Take Command TorqueSim CitationJet 525 | Review | X-Plane 12

[@sandhillsaviation280]

Was really looking forward to your review of this aircraft. Great job as always! I was excited about this aircraft for XP-12, but after your review think I'm going to wait for the finished product. You are spot on about the price.

[@GabryelHdPerformance]

Thank you Q8 fot this review.. I'll wait little bit more for the purchase because the price/system implementation. But it's a really amazing model!

[@alexanderreynolds6849]

Another Great video Q8,ThankYou Very Much!!!!

[@xvmanrique]

Another excellent Q8 presentation ,keep on going Sir!

[@michaelkaercher]

Cool little twin engine.

[@donaldholman9070]

Great flight and super review….thank you

[@ifrtutor]

Thank you. I think price is ridiculous though. I’d probably be interested at half or less. It’s just madness

[@PilotLH]

Thankyou for doing this review! I will definitely wait until this aircraft is more complete to purchase so I feel like Im getting my monies worth and not just buying into an alpha/beta release.

[@x-aviation]

It is definitely not an alpha or beta release. As you can see in the video, it performed without issue. While a performance calculator is coming and Q8 would have liked that, it's really not critical for this aircraft, unlike an airliner. It's basically very simple in that regard and almost always right around the same number like most GA aircraft.

[@PilotLH]

I think TorqueSim have done a fantastic job so far on this aircraft and I am excited to get my hands on it. However, as a customer, when a product is released at this price point without complete documentation and key features missing such a failure system, planned systems that are currently inop and even a basic maintenance system, it does feel like we’re receiving a half-baked product. If you compare this release to other high quality offerings, there are many that are cheaper or around the same price that have a higher fidelity and subsequently offer a lot more value for money. I don’t think this add on is far off of expectations at all and once a few updates have passed and some of the planned features have been implemented I’m sure it’ll be good value for money considering the quality of the product.

[@x-aviation]

@@PilotLH Oh, you're certainly welcome to your opinion. Voting with your wallet is the best way. I just wanted to shed a bit of additional light, as calling this beta/alpha/half baked is pretty extreme considering it's not some bug ridden experience. I'm glad you find other products that you feel provide you more value for money. On this side, these guys work hard, and we intend to keep them around rather than watch a continual exodus to MSFS. The market is not sustainable at lower prices for the amount of work these guys do (like 5 years on this one product). If you don't wish to support that hard work, that's definitely your prerogative.

[@Q8Pilot]

@@PilotLHI wholeheartedly agree with you. Exceptional work by Torquesim nonetheless.

[@PilotLH]

@ I would also admit that ‘half-baked’ is a little extreme.. Id say it’s closer to 90% baked and for the majority its perfectly fine but I’m very picky and would rather wait for the upcoming features to come to fully enjoy the product. One of the products I’m referring to is the X-Crafts EJets which I had a similar opinion on when they were released without a handful of essential features. They are now one of my favourite to fly after I waited for the updates and got to experience the products in their intended form. As someone currently developing an X-Plane addon myself, I can definitely appreciate the time and work that goes into the products which is why I’m not opposed for paying top dollar for a high fidelity and complete product as I did with the Challenger 650, all X-Craft planes and the all the planes from Toliss as well as many others.

[@richa-cool]

Ty for the review! Gulfstream g650 by AKD when?

[@Q8Pilot]

Probably this Saturday

[@richa-cool]

@Q8Pilot alrighty tysmm!!!

[@simmooz3528]

Whilst I do understand xp is a smaller user base this is a bit overpriced. I’m glad people are developing quality aircraft for xplane.

[@donaldholman9070]

I agree with you.

[@FSXXtreme]

Q8 you should try lossless scaling 😃. BTW I prefer xplane 12 skies, I think the rendition is much better than Asobos.

[@diegoblancogiusti2389]

hello. after installing rhe 525 i got an error saying " one or more issues were found with this sound bank" and the airplane loads sin without landing gear and inoperative switches. help

[@FlyingFrankFan]

Not activated. Open the X-Aviation plugin in the main menu.

