Quads in Ladies' Skating

A history of the women who have attempted quads in figure skating, featuring competitive and practice footage. UPDATE: Kamila Valieva (4T), Alysa Liu (4Lz), and Anna Shcherbakova (4Lz) have now officially completed ratified quads in international competition.
Skaters:
Surya Bonaly
Sasha Cohen
Miki Ando
Alexandra Trusova
Anna Scherbakova
Elizabet Tursynbaeva
Alysa Liu
Sofia Akatieva
Kamila Valieva
Alena Kanysheva
Rika Kihira
Young You
Elizaveta Berestovskaya
Mao Asada
Anastasia Tarakanova
(doesn't include practice quads in harness)

[@Yuzutea]

2019/2020 Season Update (Kamila Valieva, Anna Shcherbakova, Alysa Liu, and more): kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKLHqJ-wmLJmb8U

[@birdtiredoflife5360]

Gotta give Trusova praise here. She still has the best quads in ladies right now. Her salchow and toe loop are great quads. Hopefully she can make the lutz and flip more clean so she can get better GOE's on them but honestly, her salchow and toe loop are it for me, they are great! Even in combos! Hopefully as she grows and becomes a senior she can stay healthy cause I'd hate to see her lose those quads and worse, get injured trying to get them back or get injured trying too much. I just wish her nothing but good health and skating

[@Helen-me1vn]

I didn't think the sal was great - she always struggled to land and rotate it because she can't seem to get the height and rotation speed. But her 4T is the best in ladies, it's also the biggest jump in ladies by a large margin, especially since Tsurskaya has retired.

[@snowangel7980]

I agree. I think they’ll probably reassess Tursynbaeva’s quad next season because it’s basically a full turn of prerotation and Trusova will get the first ratified quad in seniors. I really want to see kostornaia get quads... that one video of when she temporarily had a 3A was gorgeous and she already has amazing artistry so she’d be probably more unbeatable than trusova

[@seikakurumiwari]

Tweet Tweet I gotta give it to Trusova for at least landing a clean 4T! Her Lutz has the best edge of the quad ladies jumper but its still UR and significantly prerotated. She should give up on her 4S as she kept falling on it during competitions and her attempt at 5 quads during the RusNats were disastrous and I don’t know what will happen to her in the future... she is a fighter though. I am worried because Lilbet already severely damaged her back from all these quad trainings at 19

[@Ariantez]

If she was skating in the current day, with modern coaching and technical knowledge, I think Bonaly could have landed rotated quads.

[@thecassiebee]

Ariantez If she actually improved her horrid skating skills maybe.

[@denalihedgehog]

Yeah, she probably would be the French Trusova, I guess. Extremely talented skater, powerful technique, but somehow lacks artistry

[@Ariantez]

@@thecassiebee Skating skills aren't entirely necessary for big jumps. Just look at Zhou.

[@thecassiebee]

Ariantez Zhou is still developing and changing. Suyra never wanted to change, she thought her skating was perfect as is. And yes she may be a Trusova now with underrotated quads.

[@Ariantez]

@@thecassiebee Zhou is working on his components sure but as far as we know he thinks his UR, PR quads are perfect too.

[@gunaymuradova4633]

These will never stop giving me anxiety

[@Jumblebelle]

same. When they fall on quads they fall SO HARD

[@alexgerdt2278]

close your eyes

[@purpledawn2727]

I love how Bonaly's happiness caused her to fall😂 such a precious moment. I also find it a bit weird that this machine of a woman can land a one legged backflip, but struggle with quads. I know they are different things, but she can do frickin backflips! Yeah, Bonaly is awesome.

[@hellstoastt]

quads are WAY WAY harder than backflips..

[@yayodap695]

@@hellstoastt uhh no 👎quads aren't harder than 1 legged backflips on ice skates ⛸ ...and she can do both

[@Lily-di6hm]

@@yayodap695 quads are absolutely harder

[@yayodap695]

@@hellstoastt can you do a backflip on ice 🧊 🤔 landing on 1 skate no you can't that move was so impossible to do they banned it in females because that black girl was the only girl to ever be able to pull it off...can you do a triple axel if you are good you probably can..then explain to me why so many girls are doing triples and quads but not backflips.on 1 leg ...I'll wait ...because backflips on hard ice on 1 skates ⛸ is way harder and more dangerous than a quad ....i know your bias for Russia and against the other girl but tell the truth..and the other girl can literally do both moves quads and backflips ....this is not gymnastics where the girls have been practicing backflips on bouncy mats for years this is hard ice where even skating backwards without falling is hard 😅

[@hellstoastt]

@@yayodap695 the reason they aren't doing backflips is because they don't have a reason to. nathan chen learned a backflip in like a day for a show. anyways, why are you so defensive about it?

[@Rogerioapsandrade]

It is so fast that I cant even count the number of spins.

[@pjohnson179]

You can slow down the playback speed in "settings" (cog wheel, bottom right of screen). Click on "settings" and then click on Playback Speed. 0.25 is the slowest playback speed.

