Quentin Tarantino on Why He Thinks Movies Are Better Than TV Shows

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[@jamestaylor7593]

The problem with a lot of TV shows is they don't know when to stop!!!!!

[@FortuneFinders]

The walking dead *cough*

[@freethefoolish]

And movies do? Jaws franchise, Jurassic Park, the MCU, Pirates of the Caribbean, Fast and Furious, the entire horror genre, to name only some.

[@hellalive8973]

@@freethefoolishliterally thinking the same. Mission Impossible, Aliens, Predator, Star Wars

[@shawnsmith4692]

​@FortuneFinders the irony of the walking dead franchise is that it went on so long past its prime, it's now a walking corpse itself.

[@go_rizzo_grow]

@@shawnsmith4692 hahaha, and you're right

[@2Dman533]

A mini-series like a Band of brothers or Chernobyl is the best balance of both. It gets a little deeper into the story then a movie, but doesn't over stay its welcome like a seasonal TV series.

[@tomjenkins1989]

Brilliantly put!

[@atomicsmith]

Yeah, I think you’re right. The Wire could be seen as a collection of mini series, each one tells a complete story. That is a good model for how to do multiple seasons.

[@BothSidesAreStupid]

Yup. There’s a reason Chernobyl is one of the highest rated IMDB shows of all time

[@deflategate1297]

HBO is best at that. Love limited series

[@tomjenkins1989]

@@2Dman533 that Chernobyl is one of the most terrifying thing I’ve ever watched. It was brilliant yet horrific all at the same time.

[@emiliodaddio8517]

Tarantino’s passion for film is almost contagious.

[@johnsailorsgoat]

It IS contagious!

[@fangorito7918]

Really is

[@GyrusBeatz]

SUMMARIZED: Quentin is basically saying that shows show too much for too long. You can’t remember all dozens of characters they start to introduce 5 seasons down the line MOVIES ON THE OTHERHAND- you introduce your characters, the plot is quickly established, the setting is set, and you know there is a build up that YOU KNOW will come to a finish. Ultimately making movies a lot more rememorable and impactful because the audience is not being fed nonstop information for hours and hours and seasons and season on end. I like both. But I understand where Quentin is coming from

[@AinzWoolGown]

Yes Movies are plot stories TV shows are life stories

[@GyrusBeatz]

@ not necessarily, both of those are not something that is guaranteed when watching either medium. Take shows like The Flash Season 1 and compare it to season 5 of it. Different plots. Then compare a live action comedy like a This is The End to see if you get any life lesson from it you can carry with you day to day. It’s not so easy to just slap a one word label on either medium and call it that, both are very complex but at the same time (contradictingly) simple lol if that makes sense

[@amazing_bugboy2044]

Agree

[@spinblackcircles]

I think that’s what he’s trying to say but basically he just said a really good movie is better than a mediocre tv show lol. I thought that was obvious Homeland (basically just season 1 though) is a good example but so is breaking bad, deadwood, sopranos, the wire etc etc. I sure as hell remember the plot twists and events of those shows as well as I do any movie. Yellowstone was entertaining for a while but it was always a soap opera so I don’t understand comparing it to well written dramatic movies.

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

@GyrusBeatz The Walking Dead could have been a 4 hour epic film. Zero need for so many seasons. Turn to Christ for the salvation of your soul from hell to heaven, all who read this.

[@mattturner7531]

The first season of True Detective plays out like an 8 part epic. Ties in the past, to the present, to a new and unfolding plot - and resolves a massive mystery with two insanely detailed, complicated characters. The Rust getting caught up in the biker gang jacking the guy's house...and how he gets out of the whole situation - epic story presentation!

[@omarsalgado8408]

This: I always rave about the first season because it’s practically an 8 hour film. Brilliant season, probably the best singular season of any show.

[@acetate909]

Agreed. There are so many streaming sites and tv channels that most shows are bound to be bad or drag out. But AMC, HBO, Amazon, Apple, Netflix etc... have produced amazing series with a few 10 episode seasons. They don't drag on and also tell a longfrom story with top notch production and talented actors. There are more bad tv shows because they're produced significantly more than movies. But most movies are garbage so both entertainment mediums are guilty of over producing subpar product's. To say one medium is better than the other is asinine. There are great movies and great series, and each can be more effective to tell a particular story.

[@RatnoseMcWeinerson]

Man I watched season 1 n 2 about a year ago. Season 1 was badass n season 2 didn't disappoint. I feel like they had to have a bigger cast for season 2 cuz it wasnt as well written as the 1st

[@TheLakers81]

Agreed!

[@Luka2023-]

Season 1 of true detective is the great season of television ever made, Matthew Mcconaughay gave a performance of a lifetime. I rewatch that season once a year and every time I’m gripped

[@thetrickster5390]

The problem with TV is that most don't know when to stop and unfortunately that is a fatal flaw built into that format. A film stands alone, even if it's part of a franchise.

[@oddassembler]

They know when to stop. They choose not to for money

[@warlockofwordschannel7901]

>Cough cough cough< The Simpsons >cough cough

[@Mike7911779]

They don't when to stop AND they don't know if they will be canceled. Imagine having a great idea for a show. You put all those great ideas into one season. Now they say they want season two. Uh oh. I just used up all my great storytelling in season 1.

[@goochipoochie]

Breaking bad and Star wars thoroughly dismantle your entire argument

[@mikemaffe]

@@goochipoochieStar Wars is a horrible example, the later movies have been trash and only make money because of its rabid fanbase. They should’ve stopped 20+ years ago

[@christopherrobinson767]

I love watching Joe not being able to get a word in with Quentin Tarantino. Makes me laugh.

[@salrodriguez21]

Yeah Tarantino is just super passionate about movies. It’s great lol

[@richardconnor50]

I was just sat here thinking the exact same thing. It's unusual for Joe to relent so much.

[@deadbloomer]

If they are talking about cinema I only care about what Quentin has to say anyways

[@kulgan18]

well he makes his job easier.

[@britpackdog4545]

That's why Joe's good. It's not all about him, he's a generous host who knows it's the guests opinion that matters to the viewer

[@jordyortiz4211]

I met Tarantino at a Dunkirk screening (UK) and he's an awesome guy, very respectful and his mind is an amazing thing, I wish I could speak with him again

[@fatimateresa19]

Lucky you

[@scotchy88]

I love that he is still dedicated to cinema, not a quick buck Hollywood film like Gladiator II for example.

[@rc59191]

Man that movie was a disappointment.

[@jackhoff2189]

Feet

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

I don't like his films and I despise Joe Rogan, but Tarantino is correct here about "prestige TV." It's designed to hook you on cliffhangers for years and years, but it's rarely memorable or cumulative. You can't improve on the cinematic form, 90 to 120 minutes, tight plotting, purposeful shots... and the big screen rather than the small one. A few TV masterpieces that truly justify their runtime: True Detective first season. Top of the Lake first season. The Office UK. My Brilliant Friend. Wolf Hall. Succession. Industry, at least so far. Sopranos and Six Feet Under were both a couple seasons too long, but remain the yardsticks for prestige telly.

