Question the Narrative | Well, This Is Awkward...

[@shellysangrey]

Apparently, this video needs some clarification because it seems the point of it has eluded some. This video is not about debunking preterism. I'm not sure how anyone got that out of this. In fact, at one point, I said that I'm most closely aligned with preterism at this point. The point of this video was to point out that there is another eschatological view, a very popular one, that was also supposedly created by Jesuits, and it's a view held by many throwing accusations at preterists. I hope it's clear now. 😅

[@BilaamsDonkey]

I hope my comment wasn’t taken that way - I just think that preterism is not aligned with the idea that there was a physical reign, or that it has ended for now. Meaning that we are looking at something other than what is defined as “preterism.”

[@shellysangrey]

@BeatenHorse No, not yours. 🙂

[@breezybest6064]

@@BilaamsDonkey Yes, I agree that what we're seeing and experiencing doesn't seem like how preterism is explained exactly either. That's why this subject is so fascinating.

[@BilaamsDonkey]

@@breezybest6064 I love it!

[@wifemom]

Truth in History channel on KZbin calls it “Biblical Historicism.”

[@breezybest6064]

Exploring these topics shouldn't make anyone mad because the Simple Gospel is still the only thing that matters. I'd like to know the truth of this world (aside from the most important truth of Jesus's death and resurrection), but it takes a long time to get the truth sometimes, and it takes a lot of rabbit holes. It's not wrong to go down those holes to see where they lead, because nothing can ever detract from what Jesus did for us. Thank you Shelly!

[@theurbanthirdhomestead]

The one thing nobody can talk me out of is Jesus. Once you know His Voice, you can't deny Him. ❤

[@Overstand100]

@@theurbanthirdhomesteadAmen🙏🏾

[@real82it]

@@theurbanthirdhomesteadexactly!

[@truthsrfreedomamyjogodluvs6627]

Exactly

[@matthewpohlman]

@@buffortj First you laugh and then you cry.

[@treecooklive]

Re: Was Preterism Invented by the Jesuits? FRIDAY, JANUARY 8, 2021 BY GARY DEMAR (paraphrased) One of the arguments used against preterism is that it was developed by Spanish Jesuit Luis De Alcazar (1554-1613) who wrote a commentary (Investigation of the Hidden Sense of the Apocalypse) in which he proposed that all of Revelation applied to “the era of pagan Rome and the first 6 centuries of Christianity.” Futurists use Alcazar to poison the well. If a Catholic proposed the view, then it must be wrong, because Roman Catholicism as a theological system is wrong - so the argument goes. Roman Catholics (however) adhere to doctrinal statements that are agreed upon outside of Catholicism. How much of that must we disregard? All of it? Some of it? In like measure, if preterism should be discarded because of its (supposed) Jesuit beginnings, then futurism should similarly be discarded because of its Jesuit association. Poisoning the well is a poor way to argue. We might as well claim that the Volkswagen is an evil car because “Volkswagen was originally proposed in 1933 by Adolf Hitler.” Lastly… Frank X. Gumerlock (in his book Revelation and the First Century) stated that Alcazar’s commentary (1614) was not the first to take a preterist approach to the body of the Apocalypse. John Henten (1545) wrote his commentary almost a century earlier. Preterism, therefore, was not a Jesuit invention. The biblical record is clear on nearly every page that Jesus came in judgment and vindication of His finished redemptive work before their generation passed away (Matt. 24:34).

[@shellysangrey]

Agreed!

[@Overstand100]

This topic brings so much anger in some people, because it completely smashes entire libraries of "bible based" end times books, some of which they personally wrote. Calling Jesus a liar is walking a very dangerous line, and that's why I'm taking this so seriously. "Let GOD be true, and let every man be a liar."

[@TheNotoriousMrDee]

That's why I pray occasionally as I'm learning something new. Ask the Holy Spirit to work with me and give me discernment. If we're trying to learn the truth, God won't be mad when we're wrong if we're not retarded about it and go into witchcraft and whatnot lol. I often feel the Holy Spirit encouraging me when I hear something true, and I don't feel it at all when I'm hearing nonsense.

[@treecooklive]

And if we look deep enough, we will find that a lot of those books were written on purpose … as well as the movie versions.