[@hnyyzu3941]

P Johnson no shit sherlock

[@ninatian2372]

I will be very sad if my quad queen Rapunzel Sasha Trusova loses her quad. I believe in her going down in the history of the sport.

[@Yuzutea]

I have some doubts about her 4Lz and 4S but her 4T is really great and seems pretty sustainable since she gets incredible height and doesn't rely as much on quick rotation.

[@denalihedgehog]

I guess we'll see many quads the next Olympics, since Sasha, Anna, Kamilla, Alysa and Rika might be there

[@EvgeniyaJZ]

Her mom has a skinny, non-curvy figure, meaning genetics is on her side. Truly hope her body doesn't change much with puberty...then she will beat everyone else in Beijing.

[@alexgerdt2278]

@@spicy_kitty7983 Tuktamysheva now has a gorgeous 4T, and she is 22

[@КонстантинКубань-й1о]

@@alexgerdt2278 она даже 4S пока не прыгает на соревнованиях. Хотя безусловно она - молодец , что не останавливается в развитии.

[@kadovax6567]

Thank you for your hard work. I did not know Surya Bonaly was the first lady to attempt quads, but I'm not surprised as she had strong triples.

[@anneramones2923]

Sasha Trusova is a quad queen but I’m sad about the fact the coaches focused only on jumps, they sacrificed all artistry and movement, I hope she really lands these quads at worlds/ olys bc other than that I feel like she hasn’t anything to offer ( not her fault)... Kostornaia, Shcherbakova, Valieva all have great artistry ...

[@overgrownkudzu]

yeah, that's why Kostornaia wins all the time with no quads, if Trusova were to execute all her jumps perfectly she'd take it but she can't because it's risky

[@vorenus13300]

Did you know that it is actually Sasha’s choice and not Eteri’s ?? When Sasha first ask to learn quads Eteri refused saying it was too much especially when the little one had troubles with the triple axel. But Sasha kept asking until her coach agreed. And now even today it is Sasha who begged for the five quads because that’s what she wants to do. She is even fighting to have the right to perform quads in the SP because women are not allowed to do so. This girl is a jumper

[@aanniieelooveesyoouu]

alysa's technique is not sustainable and i am extremely worried for her physical health, especially as she begins to grow

[@feederbureauofinvestigatio7648]

Concerned for Alysa, how about Anna, she twists her body so much

[@PtolemyXVII]

Alysa skates like Sacha Cohen! Technically driven but lacks Yuna Kim's artistry.

[@aanniieelooveesyoouu]

Winter Soldier i'm also extremely concerned for anna considering that she is so small right now and as soon as she grows or her body changes even a little, she will not be able to rotate those quads anymore, and her technique is very muscled and forced. but alysa worries me equally as much considering she has already had surgery on her hip and she has atrocious technique on all her jumps that forces her to depend on her small size for quick rotation. she too, will have a difficult time rotating and landing jumps as soon as her body changes even a little.

[@flankerpraha]

@@PtolemyXVII Alysa is 13, I doubt Yuna was on her top level of artistry you may remember when she was 13.

[@PtolemyXVII]

@@flankerpraha Alysa looks like Yuna, but skates like Sasha lol. She is adorable, the perfect genetically cloned US figure skating athlete to win gold medals. I hope she will develop her own style away from Yuna and Sasha though. Artistically she can improve quite a bit, but she is only 13. I think she will get lovelier as she grows a bit into her role. Right now, her jumps look awkward and her style is quite clumsy.

[@lsrasr158]

If Midori Ito were in her prime in 2019, she would be landing real quads, not the under-rotated ones many of the ladies in the video are landing. Midori was the greatest technical power skater ever in ladies skating. No lady, including Tonya, can touch Midori's triple axel. In Midori's time (late 80's early 90's) the triple axel was the ultimate in ladies skating, there was no need for her to attempt quads. Today, quads have become the norm in men's skating, so the ladies are looking to push forward to quads. Midori rivaled the men in her day in jumping ability so you know she would be attempting and landing quads today.

[@v.morawska6764]

lsr asr Well said. She indeed was such a powerhouse and given an amazing jumping technique she had she would have been untouchable under the current scoring system. What’s even more interesting, speaking of quads, she used to practise them at trainings a number of times- unfortunately I’ve never found a footage of that.

[@rosie94204]

Yes she fantastic. One of my all time favourite skaters. Exciting dynamic.

[@lsrasr158]

@@v.morawska6764 thank you for your excellent comments. I remember seeing a video interview of Midori with english subtitles where she was talking about the 1988 calgary olympics. Video was probably done in 2008 or so. Midori said that she did 5 different triples in her LP where Katarina did two and Katarina won gold and Midori came 5th. Midori said she decided at that point she had to introduce a triple axel into her skating to win at the international level. She said she had attempted the 3A and even quads at 14 but had fractured her ankle so her coach Machiko Yamada forbid her from trying them. I also saw a posting somewhere from hennagaijin100 who said he has known Midori for 30 years or so. He said that her practice sessions at the Nagoya Sports Center were legendary. He stated he had videos of those practices and one day he would post them on you tube. I have not seen them but they may contain videos of her landing quads.

