Queers for Palestine

[@puppypalice]

“The problem with this argument is that it’s stupid” thanks yet again for another banger

[@jeckjeck3119]

It's really not. Not being pro-terrorists is not stupid.

[@cherrycolareal]

​@@jeckjeck3119 yeah it's not stupid to denounce the Israeli terrorism on Palestinian civilians. Oh wait that's not what you mean isn't it 😂

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@cherrycolareal No such thing as Pale seevz.

[@quietpandora4855]

​@@jeckjeck3119​. Yeah, that's why people are pro-innocent people and not the actual terrorist that aren't even being targeted

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@quietpandora4855 Yes real is yet to hurt a single seav in gza.

[@ltmatthewakj2466]

Although I am religious person but not a LGBT-phobic person, you are welcome for standing with Palestine because we are human. God bless you!

[@jeckjeck3119]

Pft.

[@Lunar.Ser3nity]

May your life be filled with love and happiness, God bless you ❤️

[@Therizzybizzy]

@@jeckjeck3119why are you such a little fucking prick ? I’ve checked through almost all comments under this video and you’ve responded to almost all of them with something fucking moronic

[@EpixNirvana_Fan101]

Why are you even here then​@@jeckjeck3119

[@cursedhfy3558]

@@ltmatthewakj2466 Axis sympathizer

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

I feel like there's something gross about the idea that, because someone is intolerant towards me, I should be totally fine with them being the victim of genocide. Maybe we should just take genocide off the table completely. Furthermore, if we don't stand in support of Palestinian people against this injustice, what reason would any of them have to feel differently about us after the nation that committed atrocities against them did so whilst crowing about how supposedly tolerant they are of us (despite evidence to the contrary). I don't think that we should let them drag us into it without setting our own terms. Maybe the Palestinians will become more accepting of LGBTQ people due to us standing in solidarity with them, maybe they won't, but my motivation to oppose the actions of the Israeli state shouldn't be based on whether or not a completely unrelated issue gets resolved in a way that I find agreeable. Palestine wouldn't be in any better of a position if they'd been less bigoted against LGBTQ people. To claim that would be insane, so why should anyone think it's acceptable to stand idly by and refuse to oppose a full on genocide that is being supported by my tax money because the victims aren't perfect angels who have never done anything wrong? Have we considered that Palestine might have been able to develop more socially progressive government policies towards LGBTQ people if they didn't constantly have their closest international neighbour stealing their land, murdering their children, and kicking people out of their homes? It feels like that might draw attention away from debates about whether to overturn colonial era laws against sodomy due to the fact that there's people with guns kicking people out of their homes and doing tiktok dances in front of their colleagues as they dump bodies into unmarked mass graves.

[@Myladyinred999]

Maybe we should look very closely into the definition of genocide 👍 Did a genocide happen during the Syrian civil war when 350,000 people died in 4 years? Or in the war between Iran and Iraq when over a million people died in 8 years? Or the Iraqi uprisings where 250,000 people died in 2 months?

[@yasspanda2559]

​@@Myladyinred999 what, you're waiting for the casualty to be absolute to start criticising Isr@3l? Their w@r cabin3t is openly g3nocid@l in their statements. (Have to spell words differently cuz YT likes to delete comments)

[@PixelaGames2000]

War kills people, end of discussion

[@garrett2439]

@@Myladyinred999 To answer all your questions: yes.

[@Myladyinred999]

@@garrett2439 So every war is a genocide to you? Even when Arabs kill Arabs? The US committed genocides in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, …. ?

[@justarandomguy6794]

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere

[@leohenry5247]

As a person with an unhealthy obsession with lgbt discourse on a certain imageboard, I’m grateful to see this video. I keep biting the bait when people repeat chickens for kfc or an equivalent analogy and it’s quite exhausting.

[@Myladyinred999]

You need to understand the world first in order to be able to help improve it. You need to know the camps and how high their numbers of supporters are otherwise you won't succeed in supporting human rights. We can't afford being naive and engaging in wishful thinking. The world is as it is and not as we wish it would be. It can only become a better place if we acknowledge the current state of affairs and take appropriate action to change it - action that matches the current state not methods that don't even address the current problems. So maybe consider not just listening to and taking seriously only people whose views align with your own. Yes, those liberal Muslims exist and they also look for validation of their progressive views in the Qran. But there are also other Muslims who exist as well and who currently have more of a say in Palestine since they eradicated everyone with differing opinions there. And they do not just exist in Palestine: Do you know the video where a veiled woman at a pro Palestinian ralley said "Shame on you, shame on you!" towards queer supporters? There are more videos like that by Islamic scholars as well as popular Arab influencers who expressed a very stable opinion on how to deal with gay people from a theological standpoint. In Lebanon the situation has improved in the last years: Gay people don't get put in front of a court anymore and are not declared criminals but instead only get taken to the police station where they are physically and verbally harrassed but can go on their marry ways on the same day without any legal consequences. Apart from that the situation has gotten worse im most Middle Eastern countries.

[@kronos7110]

People of kolor for KKK is more accurate:/

[@kronos7110]

Blaks for KKk is more accurate of a comparison. If y were LGBT in P, y would not even be around to complain.

[@wannabedrewafualo]

@@Myladyinred999 It literally doesn’t matter. Humanitarianism is not transactional. I am queer and I know that there is no excuse for what is happening in Ghaza. I don’t care if some of them might be homophobic, nobody deserves to be massacred. It’s also important to remember that there are LGBTQ+ Palestinians.

[@EpixNirvana_Fan101]

​@@kronos7110 you people always forget that how are you gonna make people NOT homo phobics and change their mind if their ALLL DEAD?

[@BrianS1981]

The thing about Reason magazine, it's a libertarian "think" tank, heavily influenced by Randian objectivism. Hence the capacity for or instances of thinking are both low and scarce.

[@daniel-panek]

I can't stand Libertarians. They're as harmful as conservatives but their reasoning is that of a child. I think it's the difference between incompetence and malice between the two ideologies. And if you have both, welcome to right-libertarianism!

[@royalbandit8106]

The Cork Pride Parade cut out as much of the Queers for palestine protesters as possible this year. Including cutting any videos right before we were visible. You'd think we were never there. But, the queer Apple tm employees definitely got their own segments.

[@Karczoszek]

To those people who spam "chickens for kfc", "blacks for the klan", etc. please, for the love of all that's holy, watch this goddamn video before commenting. All of those "concerns" were already addressed by Alex, you would easily realize that if y'all weren't so damn ignorant.

[@reneeschnarr6260]

I’ve heard that multiple times, if you support Palestine you support how they treat gays or women. No and no. I’m against killing people and stealing their land. I’m a mom and my daughter is gay. Every time I see a video of a screaming parent or child I feel it. I’m not arguing about religious or cultural beliefs.

[@BenjaminWalburn]

no country has been made more progressive and less conservative by genociding them. These people using the LGBT as a weapon against Palestine aren't interested in improving LGBT rights for Palestinians, they just want to exterminate the entire population.

[@Ruktiet]

Then why don’t you all get on the streets about the Myanmar internal conflict, or the Sudan war, or the Maghreb insurgency? Nope. You all just jump on the latest thing and are oblivious to the other conflicts that aren’t mediatized. You’re fad-activists. You don’t actually care about people or trying to understand pboth sides in conflicts, no, you want to VIRTUE SIGNAL to your friends and family because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside. Also, being homosexual is punishable by death in Islam rule. You people are fudging pathetic.

[@BradsPitts.]

I came back to this video just for this comment. Do you mind if I share it around?

[@Myladyinred999]

It‘s one thing to be against killing. It’s another thing to continue advocating for the street gang who has terrorized your neighborhood for decades without facing any real consequences for it 😢 Do you think it’s murder when the police tried to solve the social issues there countless times, are met with no interest in education, employment, women‘s or gay rights to the point that the gang members and their families not only beat up and kill their own outsiders but even queer people and families outside of their community? And then police continually increases force, is lured into shooting matches with gang members and then is faulted for people dying? Yes, we need to try solving upcoming conflict civilly first, even if the reasons for the conflict are cloudy. But once you've tried everything, even the questionable stuff, and nothing has worked, we need to stop blaming ourselves. If some individual keeps hurting and harming others, no matter how much therapy, acceptance and understanding they get we need to put this person into prison - not to punish them neccessarily but primarily to protect society: families with kids for example. We need to look at the roots of a conflict: If some kids, siblings let's say, sometimes are on good terms, sometimes prank each other or end up in an argument, it's not always important to find out who started each time. But once a kid systemically gets bullied by some other kids and others stand by and do nothing to stop it, it's important for the parents and the school to realize this pattern. Unfortunately, we live in a world where some people think they can support their own and their loved one's cause by using violence. But is every cop or soldier a murderer because they try to stop a school shooting or free a neighborhood from a terrorizing gang? It's dangerous to go into living quarters where gang members with weapons wait for you and you know there are families with kids living their normal lives - or at least try to live it under the regime of a gang terrorizing every aspect of their lives. Are the cops going in to end criminal activities really the murderers? It's so important to distinguish between unprovoced agression - which is 100% not ok - and responsive agression that is only used to defend yourself and other victims of unprovoced violence. I'm a steadfast defender of social justice, I believe in giving people not just one chance to change their lives for the better but many. It's important to recognize a peaceful culture instead of feeling attacked just because some people are different. But to achieve this we need to stand up when people raise their kids in hate and make them uncritically admire their own cultre while opposing everyone else's in an manner just as uninformed.