[@Ayverie4]

Hey Notorious, I'm not sure how you got left in the 20th century but the R-word is a slur now and we don't say it. Especially unbecoming of Christians.

[@michaelseay9783]

@@TheNotoriousMrDeeif you are converting from Futurism, you may have moments of doubt or even ominous feelings from going against what you’ve been taught, but once you have that moment where you clearly recognize that you have been lied to, then you will truly be free from that nonsense. The kingdom is here, you just have to study on your own to see it.

[@ChristCenteredEschatology]

When I first started seeing that the dispensational premillennial view I had was not correct I had a lot of questions. Lots of things didn’t make sense, but as I studied more I learned that God’s word had all the answers. Once you work through it you will see that preterism fit the Bible and makes sense. Once you see the truth you cannot unsee it.

[@jthepickle7]

I once saw an interview of a very old American woman - who remained sharp as a tack. She recalled her early days at school, 1905. She said that Flat Earth was taught in her school. I write this to show that 'history' is a malleable thing.

[@MariaWalker-qo3vi]

Her name is Ruth. Not sure what you mean by “malleable.”

[@jthepickle7]

@@MariaWalker-qo3vi Malleable - able to be altered at will - or something like that.

[@aceventura5398]

Russia taught flat earth up to 1917.

[@dorinamary7863]

I believe that about teaching Flat Earth in the past. In the late 70s, I attended a church where a woman in her 80s said in her youth, they taught astrology right alongside the Bible. Of course, the young pastor in his 30s didn't believe her, but she kept insisting on it. The late Dr. D. James Kennedy had a nation-wide TV program where he taught astrology right alongside the Bible in the 80s and 90s, and he taught it right from his pulpit at church.

[@dorinamary7863]

And I just came across this video "short" today where Hillary Clinton was speaking in the past, in 4 different clips, about how they've made progress trying to break through the glass ceiling. kzbin.infoj4HI9x1qMq0

[@Dreblueskies]

I always appreciate all of your videos whether I tend to agree, or not have an opinion or disagree. I appreciate your research and love that you always question narrative! 💛

[@MaryFlower-u2v]

Satan loves to confuse.

[@ET-sp6qm]

One last attempt in the little season

[@susandundon5918]

That is a fact!! Chaos and confusion is their trademark. 2020 has snapped many out of the matrix.

[@Goz_Klahaz]

Just like his father

[@michaelwills1926]

And the people who wrote the books

[@WindmillsOfTheMind]

At minute 3.43 - I think you glossed over the most important aspect of that text there... 'Ribera was embarrassed by the persistent Protestant identification of the Papacy with the Antichrist." VERY INTERESTING.

[@jjb6]

I wish everybody asked more things we could make better friends and get more answers. And it’s fun

[@michelletillman6232]

I don’t know how we can make better friends, when people are out here, calling people heretics, because they would like to look at things in a different way. Sounds great, but not too sure about that.

[@AnthonyClay-y6h]

Let's play it safe ... Jesus said he would come back in the lifetime of some of those who heard him and he would reign on earth (not the whole earth) a reign of 1000 years and then the saints would meet him in the clouds (rapture, maybe) and the Devil would be set free to have his way with the world in a period called the 'little season' .... so forget the date we are supposed to be living in .... we are living in the little season and endeavouring to take back dominion of this world for humanty as it was originally intended.

[@lostbooks2918]

So what about the new heaven and new earth? New Jerusalem. The Bible says this earth shall pass away. Feelings don't trump Scripture

[@janthony-tz7mf]

Play it safe = playing in truth. We know the things you've stated are truth, anyone trying to ignore that and debunk that...well I'm not real sure what their motives are.

[@AnthonyClay-y6h]

@@lostbooks2918 We get to those after this battle is through ... firstly we have to defeat evil ..... in the world and in ourselves ... Satan can not be allowed to have his own evil world .... anywhere. ...this world will be a mess anyway by the time the last battle is over ... it's a mess now. It was a mess after the mudfloods .... regarding scripture '(and I really hate to say this) some of our translations have been tampered with and can not be trusted and scripture shouldn't be accepted as the only way God speaks to us .... you have to develope the ability to hear his voice speaking to you directly as well '(my sheep know my voice) and look for signs and wonders to follow. Scripture is written down truth there is also truth spoked directly and truth felt and they should all confirm each other.