[@rosslane3602]

True Detective season 1 is another one that really hits, the ending was incredible.

[@V_X_D_I_M]

exactly what I was thinking

[@alienanxiety]

Oddly, Tarantino hated it. 😢

[@lodovico95]

​@@alienanxietyreally? Do you have a link of him talking about it?

[@notdreadyet33]

Season 2 was also really underrated. Season 3 was like watching paint dry and Season 4, whoever gave that pile of manure the greenlight needs to be fired.

[@purplehaze1274]

The ending was weak, really only the middle episodes were great.

[@jules8876]

The likes are OVER 9000!

[@hiufgterde]

Skipped season 2 -5 as it was boring, so movie would have been fine

[@IbnRushd-mv3fp]

Still would've worked the show is literally just a few key points...

[@acetate909]

Or hundreds of other series. Series are much better at adapting books or telling long form stories with extended arcs. To say one medium is better than the other is a pointless argument because they're set up to produce different products. I understand Quinten Tarantino is baised because he makes movies and this is just a snippet of a three hour interview, but it can be tedious listening to him speak for longer than 30 minutes. He's become such a pretentious narcissist that I almost don't want to hear him ramble about how great he is all the time because I love his movies and sometimes it's difficult to separate the art from the artist.

[@nicolaspalacios7827]

Breaking Bad is a masterpiece, if you could combine a ranking with Tv/movies it would be top 10 for me.

[@wafflezombie167]

Breaking Bad had a very clear ending and didn’t extend itself beyond what it was trying to accomplish. You get a show like Yellowstone which could be just as amazing as Breaking Bad, but doesn’t have a clear ending, and just seems to go on and on

[@danchiappe]

The problem with TV, even when it is “good”, is that the shows aren’t always written with the ending in mind. They keep going until they are canceled. A really good show should be a limited series with a clear story arc.

[@moonlightblade8934]

Though there are quite a few exceptions, I agree. True detective season 1 is a perfect example of what you’re saying

[@Whimzico]

This obviously doesn't work for shows like the office. Not every show is breaking bad. Every TV show now has to end at 5 seasons are all the fans spit and cry that it's the worst show of all time and they're dragging their feet. All tvs shows don't have to be building to a dramatic last stand.

[@danchiappe]

@@WhimzicoYou raise a good point. But don’t you think that most shows that don’t have a clear story arc become unwatchable after a while? I think The Office is a case in point. It would have been better if it ended after Jim and Pam got together. The later seasons are, for me, unwatchable with absurd plots. Seinfeld might be a better example of what you are saying, but Curb your enthusiasm I think is a better show because each season is tightly written with a clear end that it builds to and that puts the earlier episodes into a proper narrative. Any way thanks for your reply.

[@danchiappe]

@@moonlightblade8934True Detective season 1 is a masterpiece.

[@usernameonutube]

This or some use of non linearity that would allow a clear arc to be present even upon early cancellation

[@BushnoSkillzz]

Its not just that most TV shows dont know when to stop, it that they are written without an ending in mind. Its like narrative purgatory. The best shows are the ones made with ending already decided and every episode is made to move towards that ending

[@BlackSmokeDMax]

I agree. And in the cases that happens, TV is MUCH better than movies. Sad that it’s so rare.

[@jaggerlags]

TV is like the 1st and 2nd act of a movie if the 2nd act just kept reinventing itself over and over. For me what Quentin is saying is TV rarely writes a killer 3rd act (because they don’t want the money to end)- this deeply effects the overall structure. Good movies accomplish closure and that’s rare for a series.

[@ApostleMan222]

Well said

[@nicpreen]

That’s a great point.

[@robocopo1234]

Agreed

[@MrFoofarew]

this should be the top comment.

[@Hektop1]

That’s why I loved Beef

[@Crazysummerdays]

I think The Sopranos has still stayed with me all this time. I still go back to watching the show from time to time. Great show.

[@LiberatedMind1]

Wasn't the ending dumb?

[@HoustonsRealest]

@@LiberatedMind1I thought so at first, but Ive seen great analysis of what the multi choice perspective means depending on whether you think/wanted Tony to die or not. And I honestly have come to believe its a great ending.

[@TVsez]

Best show ever made for TV!

[@johnhicks1406]

Someone once said to me that it wasn’t Tony who got whacked but rather the audience were the ones who got whacked. I never heard that view before, but it made sense to me.

[@seltonk5136]

If you actually sit through those psychiatrist scenes or Carmella, you have some issues

[@Jmoney935]

Joe: "Why do you like Movies instead of TV Series?" Tarantino: "BECAUSE THEY"RE SO MUCH FUN JOE!"

[@shantheman9922]

"GET IT!!"

[@skillzorz101]

C'mon Jan!

[@radagast7200]

Oh... I thought this was Rodney Mackay...

[@TravisChristopher]

You can tell Joe finds Tarantino tiresome.

[@heinzii7834]

@@radagast7200 two ENTP's so that checks out.

[@vcam3331]

This conversation is like my dinners with my italian family. Nobody can ever finish a sentence without someone cutting them off 😂

[@eclark9965]

Yellowstone was a perfect example of this. First couple seasons go hard. And then at a certain point they just start drawing shit out and getting more ridiculous and pretty soon you’re watching a version of the a team with cowboy hats.

[@TheJordanK]

This last season is god awful

[@Mr_Hertz_Donut]

The whole show is awful!

[@davidjohnston8639]

I'm so glad to have someone else say that, I have been thinking the same thing, it got pretty hard to watch

[@Kennondlima]

Now I only watch Yellowstone for the acting. All of them are brilliant

[@coleworldcole9438]

Nah the walking dead had the game in a chokehold 😂😂

[@Walko-talko]

Rogan thinking Quentin would like ozark is adorable he thinks it’s like the best show ever lmao

[@Njbear7453]

@@Walko-talko I still haven’t even watched it lol, but I am a movie person

[@misutatomasu]

I gave up watching it after 2 episodes. It's horrible. You can tell he's never seen True Detective 1st season, Fargo or the wire.

[@IKIGAIofficial]

Ozark is breaking bad cucked version.

[@gwine7084]

If he liked a crap show like Yellowstone he could enjoy Ozark lol

[@Walko-talko]

@@gwine7084 maybe. Haven’t seen it. He also said he liked the first season, and sort of implied it got silly which is sort of the problem with most shows, and why it’s funny Rogan brought up ozarks and not sopranos or something that actually brought out the best of what a tv show can be.. ozarks is cool and entertaining but got so ridiculous after a certain point and had no vision for a full series rather just a splashy season one and go from ther.

[@Noortu1212]

At the end of the day, a good story is a good story, whether it's in a movie, show, or video game. It all comes down to how well it's written and executed. I’m open to any medium, whether it’s a standalone piece or part of a larger series with sequels, prequels, or multiple seasons, as long as the quality and care shine through.

[@Mrgokart1]

I dont think Ive ever agreed with a comment more than this

[@faririzki1422]

Agree, good story and not try to milking it dry, just ended in perfect ending

[@litpen8056]

You a politician?

