QB collaboration episode with QB School JT O'Sullivan! | PFF NFL Show

PFF's Sam Monson and Steve Palazzolo are joined by QB School, JT O'Sullivan, to break down the 2024 QB draft class and pick his brain on his process.
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[@AtlantaJonny]

YES! JT and PFF are such a good match. This should be a monthly pod during the season.

[@c-los512]

Love JT's QB takes.

[@JoDonn]

Second this!

[@f18a]

JT is great, and a great complement for PFF.

[@ItsShiggy]

Pissed I missed this live! Good collabs recently guys.

[@RyanChandy]

jayden daniels gives roadrunner vibes is hilarious.

[@arsmor1end1]

Seems more like a fusion of Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote to me.

[@user-bk2ee2iu4i]

Number disagree completely with his Bo Nix take. Compared to the other 5 top QBs in this draft Nix was second in attempts on intermediate throws (10-19 yards) and first in yards - 62/91 with 1169 Yards, 16 TDs to 1 INT. Also had the highest completion percentage & adjusted completion percentage. He does rank second to last in Deep passing attempts, but only trails Jayden Daniels by 4 attempts. He has 142 attempts of 10+ yards, which ranks 3rd amongst the other 5 top QBs, trailing Penix and Maye. While he did have the most pass attempts behind the line of scrimmage, there still was plenty of tape showcasing his ability to make throws beyond the sticks, and according to PFF's grading system he was highest graded thrower from 10-19 yards compare to the other top QBs. Here is his depth splits compared to Justin Herbert in 2018 and another overlooked prospect Brock Purdy in 2021: JH Behind LOS: 65/71, 611 yards, 4 TD, 0 INT, 0 Big Time Throws, 1 Turnover Worthy Plays (69.8 PFF Grade) 0-9 Yards: 108/152, 892 yards, 6 TD, 1 INT, 0 BTT, 4 TWP (68.7 PFF Grade) 10-19 Yards: 40/82, 702 yards, 6TD, 5 INT, 2 BTT, 6 TWP (73.0 PFF Grade) 20+ Yards: 28/77, 942 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT, 27 BTT, 4 TWP (93.4 PFF Grade) 10+ Yards: 68/159, 1644 yards, 19 TD, 7 INT, 29 BTT, 10 TWP BN Behind LOS: 126/131, 903 yards, 8 TD, 0 INT, 0 BTT, 0 TWP (77.5 PFF Grade) 0-9 Yards: 147/181, 1383 yards, 8 TD, 0 INT, 0 BTT, 1 TWP (76.9 PFF Grade) 10-19 Yards: 62/91, 1169 yards, 16TD, 1 INT, 3 BTT, 1 TWP (94.7 PFF Grade) 20+ Yards: 26/51, 999 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT, 17 BTT, 3 TWP (95.5 PFF Grade) 10+ Yards: 88/142, 2168 yards, 29 TD, 3 INT, 20 BTT, 4 TWP BP Behind LOS: 72/76, 411 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 0 BTT, 0 TWP (73.4 PFF Grade) 0-9 Yards: 144/175, 1230 yards, 3 TD, 5 INT, 0 BTT, 4 TWP (68.8 PFF Grade) 10-19 Yards: 61/93, 1092 yards, 11 TD, 1 INT, 4 BTT, 1 TWP (92.3 PFF Grade) 20+ Yards: 15/37, 467 yards, 3 TD, 2 INT, 7 BTT, 3 TWP (83.1 PFF Grade) 10+ Yards: 76/130, 1559 yards, 14 TD, 3 INT, 11 BTT, 4 TWP Bo Nix also had a considerable lead in PFF passing grade while under pressure. BN: 91.2 (67.2 COM% & 1 TWP) JJ: 72.9 (63.4 COM% & 8 TWP) MP: 65.3 (41.8 COM% & 7 TWP) JD: 63.0 (50.0 COM% & 3 TWP) DM: 61.3 (43.3 COM% & 6 TWP) CW: 41.4 (47.1 COM% & 16 TWP) And he took the lowest percentage of sacks. BN: 6.3 Pressure to Sack Percentage MP: 7.6 P2S% JJ: 16.8 P2S% DM: 18.8 P2S% JD: 20.2 P2S% CW: 21.9 P2S% It's interesting seeing Bo Nix being talked about as the guy that we haven't seen enough of in passing beyond the sticks when you look at the attempts beyond 10 yards for the top QBs: MP: 230 DM: 173 BN: 142 CW: 140 JJ: 134 JD: 126

[@matt_valentine]

Phenomenal pod! I love this collab so much.