[@thinkingislegal192]

@lostbooks2918 I feel that "the Earth will pass away" is not the structure of it , it is a of its "Glory Days". After a cataclysmic reset there would only be remnants of civilization, and then there would be a great deal of time waiting for vegetation and a reasonable climate . After that different shades of people emerge from a multitude of bunkers and arrive in the little season .I believe that is why God reminds us that Mankind can not govern itself , it tries unsuccessfully each time then God has to send our Savior to get everyone on the right track , then we are golden again until the next time that God needs to change the bulb 🌞,,, and it starts all over .🙏🏼✌🏽

[@AFlatJourney]

@@lostbooks2918 That would not be a contradiction, as the new heaven and earth is mentioned to happen AFTER the little season anyhow. So whatever side one falls on this debate, the new heaven and earth would be after most all of Revelation has taken place, Chapter 21. So not sure your point. Just FYI.

[@middlenamejermaine]

Shelly, thank you so much for all of your research, hard work, and dedication. I’ve been subscribed for years and your channel is easily my favorite on KZbin. Your perspective is definitely appreciated!

[@SCobb01]

Controlled opposition. They always do this just like political parties.

[@theathenachannel88]

u saying shelly is controlled opposition? i think so...i hear it in her voice....creeps me out

[@phoenixfireclusterbomb]

and wars, and news media, and religion, and industries, and ……we definitely have discovered their pattern of manipulation. Its like this across the board. Everything they touch is dualistic with the occasional 3rd party instigator to light the fuse. They even practice this in their personalities. They’re double minded, two faced, and hypocritical. Left hand distracts while the right hand moves. These are the magicians of old. The scientists of today. The Wizard behind the green curtain. Not one average citizen is non the wiser because we have been manipulated at birth through every aspect of our life. These people control all major stocks and industries. This includes our money. This is how powerful these people are. The devil is in full control of these people and God has given the devil this moment in time, (a.k.a. The Little Season). Rev 2:9 and 3:9 ….synagogue of Satan….. Praise God, his time is coming to a close. Humanity can finally live in peace and harmony with our King in righteousness forever. Bro. and Sis. Its going to be amazing!

[@phoenixfireclusterbomb]

@@theathenachannel88my last comment is removed so that’s suspicious.

[@jarjar3143]

Did you mean political parasites ?

[@iliketurtles2322]

Care to explain? @@theathenachannel88

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great Video! Just a quick note about the 'Nero/Vespasian' situation. A good portion of us Full Preterists believe that Nero was the 'Beast Caesar' that persecuted the saints between 64 and 68AD (3&1/2 years of great tribulation); then Vespasian was the Caesar that GOD used to bring the 'recompense judgment' upon Old Covenant Israel for shedding the blood of Jesus & His Saints. This happened in 70AD, and Titus was the son of Vespasian that was leading the attack. Hope this helps. Grace & Peace.

[@gentledove6804]

Now look into who created the Jesuit order, and who were the first Jesuits. Later, who was Scofield’s handler in the U.S. ? Unfortunately, i don’t think you could publish your findings on this platform.

[@PheonixRises2040]

Oh those with small hats..

[@TheNotoriousMrDee]

My propers for exploring further. Controlled opposition is everywhere, and we definitely don't want to accept anything the J-suits were involved in. It's really disappointing to learn how badly Christianity has been infiltrated and polluted, but I find it also empowering in a way, because although we don't know what's true, we are gradually eliminating what isn't. God bless, Shelley.

[@shadowreveled5107]

Christianity is built on rape murder human trafficking.

[@Pamela.B]

Okay. Now I’m going to have to “borrow” that term “J-suits”... 😂

[@eschneggs]

Right on! Judaism's Saturday Shabbath is another lie along with Christianity's Sunday and Islam's Friday. I have been doing Wednesday as the Shabbath for 18 years with wonderful results.

[@Casmige]

@@eschneggsplease explain your stance, if you please with “sources”.