[@lsrasr158]

@@rosie94204 well stated. there is no one like her then and now.

[@cmat4106]

Someone did an airtime analysis of women's jumps to determine who had the highest jumps...and indeed Midori was beyond any women skater ever.

[@michaelmuller6412]

3 years later Trusova is still landing quads like it´s nothing. Landed last season two times 5 quads. Test Skate and yes she did it on the biggest stage ever. She landed 5 quads on Olympic Ice. A record for the for eternity. I do not think that we will see this again from a WOmen at Olympia. Maybe Trusova will do it again 2026 in italy.

[@doraziyanchen]

Trusova is incredible!! I'm a huge Medvedeva fan but gotta give props to Trusova fr

[@CNCiel]

Underrotated or not, landing a quad is a superpower, like I swear it seems so unreal in a fantastic way and it'a amazing that skaters able to do such a thing at all, let alone on ice!

[@annecohen8927]

I’m going to have to say it but most of the time, Sasha Trusova’s quad are clean. Some of them weren’t.. But unlike others she worked tremendously hard on improving them.

[@mariafernandapereira8853]

I like sasha's 4T they should just keep this one in her programs instead of pushing her to those bad and dangerous 4Lutzes at such young age she don't even need that to win

[@harhar781]

sasha wants to do the hard quads lol read her interviews

[@esenkiratli534]

harhar781 well, as a coach Eteri should not let her in such a young age..

[@harhar781]

@@esenkiratli534 why not? There are skaters younger than Sasha doing quads. It's probably safer for the coaches to let them do it in a controlled environment rather than them doing it on their own and hurting themselves

[@benbailey159bb]

@@harhar781 not with the technique, or lack thereof, that she uses in her Lz. I'm amazed she hasn't broken her ankle yet

[@esenkiratli534]

harhar781 while it’s true they let them practice at least in a safe environment she should never have let her use her imperfect triple lutz technique to raise even higher to a quad. she is very suscptible to a serious injury with such wrong technique and such a young body.

[@JulianneAniceto]

these quads scare me...as much as they’re the “thing” to do in order to gain a lot of points, a lot of these quads are done by younger skaters who are developing still/don’t have correct technique. i really hope it doesn’t hurt these girls, they’re our future of figure skating. also has any female skater done a 4L attempt yet?

[@amyprice5675]

I'm pretty sure that they have correct technique I mean they wouldn't let them into the Olympics if they didn't yes they are still young but they have amazing technique meaning that they can go to the world championships and Olympics at such young ages.

[@Chile-qr3dn]

As of current there hasnt been any videos of ladies attempting quad loops but some might have in practice or with a harness

[@JulianneAniceto]

Chile alright thank you! it’s really sad how all the juniors are just skipping right to quad lutzes (for points) when their technique isn’t good (pre rotation, full blade, incorrect edge)

[@b_nadams]

I heard it’s too difficult to hide behind poor technique and you cannot cheat the entry of a 4Lo like you can with a 4Lz/4F. Shame that it’s worth less points so we’re not going to be seeing any 4Lo, only ‘4Floopz’

[@Chile-qr3dn]

@@b_nadams yes 4Los are harder to cheat at but they're also harder to get height on and speed out of, I really think 4Los are so much harder than the other quad jumps

[@ТатьянаГречишкина-х4д]

Quad lutz+triple loop! CRAZY

[@РогожинаАлександра-з1ч]

But first woman, which did triple lutz+triple loop is Alexandra Trusova.

[@kanon240]

sasha also did it before JGPF18 it's on her insta!

[@fsmilka8021]

But Anna has also done 4Lutz+3Loop in practice. This is crazy

[@alexivins33]

Has any male figure skaters landed Quad Lutz + Triple Loop in competition before or attempted ?

[@alexanderbakulin8836]

@@alexivins33 no one have ever attempted this combo in competition. but in practices some male skaters were doing it. i saw vincent zhou and daniel grassl landing this combo on their instagrams. but i think if sasha or anna will land 4Lz+3Lo in competition, it's actually will be the first time in history, when the lady will perform a jumping element ahead of men.

[@XenonFae]

After the latest JGP event, it’s time to add Kamila Valieva to the Ladies Quad Club!

[@carolinev5426]

I admire these athletes, really. But I'll never be a quad's fan. It seems that, to me, many skaters entered an endless and senseless race. I much rather prefer a program with just one quad (or just triples) but each jump perfectly clean and with a lot of artistry (including beautiful transitions, sense of music, creativity...) than an avalanche of quads.