[@user-uz2rx6dc7l]

The problem with rankings pre draft is that you can only evaluate on talent, mechanics, and off field things you hear. Once the draft occurs, those pre draft ranking should be tossed out because there are so many factors that go in to determining failure/success and there is no way that you can predict those (coaching changes, personal life issue that pops up,...etc. It sucks, that you guys are going to be held to that pre draft rank.

[@tonydeese2607]

Jt let’s gooooo

[@EntangledTimeline]

Good talk with JT. A possible Joe Thomas talk about o-line before the draft?

[@geraldtn3175]

When i read you msg i realized i havent seen that guy on tv in a while! Where has he been? He's great

[@PickpocketJones]

Maye is so massively far ahead of where Daniels was at the same age and number of starts, just feels weird this is never brought up by all these guys. It's not like he had talent around him. Daniels after the same amount of starts had like 35 fewer touchdowns and 2600 less yards with fewer rushing yards and rushing TD too. Like it's not remotely close. Imagine Maye with 24 more games, 2 years of maturity, and an all time great WR room and what his production would look like....teams aren't drafting for who is the best on Sept 1 2024.

[@vitigaymer1053]

Exactly! Jayden, Nix and Penix were gutter trash at the same point Maye and Caleb are now. They all should have already been in the League

[@chiefw3573]

Improvement isn’t linear, Maye may get better than Daniels and he may not. Currently Daniels is far better than him.

[@XenQ7]

Love these episodes. good work lads

[@brianduffner5772]

Darwin Nunez name dropped 🙌

[@TheJalinmyles]

The chaos king 🥰

[@haydenfisher3095]

Bro catching strays

[@ChiLouis69]

Yes. The way Caleb carries that ball is going to get him in trouble. He has got to clean that up

[@alfonsomartinez8195]

Awesome!

[@blowfishes]

Genuinely starting to feel that the Vikings will only trade up for Maye. They may consider McCarthy if available at #11, but I think KOC likes the natural nature for deep accuracy of Penix Jr. and believes he can coach his apparent struggles over the middle. I’m sure the Vikings would love to get Maye, but if not they hope the Raiders jump over them to get McCarthy. The Vikings can then perhaps slide back a few spots from #11 to add value to selecting Penix Jr. and they can then hopefully get IDL help at #23.

[@RB-.-]

Insanely risky. Not enough people are talking about the Vikings being in a rough spot. They have basically admitted that they like Daniels, Maye & JJ enough to take them. Because they’re not getting above 4th.

[@matthewmatt5285]

McCarthy WON'T be there at #11~

[@vortexvulture7997]

Scream!😊

[@lildyl3463]

Steve got autotune lol

[@betweenthepylons5506]

JT says all the same things about Maye Simms does in a mote measured and politically correct way

[@jonathangeddes9786]

3rd person, no oscillating camera, watchable

[@joebrown8379]

Man JT sure is a little stiff haha he didn't really give that much. But regardless he knows his stuff and was an interesting albeit monotone listen. Steve and Sam did great with him

[@jordanxwilliams]

I’m glad JT said it, bc it matters more then any of the “traits” is where you go. All these elite Qbs have great minds at OC, when they say they missed on Herbert and Allen. Look at their best years, Herbert with Steichen, Allen with Daboll, both coaches now. Mac jones is the walking example of this, you gave him McDaniels and he looked decent, took that away and gave him dcoordinators and we wonder why he failed. We never have to wonder about Mahomes bc Reid ain’t going nowhere. I’m a Washington fan, am I too think if a guy like Purdy came here, he still be Purdy ?? With Scott Turner calling plays ? Like when do we acknowledge it has a lot more to do with who’s calling the plays, especially in those early year then the traits. Same way baker has been able to come on with great coaching, Jalen hurts don’t look the same without Steichen

[@JoDonn]

NFL Ownership needs to start paying creative/great OC’s close to head coach money when they land one. They are priceless.