[@eschneggs]

@@Casmige Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are the 3 days of darkness. "John" and "Yahshua" came to confirm to some and reveal to many the true 7th day. The word in Hebrew usually translated incorrectly is "shem" ( translation error on purpose in Greek) it should be in most cases Memorial as in the Creator's Memorial of Creation, The Shabbath. Noah did not call his son "name"( Shem) He was born at the time Noah was told to build the Ark 100 years before the flood. He named him Memorial because the flood would come when his son was 100 years old. So look at all the verses having to do with "name" and plug in Memorial a huge difference in what is being revealed. I come to show My Father's Memorial. Our Father who is in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Memorial( The Shabbath). This means Judaism has always had a false sabbath and they do not understand the purpose of the Shabbath. My source is the Shabbath enabling me to read between the lines(lies) in scripture. I will not present a pleading to authority, authoritative sources are not evidence of truth. Blessings on your journey.

[@lizamwebb]

And which tiny group created the Jesuits? Some know…

[@VelvetyMoon]

Starts with another J

[@Dreblueskies]

@@VelvetyMoonYep!

[@Victoria_Loves_Jesus]

((()))

[@FreddyPrays]

the fact that so many people seem to be all about labels and putting themselves into specific camps of thoughts which just increases our division...to me is just another confirmation that this is the little season...modern day Christianity is the opposite of what I read in my bible of how Christianity was intended to be... I hear many use the saying that people just have different interpretations...but that's not what my bible says the church was supposed to be...it is one Holy Spirit and one truth with all in common between members of the body...not many versions of the truth...it is one body of christ... the contrast between the modern church and Acts 40 is the "smoking gun" for me that somethings not right here...it reminds me of the 7 churches spoken of in the beginning of revelation that strayed from the unified path (less Philedelphia)...we know that those churches physically existed millennia ago...but the splintering of the "church" seems even worse today than it was then...how many denominations are we at now? I have lost count... 40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” 41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. 42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. 44 Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need. 46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

[@researcherextraordinaire8867]

The bottom line for me is; Non of the interpretations mentioned take Jesus at his word. They all put a spin on what he so plainly spoke. "Behold, I come quickly and my reward is with me to every man according as his work shall be." Rev 22:12-20 Jesus didn't come quickly in a figurative sense. He literally returned during the generation he had spoken to face to face just as he promised.

[@janthony-tz7mf]

People will try and debunk the evidence we have, but they conveniently leave out Jesus' own words. That is the greatest evidence we have.

[@Owen-sx4jj]

Jesus was described as coming in the clouds with power and great glory during his first coming in Daniel but did he do that? No. To get the meaning of a verse you have to compare with others.

[@shellysangrey]

Preterists believe He physically came in the clouds in 66AD and offer historical accounts to support it.

[@Owen-sx4jj]

@@JoyinFlorida I said first coming is described this way, coming in the clouds with power glory and authority. It's a parable. They were waiting for Christ in the clouds that they missed him when he eventually came and didn't realize it. It was a parable

[@Owen-sx4jj]

@@JoyinFlorida dosent have to. Did Christ come in the clouds with power and glory and all eyes saw him like it's described or did he come in the flesh making himself lower than even the angels? Its a simple answer. This prophecy was fulfilled of course but not literally. Jesus was given authority, glory and a kingdom but it was not in a literal sense. He has authority over everything, he has all glory and his Kingdom not of earth but heaven. Men are likened to clouds several times in scripture- Flesh. It means Christ came in the flesh. Just as clouds cover the glory of the sun. The flesh covers the glory of God. Coming in the clouds is parable for coming in the flesh. The Pharisees missed this and were still waiting for their God in the clouds. They were too focused on Christ's physical aspect and couldn't see God in front of them. This is what is meant by a stumbling stone that makes men fall.

[@SonofGodNOW]

Chuck Baldwin/Liberty Christian Fellowship MT has a great understanding of the history of 66-70AD. My favorite is Willy T a Scottish guy explaining preterism. His Scottish accent makes it so much more fun to listen to the Bible. Zach Davis and Travis Drum are humble young pastors in AK who have been on the journey of discovering this also. I love how you have patiently, honestly and boldly taken us on this journey to discovering truth. Thank you. The people of Jesus day had trouble understand the Kingdom of God also. They wanted a physical reign on a physical throne.

[@vickys697]

Chuck Baldwin is a great teacher!