[@Myladyinred999]

​@zvezda4701 You don't want to be the peaceful citizen, working as hard as you can, be as honest and respectful towards others as possible, not scamming them but trying to offer them something of value in exchange for their money - and then be blamed for things that other people did or things that just happened to someone by chance and you feel sorry for them but are not responsible for it in any way. That's why we need to be very informed, look very closely, know exactely what human rights are and how to uphold them without sacrifizing other human rights in the process. We don't want to better our society in some regards but build a dystopia in many other regards. Everything needs to fit. A society that offers good living conditions for everyone can't afford tolerating hate, victim blaming, smear campaigns and victim-perpetrator role reversal. There are people who loud and clear speak out for protecting kids from harm - but some of them just do it to get hold of donation money, people's praise and attention while not really doing something to protect kids. Some activists even hinder guidelines from coming into place that would help protect kids better. There are people who speak out against harming animals but make videos in which they only get to "save" animals from suffering because they before - off camera - have put them in the insufferable situation in the first place. How do we distinguish between people who do real activism, that really helps, instead of just acting as an activist or even worsen the situation of those people they pretend they want to help? Most abusive partners act as very kind people who want to have a family who love kids, act as very patient around them and aspire to help their community and society as a whole. No one would have a family with someone who acted like a complete a**hole right from the start. We can't afford having double standards - everyone makes mistakes, everyone makes bad decisions sometimes and we will continue to make them until the end of our lives. But there are some people who never learn from their mistakes, who make the exact same ones all their lives long, who continue to give the same apologies and promises to do better but little to nothing changes. We need to dinstinguish between people really trying to do better even though it's hard and those who are so convinced that they have the only truth, the only culture of value and are forever victims even though reality looks very different since they had many opportunities, many empires, a lot of military success and shaped the face of the world we live in today. Who decided to establish again and again societies where people are everything but equal, where outsiders were only welcome when they submitted and accepted to be invisible and segregated in society. Who brought most of the Ashkenazi Jews to this region? It was the Ottoman Empire, an Islamic empire. They had the legal authority in the place back then. No one back then was able to just go there, just as today. Everyone had to get the ok of the local authority to be able to settle there even if they had already bought a piece of land with legal means. So the Ottoman Empire allowed those Ashkenazi Jews to settle there. And a lot of Arabs sold their land to Jewish settlers. And after Israel was established (not the land was given to the Jews, they bought it, they only were granted statehood by the international community) and no Palestinian state since they declined the offer of an own state, all the neighboring countries attacked Israel at once. And for those military activities the neighboring Arabs advised the Palestinian Arabs to leave their homes and promised them they would get them back once the Arab nations had won the war. Most of the Palestinian Arabs who stayed in nowaday Israeli land got to keep their land and got Israeli citizenship. While most others didn't get their homes back and stay displaced, mostly until now (including their offspring, even if they live in another country safely since generations now). And most Arab countries expelled their Jewish populations in responce to their ego being hurt by the lost war. And those expelled Middle Eastern Jews had no place to go but Israel. Why would people who come from an empire accept the help of the international community for building a state when before they used to be the masters of not just the region but of an entire empire? We Westerners need to accept that not everyone in the world has questioned and criticized Colonialist aspirations. Some just hold on to their master mentality. Empires are not just a Western thing and it's a very Colonialist thing to insist that only Westerners can strive for power and cultural dominance. This is not just a European idea. Fortunately most of the Middle East is changing in that but some players refuse to change - especially Palestinians and Iran (as in the Islamic republic, not the people - they are all for change and progress, fortunately). Saving face is a big tradition in the Middle East, you never ask someone to admit they have been wrong. You just watch them change and are happy about it. That's why most Middle Eastern states already stopped opposing Israel but work with them very productively, economically and in eradicating terrorism. They are very happy about israels support and competences when it comes to fighting Islamic terrorism. But of course they need to save face and can't openly speak out against the corrupt and brutal Palestinian leadership who is the real cause of the suffering. Please don't be fooled by differences in mentality - please stay open minded, continue to educate yourself and expand your cultural understanding. The people from Middle Eastern cultures will thank you thousand times for that ❤ Please don't be fooled by people who only advocate for progressive values if it furthers their own agenda. For example many mosques say it's not ok to force Muslims to shake the hand of someone of another sex. It's in general not ok to force physical contact on someone if they don't want to for whatever reason - 100%. But some conservative and sexist people only advocate partially for "consent" if it fits their agenda. The same Muslim women in very backwards mosques who will complain about Western men insisting on shaking their hands will hug a potential convert in the mosque without even bothering to ask for her consent. And they will act completely surprised if she asks them to respect her physical boundaries. Since in conservative Islam there is no physical autonomy, there is only modesty between women and men. If you don't look closely enough and therefore end up supporting the wrong ideology - even without wanting to - you end up hurting more people than protecting them. It's a horrible thing to be put in a situation where you only have the option between protecting yourself by harming someone else or refraining from defending yourself and therefore your family, you and your neighbors get harmed way more than if you only attacked your attacker but stopped a lot of violence. I'm a pacifist myself - but pacifism who denies the right to self-defense ends up leading to even more violence. We need to stop the schoolyard bullies and the international bullies, not just among official countries but also among non government organizations. If we stand by when peaceful people are killed and kidnapped and even encourage the kidnappers by agreeing to exchanging the kidnappees for convicted criminals - then there will be more kidnappings, more assaulting of peaceful villages in the middle of the night, more use of human shields and more use of rockets that work so poorly that a lot of them don't even reach the "enemy" but end up exploding on their own population. From a human standpoint, it's just a tragedy 😢 Last point: Plaese listen to Palestinians ❤ Not just when they speak to Western media but listen to them across all of international media, even Arab media. Read their own documents across history, as many as you can. Do not just listen to progressive Arabs (even though of course it's very worth listen to them a lot 👍) but listen to conservative and even totaliterian Arabs as well. You need to understand the world first in order to be able to help improve it. You need to know the camps and how high their numbers of supporters are otherwise you won't succeed in supporting human rights. We can't afford being naive and engage in wishful thinking. The world is as it is and not as we wish it would be. It can only become a better place if we acknowledge the current state of affairs and take appropriate action to change it - action that matches the current state not methods that don't even adress the current problems.

[@maus6967]

Whenever someone says "chickens for KFC" I ask them: "What awful things must be happening to KFC, if even the chickens feel sympathetic?"

[@seifmasmoudi1739]

they don't have values. They have non-agression treaties.

[@Herobeans]

I'm going to use this, sorry

[@MetaKnight964]

@maus6967: Idiot the point is that it's stupid to support people who hate you and want you dead.

[@MetaKnight964]

@zvezda4701 All it will do is make you look stupid.

[@MetaKnight964]

@@Herobeans Same with you.

[@jansalomin]

Lets hope this pride month can be a happy pride month

[@kronos7110]

Not for Palz, I hope.

[@rimlessbeef6450]

it wont be.

[@rimlessbeef6450]

if you're not a centralist, you're part of the problem

[@harrydamien6346]

Palestine protestors literally shut down the Pride Parade in Toronto. I'm sorry, extreme social conservatism which is present in strains of Islam isn't compatible with liberal democracy and LGBTQ+ rights.

[@saiv46]

12:52 > "We find that in a shocking reveal, those who are informed and yet still continue to stand by Israel, are not doing so out of an abundance of love and respect for all their fellow humans, particuarly the gays." As bisexual, such exclusionary sentiment vexes me #StandWithIsrael

[@cfiber_inc]

Isn't gay marriage illegal in Israel

[@Ciurk]

it's illegal in a lot of places but that doesn't mean gay people can't support those places

[@sushiroll3795]

Yeah, which makes it even funnier that people constantly try to portray Israel as this progressive bastion of queer rights or something. I mean, it's good for queer rights in comparison to other Middle Eastern countries, but that's not exactly the highest bar in the world, to say the least.

[@Ciurk]

did you even watch the video

[@kaynines5996]

Yes and no. Marriage is seen as a religious institution in Israel. Only civil unions are permitted.

[@Abyzz_Knight]

​@@kaynines5996I doubt civil unions and marriages are treated equally.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

Unix time: starts on 01.01.1970 as an arbitrary date Israel time: starts on 07.10.2023 as the beginning of history

[@jeckjeck3119]

Iz existed for centuries. P exists for terrorizm.

[@Lady_Merlin_]

My thought on the whole point of “Palestine is against queer people” is so is the apartide state of Israel. The subjugation of us should not be a deciding factor as no matter who you side with will likely be just as bigoted of a government. The thing that should matter is that the Palestinian people are being indiscriminately killed in a genocide led by the Israeli government. Israel does have a right to defend itself but not to enact mass killings and other war crimes such as designating “safe zones” only to fire tank rounds into those zones. Israel has overreacted and must stop. If Israel carried out spec ops to specifically target Hamas leadership instead of what they have done, then there would have been far less outrage. Israel didn’t and now we are here in opposition to their actions.