[@darthkang_]

Great point, games are often overseen as a great medium for telling stories

[@ferociouzbeats4147]

@@litpen8056 That's like if someone asked which fruit is better orange or apples? Someone answers it depends, and you answer, are you a politician? lol. Not everything is about winning and competition or being right. His point is absolutely valid, different formats for different stories. Breaking bad would have been a mediocre movie, God knows video game live action adaptations are majorly horrible. I won't even start on anime adaptations. The media follows the kind of story you wanna tell not the other way around.

[@bawkray]

getting to watch another episode of your favorite show every night as a ritual is like getting to watch your favorite movie over and over "for the first time"

[@zezanje1]

ye but Quentin's point is that he is the kind of person that doesn't like stuff that isn't memorable and most shows aren't.

[@jamesdiaz7425]

BREAKING NEWS: Movie Director likes movies more than TV shows

[@Demion83]

I'm sure if he wanted to they would let him direct a tv series.

[@jackshafto9123]

Lmao

[@christopherking4932]

Agreed 🤝

[@Ratclawz]

😂😂

[@NE-lu7tn]

He has directed TV shows before.

[@Barfyman362.]

If a movie falls off in the end you wasted 1 1/2 to 2 hours. If a television show falls off it feels like you wasted years.

[@tomjoslin435]

See Walking Dead

[@robertsmith2088]

@@tomjoslin435 That's a stupid zombie show. I'd rather read up on something that actually blows my mind like quantum mechanics, or Shakespeare than a stupid popcorn tv show.

[@Mr.Saltwater]

TV show "Lost"... what a moment of just giving up by the last season.

[@sprycmg]

Game of Thrones…

[@SlicenDiceoooo]

@@robertsmith2088you’re pretentious af. It’s a very human show. The despair and dread is displayed perfectly.

[@davidortega3393]

I still think about Tony Soprano and George Costanza years after the show’s ended

[@europa]

Comedy sitcoms are different in general But talent was different back then

[@negativefishermen9286]

@@europasopranos wasn’t a comedy

[@dieseIboy]

@@negativefishermen9286 if you don’t think the Sopranos had humour and was a comedy mixed in with all the other aspects of it. Then you didn’t watch the Sopranos.

[@Demion83]

That was back when TV series ruled, and movies were kind of shit. I feel like that has switched.

[@negativefishermen9286]

@ it had plenty of comedic moments in the same way Scarface or the godfather had humor. But the movie’s purpose is not to be a comedy. I’ve watched the sopranos nearly ten times now. I can school you son.

[@seanmoriarty2]

He is so spot on here, it's disposable. We all forgot what happened last season whilst we watching other shows. Need a YT recap show to remind us. Meanwhile I remember everything about an awesome movie I watched in the 80s.

[@babavangaga]

Joe chiming in with 'Ozark' at 0:55 is hilarious

[@gianni206]

What a disappointment that show was

[@SuperTFRO]

Tarantino blew right by that comment. LOL

[@jimmygan801]

Ozark mid as fuck after season 2

[@BobSeevers]

​@@jimmygan801yes, good point. I really wanted it to be good, disappointed....

[@playz8538]

Worst joe opinion

[@angrykramer]

Breaking Bad, The Wire and even Game of Thrones has great set up and payoff’s I don't see myself ever forgetting.

[@tstret3104]

Game of thrones had a good payoff? Wtf are you smoking?

[@notvaas3093]

Game of thrones till season 6

[@angrykramer]

@@tstret3104 Not referring to ending of the show, but throughout the series

[@tstret3104]

@@notvaas3093 Nah, in order to justify itself as a great show all of the seasons must be at least consistently-ok. True Detective is the exception.

[@tstret3104]

@@angrykramer Season 7-8 were a considerable drop in quantity over the previous seasons. I loved the show but they ruined basically all of the characters plot/story lines.

[@freddyfox5002]

Series always gets dragged out to oblivion, until they lost all credit, but same can be said about sequels, and triquels(trilogies)

[@CptWhit3y]

They try to milk all the money/merchandise/etc out of it. Eventually the milk always spoils.

[@acetate909]

​@@CptWhit3y Ya, and that never happens in the movie industry. I'll finish this comment after I finish Transformers 15 and buy some transformers toys and video games for Chistmas.

[@landonic81]

With Yellowstone, 1883 and 1923 they take way too long to come out with the next season so you lose interest. Tyler Sheridan has too many shows going on. Dude needs to do one at a time

[@valdivia1234567]

@@landonic81 Agreed. He and Paramount are trying to cash in on the success while they can. I don't blame them at all, but the quality of Yellowstone went downhill after the first 3 seasons. It's just "Dallas" in a different location.

[@Shoobywoobey]

Setriloquies

[@ChrisP.Bacon008]

I’ll push back on Tarantino a little here. I’ll remember “1883” and “The Pacific” for the rest of my life, I watch them at least once a year. I’ve seen plenty of good movies that I respect, but will never watch again and will completely forget it. It’s about how the art affects you, not how the art is made.

[@williamtseng]

I get what he’s saying and I actually agree with Tarantino. And it makes shows like Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones that much better in that context.

[@ryanjosephdp]

This is the prime comment. Exactly precise. There are hundreds of AMAZING. Breathtaking almost perfect films. There’s like 5 perfect shows and it’s really not even close.

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

@@ryanjosephdpthere are even more movies that sucks then shows, shows just take longer to make do to… time lol

[@robertsmith2088]

@@ryanjosephdp It's because you can pack in a lot more great ideas in a film than you can in a stupid tv series. in TV series all the ideas become just far too diluted. Overall though I'd still rather read a great book than watch a great movie any day of the week. It's just a matter of practicality.

[@seedy80]

Game of Thrones is a bad example. They had no idea how to resolve the story.

[@edinibranovic9667]

Yeah, but those shows suffer from these exact issues that Quentin is talking about. For GoT it's obvious so I won't get into it... but Breaking Bad, a show everyone considers to be great television - even that show is too long. You could shorten season 1 a bit, and almost completely get rid of season 2, even shprten season 3 by an episode or two, and it would be better for it.

[@StuAus]

Hes not wrong. One of the problems with TV is they start great and if they get popular then the money men just want to keep it rolling for as long as possible so the story becomes less important and longevity becomes the goal. Basically greed over creativity.

[@manager4409]

I like two and a half men, it went 24 episodes per season lol. Total cash grab but it's funny

[@TimBooth-bc3vt]

If a movie nails it then 2 and a half hours is plenty to tell a story and make it good

[@aidankelly8747]

Depends on story depth and the conclusion you want for the main characters. The Dark Knight demonstrates this perfectly. But I find there are a lot of movies that are cut too short with a significant number of questions about the story/characters that audience members might have. To me it all comes down to the writing and the acting. There are a lot of movies out there that I completely forget about because the writing was mediocre and there was no 'awe' in the storyline. Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt's 'The Fall Guy' I've already forgotten about. There was no awe in the story. But Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Stranger Things, The Witcher, (some might say it's too political but if you look past it) The Boys, are all that COULD NOT work as a movie. There are simply too many factors in the storyline that they have no choice but to make it longer. All comes down to how well the writers, actors, and setting can grab your attention and keep it for the duration of the screentime.