[@jswavely5003]

Love the accents

[@jillianpeterson3398]

Shelly, I really appreciate your willingness to explore, your persistence in exemplifying a Christ like attitude and encouraging your audience to as well. 💕 The comment section can either deteriorate into a mud slinging dumpster fire as people war for their beliefs to be recognized as right…OR it can be a treasure trove of kind hearted, Christ like people sharing in the free exchange of ideas in order to follow the Holy Spirit into truth as Jesus promised He would lead us. I’m thankful that 9 times out of 10 the crowd in your comment section is closer to the latter 🫶🏽 God bless you SO much sister!!!

[@jabebwell2183]

Great job Shelly. It's all quite confusing & I think that was their intention. Do we really need a label? How about "Truthists"? I believe what I believe no matter what someone wants to label me as.

[@betty91706]

I appreciate your work. Thank you Shelly❤

[@FaithLikeAMustardSeed]

We may be at Revelation 14:7 now. About a half hour of silence might be 500 years between 70ad and the cataclysms in the 500s

[@FaithLikeAMustardSeed]

And the 1260 days in the wilderness may be 1260 years. So 700-800 years may have been added

[@MyChihuahua]

We're at Rev 20:7-8 now

[@beckfromoz3191]

The damage control is off the charts! Its a blessing..because those 2 men exposed themselves completely..one said he hadnt really looked into it, yet is false!!! Its time to wake up the rest of the lions...theres no time left to wake up the sheep. I believe our Father is making this very clear and simple..to those who will LISTEN. Love your work darling Shelley. 💚🙏

[@Adirondack1]

Correction “You Tube” Not “You Tibe “ for some reason it will not let me edit to fix my typo .

[@hannahy3381]

I Would like to hear where the preterists say we are now in the timeline. That's what I'm most curious about.

[@urzmontst.george6314]

If a Jesuit says "I always lie." is he telling the truth?

[@charliewhon6548]

Great point

[@lostbooks2918]

The only thing we need to worry about is keeping our lamps full and sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This stuff can be fun but it's very confusing and God isn't the author of that. Sound mind and power. Your answer is to read the Book with reverence and fear of the Lord while with His Holy Spirit. That's how we learn. "The Holy Comforter shall teach you all things." Be well brethren. Prepare your hearts and minds for this ordained Eclipse as was in the days of Jonah the prophet

[@Mpw9876]

Girl, you are a rock star researcher. This is very interesting. It’s hard for me to say I ‘believe this’ 100% but it makes sooo much more sense! I wish there was a way to determine WHEN John penned Revelation, for sure. Rather than what is determined as 96 AD. Keep it up! 💪

[@shellysangrey]

I can't take credit for this! Someone sent me an email that tipped me off. 🙂 As for when Revelation was written, in this video, Bruce Gore gives an excellent job of defending an earlier date for the writing of Revelation - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpOohKqbg5KroKcsi=Y92o4k3rS7ab4lYi

[@Mpw9876]

@@shellysangrey thank you! And thanks for your reply. I admire your efforts in this space. Thank you.

[@SonofGodNOW]

I have a 1910 Weymouth Greek NT translation. They thought it was written in AD 63-64 back over 100 years ago.

[@Mpw9876]

@@SonofGodNOW Where can these earlier translations be found? Did you order that copy? I haven’t heard of that one. I’ve always just ‘understood’ the KJV was most accurate.

[@lesleyM84]

the knee jerk, primordial reaction of anger and feeling attacked is so absolutely opposite to what Jesus himself stood/stands for.. reactions like those are cringe, primal and embarrassing… listen, learn, contemplate, discern and either accept or don’t but be mannerly about it!!!!!! discussions that get all heated are just stupid, literally, as anger clips the wings of clear thinking and results in chasms, toxicity and discord.. grateful for your channel and enjoy hearing your discernment ✨🕯🙏🏻✨

[@tomlutcavich]

All I know it keeps getting stranger and stranger. Recently discovered the book of Urantia. Wikipedia does a good breakdown. Keep up the good work ❤

[@nelseshaver2679]

I do believe that your research is God inspired and I appreciate that you share with us.

[@scottnyc6572]

I don’t think certain ideologies were exclusive to just one group.Like you mentioned as in politics these schools of thought overlapped throughout history.

[@melissaleblanc1626]

Thank you Shelly for all your hard work and research! I love and look forward to watching your videos. I'm so glad i came across your channel about a year ago.

[@rigavitch]

What does the early (Orthodox) Church and Ancient Holy Fathers say about it all for the first thousand years?