[@alexgerdt2278]

😴😴😴

[@windchijmes893]

Then judging will become too subjective. How do you standardise judging when it comes to creativity and self-expression? What is considered innovate and beautiful to you may be a bore to others. Besides, this is a sport - you want to push the boundaries of your physicality. Note that I'm not advocating risk of injury to an athlete, just saying that competitive skaters are not in a "senseless race". Official recognition of sporting achievement and ability is a very real motivating factor. Otherwise, they may as well just be performers.

[@carolinev5426]

@@windchijmes893 I get your point but you misunderstood me : I don't say they shouldn't do quads, I said too many quads is not my thing. But I admire the skaters who can achieve them.

[@Nunelii]

@@carolinev5426 That's the definition of a competition... you compete in order to win, not please the public according to each ones preferences. Some people prefer quads...

[@carolinev5426]

@@Nunelii I know, thank you. I was just giving my opinion.

[@Yuzutea]

Kamila Valieva has now become the 3rd woman to land a quad (cleanly) in international competition! Check out her clean Quad Toe in her free skate at JGP Courchevel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWmZYWqCnbd1g6M&ab_channel=ISUJuniorGrandPrix Update: Alysa Liu has now also joined the ratified quad club with her quad lutz at JGP Lake Placid! Do you guys think it was clean? kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2G5iYmana-Zq68&ab_channel=ISUJuniorGrandPrix

[@cvcfoundation8413]

Not really that was a 3.25 toe loop. If you watch slow motion, she turns 3/4 at the start of the jump. No wonder comments were disabled.

[@Yuzutea]

​@@cvcfoundation8413 Kamila's prerotation was within an acceptable range for a toe loop in my opinion- slightly less than a 1/2 turn. Her toe pick technique could definitely be cleaner but the prerotation isn't an issue. Also, the JGP channel disabled comments for all of their youtube videos (probably due to people harassing the children in the videos, so I think it was a good idea)

[@იანადოლიძე]

Sasha Trusova's quads are the best. I really respect Miki Ando, but none of her quad Sals were fully rotated (even worse - it's

[@natsul3319]

There was a video of Alysa Liu attempting a 4Lz in practice and it was fully rotated. I think it's still up on Instagram. At the Broadmoor Open competition, she landed a total of 6 4Lz's and fell on 1 for a total of 7 4Lz attempts. Regardless of what WE as fans think, it's still AMAZING to see all these prodigies attempting and landing quads. Best of luck to EVERYONE and of course, let us hope that they stay healthy. Cannot wait to see Trusova, Kamila, and Alysa this season.

[@stressmuffin]

I didn’t remember Sasha trying quad jumps in her competitive career. I didn’t know that she nailed a few quad jumps in practice. I’m not surprised that Surya would attempt quad jumps, because she was a fierce competitive person back in the day. BTW…. I miss skaters in the ‘90’s-early 2000’s, and Surya & Sasha were among many of my fave skaters to watch. I wish them luck & happiness in their lives.

[@cupid3890]

Knees: aight imma head out

[@alinaromanovskaya]

Anna Shcherbakova has also landed 4F in practice :)

[@lepmim1046]

Elizaveta Tuktamysheva also did one in practice when she was 12 y.o. I guess it was underrotated though

[@prettyreckless1752]

And now she's successfully landed them in practice! She's a fighter and an inspiration :)

[@benbailey159bb]

All the "quad Lutzs" are zloops. Forward blade take-off so not a toe jump. A Lutz is meant to be in the air by 1/4 whereas they are in the air at 5/8. It's disgusting that the ISU hasn't done something about it

[@thecassiebee]

I came here to say this.

[@feederbureauofinvestigatio7648]

FLooptz. Disgusting. Eteri ought to be sued. Even Alysa prerotates

[@laihiuvivian]

I see only Trusova having the potential to land sustainable and qualified 4Lutz (outside edge + good height of jump), if she could work on her prerotation issue.

[@adelalee8525]

it’s not like you can do a quad lutz anyway lmaoooo

[@feederbureauofinvestigatio7648]

@@adelalee8525 You are really dumb. The majority of the world can't do 4Lz, and these aren't even Lz. So saying someone else can't do it there fore can't comment on it is completely idiotic. Alexandra trusova and scherbakova aren't doing lutz. They are doing 3.4flooptzs

[@emilyfors6973]

Midori Ito’s jumps were so huge I think she could have landed quads easily if she was skating today

[@jessesmith-garcia5313]

I was unaware that so many ladies have attempted and landed the quad in competition, amazing!

[@nungnung]

I think it's sweet that you showed those that have landed some in practice and those that are in training nearly there 😍

[@rop888]

Young You's 4lz is pretty great! Rika is going to be a monster if she can get those quads down.

[@il654]

paradoxical i agree with the rika part. not the young you part

[@esenkiratli534]

I absolutely hate the fact ISU does not do anything for these flutzs. clearly a full blade take off in a toe jump is seen in most of them which is not only the wrong technique but also will cause health problems for these young talented skaters under Eteri’s abuse/coaching. Yulia was a talented one who had to quit too soon too early for the damage and stress Eteri Tutberidze’s “coaching”. Sasha and Anna are both talented skaters with seemingly bright futures and I hope their carreers won’t meet an end similar to Yulia.