[@joeodonnell921]

The amount of great things fitted into 'casablanca' is insane considering it's what 1hr 35mins

[@JJ-nu8qi]

Some movies can. But take LOTR or Dune. You need more then 90 minutes to really tell the stories.

[@arcguardian]

​@@JJ-nu8qithat's irrelevant, because u don't need every detail to make a good movie, including LOTR.

[@JJ-nu8qi]

@@arcguardian That depends. Some stories need more detail to explain the characters and world. Especially scifi and fantasy.

[@MOB_JD]

Qt loves to hear himself speak so much he never stops and interrupts everyone else while they're speaking 😂

[@emmi7883]

He’s exactly right. I never finish a series and feel satisfied. I ALWAYS feel like…oh. This was pointless.

[@schwabdizzle]

I hate watching a TV series knowing that there will be a next season and knowing there will be a cliff hanger and the end of the current season. That's why I am drawn to Mini-Series or showed like True Detective or Fargo where there is a new plot and a new set of characters.

[@doublestrokeroll]

Hmm....I've finished several that have conclusive well thought out endings. The Wire, Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Boardwalk Empire, Sopranos (though they did leave a couple of loose ends).

[@billymabum3514]

@@doublestrokerollwhat loose ends did the sopranos leave

[@zachdave2994]

Anthologies are better. True Detective and Fargo are some of the best that tie everything up in a neat if not sometimes unsettling bow at the end of each season. Breaking Bad, The Boys, Game of Thrones up to season 4, Mad Men, house of the dragon. They all got better as the seasons went on. Some shows like Daredevil, Loki, Preacher, Mandalorian, Peacemaker, and The Walking dead have a really great start that’s worth a watch. The rest of these series aren’t as good or have pacing issues but they’re still okay.

[@zachdave2994]

Ozark and heroes also come to mind, great starts! Heroes is especially unique.

[@freedomslunch]

I watch Trailer Park Boys over and over and over. I remember specific episodes, movies, and character arcs.

[@xHuie]

its the way she goes sometimes

[@zwiadra8982]

it's because you watch it over and over and over. Nvertheless Trailer Park Boys was a great series

[@yoyo-co3tx]

Smokes lets go. Tpb is the best

[@dominicklib8937]

it's just water under the fridge

[@freedomslunch]

@@zwiadra8982 I watch it over and over cuz it's great.

[@jawshwillis4288]

Quentin is right on about Yellowstone being soap. But that other guy is so wrong about Deadwood. The conflict between George Hearst, Sheriff Bullock, and Swedgin is far more impactful than the death of Wild Bill Hickok. The show down between Big Dan and Hearst’s man Captain Turner was a classic. IDK what that guy is talking about, I remember a lot about that show.

[@ayearinthelifeofanxietyjoe4413]

I completely agree. Deadwood was one of those rare shows that pissed me off because it ended and I wanted more.

[@kungfujones1]

@@ayearinthelifeofanxietyjoe4413 Same with Carnivale

[@DenEvigePeder]

I wish I could forget deadwood so I could watch it for the first time again.

[@jamesj9537]

@@ayearinthelifeofanxietyjoe4413Raised by Wolves was anither that got killed too soon. No one paid attention to it but i was absolutely mesmerized by it. It was wird and crazy but so good

[@walburk]

And Francis Wolcott! One of the sickest villains in tv history.

[@callummclean201]

Succession, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, The Wire, Line of Duty… best things I’ve seen and can remember every episode, sorry Quentin

[@KABOBkabob]

Mad Men

[@hefuiheifuhiu]

Film is much higher resolution. Also, ~37 hours of Succession would be ~15 top films. I fucking love Succession and rewatched it before each season (so I've seen many episodes MULTIPLE times). Still, no match. And it's a top tier series. Yeah.

[@Bensonater11]

Good lord imagine Quentin Tarantino and Neil Degrasse Tyson trying to have a conversation without talking over one another

[@imgrindin]

one if not both of their heads would fkn explode😂

[@jimmypeeps8471]

What do they have in common? Inflated egos. It's a turn off trait, don't mimic it folks. You're just making yourself less likable, trust me......

[@gordonsmith5589]

Great question lol

[@Ellemenohpee677]

I think it would end with Tarantino doing Neil in like Tony did Coco in the restaurant scene in Sopranos.

[@southsideman4891]

I would have to tap out. Early.

[@AymanB]

6:30 Neil Degrasse Tyson's interruptions were a WARM-UP for Tarantino's. 😂

[@PurpleT-Rex]

I still rather watch Tarantino than Tyson, Tyson interrupts in a more annoying way somehow. Tyson is condescending, self-centered, egocentric, and conceited. Also think Tyson’s politics has gotten the better of him, like even Bill Maher had to call him out.

[@imurpapa8120]

@@PurpleT-Rex bill maher wanted a scientist to comment on gender issues and he stayed quiet

[@Tonymaccer]

class

[@kyleaaron6325]

Interrupting what? Rogan had nothing interesting to contribute to the conversation.

[@ShreyanshSharma-k6g]

Red wedding

[@bayleighjones5881]

Broadwalk empire is a great series that feels like a movie every season

[@terry4137]

Yes, loved it!

[@ethanreich7034]

does exactly would tarentiono talked about building to something at the end of the season has hugge finales and big payoff at the end. its s as good as the other big hbo shows but always get slept on

[@RandomlyRandom2025]

First 2 seasons were great. Got a little hard to watch after that, TBH.

[@BienerSchnitzelCheekoroni]

Couldn't really get into it, prefer Peaky Blinders more

[@figmentofyourimagination5359]

You're missing out if you haven't seen Boardwalk. You're missing out if you haven't seen Peaky Blinders. I also think people are missing out if they don't do True Dectective SEASON 1. Also Justified, House, and Your Honor is my newest one. Half way through the 2nd season. Amazing series. Has Michael Stuhlbarg in it from Boardwalk. A good side mention for a TV show is Oz.

[@mikeydubbz1]

Sopranos,Breaking bad, The Wire , GOT, True Detective, I remember all the characters, villains plot points , certain scenes , I remember everything. I don’t know what he means when he says you forget with shows unlike a movie

[@vokoaxecer]

Better Call Saul

[@Njbear7453]

Mindhunter

[@Justforthefifteen]

Yeah. That’s just not true 😂 what are you? A pc?

[@cleverkittn]

Yes. Babylon 5

[@xd983]

all of these examples are likely not the shows he is talking about. his gripe (to my understand) is with shows that don't bother to lay out a compelling story, choosing to coast off the established characters that have been set up (and the drama between them)

[@TheKräken713]

Hes right some shows like Yellowstone are just soap opera

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

That's why it was a bad example to say that movies are better than TV shows. If he would have brought up Game of Thrones, it would be a different matter.