[@maxgrozema1093]

Palestinian territories were the first to decriminalize homosexuality in the ME

[@Lycaon1765]

That's incredibly untrue tho. Israel: - being gay is legal - let's you adopt - let's you change legal gender w/o need for surgery/castration - subsidizes medical transition with the government healthcare (altho you have to convince a board of doctors of your transness and from what I read so far they are stringent) - recognizes unregistered cohabitation - has protection against discrimination in school, work, etc - can serve openly and equally in the military Israel doesn't have legal gay marriage, but recognizes marriages that happen outside Israel. Israel doesn't allow for marriages that aren't sanctioned by a religious authority to happen in Israel. There are many openly queer members of the knesset (I think that's how that's spelled), one even led a political party. There's a section of Israel that DOES recognize same sex unions tho. Israel has open pride parades. Palestine doesn't and people flee Palestine TO ISRAEL for fear of persecution. Your point that the subjugation of us shouldn't be the deciding factor is true, but don't "both sides" this thing. Israel is objectively miles ahead of Palestine in LGBT+ rights and isn't against queer people.

[@maxgrozema1093]

@@Lycaon1765 shoo, shoo hasbara shill

[@Lady_Merlin_]

@@Lycaon1765 I stand corrected. My thought was since it was apartheid and run by theocrats that it would be more like the Republican Party. But I stand corrected. Thank you

[@Lycaon1765]

@@Lady_Merlin_ you are welcome

[@TheEpicDiamondMiner]

I have to reiterate this. When people say they’re in support of Palestine, that means they support the Palestinian citizens and their liberation. That does not mean that people agree with the policies of the Palestinian government.

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

Its bizarre that people understamd this concept for other conflicts like Ukraine/Russia, those who supported the US exit out of Afghanistan to leave it to a US hating, christian hating, queerphobic taliban but can't apply that logic to Palestine.

[@jorgealves3436]

Gaza does not have a government. The Hamas is in charge, and the ultimate wish of the Hamas program is to kill the last Jew, that's why they say From the River to the Sea, meaning they are killing all Jews from the river Jordan to the Mediterranean. This is it, and along with them all queers and lesbians, the only purpose of a women for them is to have children and for them to make children.

[@user-qx5ps1fi7l]

This sounds as if you think that a majority Palistinian people is pro LGBT and only "the government" pushes Homophobia. If so, do you realize that is not the case?

[@TheEpicDiamondMiner]

@@user-qx5ps1fi7l And that should be a sign to fight for queer rights in Palestine. I didn’t say anything about how many people support the LGBT in Palestine. You could say the same thing about Ukraine.

[@jorgealves3436]

@@TheEpicDiamondMiner Do you reckon Palestinian people know what one is talking about when one refers to LGBT? Do you believe a Palestinian women has the right or dreams of having the right to enjoy lesbian sex with another woman? In Muslim culture women are only attributed with one goal: have as many children as possible and look after the men they were told to marry to!

[@Mayotamacooks]

I'm bisexual and i'm so angry at my community for showing sympathy for these terrorists. Queers for hamas is like saying "Turkeys for thanksgiving", "Ukrainians for Russia", or "Americans for ISIS".

[@morbidsearch]

'We just want to defeat Hamas" *destroys everything in Gaza except Hamas*

[@Bryan-od7nv]

That’s because Hamas hides behind everyone and everything in Gaza.

[@maxthibodeau3627]

well there can be any terrorists if there a no people left to be terrorists 👍

[@alimbis]

the militant to civilian casualty ratio is one of the highest in history

[@rjill7000]

12:19-12:25 These specfic caricatures are likewise prominent among anti-Semitic "happy merchant" and der sturmer-style comics/memes. History never repeats, yet it often rhymes.

[@DanialTarki]

Remember people: You can be against unjustified and unjustifiable actions towards people who have disdain for you. Just because an lgbt person supports Palestine, doesn’t mean they don’t want Palestine’s perception of lgbt people to change.

[@PRESTIGETRADING-w5s]

"Palestine’s perception of lgbt people to change." HA !!! ... in sum, change Islam, because you are starting to realize that Islam would kill you. Good luck with that.

[@KaiseroftheBlade]

Dude I need a that Garfield bracelet. Like NEED.

[@NeurozombieX]

You can find a kandi pattern for it online I think if not you can try threading it yourself using beads :)

[@epaminon6196]

Just change the slogan from 'Queers for Palestine' to 'Queers for a better Palestine'. Problem solved.

[@yazanqubaja7464]

I know what you mean, but that sounds like anti Palestine not anti Israel.

[@epaminon6196]

@@yazanqubaja7464 How would wanting to improve something by making it better be akin to being against said matter? If someone told you that they want to reform the taxation system, you wouldn't interpret this as them being against taxation in general, would you? And in regards to Palestine, there are many issues that need improvement. Negating this objective truth would imply that it's already perfect the way it is. And it's definitely not.

[@g1y3]

​@@epaminon6196 it's just distraction at this point , rather than talking about apartheid & colonialism it will shift conversation away from it. these arguments are same that French used to justify thier colonialism & mass killing of Algerians.

[@JohnCollins-vy4nf]

​@@g1y3What a world to live in that saying "throwing gays off roofs is bad actually" is now a racist pro-colonial statement.

[@slamwall9057]

⁠@@JohnCollins-vy4nf”but it’s okay because it’s part of their culture!” - The ironic thing is that this attitude of uncritical infantilising respect for foreign cultures, often used nowadays while arguing against colonialism, is actually colonial in origin. If you actually look in detail about how colonial governments worked, you will find plenty of examples of this

[@DoubleAyeBatteries]

Always excited for a new upload, even if this one is probably going to be pretty intense.

[@jeckjeck3119]

And foolish. Not all pple deserve compassion.

[@ethanthompson5999]

There is just something so incredible about watching a guy play with a ball while talking about possibly the worst humanitarian crisis of this century so far. Not in a bad way. I love this shit. It gives charecter to the video.

[@vizzzyy190]

another fantastic and amazingly worded video. happy pride month, free palestine 🇵🇸

[@VeeMarbles]

I feel like you also should have brought up how gay marriage is illegal in israel but great video that i will save for future usage, Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@reneeschnarr6260]

Isn’t it also illegal for an Israeli person to marry a Palestinian? I think I heard that somewhere.

[@VeeMarbles]

@@reneeschnarr6260 I think so

[@VeeMarbles]

They do a lot of copying from apartheid south africa

[@Shimamon27]

They just marry online/abroad and it's legal. There are no secular marriages in Israel yet, but secular marriages from abroad are fully accepted.

[@gloverfox9135]

Israelis don’t stone gay people to death

[@SpoopySquid]

This queer stands with Palestine 🏳️‍🌈 🇵🇸 EDIT: something tells me the people replying didn't watch the vid lol

[@thegreatcanadianlumberjack5307]

Except there is a catch Those places don't actually don't Support LGTBQs and will kill you just for being gay. Just think about that before you Support something blindly without thought.

[@Priscilamontini]

Do you wanna die?

[@thegreatcanadianlumberjack5307]

KZbin deleted my comment but i think you might want think twice about that. They give Queers and Gays dirt naps free of charge

[@holyshiet787]

Wanna try flying lessons from the roof in Palestine?

[@jeckjeck3119]

It's like saying "I am blak and I stand with KkK."

[@marceline3771]

Good video! & just wanted to say you absolutely slay in that outfit.

[@GingerWaste]

I'd like to start by saying that I am in Israeli Jew, and I'm Straight, BUT, I am against the war, our government is out of control and you are right the only priority should have been to rescue the hostages and that's it. But I would like to add a bit of context from my position. I do not criticise the queers for Palestine movement, or any other, but there is one thing people neglect to say when discussing October the 7th. At that point there was relative peace between hamas and Israel, for about 7 years we had no major escalations. And talks with Saudi Arabia about Palestinian independence we're already underway. The attack was not only brutal, it broke 7 years of relative peace, it undermines the current talks FOR Palestinian independence, and ultimately hamas was willing to do this atrocity fully knowing this might escalate to a war, a holy War. We're not much better, I won't lie, and the ball is in our court to make things right, I hope my government is burnt at the stake, and that the two state solution can finally come

[@bootyspoon4675]

The murder of 223 peaceful protesters during the March of Return in 2018-2019 was not a "major escalation"?

[@Ксавиор36]

Read Ilan Pappe

[@Myladyinred999]

Thanks for adding this, crucial information 👍 I’d also like to add that bringing back the hostages IS the main priority for Israel’s government, they are just very secretive about how the progress is going. There have been way more successes than the media portray. In parts this is also necessary to not endanger plans for rescue missions by spoiling important information to Hamas. Also bringing back the hostages by deals where you let way more convicted criminals loose is pretty dangerous. Since it demonstrates to them that kidnapping is a successful strategy to get criminals free - who did horrible stuff, look it up. It leads to more hostages being taken in the future whenever it’s convenient for them 😢

[@nighteule]

"Relative" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Oct 7th was claimed to have started because of the Al Aqsa mosque attack in april, I'd say that's an escalation, don't you think? And Israel has not stopped being violent toward palestinians in the west bank, nor the settlements.

[@Shimamon27]

There can't be peace with palestine, if 7.10 didn't teach you anything, nothing will.

[@reissecupfilms]

What is this place with a bunch of curvy pieces of metal

[@elliot_729]

Yay, more people for Palestine.

[@Ruktiet]

Fudge that terrorist state

[@kronos7110]

Never. I won't stand for terrorists.

[@jeckjeck3119]

Fools more like it.