[@ebea211]

Alcy The Badass massively agree- Eteri has extremely dangerous methods

[@flankerpraha]

Another sour grapes idiots. People like you desperately repeat this ever and ever, yet there is nothing that would prove the point. E.g. number of injuries is not higher in teri's team when you compare the number of succesful skaters with other teams. You can live with your delusion but that won't change the reality.

[@birdtiredoflife5360]

@@flankerpraha Stop being immature. Why call somebody out for being rude and silly when you act the same way back? They said the truth and you did too. Both of you make very great points that are fuel for thought...stop being toxic and whiny in every comment I see you in. According to your fantasy, if some DARE has a different opinion on Eteri skaters that isnt the norm YOU show up. Freedom of speech. Different veiws and opinions in a large sport. You need to accept that instead of wasting your time replying to every anti Eteri comment in the world You arent helping anybody

[@Voobshe.poxerrr]

C'est la oiseau this isn’t a freedom of speech, this is a freedom of unproven wild guesses, which provoke and spread rumors and gossips. Stop being so immature, you’re not helping anybody

[@kadovax6567]

Yulia was already anorexic before going to Eteri. The club is huge and the girls are always competing against each other. Abd Alisa is not with Eteri.

[@flying372]

Alex trusova is my queen, so many years ive been waiting for a skater that is a combination of beauty,cuteness, might,technic ..all in one. Golden haired, blue eyed, athletic,pridefull ...thas all about her. She's the next legendary champion .

[@ЕрасылФайзуллаұлы]

Elizabeth, I'm proud of you🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿Алға Қазақстан 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿

[@kiodoiii8794]

Alyssa’s technique won’t last forever. That’s all I’ll say.

[@katelynblackiston3147]

Oh, yes please! I think people forget how recently some of the men's quads started.

[@yachuchuang3651]

Agree.

[@ilgimdehaaydn8154]

@@katelynblackiston3147 I don't know alot about figure skating, what's wrong with her technique?

[@skatergirl1247]

@@ilgimdehaaydn8154 Basically her jumps are just very small, and she rotates super fast, so people doubt she will maintain the fast rotation speed after puberty

[@mandm471]

I love Surya bonaly. I love them all but Surya is my all time fav.

[@juankoko2961]

Sasha Queen Quads 💯❤️❤️

[@malhalsey4994]

Satoko Miyahara has a similar body type to Sasha Cohen's; maybe she'll be going for quads soon? I hear she's working on triple Axels.

[@Dizz788]

Это ж Саша ❤️❤️❤️

[@ЛилиР-ш7х]

ТурбоСаша))

[@sorciere12]

Also Ekaterina Kurakova tried 4S+3T on practice

[@dfimbrez4079]

All these women performing quads is amazing 💗

[@tobiahsellias454]

do you mind doing men's first quads as well? ☺️

[@jeninarvaezmelo656]

Brooooo Sasha Trusova is like the Yuri Plisetsky. Attitude and prodigy rolled into one 😭 she's amazing for someone so young ALL THOSE QUADS AT 15

[@demetriromano565]

Jenni Annelieze Mellow Plisetsky is based on the real skater Yulia Lipnitskaya!

[@flying372]

@@demetriromano565 on elena radionova

[@yachuchuang3651]

@@flying372 Yulia Lipnitskaya

[@ludakapkina9308]

Great Trusova!

[@yosily]

i never knew about mao trying 4S. it’s odd how later on, 3S would become her nemesis...

[@letletcetera]

I'm definitely hoping for a updated video at the end of this season! Good job :)

[@jessesmith-garcia5313]

I take back everything bad I ever said about Miki Ando landing the quad, she is badass.

[@Catalina_Estevez]

Bien por ellas, pero SÓLO cuentan los hechos en competiciones oficiales (y sin caídas): . Surya Bonaly . Miki Ando . Alexandra Trusova . Anna Shcherbakova . Elizabet Tursynbaeva.

[@user-muzertru]

Surya Bonali fell

[@Catalina_Estevez]

@@user-muzertru Surya aterrizó con los 2 pies, look at the video.

[@МансурКаримов-ф2й]

Kamila Wälieva and Yasmina Qadıyrova jump quads in practice

[@foreveryeung52]

Trusova and Kihara look like they have solid technique and I think they could find a way to compete with quads into late adolescence; the way Liu and Scherbakova land make me worried for their future. At this rate, Liu is heading towards injury and Scherbakova will just add more to her list of injuries.

[@agnishwar3658]

Kihira isn't fully prepared with her quad yet, she still under-rotate frequently- but hopefully next season she might add it.

[@kadovax6567]

And Trusova only strong quad is the 4T. Her other quads have wrong techniques.