[@jordanxwilliams]

@@JoDonn love that

[@choosecarefully408]

@@JoDonn Ah. Okay this'll be long, but it's within what you just said. We The Fans want owners to have winning as a priority. Here's the problems: NFL team owners are _business owners_ who don't know what makes a good or winning coach. You know what team owners do when forced to deal with things they don't fully understand? The same thing all humans do under those circumstances: pretend that they do or mentally shift things around to things they do. The reason Bisacchia got shoved out for Josh McD wasn't because he was a Good Coach: Davis doesn't know how to assess coaches or players. So he regards players as employees & coaches as that stratosphere of elevated employees who side with ownership, supervisors. Owners seek *tyrannical* supervisors. This is why player-friendly coaches are WAY more common in college. They have to get results to keep their job. In the NFL you have to appear like someone who suppresses the employees so player-friendly coaches actually are perceived as "wrong" to them. Good coaches are only hired by accident by NFL team owners. How many examples do you want? Mike McCarthy is the current most obvious example. His play-calling turns to sewage _EVERY time_ he gets stressed. Not sometimes. Jerry Jones doesn't care. "He makes the players enact His Schemes even the bad ones? He's a _BOSS!!"_ is all Jerry is gonna see. Sorry. It's not a pleasant truth. But look around. How many really good coaches are there in the NFL, how many in college? Almost every college coach wants to earn more $ in the NFL & would take the jobs. But NFL team owners don't have a clue what makes a good, winning coach. So they go for the inept tyrant by default.

[@charles-antoinelafond4655]

Mac Jones looked decent half a season games his rookie year. Mostly against the worst teams in the league. He would suck with any OC

[@A.j.Harris]

Ryan Reynolds?

[@ericf1966]

I believe Mahomes threw 14 INT's this season in 16 games, and Williams threw 5 INT's in 12 games. Why is it Sam thinks Mahomes had the perfect season, and Williams made so many "big mistakes" this season? If you want to criticize Williams' sack or fumbles, that seems legitimate, he probably needs to improve there. I'm not sure Chicago's offensive line is big upgrade over USC's, so those issue may persist if he doesn't do something different.

[@joseph4332]

fumbles probably

[@drbenway4]

Chicago's line is better than most give it credit for. There were injuries, however all one has to do is compare the games Bagent played vs Fields. Ball came out quickly and decisively and oh wow, what do you know the line looked a million times more effective. As alluded to Fields would hold the ball in excess and follow up with poor decisions. He could occasionally make spectacular play to elude rushers, but if he had gotten the ball out quickly and decisively he wouldn't have had to.

[@tonyk7387]

You are correct. You aren't sure. Bc their line is way better than USC relative to the NFL. Educate yourself a bit more, man. The Bears o-line is actually solid. Justin Fields just made them look so much worse then they actually are. When Justin was injured and Tyson bagent played, he had one of the lowest sack rates in the league. Justin is just historically bad at taking sacks. And Caleb holding the ball is not the same thing. Hes able to maneuver in the pocket to keep the play alive looking for the big play bc the defense was so bad that the pressure to score points on every drive. Justin quite literally didn't see open receivers, even when they were in the lane he was looking at, which makes you think that he simply couldn't pull the trigger bc of something mentally. The bears offense will improve massively this year. Many don't wanna admit it but Justin was not a good QB. His lack of timing and rhythm stalled so many drives.

[@drbenway4]

Hey Sam, Caleb threw 5 interceptions all year. And 3 were against Notre Dame. Yes, there were some fumbles, but you pushing a false narrative. J.T. essentially said that, but nicely 😅

[@555calex]

A problem with the hit rate at quarterbacks coming into the league is not that their bad players but the team drafting don't have the support staff to develop them. For example: Jets, Raiders, Bears, Browns are the most famous that I can think of at the moment. I guess we might add the Panthers but this is about not having a good offensive team/scheme and also just trading away their #1 receiver to the Bears the same year of getting a young qb.