[@nighteule]

@@kronos7110 Are you implying all palestinians are terrorists?

[@battledroid7628]

Hamas was a democratically elected organization that decided to commit massacres against Israel, I don’t support the glassing of MOST civilian infrastructure(not talking about the ones Hamas intentionally sets up in for PR reasons, that’s a different story) but they had full right to launch a counter-invasion to remove hamas from power

[@thecoolaxolotlnova8523]

9:20 they dont understand that wanting the people they dont like to die is not normal

[@katelundberg2029]

Even if Israel is better on queer issues than Palestine(which just from basic research seems to be debatable since it seems to have generally better policy but gay people can't get married within Israel(but can be married) versus Palestine which has some lack of protections and some retained colonial era homophobic policy but does have right to marriage in the west bank at least), and even if we ignore the whole, you know, genocide going on there, at worst queers for Palestine would be putting pressure on Palestine to reconsider their policy towards queer people once they're no longer fighting for their lives. Plus once Palestine is free the same queer people who fought against Israel's genocide will likely turn to opposing oppression of queer people in the area, should it exist.

[@Myladyinred999]

Do you know the video where a veiled woman at a pro Palestinian ralley said "Shame on you, shame on you!" towards queer supporters? There are more videos like that by Islamic scholars as well as Arab influencers who expressed a very stable opinion on how to deal with gay people from a theological standpoint. In Lebanon the situation has improved in the last years: Gay people don't get put in front of a court anymore and are not declared criminals but instead only get taken to the police station where they are physically and verbally harrassed but can go on their marry ways on the same day without any legal consequences. Apart from that the situation has gotten worse im most Middle Eastern countries. If you only get the option of not being able to marry and get harrassed and criminalized or you're not able to married but can live in peace and dignity - which do you choose? Please remember, not everyone in the Middle East can just move countries and only the fit and young can afford to flee and seek refuge somewhere.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@Myladyinred999 Mercy to our enemies is wrong. That's why I don't get pro P views.

[@justarandomguy6794]

​@@Myladyinred999Do enlighten us about that stable opinion

[@jeckjeck3119]

@zvezda4701 If they don't believe in yr human rights... why should y believe in theirs? And rules of war only exist for democracies. P is not one.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@zvezda4701 Yes:/ It would be fine. Not democratic pple, not OUR problem.

[@nightthemoon8481]

Another thing is that the vast majority of arabs and muslims aren't homophobic, especially the younger generations who are much more likely to have lgbt friends or family, coupled with the fact that islam doesn't say you should punish people for being lgbt, in fact the prophet himself allowed many lgbt people into his house, and was fine with them seeing his wives without a hijab or anything (aka he genuinely believed in their proclaimed sexuality or orientation unless proven otherwise).

[@mrgiujitsuent9919]

This is absurd… I’m actually laughing at how weird this is… it’s like a person who is allergic to bees putting his arm in a bee hive. Muslim people do not accept gays and the offense is punishable by death…..

[@Myladyinred999]

So important: You need to understand the world first in order to be able to help improve it. You need to know the camps and how high their numbers of supporters are otherwise you won't succeed in supporting human rights. We can't afford being naive and engaging in wishful thinking. The world is as it is and not as we wish it would be. It can only become a better place if we acknowledge the current state of affairs and take appropriate action to change it - action that matches the current state not methods that don't even address the current problems. So maybe consider not just listening to and taking seriously only people whose views align with your own. Yes, those liberal Muslims exist and they also look for validation of their progressive views in the Qran. But there are also other Muslims who exist as well and who currently have more of a say in Palestine since they eradicated everyone with differing opinions there. And they do not just exist in Palestine: Do you know the video where a veiled woman at a pro Palestinian ralley said "Shame on you, shame on you!" towards queer supporters? There are more videos like that by Islamic scholars as well as popular Arab influencers who expressed a very stable opinion on how to deal with gay people from a theological standpoint. In Lebanon the situation has improved in the last years: Gay people don't get put in front of a court anymore and are not declared criminals but instead only get taken to the police station where they are physically and verbally harrassed but can go on their marry ways on the same day without any legal consequences. Apart from that the situation has gotten worse im most Middle Eastern countries.

[@nightthemoon8481]

@@Myladyinred999 There's literally nothing in the quran that suggests any sort of punishment for lgbt people, feel free to try and prove me wrong, if anything the existence of hadiths about the prophet's acceptance of their identity and obviously not punishing them in any way is enough to prove me right imo. The fact that some arab countries have some homophobia is purely cultural, and as an Egyptian (largest arab country in the world by population) i have several friends who are openly lgbt, and Egyptian culture is getting rapidly more accepting, even older people are practically accepting as long as they're not waving around flags.

[@texenna]

the re-writing of Islam is wild, and the fact that you reject the hadiths is the rejection of the words of the Sahaba and Prophet Muhhamed SAW.

[@nightthemoon8481]

@@texennathen show me one verse or one Hadith

[@Thewarden2070]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@Ruktiet]

Fudge Palestine

[@jeckjeck3119]

Free US from Pale lies.

[@battledroid7628]

Free the hostages

[@Thewarden2070]

@@AmericanPatriot-wu7eq Israel is free as can be. There is a genocide going on of Palestinians.

[@jeckjeck3119]

Free us from Paleian lies.

[@rogerchambers9756]

Turkeys voting for xmas....

[@Dragondarkness79]

nice vid, and amazing fashion as always 💙

[@BaynexoMusicOfficial]

Free Palestine!!! Also that meme showing the colonizers as gigachads is just so... *vomits*

[@maxthibodeau3627]

you can only claim territory if you currently occupy it. land isn't yours forever just because you lived there once.

[@LermaBean]

I stand for Palestine and I'm bisexual 🏳️‍🌈🇵🇸

[@maxthibodeau3627]

sure, i wouldn't go there though.

[@saiv46]

Bisexual too, but stand with Israel (it's the only Middle East country I'll be allowed to immigrate anyway)

[@Trashboat221]

​@@saiv46look, There are Gays and Bi people in the gaza strip, and not only are you putting them in danger by bombing them, but by depriving palestine of a state, you hold them back from socially progressing When conditions are tuff in a country, people go to religion to cope with their lives, but religion is also where a lot of the bigotry comes from This is the reason why first world countries are more progressive and less religious And by bombing the gaza strip it gives people in the middle east more of a reason to hate Israel and the west so they become radicalized which further endangers minorities And also Gaza and the west bank aren't nearly as bad when it comes to this stuff as other places in the middleeast

[@tempomi760]

Very good video! The whole “cHiCkEnS fOr kFC!” nonsense is a really annoying talking point I’ve seen online, and I’m glad you went and debunked that. Can’t wait for the next video! ❤🇵🇸

[@BahamutCat_Lover33]

If everything kel does is canon, kel is now my least favorite character.

[@ldavi296]

​@@BahamutCat_Lover33f Ukraine

[@BahamutCat_Lover33]

@@ldavi296 Congrats. You achieved nothing.

[@rocketleague2640]

I just really want to give you a big hug for some reason

[@jeckjeck3119]

Me too, his/her/their stance is Souse ide.

[@josephkessler5831]

No nation or political party is more righteous than another (Psalm 2; Acts 10:34).

[@stubbwinkley4015]

@@josephkessler5831 Do you actually believe that?

[@saiv46]

I expected reactions, but instead got another bullshit video where Israel and "zionists" are blamed. Got disappointed in another queer. Using the same phrasing as DDD: "The problem with this video is that it’s stupid"

[@skylordthe1st]

Well God damn it you changed my opinion again with logic. Good job

[@ravenvalentine4919]

what logic ? dude even if the '' logic'' was sound, its based on mostly faulty premises because reality and facts disagree, your people make me wanna bang my head against a wall lol

[@Marlin123]

Just admit that this entire video was just an excuse to show your plushie collection.

[@ariace3602]

From the river to the sea

[@ariace3602]

@@rabbidcrazy787 a call for freedom does not equate to a call for oppression, they are in fact opposite.

[@CopyHeavenly]

And where should the Jews life if everything is cleared from the river to the sea?

[@maxthibodeau3627]

@@ariace3602 you dont even know what that saying means, its saying they are going to kill every Jewish person from the river to the sea.

[@saiv46]

@@CopyHeavenly That's what they don't tell you.

[@Gamer__Panda]

Please never stop using footage of you playing with balls as a backdrop ❤

[@ariace3602]

Free Palestine! End the Crime!! Let Justice Shine!!!

[@ariace3602]

@@rabbidcrazy787 not hate, but to end of the occupation and oppression of Palestinians. It's sad to hear that your friend is in danger, inshallah they remain safe, Allah bless them. (Btw neat rabbids pfp, me and my lil bro loved the shiw especially the op)

[@ariace3602]

@@rabbidcrazy787 could you source the info about Hama's, this is the first time I'm hearing about that

[@freshmadgod]

I was scared when i saw the title. Thank you for using your platform

[@justarandomguy6794]

You don't have to be of a certain religion to stand up for Palestine. You just have to be a human with a heart

[@RobertMurphy-l3q]

And not knowing what Hamas is going to do

[@un4893]

the b-roll is so fucking funny lol, great job.

[@BROW4817]

This seems to be more about your movement than palestines.. The mental gymnastics you pull to make sure your insignia is front of “for Palestine”

[@Shimamon27]

Well, virtue signaling. That's exactly why I made the animation about it 🙂

[@cherrycolareal]

Except.. it doesn't. How do you think it does?

