guy is moving in from cover. And if isnt, your turret had a troll shape so its not easy to pen at all whereas VK has a flat face. VK is definitely a good tank though as long as you know what you're doing.

[@doubleutubefan5]

the vk was a medium, just look at old youtube videos of it

[@AsusSusu-o3x]

Interesting you say this line is so good, what do you think about the premium t8 version? Vk 72.01? I struggle to make it work properly, I think it's the gun.

[@MaxGamingFPS]

Now that, is an awful tank 😂 I like the gun, but that's it.

[@khsolo]

Stabilizer, vents and aiming fixes the problem

[@norbrook1789]

old vk 30.01 P was absolutely broken it was beast with good mobility good gun just everything was pretty much fun like the old tiger P very decent tank for my opinion ! my games with the vk was fun with high damage per game

[@kallbrand]

@MaxGamingFPS I already have the VK (K) from my glory days. Would you say it is worth using 186k free XP to unlock and buy the Pz VII?

[@panzerkampfwagenviausf.b2236]

this video is the very first time I saw someone say good about the VK 45.01 p and I hope its the last time I do

[@ogmechsftw]

the tank's armour sucks out in the open. but around a corner? brutal to deal with

[@brianlafrance4512]

Any reason to get it if I have the VKK? Seems like you can play it with standard ammo on the cheap. VKK requires heat basically

[@AleksandarM987]

The VK45 A (before buff) almost made me delete my account forever. The worst grind ever. Cursed every match with it. But thank God the VK45 B was totaly worth the pain.

[@konstantinp.8405]

Why do you not play every tank for one game ?

[@MaxGamingFPS]

I will add a game in each for next time and see how it performs.

[@konstantinp.8405]

@@MaxGamingFPS great, thanks 😊

[@SteffenAgermannChristiansen]

whats the Mod that shows the other hidden stats?

[@real_Fabiot]

19:54 Tier XI would be Tier 11, you probably meant IX... sorry for nitpicking 😂

[@Lol-dx8lt]

I grinded this line only for the trade in that will happen in the future 😂

[@DadBodWarrior]

Damn where was this video when they first discounted this line😂😂😂😂 I'm already at teir IX

[@latvius7600]

TIer 8 forget it any tech tree tier 8 is at a serious disadvantage vs all the OP premiums out there, I hardly bother with tier 8 anymore unless I need credits which I pretty much hold 140mil right now for most of the year. Tier 9 slipper, yeah sidescrape all you want your're just gonna get heat through the turret roof or flat turret cheeks. So hard pass, I found the mauschen much easier to play. The PZ7 yeah I like it but still in the 3/5 star category.

[@Kanikalion]

grinding that whole line? Psh, no. Some of those tanks are.... *not good*, to put it generously. But, some are also quite good and enjoyable, and the PZ 7 seems to be pretty beastly. Free XP is there for a reason.

[@MpS__tiden_går]

oh thank god it is not a shit tank, I spent 50 games in the tier 9 to get the xp, I'm glad that it isn't for nothing

[@spicychicken9009]

200pen is good? For someone who play on only gold then yes but otherwise u can't do shit against defender unless u manage to hit cupola, so no thanks

[@DamoBloggs]

I love how you gloss over the God awful grind to get past the stock components on the VK45 02 B. Folks, if you can afford it, save yourselves a lot of pain and free XP as much of it as you can.

[@-dany-3374]

A tank whose biggest disadvantage is very bad armor, and the advantage is a good gun, what does WG give? a gun buff xD

[@hanyuudesuu]

With the other tanks in the game? Not really.. if you have everything and youre bored, why not ig.

[@tohkia8840]

The vk reward tonk is better bcoz beg alpha = beg dmg

[@eeiko321]

Obj705A better yeah?

[@jariheimoluoto4959]

The tier 5 meme derps are not really that good after the he changes. Tier 4 derps how ever are fun as tier 4 tanks have no armor and are mostly pennable by he.

[@M45KY]

GERMAN FOREHEAD APPLY!

[@Wojtekpl2]

Could not stand tier IX after fantastic tier VIII. 45.02 B is disgusting to play.

[@wojciechsmi]

tier 6 is total shit its slow, and with out armor, where did you get 8/10 from? its max 4/10 but only becouse of the gun

[@dzonikinderjaje3298]

pz7 is average at best bro. shoulders and mantlet are a weakspot, lower plate gets eaten with 340 heat, unicums can make every tank work even this, but for average player its nothing special.

[@_mc950_]

What tech tree tank is special in the hands of the average player? I’m truly not being snarky, would love to know people’s thoughts

[@dzonikinderjaje3298]

@@_mc950_ tier 8 is-m.

[@amiigaf4476]

imo def. not worth it You see, its a wannabe superheavy. Penable through the turret, penable whilst sidescraping... the 705 A is the same but better in any way besides the gun maybe. A superheavy that cant bounce sh!t is useless

[@samtu5862]

👍👍👍

[@Techie1224]

From tier 5 to tier 8 are absolute shit very slow ,bad armor ,bad guns ,, tier 8 with 200 pen isnt good ffs every tier 8 now is having 220+ pen &400 dmg even prems maybe 9 and 10 are worth playing

[@fomalhaut9]

Noice

[@zhongyiqian5176]

Vk b tier 11 lol

[@neilwilliams4684]

First. Hi Max :-)

[@MskWind]

This game lost the fun! Wargaming its all about the money, short battle and contact

[@matereo]

No, waste of time and credits..

[@GewelReal]

bad line with just Pz II and Pz IV H worth playing

[@AleksandarM987]

its not maushen 😂 its pronounced something like Moys-hen

[@omgabaddon]

I'm at tier 9 and it's a hard "not unles you can freexp literally all modules including tracks and engine. EDIT: The only reason why tier 8 and 9 show red is because their guns suck balls, everyone pens me through the turret straight on. Those 2 tanks suck.

[@IZombiesProIIZombiesProI]

Ur just bad at the game you have to keep moving and know how to angle your tank, I do agree that tier 8 doesn't have a good gun but the rest are normal you just don't know how to use it

[@Samomatus]

nah maus better