[@MadisonClemons8426]

So are movies though

[@marioiglesias4850]

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Game of Thrones is worse than Yellowstone, or at least as bad

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@marioiglesias4850 Yellowstone is more like the traditional soap operas. Game of Thrones every episode is a mini movie with dragons, etc....

[@TheVenge]

I appreciate that Quentin is talking about the interaction between the visceral and intellectual values of a movie vs a TV series, but a primary aspect that drives both before us is the fact that it is generally highly profitable to make the ones that are successful -- so much so that it is still generally profitable to make bad (and/or unpopular) ones as long as you make enough good ones.

[@Zakk-k3x]

Damn brother. Quentin really hit the nail on the head here. I love hearing him break down story structure, and the difference between short and long form. I'd love to hear his opinions on Kurosawa.

[@moneytimesfifteen]

Most TV shows just drag on until they become financially unviable. The "good" seasons are just the early ones where they're setting things up and asking questions. But they can't resolve too much or the story ends, so it just drags until people stop watching.

[@qcriverrat]

Just posted something similar. I think this applies to a ton of shows that people consider recent classics. Start off with a really good idea but after the main idea is concluded, they've got nowhere to go so it's just stuff happening until the show is canceled.

[@moneytimesfifteen]

@@qcriverrat Most of the best shows (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones before it outpaced the books) have some kind of end date built into the premise so they can stay on track with a long form story

[@Buskeeeeeeee]

I heavily disagree with this. You look at a show like the sopranos, the first season is a great start but compared to the rest of the show it’s incredibly cheesy. You can tell the writers were playing around with what exactly they wanted the show to be. The first seasons are usually rougher because the formula isn’t quite down yet. Then you get to season 5 of the sopranos, and you realize you’re watching a masterpiece.

[@bungalo50]

It is true that many great TV shows have lackluster "payoff" when compared to movies

[@beerosaurusrex]

And too much filler. A season of a show should never be set to 22-24, 12-13, or even 6 episodes. It should take what the story requires. If that means one season is 4 episodes, another is 7, another is 11, another is 5, then so be it. As soon as there's some arbitrary requirement (or one driven by factors not pertaining to the show, like streaming numbers or "content" or ads), then it's compromised.

[@arcguardian]

​@@beerosaurusrexor u can just not do filler, idc if it's 1000 episodes long, just so long as it isn't soap opera...

[@billnyethehornyguy4033]

You need to watch some better tv lol

[@Barfyman362.]

@@beerosaurusrex This is why television is worse, it's more corporate so you have to make the amount of episodes the network dictates. Episodic shows work better because they aren't stuck to a single arc, they have more leeway.

[@dougscott188]

Lost may win the prize for this.

[@jamesbranch2078]

100% agree, I can’t count the number of shows I’ve been recommended only to be told “it takes a couple of seasons before it gets REALLY good.” That standard doesn’t exist for movies

[@Globaldefense13]

QT is absolutely spot and right !!!! You will always remember 80s action stories but don't remember much about the tv show you had watched a year ago even .

[@Ed_Lima777]

This is why The Shield was so genius: it was episodic AND serialized at the same time. Top 3 series of all time along with Sopranos and whatever... take your pic.

[@raymondsims7042]

Agreed the shield and sopranos are both masterpieces

[@djdarklyceum]

As a self proclaimed TV connoisseur, I've had thoughts about watching The Shield as I've always known its kind of a hidden gem. I have Mad Men and Twin Peaks queued up, half way through finishing Mr Robot. Worth it broze?

[@raymondsims7042]

@@djdarklyceum I’ve seen all the shows you mentioned if I had to rank them all best to worst imo I’d go 1. Mr robot (one of the five best series I’ve ever watched absolute masterpiece) 2. The shield (one of the ten best shows I’ve seen, and easily one of the most consistently entertaining and well written shows out there. Absolutely worth watching you won’t much or maybe any more engaging shows. It’s phenomenal.) 3. Mad men (one of the top twenty-twenty five best series I’ve watched. Another masterpiece with some of the best writing and dialogue you’ll see in a tv show. The only reason it’s not quite as good as mr robot and the shield imo is because it lacks in terms of plot and can be a bit boring at times. Still nonetheless an incredible show from start to finish. 4. Twin peaks ( ranks somewhere in my top forty-fifty best series it definitely is the most unique/ambitious out of the four but easily the most flawed. It’s certainly an interesting show but I wouldn’t call it an overall great series although it could’ve been with different writers imo. I don’t want to 💩on it as I do think it’s worth viewing just for how unique and odd it truly is but not a masterpiece like the other three imo.

[@djdarklyceum]

@@raymondsims7042 Oh yeah forgot to mention Band of Brothers. Once I've done those 4 shows, I'll probs get The Shield.

[@raymondsims7042]

@@djdarklyceum I need to watch band of brothers

[@innegoniemam2870]

Than Battlestar Galactica (TV Series 2004-2009) was great movie because 15 years later I can still remember many impactful scenes from all 4 seasons.

[@kamu747]

I don't remember the details, but it was a great series. Still, I think it was great because they were few seasons. If it were like 10 seasons, it would have lost the plot.

[@224dot0dot0dot10]

​@@kamu747 Doesn't Battle Star Galactica (2004) have the same writer and same show runner as the "Star Trek : Voyager" TV show? So Star Trek Voyager and Battle Star Galactica (2004) were supposedly written by the same people weren't they?

[@judgegiant8951]

Ronald D Moore worked on Deep Space 9 and Voyager but got pissed off with the direction Voyager was going in so he left to do Battlestar. He also does "For all Mankind".

[@scarlz8719]

Seasons 1-2 were great, but can you honestly tell me what happened in season 4? It was 95% forgettable filler, with a massive exposition dump episode midway through, finished off by a finale that misunderstood its own themes.

[@reeco355]

Quentin is right, there is so much visual stimulation, that after 5-6 seasons, we remember bits, but lots is forgotten.

[@adamdg1098]

For most shows yes, but shows like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Sopranos, Better call Saul they are necessary

[@fuiers]

Watching House of Cards atm for the first time and now after hearing QT argument i think he is onto something. I could tell what happened in the first season but ask me anything from seasons 2-3 and its all a big blur.

[@Bigolebungus]

@@adamdg1098those are some of the most re-watchable series you could have picked though.

[@bohemiancasanova5538]

So? If the show is great I will gladly watch 20 seasons. He is not right, its just his opinion and preference.

[@whoopsydoodle5933]

You and Quentin must have terrible attention spans

[@Rancho.Jimenez]

Imagine Quentin Tarantino made a series

[@jopo7996]

Quentin is bang on. Pretty much every TV series eventually turns into a glorified soap opera.

[@MarcIverson]

Or jumps the shark in one way or another, a phrase coined to describe it passing its prime and becoming corny or somehow losing its way.

[@PhaedruS007]

The best are the ones that don't intend for a second season. As with life there is no meaning without the impending end.

[@avidfather1864]

That's because movies are contained stories. With TV, at a certain point, the writers just start making up BS to extend and pad out the stroylines.