[@flying372]

Agree, alysa liu looks like she wants to jump quads at all cost neglecting all side effects

[@seikakurumiwari]

foreveryoung52 Trusova attempted 5 quads and ended up a disaster at nationals and I have no idea how will she survive her next injuries. She already took off her 4 Sal. Her 4T is her only actual true and solid quad she has done. Everything else is either underrotated/prerotated or have wrong technique. Anna’s 4Lz(Loop????) is horrible and should NEVER receive a GOE as close to Boyang Jin, best 4Lz jumper in history. Ever. Compare their jumps side by side and there’s a massive difference. Elizabet Tursynbaeva severely damaged her back for attempting even more quads.

[@sallylemon5835]

It's just like technology. Everything comes by time and generations, considering it needs study on techniques and tactics to make one thing happen. But athletes in past still gave stronger performance than today, just that athletes today are blessed with tons of researched and developed syllabus.

[@quca7024]

Sasha my queen

[@SkylineFSST]

Trusova has already done three Quads (4Lz, 4T+3T, 4T) on Nepela Memorial

[@zyoom8796]

I don’t understand why quads is so much harder for women? Is it something with their weight or strength?

[@КонстантинКубань-й1о]

Sasha Trusova is a Queen quad

[@НаталияКороль-ъ3у]

Finally an unbiased skating channel!! *Cough* koola king *cough* thanks for uploading great video you have a new subscriber!!❤️

[@kadovax6567]

KK stopped posting after the Rus Nat. Comments were becoming soft and unbiaised under her videos :)

[@birdtiredoflife5360]

I agree. Many of the commentors on Koolas videos were starting to become unbiased and obviously knew the rules of skating and knew for themselves what was textbook and what wasnt. They knew for themselves what was poorly rotated, untexbook and so on. Guess they stopped uploading because the commentors under the videos were doing better than them...

[@laihiuvivian]

Agree that his channel is very biased at first (most videos are ironic against Evgenia obviously), but he does spot out some technical issues of skaters and the judging system corruption which not many other channels dare to say at that period. As Evgenia joined the team of BO for reworking techniques he does post encouraging videos. KK is such an emotional channel host@@

[@галинапугачёва-у4г]

@@laihiuvivian How do you know KK is "he"?

[@НаталияКороль-ъ3у]

@@laihiuvivian I agree about pointing out the technicalities, but kk does it in such a snarky and nasty way it reminds me of a playground bully, especially when he makes those videos about the junior girls.

[@polinacats7541]

Как по мне в четверные Мики Андо просто перекрученные тройные

[@TarPalantir133]

Или очень сильно перекрученный двойной ))))

[@freevard5705]

Или невероятно сильно перекрученный ординарный🤣😂

[@kairatkappasov3404]

Или не докрученный пятерной

[@lambre5004]

@@kairatkappasov3404 сильно не докрученный шестярной

[@yohanes2034]

I support ladies doing quads because it will push the sport aspect from figure skating. But please do them correctly. Those quad "lutzes" are floopz with cheated take off. Sasha should just stick with quad toe and quad sal and I am still happy with that. Seeing those cheated quads getting full goe just deprive me from any excitement. I cannot enjoy the performance as much because it feels wrong (this applies as well with men, i.e. zhou aliev, etc.)

[@pavelolkhovoy113]

If 3Lz with PR 180 degrees is de facto acceptable then why 4Lz should be treated differently? Maybe the problem is not in quads at all?

[@yohanes2034]

@@pavelolkhovoy113 I know that prerotations also happened in triple jumps. I guess because everyone now competes with 3 jumps, the prerotation problem really does not impact scoring that much. But quad is a different beast, it has higher base value (almost twice than its respectice triple) so when someone quad gets ratified, it will give a huge score advantage. In ideal world, right technique (including in 3 jump) should be scored more and less correct technique (such as huge prerotation) should be penalized by minus GOE.

[@pavelolkhovoy113]

@@yohanes2034 ​ Then, there's actually competition between prerotated triples and prerotated quads. Anyway, prerotated quads are harder to perform than prerotated triples. It's harder to get a good GOE for a quad (complicated entry is risky, etc), high risk of a fall. That's why high BV is fair. If we consider that all Lz must have PR below 90 degrees then almost all 3Lz performed today should be marked < and

[@yohanes2034]

@@pavelolkhovoy113 Perhaps calling out the less correct technique with reduce GOE is a start. As you said,we should encourage skaters with good technique. But most of time they get less GOE than skaters who jump with bad technique. I would start by applying minus GOE for this kind of jump (no need to downgrade or apply UR) so that everyone gets an insentive to try learn good technique. Well this is just my opinion because I want to see better judging in the future.

[@pavelolkhovoy113]

@@yohanes2034 Yes, maybe. But judging is a foggy topic anyway. I'd rather like to know where the PCS comes from in reality (not in theory) and why it's impossible for a skater to get like 7 for SS, 5 for transitions and 9 for interpretation. And why the difference between different judges' marks is so little, unlike GOE, where one judge may give +4 and other -1 for the same element. Looks like it's not judges who decide which PCS is to be given.