[@diegoblancogiusti2389]

@ I did. It says that it is activated

[@toddjbradshaw]

@@diegoblancogiusti2389 I had the same problem. You may reference the X-Pilot forums for more detail. but for me it turned out to be Windows Defender blocking a plug-in within the plane. Check your whitelist and make sure everything is allowed. The main citation plugin (cj_systems.xpl). Hope this helps and good luck.

[@Aleksandar6ix]

Go Q1! An interesting comparison to make would be with the AirSim3D C560XL. Arguably just as high definition if not more so, but at a more accessible price point? Please consider it!

[@Q8Pilot]

The AirSim3D is not a match for this Citation in my view. This one is much more polished and in depth. The philosophy of the AirSim3D is flawed and follows a scripted sequence which makes the experience highly unrealistic. The TorqueSim Citation is truly an amazing rendition but the price is just way too high. The AirSin3D is overpriced as well, it should be in the 30s range and TorqueSim in the 60s. Unfortunately both developers have to settle for the distributor final say on price as they get a cut from the sales and that just takes the price to unacceptable limits.

[@x-aviation]

@@Q8Pilotfor the record, your assessment on how a final price is figured is not correct.

[@Q8Pilot]

@ That’s ok I can of course only speculate. The facts remain solid in light of my review and I would not have done or said anything differently if I had to do the review again today. Of course I will continue to monitor the updates report back to the community. Let this one rest my friend.

[@Q8Pilot]

@ That’s ok I can of course only speculate. The facts remain solid in light of my review and I would not have done or said anything differently if I had to do the review again today. Of course I will continue to monitor the updates report back to the community. Let this one rest my friend.

[@jankin880]

Intro: the no Rolling Stones

Happy to spend the 90 bucks, and Captain please don't bust the MSA (of 3000 ft and 4900 ft) while self vectoring onto the approach... and better to use the IAF

[@Q8Pilot]

I am happy with my purchase too, it’s 84.95 not 90 =) and thanks for the advice.

[@johanjacobs9240]

The X-Plane developers are the sole reason X-Plane has such a small user base. And I'm talking about the developers for X-Plane on the broad spectrum. If they ask for more competitive prices for their products more people will use X-Plane which is good for the sim and the developers in the long run. Right now X-Plane developers cater only for the hardcore die-hard X-Plane users and lock out the potential buyers with their asking prices. That excuse of "X-Plane is such a small nice market" doesn't sit with me. It is their own undoing.

[@CTde110]

Ouch landing

[@beatbrokers404]

Landing was fine

[@donaldholman9070]

I could see giving them 90 bucks but then you never know..xplane outdoors decide to go to version 13.. then this sweet lil plane no longer works??? You never know

[@Aleksandar6ix]

Of course it's overpriced. That is the one thing giving me a hard no to it.

[@pauljackson1359]

85 bucks, I'll have to pass.

[@nukenabber7228]

After 5 years of development I expected it to be 99% finished. They should price it as a Beta-version. About 60 USD.

[@Q8Pilot]

Not a beta for sure, but yes USD 65 or so would seem a fair price.

[@majoraviatior1611]

Even the free fbw aircraft have failures. This is extremely disappointing for 85

[@Q8Pilot]

You still have all the circuit breakers modeled so you can simulate any fault, but yes a failure and maintenance modules were things I expected at this price point.

[@x-aviation]

@@Q8Pilot Unfortunate you portrayed this in a light that causes some to use words like "half baked product" without further re-iterating your stance to the comment they make. These guys worked really hard, and such things are terrible for morale.

[@Q8Pilot]

@ I can’t control what people say or think but I can control what I say. I have conducted a fair and balanced review of the addon and given much praise to the excellent work done by TorqueSim. My remarks are completely constructive and objective. If folks use language that is not “correct” that’s is really their problem not mine. I stand by everything I have said and will continue to support you and TorqueSim every way possible. Thank you for taking the time to write.

[@x-aviation]

@@Q8Pilot The feedback loop is symbiotic. Their comments are based on yours. You did just respond to that person saying you "wholeheartedly agree" with their assessment of half-baked, so that doesn't just become "their problem."

[@majoraviatior1611]

@@x-aviation I think being honest is the best approach to a review video like this. He said what he honestly thought with no bias. Saying otherwise isn’t really what you want to do