[@atomicsmith]

I call it the “Lost” effect, where every episode is a cliff hanger, and they are just spinning a simple story into lots of “content”. There are shows (The Wire and breaking bad are good examples) where there is a total vision and the effect is much greater than a single film could ever achieve. I think it’s important to make the distinction…

[@booshandorkakow64]

Nah, it's his ego talking. Justified? Mr Inbetween? Boardwalk Empire? I can keep going. Quentin doesn't do TV therefore TV is inferior in Quentin's mind. That's it.

[@lj-gotnext3012]

So many episodes of The Sopranos have stayed with me and genuinely no movie compares to it imo.

[@PooyaSadeghi]

Exactly

[@joshuatree5668]

@@PooyaSadeghi But theres only 1,2,3 of those in the history of television... and there's been millions of hours lost on meandering television since in hopes of finding that again. whereas movies only ask for 2 hours of your time and have a beginning middle and end.

[@donganger4936]

Definitely one of the few exceptions and not the rule though

[@SlicenDiceoooo]

There’s plenty of films far better than it. I mean first of all. It’s a mafia story. The mafia are as pathetic and dense as possible. And second, the Italians are regressive beyond belief. They’re fun to watch like animals but that’s about it.

[@ampluz]

​@@joshuatree5668 I don't agree that there is only a few there is atleast 30+ that have fantastic writing.

[@InstrumentalMangmnt]

The Wire, Fargo (Series), Breaking Bad/ Call Saul, Sopranos. I have those shows on a continual loop. Timeless. Better then a movie.

[@cecillegravelle2590]

same

[@brianmeen2158]

I like watching Different Strokes when I get home from Tuba class

[@IllustrateTheHorror]

Nah it’s always inferior to great movies.

[@raulitoraulitos8952]

❤❤❤

[@romeolivingston84]

Better call Saul 😮‍💨

[@jonathanhenderson9422]

Movies are like lyric poems. Because they're constrained by time, in good/great movies every word, scene, shot, sound, piece of music, etc. is designed to have maximum effect. There's a certain aesthetic density to the best movies in which every element can be analyzed to the smallest detail, and that makes them more memorable. TV is more like novels. They're not limited by time constraints so there's the ability to slowly develop characters, storylines, etc. and it's not so important if every word, scene, shot, etc. is perfect or memorable. With TV and novels it's often one remembers specific scenes or moments while not remembering the entire thing. Mini-series are nice middle grounds.

[@lenhealy2314]

Tarantino’s take on Homeland season 1 is awesome

[@MortalCoil64]

really eloquently put

[@Fitennis60]

He is spot on with the TV vs Movie

[@RoblesPictures]

The Penguin is a great example of what a movie like TV show is like.

[@JoJoJoker]

Andor too

[@radisb]

penguin sucked

[@PRICEX]

@@radisbpenguin was solid but there were prob 3 episodes they could’ve cut out

[@Mister_Superfly]

@@PRICEX Yeah far too many episodes, wasn’t going any further forward at points.

[@Mr_Zzzeee]

@@radisb It really did

[@satyarthsingh2276]

I’m glad Tarantino stood on business, Rogan and his recent off kilter interruptions and shenanigans are going off the charts.

[@vancelee3506]

In my opinion in today’s entertainment industry I definitely prefer shows over movies. I feel like the movies today just don’t hold my attention like they did in the past. I’d rather watch older movies again than watch some of these new movies for 20 minutes.

[@Tonywirthfilms]

Quinten has a creative way of saying most shows are drawn out. True, I think that's the point though. Breaking Bad has so many details in its story to appreciate, and that means people will watch it again. I think he might be conflating memorability with impact. Breaking Bad is more impactful, but less memorable, yet because of that, I've watched the series 3 times over in the span of a decade, each time appreciating a different perspective, and rediscovering forgotten details. This is why people love TV.

[@Gibberish1983]

Yet. If you ever stop re-watching it for good, after a few years you’ll forget a lot of what made you watch it. A movie that really touched you, you will never ever forget most of it. That’s the difference.

[@Tonywirthfilms]

​@@Gibberish1983 i strongly, but respectfully disagree.

[@aj_sanjuan]

@ 7:13 legitimately forgot there was a third dude in the studio 🤣

[@mody6930]

My favorite TV shows are Spartacus and Boardwalk Empire 👏

[@BlaineGamble]

I can't imagine a world without Tarantino

[@yungalucard9139]

Same if it was anyone else, Joe Rogan would say “shut the fuck up and let me talk”.

[@Halfstep2024]

Imagine having Quentin say he loves your show. Who cares what he says after, he is right but still. That accolade alone would feel amazing.

[@justinmadrid8712]

Who cares what he thinks

[@adamgates1142]

Quentin likes a lot of crap

[@diaperenthusiast]

Glazer

[@Halfstep2024]

@ Thank you diaper enthusiast I was awaiting your spectacular opinion. I just wake up every day saying “I wonder if today is the day that diaper enthusiast will grace me with a single word comment on KZbin?”

[@BTakes138]

He also said he liked Joker 2, so...

[@cptmuska]

The soap opera analogy is so damn true.

[@MongooseMan75]

I find with a lot of TV dramas that the first season is usually one of if not the best seasons in a show’s run because it’s the only season with a clear endpoint in mind. The creators are only given that first season as a guarantee to start which usually forces them to tell a much more self contained and focused story.

[@rikky383]

Sons of Anarchy is another good example of what Tarantino is explaining. First season was compelling. But then it just kept dragging on and the storyline was so dragged out and became so convoluted, that I eventually lost the plot and just stopped caring and therefore didn't get to season 3. Nothing ever got resolved.

[@kalkella8822]

I don't think it was convoluted, and I would argue everything got resolved. The problem is the show had to keep raising the stakes, and it got to the point where you could no longer suspend your disbelief. I agree with you overall about Sons, just not for the same reasons.

[@omarcomin148]

SOA started going downhill after Taylor Sheridan showed up.. coincidence?

[@TrykusMykus]

Sons of anarchy was structured like a soap opera from the start though. It never had a story laid out, it never was planned out - just continuous shock value.

[@gamerelated8985]

@omarcomin148 he was there from episode 1 and kwas killed off in season 2... So your blind hatred proves your dim... Sheridan was on 1 season of 8....and was a part of the best season...

[@gamerelated8985]

Soa was a modern take on Hamlet...

[@feudist]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer really pioneered the seasonal arc on network TV. The finale of each season brought several storylines, character arcs and relationships(sometimes ranging over different seasons) together in a collision that had genuine stakes and consequences. In particular, the finale of S2 was just soul shattering in its brutally operatic climax. It is haunting to this day, a quarter century later. The show could well have ended on S5, with its definitive acknowledgement of The Slayer's destiny and the Pyrrhic victory of "The Gift". But the 7th season series finale resolved the central dilemma posed all the way back in the series pilot in a marvelously satisfying way.

[@GoodLadMalenko]

Not sure buffy pioneered seasonal arcs, maybe popularised it. Twin peaks and x files were earlier

[@bigmac8574]

X files, for sure. But Buffy is a fantastic show too.