[@XenonFae]

And now after JGP Lake Placid we can officially add Alysa Liu to the Ladies Quad Club! Two new entries in back to back weeks! So proud of all these hard working, talented little ladies!

[@yachuchuang3651]

Incorrect take off techniques (pre-rotation & full-blade) will pay the price after puberty... when their bodies no longer being small and light...

[@archiouseemerald2268]

The quad lutz brought by some russian is truly questionable especially the take off But the quad toe and quad salchows pre rotations is reasonable

[@yachuchuang3651]

@@archiouseemerald2268 yes

[@katiegreening3178]

Alysa Liu just landed quad Lutz in JGP!!

[@Anna1996tm]

a underrotated one

[@ElishaaLi]

Didnt realize rika had so many quads!

[@藤りんご-j8m]

ロシアの子は痩せすぎだよ、心配になります…

[@emmcampbell4434]

Miki Ando had some good attempts, but the first ratified quad salchow (and quad of any kind) in ladies skating was Sasha Trusova's.

[@ni_troshkin]

And no one ever tried quad loop I still believe that quad loop is the most difficult jump after quad axel

[@starcrushed]

For quad jump, the order of difficulty should be axel > loop > flip > lutz > salchow > toe loop. Quad lutz has the 2nd highest point and is easy to cheat that's why a lot of girls are doing it.

[@Jumblebelle]

@@starcrushed the order or difficulty was defined when doubles and triples were the norm, there's discussion that the 4Lo may be harder than a 4Lz. It's rarity compared to the 4Lz, even amongst the men, is a good argument towards this.

[@nieliangel]

I agree. I'd say 4Lz and 4F is pretty hard too if done right (i mean look at all those toe jumps with edge assist, wrong/shallow edge and more than half rotation done on the ice which never called in both men and momen yikes)

[@ivanlavouras]

Those arent real lutz... I think that there are only a few men who launch it coreectly

[@nieliangel]

I'd say 5 (not all the time though)

[@12oq]

Yuivaan Fever boyang jin?

[@ivanlavouras]

@@12oq yes, him and yuzuru

[@seikakurumiwari]

Yuivaan Fever Boyang Jin (absolutely textbook 4Lz),, Nathan Chen, Mikhail, Yuzuru!

[@ivanlavouras]

@@seikakurumiwari exactly

[@stellamakri6044]

You should definitely make a new one now!!!

[@imienazwisko4288]

You should make a new update

[@kazoola4309]

I'm new to this whole Figure Skating world, and I notice the male skaters land triple axels and quads much easier than the female skaters, is there an explanation on that? Or it's just the fact that they're technically better than female skaters?

[@archiouseemerald2268]

The male's discipline was advance in the quad movement that's why more are doing it.

[@snowcherryleopard]

Tbh a lot of men struggle with triple axels and really the incorporation of a lot of quads in men’s didn’t happen until this last decade

[@Roman-ez4hq]

Most of these are just glorified triples. Sad that they are being rewarded.

[@jesspettiford1279]

All**

[@jeank3860]

@@jesspettiford1279 gotta give trusova the 4T, it's looking more solid than some of the men's

[@jesspettiford1279]

@@jeank3860 Landing it doesn't keep it from being pre rotated to high hell. Doing a crap jump and saying it's better then a mans crap jump is not how we should look at such an athletic sport. :)

[@jeank3860]

@@jesspettiford1279 if you look at how pre-rotated her 4T is compared to some of the men's hers is comparable if not better. Her 4T is obviously better than her other quads, I wouldn't call her lutz a quad but her 4T is solid

[@jesspettiford1279]

@@jeank3860 Her most recent performances of her programs have still had her taking off just past 1/2. And the videos we've seen of her practising before performances and for commercials have her 4T still past 1/2 sometimes at or just before 3/4. Still a forward take off, and she still tends to put more then just her toepick down, less then others but it's still there. Her technique also looks like hell for her ankles which is something her coaches should address along with her repetitive jumping before her Body is just done for.

[@IronLady.]

Трусова всех превзошла. БРАВО.

[@abp1400]

I believe that by the next Olympic cycle (2026), all the top women will at least be doing Quad Toe if not Quad Toe and Quad Salchow.

[@alexanderbakulin8836]

here's a video with all of trusova's quad attempts (in the last 2 years) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKWYnpimrN6lhc0 and there's all of miki ando's attempts kzbin.info/www/bejne/roOZaYRqjZlonsk

[@misa7401]

I think that US will need to wait again for 2026 in medalling for the Olympics in the ladies’ category. I think Liu will not be able to compete with other ladies with her technique. Winter Olympics’ Ladies Figure Skating will the competition of the Russians, some Koreans and Japanese. I kinda wanna bet on Rika’s win though because the system kinda favors her technically. Even though she don’t have the more difficult quads, she has 3A which she can maximize on her SP. Though it seemed that Trusova also knows how to jump her 3A. I don’t know how it will go since Russia’s ladies seemed also having a hard time with their growth spurt. So it will be interesting to know who will win.