[@BROW4817]

@@cherrycolareal in order for queers to be accepted in a Palestinian state, a western colonialist state would have to be established. You see the conundrum?

[@BROW4817]

@@cherrycolareal you tell me lol. Why propagate a philosophy that directly contradicts with an Islamist run state. Being queer in Palestine would only be allowed if the country was under a completely revamped governmental system. There is no way to dodge that

[@sovietdoge.7369]

I think it's hypocritical for me to claim to support human rights and then ignore it when children are being killed in the thousands.

[@countdoku1430]

another banger as always Alex

[@Yamiherenow]

The thing is, the people who say "chicken for kfc" are the same people who want to see both the "chicken" and the "kfc" wiped out of the earth

[@saiv46]

Considering how chickens were breed into constant suffering from health issues. Yeah, not a great comparison

[@EugenieBeaublanc]

5:58 ground breaking commentary.

[@the7screw]

Hello I'm Israeli and I disagree, although homophobia is an issue within Israel the law does protect the rights of all its citizens, something that any form of an existing Palestinian authority does not. If you commit a hate crime in Israel you go to jail, if you commit a hate crime in Palestine you are following the law. I don't believe I'm going to be allowed to comment other arguments without my comment being deleted by KZbin, but if you're interested I would very much like to talk, if you reply I'm certain we could discuss things on a different platform.

[@slamwall9057]

Yeah I agree, DDD literally put edgy attack helicopter type jokes we all made when we were teenagers on the same level as actual honour killings

[@averyzeiler9686]

This is true but also… dawg look at the new police chief appointed in Tel Aviv 😭😭 I’m so scared that things are gonna get worse frfr

[@the7screw]

​@@averyzeiler9686I am very doubtful of that, I think Israeli institutions and base values run stronger than what a single minister in a single term in office can do. I understand Dani levy has had a few reports that showed some negative (H.phobic) personal opinions, but I can not confirm so directly so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. However if said reports do ring true as long as he puts his own opinions aside does his job well and enforces the law without exemption I do not see a problem arising.

[@rainbowmothraleo]

Point of the video: taking over someone else's land and committing genocide is not a good way to combat homophobia People in comments: but homophobia though

[@the7screw]

​@@rainbowmothraleocomment: addressing shortcomings of video and asking for a discussion politely Reply: disregards comment to... What exactly? Are you trying to convince me of something? Are you attempting to disrespect me? Are you saying I did not understand the video? Would you like to elaborate?

[@UrielOfStyx]

That 'What a wonderful country' (Erez Nehederet) bit really stings - especially considering these guys were absolutely ruthless in the second Lebanon war episode, which made a mockery of pretty much all of the bullshit from all sides (an episode which was blacklisted for a while for being 'grossly offensive' by the network). Also while this whole thing is a complete shitshow in terms of how we got here (I won't go into it here - it's 8AM and I'm tired of it all really), thank you for the nuanced and good faith (ugh) take Alex. Though I can cringe at some protesters on occasion, it's is great that they are still going at it - keep at it fellas. Edit: Here's a song which they preformed in mangled Hebrew/English called 'Fall on you Til (missle)' kzbin.info/www/bejne/pp3Hon6qorOWmdE by 'X-Plane' (lmao those guys), which was one of the big reasons for the blacklist (Hey, at least someone at the top got the sarcasm).

[@dockill8591]

The question is, have you tried speaking to people of pure Palestinian descent about their views? Do you support LGBTQ+ individuals? My brother-in-law, who is gay, was almost attacked with a knife by a Palestinian man

[@The-official-grindel]

I was literally just researching the lgbtq movement of the 60s-70s for history class when I watched this, great video!

[@pinetreesquad2375]

Garfield is anti apartheid💪🏽💪🏽

[@galaxyrend]

9:22 LOOK GARY THERE I AM

[@AspensRot]

LETSGO NEW UPLOAD!!!

[@AspensRot]

Holy shit I can’t believe the elevator shot got used in this video, I’m honestly so honored

[@DokiDokiDiscourse]

when you get a shot like the elevator shot, you use the elevator shot also, hi broski

[@AspensRot]

@@DokiDokiDiscourse hey you found me! :D

[@xX_Berrie_Black_Xx]

2:50 Nepeta cameo Nepeta cameo omg iz Nepeta Leijon from hit webcomic Homestuck.

[@averyzeiler9686]

I have my own critiques of both this video and the Queers for Palestine movement - notably, a detachment from the rich history of Palestinian rejectionism and how it has fueled the conflict to this day (manifesting in Hamas) - but it’s necessary to admit that these critiques are overshadowed by those of right-wing, (primarily) non-Jewish homophobes who prefer to use their disdain for queer people as a bludgeoning tool against those who care about Palestinian human rights, rather than suggesting ways in which their advocacy could be more effective. The presentation of “Zionism == colonialism” is also historically inaccurate (as Zionism was a movement to re-establish a Jewish homeland for global Jewry fleeing persecution), yet there is so much intellectual dishonesty committed by those same right-wingers who refuse to acknowledge the negative impacts that KAHANIST*** politics and the settlement movement (which only really began after the six-day war, 1967) have had on both Palestinian civilians and Palestinian organizing to build up effective social and political institutions. TLDR I take issue with both people who attempt to boil this issue down to a simple zero-sum game, and also those who present the issue as “complex” only to deny any discussion of that aforementioned complexity.

[@averyzeiler9686]

As a sidenote, I participated in a Pride parade this year with a Jewish contingent, and we had to hire several dozen security guards as there was a group of “queers for Palestine” counterprotestors who attempted to physically assault us at the end of the parade. So the antisemitism of this movement cannot be understated.

[@averyzeiler9686]

And for what it’s worth - I adore your other videos. So this critique is coming from a place of love ❤❤

[@doggodoggo3000]

"Palestinian Rejectionism" is a racist trope. When you look into most of the cases the terms being offered are always a joke. Bad deals any sensible person would turn down. This goes all the way back to the Balfour Declaration in 1917 when THE BRITISH DECLARED its support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine. THERE WERE ALREADY PEOPLE THERE AND A FOREIGN POWER IS STEPPING IN AND SAYING HEY WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A COUNTRY HERE. NATURALLY they would wouldnt love that. "Unsurprisingly, Palestinians wholeheartedly opposed this declaration, which saw an imperial power promise their land to another people. The declaration sparked protests that continue to this day on the anniversary of its issuance. In a notable feat of historical revisionism, Israeli leadership uses Palestinian opposition to the Balfour declaration as one of the first examples of Palestinian rejection of coexistence and rights for all." THERE WERE ALREADY JEWISH PEOPLE LIVING THERE!

[@vincesolari294]

i got a "OneforIsrael" Ad in the end of the video just so you know.

[@karinababy6557]

I feel like protesting against genocide shouldn't be forgotten as this horrifying genocide is 8 months now. There are also gays in Palestine, and pride should be against pink washing!!! Countries that don't have a pride parade or wear glitter and parade around in thongs isn't a reason to dehumanize them, as these people are under occupation and are oppressed.

[@buggypc9753]

Cool swag, yo. Perhaps one day I can obtain such swag.

[@blankcanvasstudios3463]

Free Palestine 🍉

[@281992pdr]

The responsibility for almost all the outrageous suffering of the benighted people of Gaza and Lebanon lies squarely with both Hamas and Hezbollah, who have publicly, separately, stated “Our nations are nations of martyrs”. Those are the public statements by the religious despots who wave away the deaths of their minions. It means: “We don’t give one flying f*c* for civilian casualties because they will all get a reward in heaven”. Sami Abu Zuhri is a senior spokesman for Hamas who several years ago stated: “The policy of people confronting Israeli warplanes with their bare chests in order to protect their homes has proven effective … we in Hamas call upon our people to adopt this policy …” Hamas does not build bomb shelters and will not allow civilians to seek succour in the network of tunnels. Rest assured there will be an endless supply of martyrs. A murderous obscenity. (PS Also looking forward to "QFP" denouncing the wall built by Egypt to keep Gazans fleeing to their co-religionists. TIA.)

[@MrBloodcore]

I watched this video hoping it would explain the "Queers for Palestine" conundrum, as I myself have made the "Chickens for KFC" comparison. If it was indeed just about queers being against genocide, why not say "Queers Against Genocide" Or "Queers Against Israel" or something along those lines? The "Queers for Palestine" suggests (if not literally says) that Palestine is being supported as is.

[@gilberthamilton9312]

If you watched then you should realize that there is no conundrum. "Queers Against X" - Which X? "Queers Against Israel" - They aren't against Israel. Also oh wow would that be met with accusations of antisemitism. No shorthand slogan is going to express what needs to be expressed with unassailable perfection. If someone wants to maliciously misinterpret you, they are going to.

[@BrianS1981]

Where does muslim homophobia come from? Judaism, it is the progenitor religion for all modern forms of homophobia.

[@koffiecake]

Honestly the term queers for palestinians just seems narcisistic to me. Taking the focus away from what you're tlaking about (Palestine) and putting it on you and how you're queer. And people saying queer for palestine started before people tried to use gays as a reason to support Israel(Which isn't very common)

[@Shimamon27]

Well, that's the whole point of my animations... It's all about virtue signaling. They don't really know anything about the place they support, they only want to exclaim that they "support the current thing".