[@Lona_Chess]

​@@GoodLadMalenko Exactly. Buffy popularized that trend and it's a superb show. But Twin Peaks and X-Files did it before Buffy.

[@jaymoore5407]

2:45 i feel this way about "Face Off". Every moment of that movie and each of its characters pulled me in. I remember every minute. Absolutely love it

[@MrSladej]

Im Caster Troy!

[@jaymoore5407]

@@MrSladej one of my favourite scene is when he jus gets home from prison and he snorts the cocaine for the first time with his golden guns and starts laughing hysterically

[@MrSladej]

@@jaymoore5407 somewhere over the rainbow baby.

[@jonathanyates7883]

That’s actually a very compelling argument! I can’t remember what the plots and character dramas were on like the best shows I’ve ever watched but I could geek for hours about an amazing movie that I watched 10yrs ago

[@toothybj]

Ok, good. I experience the sane thing as Tarantino of totally forgetting about snows afterwards, though very intrigued at the time. Glad its not just me

[@bobsaul4568]

Right. Thunderstorms are usually more memorable than snowfalls.

[@subboid]

Yeah I hadn’t thought about it before. Can’t remember any part of Yellowstone apart from like a few seconds here and there

[@schmiggidy]

Except we never forget the truly great ones, do we? Some of my more recent memorable shows were Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones (S1-S5), Mr. Robot, LOST, Boardwalk Empire, Fargo, For All Mankind, Arcane and The Penguin. THESE are real movies in long-form episodic TV format -- a feat which makes them all the more impressive, given their ability to evolve and sustain complex storylines over such tremendous duration.

[@atomicsmith]

@@schmiggidyLost is the poster child for overblown series. One series would have been more than enough for that show…

[@schmiggidy]

@@atomicsmith LOST is on my list for 2 reasons: First, it introduced high-quality episodic TV-based storytelling to the masses via primetime programming on ABC. It absolutely was must-watch TV at the time -- very similar to GoT in that respect. Yes, several shows from subscription-based HBO started this trend a few years earlier (Sopranos, The Wire, etc.), but LOST did it for millions at @ 8pm once a week for years on end. You gotta respect that. Second, while it does meander and truly earns it's name by the show's end, IT IS STILL MEMORABLE. To this day, I can close my eyes and rewatch many unique scenes. In that regard, I view it as very special and singular.

[@MCSizzle1116]

Character: *has interesting story arc Tarantino: “*THAT SHOULDA BEEN A MOOVIE!*”

[@darkskinwhite]

Yeah it just doesn't end, he's right. It feels like a movie when you're watching it, but then it just goes on & on because it's not a strong plot, it's 100 mini plots. For someone who LOVES the art of storytelling & filmmaking it makes sense he feels that way.

[@rhondawarnock9315]

Good movie is always better

[@darrenlord2468]

Sone shows/specials like 1 long movie! Friend & i just binged watched that "The Madness" felt lije a movie we watched in 2 days lol

[@thefacelessquestion3333]

Agreed

[@FtwSportsHovel]

A tv show fills in details for you. Movies allow your imagination to fill in details; making it more memorable.

[@Njbear7453]

I never understood people who watch a tv show on a Friday/ Saturday night rather than putting on a movie.

[@jormungandr4690]

A movie you can only see once. I can watch a show for months if I havent seen it and it has a lot of seasons

[@swadlol]

Quentin’s brain works faster than he can speak and vice versa. He’s got so much stuff he wants to say but can’t get it fast enough, and then gets side tracked on some other amazing topic. You are absolutely top 3 greatest of all time Quentin Tarantino, maybe the very best, probably the very best

[@Plague_Doc22]

I think Taratino is a great example of how you channel autism for a positive. I bet he is on the spectrum just dont have a diagnosis. People need to stop looking at it as a negative.

[@southsideman4891]

If best talk over everybody guy, yes, he is that

[@thomaskoukouris4070]

and the think is that anything he says almost i find interesting, not sure if he is just smart or he has the aura because we all know what a great writer he is, probably both.

[@photorockbar471]

According to Michael Pollan, he is a coffee addict.

[@dougscott188]

So true and he is authentic with his love of movies and TV. He is not a snob about it.

[@griswoldclark6835]

Movies are an intimate 2 hour experience that you are locked into a theater. Tv Shows are in your house with distractions and you watch an episode here and there take breaks etc. TV shows are great today but it’s just a different experience and different way of consuming storytelling. Streaming services definitely achieved that cinematic look compared to what is on cable in terms of Tv shows. Yellowstone is also an example of something great going too long and risk loosing stars like Costner then the creators scramble to end the show quickly and clunky.

[@photorockbar471]

I can binge watch a series and watch 4 episodes without taking a break. What are you talking about???

[@andyroid8103]

This is how I feel about book series that drag on for 8-10 books, a trilogy is perfect.

[@ftroop2000]

Homeland was great. Still haven't seen the last second half of the last series. The way he explains this all, resonates with big time.

[@Max-gk6ot]

last series is pretty good

[@realbradybrown]

I really enjoy when Quentin is on the pod. He brings interesting topics and information regarding Hollywood.

[@Mr.Haveaword]

Quentin’s the real deal, doesn’t chew too much shid - really enjoy and appreciate his perspectives

[@jakejake940]

He's absolutely on the ball for most tv series with multiple seasons. It's hard to remember all the different plot stuff when they keep adding in a bunch of new twists and stuff. "Mr. Robot" comes to my mind when thinking of this, first season was badass, second season was badass, third season was badass. All I can remember is the first season though.

[@rossow88]

The fact that QT picked that particular scene out of Homeland is amazing. That scene has stood out for me ever since I saw it, I haven't quite seen anything like it since.

[@markl4593]

Yep, agree with Quentin’s points.

[@nofx6312]

When Joe goes "mmmmmmm" he doesn't like what you're saying. Tarantino is completely wrong. Within the last 5 years. Movies have been the worst. It's a dying industry

[@xyttra]

Twin Peaks Season 3 is literally an 18 hour movie. It stands on its own and tells a story no movie could ever tell in 2-3 hours.

[@BluDaimon]

twin peaks 3 is awesome. better than 1 and 2. different. I need to watch it again.

[@xyttra]

@BluDaimon As someone who've rewatched it like 7 times, I agree 😁

[@karolinasz.141]

Yes I was going to make this comment!!! Best thing ever.

[@TheMangoDeluxe]

It’s yrev very good to see you again, old friend.

[@xyttra]

@TheMangoDeluxe My car veered over off the road and I had my accident

[@jamminjam79]

3:25 this is so true. I think back to tv show i loved, but I only remember the main premise. Where as a good movie, I can recall all the best scenes and it's whole premise

[@levon6363]

I'm like that with movies too 😂

[@dr.henryjones616]

He does make a point about that peak moment in the arc and never forgetting. Two other great examples is the cliffhanger season 1 of Ozark and end scene/cliffhanger of 24, season 5.