[@lisaw6855]

Love this channel. Also GoodGod Bobby Collier teaching has opened my eyes. Amen 🙏

[@FITSOZOLIFE]

Can I recommend a podcast I found fascinating on the topic: covenant hermeneutics and biblical eschatology Gary DeMar introduces the audience to his long-time friend, Kim Burgess. The two discuss eschatology and how all the pieces of the Bible fit together as a comprehensive whole. Kim talks about the difference between systematic theology and biblical theology and how the Bible needs to be read and understood on its own terms. Kim discusses a seventh principle that follows on from the first six in the last podcast about our union and being raised with Christ. Is the church living up to its full potential today? Are we reigning with Christ as we should? Many Christians don't believe that the church even has a dominion calling in the physical world. It is a self-imposed exile that keeps them from fulfilling what God expects of His people. One that completely ignores and reinterprets the imminence theme of the New Testament.

[@kacieramos5998]

There’s a really interesting book by Christine Miller called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ Revealed” printed by Nothing New Press. It does a very good job describing the historicist viewpoint. ❤

[@daveyfrost7114]

Everything breaks down when we evaluate what we know versus what we believe. Do I actually know the earth is round or flat? Considering I haven't been above 40,000 feet I can't say for sure. Since that's the case I have to rely on one narrative or another. When I finally come to a conclusion I'm still only left with belief. That belief is based off of what other people are saying or showing me. Same with history. I could read 1,000+ books on history but in reality I only have a belief that what I'm being told is true. It could be true, but I don't know without the ability to verify for myself. I have come to the conclusion that The Most High allows all of this confusion, even amongst believers, to expose the true nature of our hearts. It's no marvel that I love someone I agree with...zero effort....zero need for compassion, grace, longsuffering. The true test is in the disagreement. But, this is just my belief. Are we all chasing unknowable knowledge or are we chasing the heart of the One who lowered Himself to our level to show us the way?

[@kerri-mignon1196]

As an Empath, I've always been good at seeing multiple sides in most conflicts. Of course, I had blinders in some areas, funny enough, they were very much Baptist blinders....😊 When I feel down the RB and had to deal with so much cog dis, (ego death right there for sure), I had to climb out of the little box I'd stuffed my God beliefs in. Wow. It's so much more interesting outside the box! Anyway, k little nugget that came from that is the actual comprehension of the enemy not being able to create. Anything. Only invert, corrupt, distort, profane, etc... what does that mean? Perhaps that there is actually truth in all the various beliefs and only the differences are highlighted to keep us from unity. Keep us hating, distracted. I was all triggered when I first came across the MK already happened theory. I think we really need to take a closer look at things that do get us unreasonably wound up and consider maybe it's be because enemy wants to keep truth hidden. Once that became more clear, I was able to see so much more. Theories that initially seem diametrically opposed, can actually both be true if you take a wide enough view. My biggest example is my shape of earth journey. Yes, the flat earth presentation is very very compelling once I stopped mocking it. Didn't quite seem 100% to me though. There are also people who I follow and seem credible who refute flat earth and seem to have good arguments for globe. My final conclusion is that it's both and neither at the same time. That was a couple years ago and I've now been coming across others promoting similar concept. Unfortunately,I haven't been able to linearly articulate exactly how it works but I can "see" it somehow. I guess my point over all is, we need to stop being nasty to each other, it's disgusting, and make sure we're not tossing the baby out. (And that's just a weird saying on its own, right?) Keep up the fight, I truly enjoy sharing in this journey with you. :-)

[@aireschel1787]

I have found the historicist view of the seals and bowls of revelation to be compelling. Preterism presses all these into a very short time in the first century, whereas historicism parallels with the destruction of the pagan Roman Empire over centuries. That is if the Millennial Reign of Christ did not begin until the 5th or 6th century. Historicists I have read confine these judgements to Europe and Britain, whereas I think the Empire was truly worldwide as evidenced by surviving "Roman" architecture all over the world including the Americas. It is possible that the distortion of history was less in the first few centuries A.D. The historicist view does not allow for the Millennial Reign of Christ to have occurred, becomes murky a bit fitting more recent history with Revelation, but does focus on the rise of papal Rome. You might find the works of 19th century author H. Gratton Guiness very instructive on the historicist view.