[@404maxnotfound]

Side note love your shirt.

[@nfd9001]

You seem a bit mixed up about the extent and context of the attack in the beginning: this wasn't an attack on a single music festival-it was an attack on several kibbutzim (read: communal farmsteads), one village, one military base near kibbutz Re'im, two different unconnected music festivals located around some of those kibbutzim (the larger of which was celebrating Sukkot), and some other smaller groups spread between those kibbutzim. There was a simultaneous rocket attack (mostly Qassams, which are not accurate enough to target military objectives and are just launched vaguely at population centers): Hamas's commander Mohammad Deif claimed they launched about 5,000 and Israeli sources reported about 3,000; these killed about five people, mostly due to Israel's missile defense batteries. I wouldn't necessarily expect you to launch into that much detail at the beginning of an essay like this one, but a gaffe like rounding everything off to "it was an attack on a music festival" kinda makes it feel like you haven't googled the basic events that unfolded during al-Aqsa Flood at any point in the past seven months or so beyond what you needed to screenshot that one graph. I'd suggest doing a bit more due diligence on stuff like that in the future: I want to listen to high-quality critiques of Stuff That's Happened and getting the broadest details right does a lot for a commentator's credibility

[@LaceJellyfish]

Ok yeah you missed the point of the video a bit then.

[@nfd9001]

@@LaceJellyfish that's a bit of a confusing reply to me; I didn't say anything at all about the main content of the video. I think I would've needed to talk about it and get something wrong about it for anyone to have any takeaway about my conclusions

[@LaceJellyfish]

@@nfd9001 Your confusion at my reply is understandable.

[@trevorchabot864]

@@LaceJellyfish I hope someday you realize that Palestine doesn't want to negotiate. They want to terrorize, to eliminate all Jews. "You don't negotiate with terrorists."

[@mg_bon1073]

We aren't robots who will accept violence as heavy as this, when we know better. We have knowledge and we know what this can lead to. I've finally been able to understand politics because of a teacher I had so I never truly understood the severity as a kid. But it still was a bad feeling, it made me hopeful that these generations don't accept genocide as a solution. Especially when people can't even see past their edgyness to realize just how ineffective bombing people can be. The hostages that Isreali government claims to care about have likely died for a greedy cause of their own government. Who doesn’t even care about the lives of their own people, they're used literally like pawns. Kids are fed some crazy shit if they stuff like they do in live chats. It just shows a side of manipulation from the Isreali government. The people still under the belief that the Israeli government cares about their online supporters and protesters is a joke. If they could they probably would take the US down too. Palestine has shown more times in both their actions and words and nothing people claim can change that. Especially when it comes to those who know how to use a brain cell or 5.

[@themar.i.per3374]

As an Israeli i see how you are sometimes misrepresented in the media. But there are still some branches of protestors who act inappropriately and because of that only their actions are talked about in the media so listening to the other side would be a lot more difficult. I only want us Israelis and Palestinians living in peace. Weather if we’ll have two different states or a single unified state.

[@jeckjeck3119]

Do y also want to walk on the moon? Peace requires a desire from boths sides, P wants NONE. Deir whole identuty is based on extincting y.

[@LAmusic2023]

And they chant death to you 😂

[@jeckjeck3119]

Naive fool.

[@Shimamon27]

Peace is impossible.

[@jeckjeck3119]

@@Shimamon27 Nor do Palez dez erve S Any.

[@otoyayamaguchi9279]

chickens for kfc

[@EugenieBeaublanc]

Why are you messing with balls the entire video?

[@LaceJellyfish]

There’s probably an argument to be made for KZbin being less likely to take down the video if they are using that footage often (because KZbin often doesn’t like these type of topics discussed so they take down videos that the algorithm picks up- in the audio and/or video- has the relevant keywords or images), but I like to think it’s because they are having fun and think the footage is entertaining, even if only to make the subject talked about in the video less intense to digest by contrast of its simplicity and positive implications.

[@thiccbonkus]

They take after their mom

[@teamkilled1227]

that's what she said

[@Saskiaham]

jeffrey dalmer was gay, doesnt mean I support some kind of cannible

[@wolfkelli5077]

Fuck, you have the same shirt I literally bought yesterday but mine's non binary

[@Cosmid_]

Your shirt goes hard

[@battledroid7628]

People ignore fundamental reasons for the reaction that Israel had to Palestine attacking them. A ceasefire would not end the conflict, only the removal and unfortunately the pacification of Palestine will. I don’t support things like the IDF leveling residential buildings and setting up what are essentially concentration camps, those conditions are abhorrent and honestly, some people justify that aspect way to hard. But what people on the other side seem to forget is that Hamas was elected to power democratically, and quite literally has, in its charter a clause about the annihilation of jews. They have to be removed in order for the conflict to end. A 2 state solution was not made impossible because of Israel, it was made impossible because of Hamas. Kind of a side tangent, but do people also realize why Palestinians are so marginalized within the region? It’s because of rampant terrorist attacks and suicide bombings that have killed, at lowest hundreds of Israelis over the years, and heavily injured and crippled thousands. They set up these precautions not for the fun of it, but because of the president some Palestinians have set. Look at the Wikipedia article for terrorist attacks in Israel committed by Palestinian bombers, and you will understand. I want to reiterate this one last time, I want this conflict to end peacefully, I want this conflict to end with both Israelis and Palestinians to peacefully coexist in the land they both call home, but right now that seems impossible.

[@nighteule]

I want to assume you mean well, you just need to do more reading beyond Israel's talking points and wikipedia. You could start with B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights org, and Ilan Pappe, an Israeli historian.

[@nighteule]

A few points: - You're not talking about their current charter - Israel does not want a 2 states solution, and many Israeli officials (past and present) have not only said as much publicly, have actively worked against it - Hamas, while not by any means good or perfect, are a resistance group. You do not simply remove such a group, as the more you devastate the civilian population the more people have nothing to lose and join them - Occupation is not a "precaution", nor did it start after terror attacks began. Occupation caused attacks, not the other way around - A peaceful end to this comes with a ceasefire and an end to the occupation in both Gaza and the West Bank. There is no such thing as a peaceful apartheid. You establish one state with equal rights for both Jewish and Palestinian people, give Palestinians a right to return to their stolen homes, make settlements illegal, and police crimes that do happen as any sane country would (not through military courts)

[@battledroid7628]

@@nighteule 1. Could be true, i read a version, but could be outdated. It is also possible that if the change was recent it could have been made as a publicity move, but i am not certain of this 2. This is true, and I disagree with Israel on this. I agree with them on some things they have done as I said, but this is not black and white so I’ll admit that they are not innocent entirely here either 3. I do think the abolishment of Hamas was a needed position to end the conflict, they are a symptom of the issues and not a random group that popped up. Both the Israeli and Palestinian governments are acting against the interests of everybody in the region (understatement of the century) but I would have more sympathy for Hamas if they didn’t target civilians (once again restating, I don’t support the IDF leveling cities, looking at the rubble is abhorrent, almost like a modern day Dresden) but Hamas as a party needs to be removed, just as Israel needs to reform. (WILL FINISH LATER, HAVE TO DO STUFF NOW)

[@nighteule]

@@battledroid7628 They updated their charter in 2017, replacing the 1988 one. Hamas is indeed a symptom of Israel's occupation, one that I agree must go. It is not something that can be removed militarily, however

[@slamwall9057]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@nighteuleresponses: 1) Their 2017 charter was only written for PR purposes. They clearly don’t mean anything it says 2) The only reason why Israel turned against a 2-state solution is because Palestinian terrorist groups sabotaged the peace process in order to use their newfound power to launch terror attacks against Israel civilians 3) Hamas are not a resistance group. They are a Gazan offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, and began as an Islamic charity dedicated to helping Gazans improve their lives, before turning radical in the 90s as a result of religious opposition to the peace process. They then seized power in Gaza in 2007, and have been exploiting the Gazan population ever since 4) Occupation did not bring the attacks. The attacks began in the 1920s, long before there was any occupation 5) An Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and Gaza will not work, and neither will a one-state solution, simply because of how radicalised much of the Middle Eastern population is. Non-Muslims are treated horribly in literally every Muslim majority country, so a one-state solution could never bring peace. The only way how peace can be achieved is if new factions emerge within the Palestinian political climate that abandon their dream of destroying Israel, but this seems incredibly unlikely to happen in the near future

[@potato6436]

Theyn don't want your support

[@jweaver9089]

happy gay to you too

[@Squidality]