[@photorockbar471]

The last episode of Ozark as dumb. You could tell they made quick changes cause the show was suddenly not going to a new season

[@jayshomer4191]

I love how QT explains everything with such passion. His expression of detail is unmatched!

[@Arriival93]

Did u just call him a cutie?

[@samlsmithmusic]

There are distinctions that are important to learn about and aren’t trivial. Film directors are on another level from tv directors. Classical composers are on another level from pop songwriters. They have different goals and strengths.

[@delix787]

5:34 he sounds so stoned 😂

[@Bigrawl81]

Or does it just so happen that you see smoke in the background

[@badbutgood-d4q]

tv show storytelling is better currently than movies bc there's no need to pander to overseas investors which limit artistic expression. For drama shows, there needs to be a season limit to give a good ending (like 4 or 5 seasons). For comedy shows, they for sure can drag it out until season 10 bc its about the characters rather than plot

[@X123-c2j]

🤔 definitely tons of pandering with tv shows. theres so much money to lose when killing off popular characters. also a lot of filler dialogue to meet episode quota. leaving things at cliff hangers to milk another season. i do enjoy the longer format story telling

[@badbutgood-d4q]

@X123-c2j never said tv shows have zero flaws. Overseas has waaay more restrictions on the kind of stories they'll give money to hence why film is only funding remakes & sequels that guarantee making their money back from overseas audience. GoT was popular bc they killed off main characters & popular characters. TWD is another example of this. Networks cancel shows left & right willingly losing money despite the audience protesting. Tv shows may have some pandering but not to the extreme that they refuse to fund different genres of projects like the film industry does. A24 is one of the few that actually take chances on risky projects

[@arcguardian]

Umm the pandering is everywhere tf u talkin bout? Drama bores me, and I don't know a series that doesn't do drama, movies on the other hand can do John Wick. Show me one tv show equivalent to John Wick...

[@badbutgood-d4q]

@arcguardian pandering in regards to oversea investors & audiences who r the top priority to satisfy according to the few major productions companies that have monopoly of the film industry & can choose what film projects to greenlight. Hence why there r only remakes & sequels being made. It guarantees a return on investment bc they get the most money from oversea audiences. If they lose money in America, they make it up from other countries paying to watch it. The country's govt r the ones who decide if a film is allowed to play in their theaters. Therefore, tight restrictions on genres of storytelling & their content (pandering). Meh im not gonna say ur bad for not enjoying dramas lol its ur personal preference dude. If u like crazy action packed films then cool idc I like them too lol but I also like drama TV shows bc I get bored of only consuming one genre. John wick makes a ton of profit overseas so that means they get to have giant financing in their budget to afford the high-tech equipment, top of the line stunt crew/choreographer, & marketing. TV shows don't get that huge budget bc they don't cater to overseas investors nor depend on oversea audience to help make up the financial loss if they did spend that much money. TV shows profits rely on the American audience to make it successful enough to do another season w hopefully a better budget. The most they can do it crazy cgi like GoT & the new Harry Potter series coming soon

[@jormungandr4690]

@@arcguardian The terminal list and it has an objectively better story than John Wick

[@FebreezyWeezy]

This homie cooking

[@DerrickRoberts-h3z]

💀

[@rednexium4100]

The problem isn’t knowing when to stop, it’s knowing how to keep it good. When you come into a show for the first season, you have very little in the way of expectation, when you come into the second you have all the expectation in the world. When you look at a show like my name is earl, the reason it worked so well is because what made it good was the task of him trying to make right on his wrongs. When you take a show like the walking dead. What made the show good was its authentic feel to the genre, that can’t go on for ever, as it’s not something that you can keep changing once you set it in stone. Towards the end it’s just drama upon drama, because you can’t keep selling the same thing over and over again, whereas my name is earl, the premise could change episode to episode because the people he interacted with and the things he did had that flexibility to change on the fly. The setting of the story and how you can’t keep selling present will make or break a show.

[@mikenney7]

Not a huge fan of Yellowstone but Taylor Sheridan wrote Sicario and Hell or high water and they are great

[@folx2733]

His other show set in the 1800's is also very good.

[@shanerjedi1138]

Wind River too. I like his movie writing more than his tv stuff.

[@mikenney7]

@@shanerjedi1138 for sure forgot he did, that movie is what true detective season 4 should have been lol

[@Njbear7453]

True detective season 4 sucked

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

He also played sheriff David Hale in Sons of Anarchy which was...not the best use of his talents.

[@jimmyeatsmovies893]

3:06 Wrong! Amazing television will stick with you forever! Quantum Leap X-Files LOST 24, just to name a few from only the last 30 years alone!

[@fathermozgus3315]

He said this and I immediately thought "he's never seen true detective season 1"

[@vellichor7676]

I 100% understand what Tarantino is saying. Absolutely.

[@jamescole2330]

Me too. I argue with my gf about tv shows that just go on like a soap opera. Tarantino explains it so much better than I. I will have to have my gf watch this clip.

[@JL-pj6kk]

My wife doesn’t understand why I much prefer movies to TV shows. Don’t get me wrong there are a handful of shows I like that are truly fantastic. And some miniseries also hit me like that. But the overwhelming a majority are of TV shows just don’t grab my attention.

[@MadisonClemons8426]

Once you watch a good show, movies seem too short and not as good

[@JL-pj6kk]

@ shows tend to be much more repetitive and derivative. Don’t get me wrong most movies in the last 10 years have suffer from the same problem but to a lesser extent.

[@raulb4169]

sarcasm😂

[@CarsTechWood]

I absolutely agree. I miss walking out of a movie theater in awe. Seems like that doesn’t happen anymore

[@delix787]

DARK IS A MASTERPIECE 🗣️

[@Jeffer.son04]

Yeah I'm never gonna forget that ending 😭

[@Bloodless1986]

It is criminal how many people have never watched DARK because its German.

[@complex4059]

Masterpiece? Lol not even in top 50 I would say

[@raymondsims7042]

@@complex4059I’ve seen a lot of shows dark imo is top 5. Besides that though could you actually give a top 50?😂🤔honest question I feel like I could

[@Thenamelessname21]

"EhH sTRaNgEr thINgs iZZ bETtEr"

[@tybenningfield1621]

the balls on this guy saying that Deadwood was only good until when they had Carradine

[@cervantesthenilbog7513]

I couldn't agree more . . . It wasnt good at all regardless.

[@dirtyduval1904]

Deadwood was awesome Al Swerenger is a character I'll remember forever.

[@notagiantseaslug5523]

Deadwood was a masterpiece.

[@ChristianDarkwood]

I understand his point, but don't agree with it at all. Using Deadwood as his example doesn't work, because the show is about how a town evolves from a lawless mining camp to self governing community.The death of a well known celebrity is what attracted unwanted attention, and spurred further events. Wild Bill was a catalyst for the development of the town, but not actually the focal point of the series. The strength of the other actors carried Deadwood well through 3 seasons. Fair to say that the recent movie left more people unsatisfied then the series ever did.

[@dirtyduval1904]

@@ChristianDarkwood well said, couldn't agree more!