[@rokinco8598]

Young you also attempted 4s at a few domesic competitions in 2015

[@tripleflutz3518]

Love these videos

[@yugiohlegend]

3:50 the way she snaps herself up into the jump is absurd. She legit flies in the air 😳

[@rokinco8598]

You young also tried 4s in a domestic competition when she was 11

[@Cmc995]

I wish Tonya landed one on camera. Supposedly her ‘92 Texaco commercial features it but can’t really tell,

[@kamui3477]

おお浅田、クワドも試合で跳ぶ気になっていたら跳べたのではないか？

[@celinegandalf1583]

Sasha and Anna’s jumps are pre rotated but sure...

[@Raphann88]

I don't understand why they do so many quad lutz and so few quad flip ? Is the quad lutz easier to do ? Why ?

[@flankerpraha]

Anna Shcherbakova already landed ratified quad flip. Why Lz is more frequent? Probably because with the nearly same difficulty Lz has higher BV is it is more worth risking.

[@PlayLyss]

What was wrong with the one at 1:55?

[@juliaostlund9360]

what does "popping" it mean? and "ratified" in skating terms?

[@j-hopesmamma6788]

Surya is the only women who can do a back flip on ice

[@Jdvwkfnens]

トゥルソワ・シェルバコワ・トゥルシンバエワ ・ワリエワ筆頭にみんなすごいけど栄養失調みたいに細い。そして皆さん美人

[@TT-ee4qp]

Unfortunately, no one of them could be the next Peggy Fleming, Katarina Witt and Michelle Kwan.....

[@wkim22]

None of them aspire to be low-level jumpers in the era of figure skating as a sport.

[@jrpow6321]

Hi, I am enjoying the videos and learning more about figure skating. But I have a few questions - what does ratified mean as it pertains to the jumps, and what is > and >>?

[@kadovax6567]

Ratified = validated by the ISU. > or >> means the jump was underrotated = the skater did not do the number of rotations required in the air. For instance, a triple jump needs 3 rotations in the air. If the skater lands after 2.5 rotations instead of 3, the jump is underrotated by 180 degres (= half rotation missing).

[@nieliangel]

@@kadovax6567 UR is quarter (1/4 turn) actually

[@kadovax6567]

@@nieliangel yes, that's 90 degres. I was giving an example.

[@nieliangel]

@@kadovax6567 Ah okay, I just wanted to clerify the call limit

[@kadovax6567]

@@nieliangel yes, sure, no prob !

[@tnatnatna]

Trusova is a Queen!!!

[@fsmilka8021]

You've forgotten Sophya Akatyeva's 4T and 4T+3T in practice

[@Yuzutea]

She's there at 6:06 - She's got so much potential, both a quad and a 3A 😲

[@fsmilka8021]

Yuzutea haha, sorry)

[@user-muzertru]

Вы наверное хотели сказать Софьи Самоделкиной)) Ох уж эти Софьи)))

[@fsmilka8021]

N0gel N0gel нет, я не заметила Акатьеву. Но я знаю что Соня тоже делает, но видела видео только на удочке

[@user-muzertru]

@@fsmilka8021 я тупанула,извиняюсь, у Самоделкиной триксель

[@dd7138]

All of Eteri's Quads - Sherbakova and Trusova - are all extremely pre-rotated. Not sure if that makes them "real" quads...

[@woohooo7634]

not Trusova, definitely Sherbakova.

[@Voobshe.poxerrr]

D D according to rules it can be 180 or less prerotation, both Trusova and Scherbakova were doing quads within this range, what’s the problem?

[@dd7138]

@@Voobshe.poxerrr Full blade assist, and still under rotation with excessive prerotation.

[@lillianscott4194]

​@@Voobshe.poxerrr Anna shcherbakova 😅

[@sopia1201]

쿼드뛰기전에 기본이나좀잘익혀라쯧쯧

[@ОльгаКопьёва-п7и]

Анечка молодец

[@akaidensya2000]

♥️miki♥️

[@faithzhao8540]

Can we just appreciate Vincent behind Rika

[@danielaamgc3184]

miki ando is historic

[@danniifan3115]

i was surprised at the 2018 olympics that the men were doing the quad lutz let alone the ladies!I think that this is just too much for womens' bodies. I am concerned about their future health. I know that all sports people generally end up with something from the overuse of a body part but serious injuries such as those associated with the quad lutz. Next it will be the quad Axel!

[@ОльгаКопьёва-п7и]

Здорово Саша прыгает

[@onetwocue]

It's called muscle memory. As you get older male or female yes the bodies are going to change but if you have the technique also called muscle memory down, you should still be able to do it.

[@Jumblebelle]

muscle memory doesn't count for much with figure skating jumps. Skaters lose their jumps ridiculously easy and changes to the body during female puberty have a huge effect on rotational speed - those two things in combination make it very easy for a pre-pubescent female skater to lose her quads.