[@eliza-pow6189]

Labels are ascribed to everything! Whatever we discover will, most likely, flow through previous/new theology that's already been labeled. That makes it easy to turn away from possible answers and connections because of the labels that the new information/ new understanding has already been ascribed to. Jesus told us to seek, to ask, and to discern. The "labels", themselves, often dissuade us, it seems. We're building our Armour, though, always! Many blessings all 🌻🌻🌻

[@giveittomikey17]

The interesting thing about all of this has everything to do with timing. It is scripture. The little season is in the book of Revelation. It will be dealt with one day, whether it’s happening right now or in the future time. It is not unscriptural to believe we may be further along Than just the tribulation rapture and millennial reign of Jesus Christ. It is not unscriptural to believe that that is where we are right now. It is supported in the word. With as many things that have happened so far and as many lies that have been told, and so many books that have been taken out of the word, that may or may not be the inspired word of God. There are things they didn’t want us to know. I think with all of that added it up looks to me like there are things they did not want us to know? If you were the devil, would you want the nations to know that Jesus has already come? Or would you if you were the devil want the world to think he hasn’t yet? We know there is evidence of mudfloods all around the world. We know there were previous resets. Timing is everything

[@angelarasmussen1800]

Have you looked into Zen Garcia's info on the oldest society (?) Thracian's. Also, does this mean that neither are based in truth? I know not necessarily, but have we considered that both are taking us away from the truth? What a puzzle. What if Christ's kingdom was not a physical place and time on earth ever? What if it has always been in another realm?

[@moogle_k]

Well, biblically the argument could be made that Christs millennial kingdom was in heaven. The KZbin channel BibleScribe covers that topic. Buildings themselves are not proof of Christs millennial kingdom, they are however proofs of lost knowledge, history and deception.

[@katyc.1969]

Sheely: please read the book "Supernatural" by Michael S. Heiser. It is not at all what i expected; very enlightning and lots of scriptures

[@birdmanfancy9627]

With questioning the narrative I always watch your videos with the frame of reference of purely the fantastical. You never cement any thought as your own truth which is why people try to put you in certain boxes.

[@Wildthing118]

God is not the author of confusion. Our focus determines our direction. “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” John 14:1-4 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6 ❤

[@paulajones7592]

God is not the author of confusion but Satan is. And the Bible is clear that Satan would be loosed at the end of the MR to deceive the nations for a season. A lot of us believe we are in that deceitful season which is why we are all researching and trying to help each other not be deceived.

[@christieclunan7022]

Wow excellent research ,thank you. This cleared up many questions i was stuck on regarding these historical shiftings in popular interpretation . It absolutely sounds like something they would do (and still do) to protect their power and authority.

[@1erinjames]

Read in a comment somewhere that the original footnotes in the 1599 GNV Bible describe the millennial reign as having already happened. They write that Jesus came in 70AD and the millennial reign happened and then ended with pope Gregory VII and persecution of the saints was in 1020-1085.

[@1erinjames]

I believe the crusades in 1095 - 1291 was the period Scripture warned man abouut. I also wonder if we will get to experience it again.

[@1erinjames]

@@onlyme7907 remove the 1 in front of date and it might be more possible. For example, dates like i536. There is an i instead of a 1 on many gravestones and old dates. Something to consider.

[@1erinjames]

@@onlyme7907 I'm not sure that data is correct or counted properly. You are more than welcome to refute preterism. I'm simply bringing forth what someone else had commented. You can believe whatever you want.

[@ActorsFilming]

Preterism still can't explain though, why in Stellarium, not one Revelation sign appears in the past 14,000 years. But they are appearing in the year 2017 and 2020. I have all the facts I need.

[@shellysangrey]

www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcripts/topical/christmas2020-incarnation-and-the-zodiac.htm

[@volleyblogSOCAL]

Thanks Shelly for doing this video. I saw the video you are talking and David was calling the “preterist” view satanic and I called him out on things he said that wasn’t true. One thing I didn’t have time to look into was one thing he said about how it wouldn’t be possible because of a reference in the Bible. Do you know what I’m talking about? I might have to go back and watch to see what it was.

[@shellysangrey]

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what reference you're thinking of. I'd be curious to know, though.