Great video. I genuinely don't understand the people who think opposing Israeli military action is somehow an endorsement of anti-LGBTQ violence in Palestine. I wouldn't support indiscriminately bombing places like Florida, but that doesn't mean I support everything the Florida government does. Quick note: At about 11:48, you point out that the animation placed a "MAP flag" in the room of their LGBTQ character. You then said that "MAP" is a psyop to "convince people that the queer community was accepting minor attracted persons into their ranks." At best, this is about equal parts true and false. You are correct that is a MAP flag (although it's at an odd orientation). As for calling it a psyop, yes, people on the Right do try to conflate the stigma around MAPs with the queer community in general. However, MAPs are real people, and the acronym existed for years before the Right and/or 4chan began to weaponize it. Claiming that the existence of a real minority is merely a psyop is never a good look. As for convincing people that the queer community accepts MAPs within their ranks, the Right sure likes to promote that idea (again, weaponizing the stigma) but the reality is murkier. Many members of the queer community strongly reject any claimed association with the MAP community, but the queer community is not a monolith or a top down organization. Some queer community members acknowledge that, like other orientations, minor attraction is not chosen, not changeable, and not a reflection of one's morality or character. Like other orientations, it typically first manifests around puberty, and remains throughout one's life. Many MAPs are oriented towards adults as well. Consider: A bisexual person who is non-binary. Queer, right? Now, imagine they also experience attraction to minors in a way that is functionally equivalent to their bisexuality. They are a MAP, but they are still queer. So, while it may not be popular to acknowledge, many MAPs are queer regardless of their MAP identity. Dr Allyn Walker (a queer person themselves) is a researcher who studies MAPs. In the introduction of their 2021 book, "A Long, Dark Shadow: Minor-Attracted People and Their Pursuit of Dignity," they go over research and arguments for calling minor attraction a sexual orientation. On pg.8, they write "If an enduring attraction to minors constitutes a sexual orientation, and if queer populations are individuals with non-normative sexual orientations, certainly MAPs apply under the larger queer umbrella." Of course, that doesn't mean the broader queer community is going to openly recognize that any time soon, but you can't deny someone's queer identity under the basis that you don't like or understand it. On that note, I'll leave you with one more quote from Allyn's book, same page, next paragraph. They write: "I can't begrudge other queer individuals who do not want to be associated with a population assumed to be child molesters; however, it's also important to realize that unfounded and reductive historical claims of queer individuals' supposedly predatory behaviors mirror today's assumptions about MAPs. It is a common belief in today's society that minor-attracted individuals are all offenders, which is a flawed assumption that contributes to the stigma felt by MAPs. The tendency of queer communities to distance themselves from MAPs indicates either agreement with that erroneous belief or a willingness to prioritize the wellbeing of SOME queer people at the expense of others." Happy Pride Month to you and the whole queer community.

[@knowingpigeon3142]

L + ratio

[@sadboat1657]

Not all people are worth including and thats something we need to accept

[@Squidality]

@@sadboat1657 Not worth including? What do you think makes a person less worthy of dignity and acceptance? It seems pretty hypocritical to deny someone's identity on the basis that they are widely misunderstood. You wouldn't happen to be a TERF as well, would you?

[@sadboat1657]

@@Squidality I dont feel the need to include all people because all people are not worth inclusion based on what harm they cause to the whole, so no I dont welcome pedos with open arms due to the damage they cause to children, I dont even believe that youre "radically inclusive" because if I was a lesbian and a TERF and voted for Trump or whatever Id be on the outside wouldnt I

[@sadboat1657]

@@Squidality Stop running defense for pedophiles

[@atticmusicgggg]

This is the "therefore otherside good" fallacy. Is Israel doing warcrime? Yes. But Hamas has promised this style attack over and over again and has a history of breaking ceasefire, so agreeing to ceasefire is just pushing the problem forward. You have to add the initial high casualty of every military response to see the "permanent" ceasefire not make sense. I don't claim to have a solution here. Just don't think anyone who claim they have a solution really do. Is Israel apartheid? Yes, but under Islamic law, non-muslims needs to pay a Jizya and acknowledge humiliation (this is only one of the different treatment). Treating people with different religion differently this is by definition an apartheid. I don't think yelling "from the river to the sea" is anti-semetic, but Palestine won't really be free, you get a theocratic ethno-state, there's no need to romanticize it. Mostly there's the crowd where Israel can't do anything wrong, and there's the crowd where Palestinians can't do anything wrong. But you really have to analyses issue for issue and sometime bothside could be wrong.

[@bootyspoon4675]

"Yes Israel is bad but KHAAAAMAS" bro stfu nobody cares. Stop being a genocidal apartheid state. It's that simple.

[@trevorchabot864]

In Israel, there are 1.6 million Arab citizens integrated within Israeli society.

[@trevorchabot864]

Arabs in Israel have more fundamental rights than other Islamic and Arab countries in the Middle East. Ironically, they have more rights than they do in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank.

[@trevorchabot864]

Israeli Arabs have their own political parties in the Knesset -- some of whom are Israel's harshest critics.

[@trevorchabot864]

An Arab judge, George Karra, sentenced an ex-Israeli president Moshe Katsav to prison for seven years. When an Arab judge sentences a former Israeli president to jail -- this is truly a testament to Israel's equality amongst all citizens, regardless of race or ethnicity.

[@jonahmsl]

I can... almost applaud you for this. The one problem I have is that you treat Israel as a colony, which it just isn't. Yes, it does and has committed war crimes, yes it has ethnically cleansed about half the arguably native Palestinians, but it is no longer a colony. Israel's people mostly have no other country to call home, so talking about the country as if it is a colonial enterprise full of people who could just go back to wherever they came from is just wrong. Israel is here, and even if some of its policies, doctrines and actions can and should be changed for the betterment of everyone, the country, state, and people are there to stay, and so Israel just isn't a colony. I appreciate the consistent fact and logic-based content you create and arguments you pose, and so it's especially disappointing when you unjustly call an entire nation and people, a colony.

[@bootyspoon4675]

It's worse than a colony. It's a crusader state and it needs to be abolished so jews and arabs can live in peace.

[@taylor6528]

i mean like ... most americans couldn't just go back to whatever country their ancestors immigrated from, either, but that doesn't make it any less a colonial project?

[@Ксавиор36]

Read Theodore Hertzel and Ilan Pappe and you will see how Israel is a settler colonial project

[@jonahmsl]

@@taylor6528 I'd argue that America isn't a colonial project anymore, since like Israel, America, its government, and its people, have developed ties to the land and cannot simply be expelled from it.

[@TheDizzieC]

It's a colonial enterprise in the sense that it is a country doing a colonialism, just in land right next to it instead of say, across an ocean. Britain is also a colonial enterprise.

[@GDRhythmic]

Havent finished the video yet (since thats literally impossible it's only been 8 minutes but haaiiii :3

[@twinsgardening896]

Is there any way you would be able to increase the volume for this? I have my computer and youtube at 100% volume but it's still a little hard to hear :(

[@ariace3602]

yeo something on my oen laptop, I use earphones

[@Sugar3Glider]

Free Palestine

[@SemperFi4evr]

Where are the Queers for Syria, or the Queers for Myanmar or for Sudan or the genocide of the Uyghers.

[@fashikomeiji7170]

The Sudan one I know exists, People do recognize the genocide atleast in Sudan aswell and the Congo. The only issue is that the Israel vs Palestine conflict is so blatantly shown with footage of innocent Palestinian citizens being literally slaughter, rather than the people Israel says they are slaughtering. While the other genocides, unfortunately are less known as there's less footage showing it happening, so while it is happening.. not many people know of it compared to the Israel v Palestine conflict.

[@SemperFi4evr]

@@fashikomeiji7170 Show me the evidence of Palestinians being slaughtered. Unlike the overwhelming evidence of Rohingyas being murdered in Myanmar, with over 180,000 dead, tens of thousands of women raped, and over 700,000 refugees. In Syria with close to 600,000 dead and 7 million displaced refugees. In Yemen, nearly 300,000 have been killed in ethnic fighting. The Uyghurs, with a documented database of at least 15,000, were murdered but the numbers are highly contested. Some Uyghurs are being murdered for organ harvesting, and there's forced sterilization of women and forced labor with over 2 million being held in prison work camps. Or the murder and mass killings in South Sudan, Somalia, and Nigeria. Not to mention conflicts in Indonesia, Thailand, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. And that doesn't even include the Russian invasion of Ukraine, with over 12,000 civilians and 310,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed, and more than 600,000 Russian soldiers killed and 137,000 wounded. But let's talk about the Israelis since everyone likes to bash them, they are responding to an attack on their sovereignty where 1200 innocent civilians were massacred (including the beheading of women and children) and where children, women, and old people were taken hostage. An attack that has not stopped as Hamas is still fighting, and where now Hezbollah Iran, and even Yemen have joined in. Israel has gone over backward trying to minimize casualties to below even the collateral damage the USA has maintained in its battle against ISIS, the Taliban, and al-Qaida where people in Afghanistan have suffered with over 104000 civilians(a significant underestimation), 70,000 Afghan military and police, and 60,000 plus opposition fighters. With 2.6 million refugees.

[@ntks6720]

Shhhhu

[@SemperFi4evr]

@@fashikomeiji7170 Show me the evidence of Palestinians being slaughtered. Where is the evidence of Palestinians being slaughtered? Unlike the overwhelming evidence of Rohingyas being murdered in Myanmar, with over 180,000 dead, tens of thousands of women raped, and over 700,000 refugees. In Syria with close to 600,000 dead and 7 million displaced refugees. In Yemen, nearly 300,000 have been killed in ethnic fighting. The Uyghurs, with a documented database of at least 15,000, were murdered for organ harvesting, forced sterilization of women, and also forced labor, with over 2 million being held in prison work camps. Or the murder and mass killings in South Sudan, Somalia, and Nigeria. Not to mention conflicts in Indonesia, Thailand, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan. And that doesn't even include the Russian invasion of Ukraine, with over 12,000 civilians and 310,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed, and more than 600,000 Russian soldiers killed and 137,000 wounded. But let's talk about the Israelis since everyone likes to bash them. They are responding to an attack on their sovereignty where 1200 innocent civilians were massacred (including the beheading of women and children) and where children, women, and old people were taken hostage. An attack that has not stopped as Hamas is still fighting, and where now Hezbollah, Iran, and even Yemen have joined in. Israel has bent over backward, trying to minimize casualties to below even the collateral damage the USA has maintained in its battle against ISIS, the Taliban, and al-Qaida, where people in Afghanistan have suffered with over 104000 civilians (a significant underestimation), 70,000 Afghan military and police, and 60,000 plus opposition fighters.