[@zacherycampbell7296]

Glad JT is giving real insight now and not just calling people racist for being low on Fields!

[@drewwilson6639]

He really said that? I hope you're exaggerating

[@zacherycampbell7296]

@@drewwilson6639 not at all. You can watch his old videos… he said there were “other reasons” that scouts had Mac jones over fields.

[@drewwilson6639]

@zacherycampbell7296 that's disappointing. anyone who disagrees with you is rayycissttt according to half the country now

[@RB-.-]

JT is a tool & always focusing on the wrong things.

[@tsukongyomiyang715]

You can evaluate QBs by not having shit teams draft them and setting them up for failure. Have Mahomes Drafted by Chicago and he'd turn out to be like Trubisky reguardless of the talent he had in College.

[@aas11563]

I like JT but he needs to lighten up a bit. He takes everything so seriously and it seems like sometimes misunderstands the intent of questions he’s asked.

[@drewwilson6639]

he's a little too in love with himself for my taste. He seems to know what he's talking about, though

[@RB-.-]

He’s really only interested in mechanics. Doesn’t care about teams, players, the league or fit. Just looks at every player like a robot.

[@aas11563]

@@RB-.- Which is fine, but he doesn’t need to be so uptight about it

[@FlexileTheWolf]

I have been waiting for this collab. PFF I'm a little disappointed your not going to rank certain positions like LB on a podcast. Seems pretty lazy no FA to cover, combine is over, and draft hasn't happened yet. I honestly can't believe you guys aren't doing all positions. I could be wrong just my opinion

[@M015T_]

Neither Sam nor Steve are the lead draft analyst tho, they have other duties and don't grind as much tape as others. If you want PFF LB rankings Trevor Sikkema has his for every position

[@FlexileTheWolf]

@@M015T_ I agree with you 100% and the one point I wanted to add they said they could do other positions they just don't want to on the podcast itself. They don't even do the rankings they do like 5 players it just seemed very lazy to me. My friends and I could talk about these players off the top of my head.

[@M015T_]

They only have 3 shows a week and need to fit in mocks/interviews, they need to make cuts somewhere and to be honest idk how many people are gonna miss LB rankings

[@FlexileTheWolf]

@@M015T_ Your right they should only do QB and RB. They couldn't even combine them into one show of LB/ Safety/CB. Each episode is such high quality content with no wasted time or fluff they can't squeeze it in. They can talk about Steve's hieght or rugby for 30 minutes but can't squeeze it in. Even they they said on air they should/ could do it but they don't want to

[@M015T_]

Personally, I would much rather watch them just bullshit for an hour than try to rush through a positional ranking show they throw to together last minute. I come here for the nonsensical tangents, Steve's dry humor, and Sam's unwavering Irish pessimism. When it comes to hardcore tape grinding and draft analysis I always rely on channels like the NFL Stock Exchange and That Franchise Guy, to name a few

[@matthewmatt5285]

Crappy Teams are 95% of the time Qb starved so it's ALWAYS going to be like this,.

[@KalThuemler]

Rattler sounds like a packer type of QB hope he falls to the 4th round

[@Biz613]

McCarthy will be a bust. He’s QB6 in this draft.

[@TheGuitarded1]

Most overhyped and overrated QB draft class since 2021.

[@pcov7692]

How would you know that when they haven't even played one NFL snap yet? Smh.

[@drbenway4]

2020 was good. 5 quality QBs.

[@ref233]

@@pcov7692over 40% of 1st round QBs fail. So if 5 (Williams, Maye, Daniels, JJ, Penix or Nix) are drafted in the 1st round, at least 2 of those 5 will be busts.

[@pcov7692]

@@ref233 that's irrelevant until they actually get a chance to get drafted and play. We can't declare what this group will be before they even get started. That's common sense.

[@ddsea98]

JT is better than PFF

[@andrewsorrells4816]

this guy is obnoxious.