[@nborn-u3k]

Yes yess go to gaze for a visit . Thay have their a great deal of fun for you guys

[@morbidsearch]

This point was literally brought up in the video. Stop commenting on videos you haven't watched

[@nborn-u3k]

Hard fact and true need to be repeated

[@rickdingenenzo]

You don't have to support Islam to support human rights. I think that Islam's homophobia (and various other serious flaws) is horrible, but that doesn't mean I think everyone who follows it should die, however I think that through cultural progress we will eventually resolve the issue.

[@nborn-u3k]

Israel does not want any war the other way we want peace , we have in israel arabs in the high Court, great doctors and proffessors, we have them also servicing the police and idf. We have almost every week a terrorist attack by terrorists. We are welcome all of you to israel to see for your self the facts and what really going on . we are a peaceful country surrounded with lots that dosent want us here beacouse we simply jewish . pro Palestinian need to recognize when some group call to eliminated jawish or israel openly , isn't that weird ?? Try to Look for pro Israeli that wish to kill all islam . By the way, we have also arabs that murdered by hamas in that war , thay villages also bombarded. Actually arabic is a second language in israel , we write in Arabic as well all over . Arab student get high diploma with lots of help from the government. One thing that need to be clear, we are dealing with culture here and the gap is huge. I'll give example the respect in arabs family , that is a big deal , one of the thing we trying to deal with is "A family member can't go and murder his sister beacons she is love with some guy that family don't like" . We and the rest of the world dealing with a culture think that to kill is not abig deal . You really think that this dude give a sh>* about your right . Peace and love for every God creation

[@Myladyinred999]

@@rickdingenenzo Yeah, we will eventually solve the issue- but with a cease fire and just accepting that they won’t let the hostages go: How many people will have lost their lives? Compared to carrying on. We put people who endanger others in a prison for a reason and that’s not necessarily punishment. Sometimes you can only exist a situation by ending your attacker’s life. It’s terribly sad but that’s life unfortunately 😢 They decided to attack you and put you both in harms way to begin with.

[@josephkessler5831]

I don't blame anyone for compassion for Palestinian or Israeli people; just showing compassion to pepole of all ethnic groups (Acts 10:34). But, I think people shoot themselves in the foot by supporting an oppressive political group like Hamas, Nazis, or IDF (Isaiah 5:20).

[@Priscilamontini]

Queer for Palestinian? Are you serious?

[@morbidsearch]

Watch the video to find out why

[@Ontgo-dt9fc]

@zvezda4701 Nobody’s crying, they’re just concerned..

[@hge1895]

Hows your pager doing?

[@setsunatenma9467]

Chickens for KFC, or blacks for confedercy

[@TestTest-uo7zv]

"Pigs for slaughterhouse"

[@trevorchabot864]

You have a video overlay of you playing with a ball. Really? Leave the serious thinking to serious people.

[@rickdingenenzo]

Genuinely tell me, how is doing sports not "serious"? Does someone really need to be in a suit with a straight face sitting in a chair to be "serious"? If so, why does that even matter?

[@trevorchabot864]

@@rickdingenenzo it's akin to the TikTok models showing off their 'ass'ets while the caption reads "BLM", or "Save the Children".

[@trevorchabot864]

@@rickdingenenzo it's like doing a TikTok dance in front of your dying mother's hospital bed. I know you've seen the videos, if I have.

[@trevorchabot864]

​@@rickdingenenzo criticizing how Israel responds to the death, torture and sexual assault of their family members. Meanwhile, people in the comments, "Cool swag, yo. Perhaps one day I can obtain such swag."

[@markedtky]

Wait did you just argue they should negotiate with terrorists at the beginning? Should you explain what you mean by ceasefire? Coming from someone that doesn't know anything about this confict that's kind of important.

[@propernoun1583]

People only call it 'Settler colonialism' when technologically advanced Europeans are the ones taking control. The Ottomans, Persians, Indians, Chinese, and civilizations and tribes all over the Americas and Africa did the exact same thing for thousands of years. And no one is calling it 'Settler colonialism' when foreign immigrants from third-world countries move to European and North American countries, refuse to integrate into their new countries and provide a massive political crisis. Instead, they say they deserve to have their culture preserved? What about the cultures that had a system that was powerful enough to actually be capable of expansion and innovation? European society was far from perfect and was definitely in need of improvements, but it was Europeans and their descendants who invented modern medicine, motorized transportation, and the scientific method. While Europeans were crossing oceans and building empires, these dispersed tribal societies were literally between one and three thousand years behind culturally. Native Americans didn't even have written language, and the only reason they do now is because Jesuit priests took the time to make one based on what sounds they made. To this day, these same regions of the globe are still either corrupt, backward, economically ruined, or undergoing internal catastrophes not because they were colonized, but because when the powerful empires left, they abandoned these developing countries like a parent sending a child out into the streets to fend for themself. Otherwise, we'd see a rise of African and Middle Eastern superstates with Wakanda-type futuristic sci-fi technology because their system is 'so much better than those evil Westerners'. And yes, I do think it is justified to give up on trying to help someone who keeps refusing it. Hamas are terrorists, and if their children aren't allowed to grow up in a more stable and open environment, those children will grow up to be just as monstrous as those who raised them. Then you're left with the 'Kill Baby Hitler' thought experiment. No matter whether you think it is immoral to do that, it's worse to allow that baby to go down that path. By destroying the 'cultural traditions' and preventing the 'allowing of others to hold their own beliefs' some of the greatest crimes in human history could have been prevented. Also, no matter who is right or who is wrong, it's not our problem. The same people who complain about the United States manipulating and intervening in other countries are demanding that the United States put a stop to a conflict it has no part in. People living in Gaza have no love for gay people and have directly stated that they wish to see gay people put to death. Someone who wishes to intentionally harm others has no right to call foul if their opponent deems it a matter of national security to fully neutralize that threat, especially if acted on. If Hamas had any desire for a peaceful resolution, they wouldn't have launched a surprise attack and mass abduction. They would have used official channels to negotiate using third-party mediation, sidestepping all of this and ending all hostilities. The truth is, neither side wants to allow the other to exist, and as long as this doesn't change, that will never be the case. Any cease-fire that does not involve a Korea-style demilitarized zone and great power backing on both sides will simply be broken as soon as one side feels it can destroy the enemy. It would be better to let them both come to an agreement independently, on their own terms than it would be to force a peace neither side wants. Nothing short of a full division of the region into occupation zones with UN oversight and full demilitarization will ever resolve this conflict, and no government is willing to do something that extreme. I will not support Israel in its current state of government and doctrine, and I will not support or recognize Palestine as a reasonable defendant for the same reason. I personally believe in a three-state solution, with Jerusalem acting as an international free city under UN control, along with all culturally significant areas being accessible but uncontrolled by both sides, but I know this is unrealistic with the world we live in. In the end, a zero-state solution might be the result, but that is entirely up to those who actually have a dog in this fight. If they destroy each other, it's their own fault, and the West has no obligation to intervene in either way. If individuals want to do so, that's their own choice, but people have a right to support who they want. What people don't have the right to do is occupy and blockade private institutions like College campuses. Contrary to popular belief, post-secondary schools are not public property, and they have the right to set the rules on their own ground, especially in terms of unlawful destruction or vandalism of property, or censoring and suppression of controversial statements. The First Amendment only applies to actions from the government, which is not run by any government institution, as compared to public schools. That is equivalent to breaking into a person's house and setting up a blockade to their kitchen because you don't like who they choose to buy groceries from. The same applies to all social media platforms. They can't stop you from phoning your MP or senator and making a complaint, or picketing in a strike, but they can prevent you from using their privately owned and funded services to promote ideas that run contrary to their own agenda. In summary, this entire debate is pointless and all arguments are full of hypocrisy and false information. Just having a belief is not enough of a shield to prevent others from refusing to agree with it. As long as both sides are allowed to make arguments, no rights are being violated. If one side thinks the other is evil, they are allowed to think that and say that they think that as long as the other side is able to do the same. Essentially, I don't have to respect your beliefs as long as I respect that you are allowed to have them. A person is not defined by their feelings or beliefs, and attacking a belief is not the same as attacking or threatening them.

[@DokiDokiDiscourse]

holy yap

[@BenjaminWalburn]

You're doing everything you can to prove that liberalism is a disease, huh? All you care is arguing, huh? No rights are being violated when someone is being colonized, as long as they can complain about it? Just cut the shit and tell us that you love terrorists bro, it's faster that way.

[@yasspanda2559]

The mental gymanstics someone goes through to justify killing of children...

[@yasspanda2559]

The mental gymanstics, holy mackerel... Southeast Asian countries are thriving after kicking off European colonizers out of our countries, so your argument is down the trash. You can't justify g3nocid3. Ever.

[@propernoun1583]

@@DokiDokiDiscourse What is that supposed to mean?