[@volleyblogSOCAL]

I went back to watch NYSTVs video. It was the very end. The writer, I think it was rh Charles, says that revelation is older than 70 ad because there was a church written to that supposedly want in existence until after 70 ad. Also that the gospels of Luke and Matthew weren’t circulating until after 70 AD which to me isn’t a good argument because I’m sure Paul would have heard their gospels prior to 70 AD. The biggest argument to me against preterism is actually Tacitus and Josephus.. though they write of the armies in the sky with Jesus, they continue passed 70 ad writing more history. Even the supposed saying of the writings makes no sense to me. Because had the mk came, you would think they would have written more about it.

[@shellysangrey]

I think we need to be very careful with dates and timelines because so much has been manipulated. It's infuriating. Preterists believe Jesus reigned from heaven, so I'm not sure how different it would have been here during that time for the historians to write about it.

[@mikeczeczot2070]

No matter what happened in history or didn't we may never know. It's kind of fun but the lies are so profound and far reaching into time past unto this day. But we have one and only truth. Who lives. He gave his life . His blood a perfect sacrifice. A rose from the dead body. Soul and spirit and is alive for evermore. He is true. His word is true. He is the word of truth. Jesus Christ the living word. We should seek out the truth of his gospel and recieve it as children of faith. No matter what happened. We can rely on him now and forever and realize a thousand years to us is but one day to God. Are we in the short season. It really doesn't matter. We still must abide in hope of Jesus Christ who will show us the truth we seek.

[@ThecultofCon]

Sometimes, the person cutting through the brush, already knows that El Dorado is on the other side. They like to appear as though they were the ones who "discovered" or "founded" everything you have ever heard of. Then one day they will say about the truth that they have revealed "I have grown beyond it, and what we once believed, we now leave behind." "Conspiracy Graduates" and the like.

[@lizlou7601]

Among Protestants preterism was first accepted by Hugo Grotius[6][7] (1583-1645), a Dutch Protestant eager to establish common ground between Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church.[8] His first attempt to do this in his "Commentary on Certain Texts Which Deal with Antichrist" (1640) attempted to argue that the texts relating to Antichrist had had their fulfillment in the 1st century AD. Protestants did not welcome such views[9] but Grotius remained undeterred and in his next work, "Commentaries On The New Testament" (1641-50), he expanded his preterist views to include the Olivet discourse and the Book of Revelation.

[@rabbitholeinfo]

The way of this world is to put a label on everything and everyone. To call it something. None of this means that certain events and prophecies have passed, and none of it means that they have not. They want us so confused, and mind you even if we figure out any of this stuff, it will not save us in the end.

[@BilaamsDonkey]

I not sure we can call “we’re in the short season” Preterism. Here’s why I say that: My neighbors and close friends are preterists (or a-millennialists - it’s not clear). In fact, after a focused Bible study series, the idea that we are in the kingdom right now and it will slowly perfect itself is what I could not accept a couple of years ago, and got me to my knees asking for truth. (Enter biblical cosmology and a host of other things I didn’t realize I was asking for! 😂) When I brought THIS to them though, about a year ago, I got blank no-no stares. I was so excited to say “I think you’re right, but He literally reigned here!” The reaction was so unexpected and disengaged. They hold to the idea that it’s all/mostly been fulfilled, but ONLY in the “spiritual world.” I guess that’s where understanding our realm changes your viewpoint though. The spiritual and physical are inseparable for me. I had the same experience with an old friend who has a KZbin channel and holds preterist viewpoints.

[@christinelamb1167]

I agree, saying we're in "the short season" is NOT Preterism!

[@janthony-tz7mf]

Exactly. It's possible/likely that "preterism" is a ruse set up by these people that she mentions in this video. Believing we're in the little season is NOT preterism. She is deceiving by trying to label those who believe we're in the little season as preterists, and then putting out this video debunking preterism. It's really sad to see her do this.

[@susanjane2498]

Oh wow, so the labeled preterism is that it's only spiritual and not physical? That leaves more questions.

[@susanjane2498]

I too am spiritual and physical, can't break them apart, just like the trinity of God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are one. We have a body, a spirit and a soul, cannot break them apart until death for us.

[@christinelamb1167]

@@janthony-tz7mf I don't think that's what she's doing, that's not the impression I got.You have to watch all the other videos she's done on this subject to understand what she's talking about. If you only watched this video, I can understand your confusion on what she's explaining here.

[@lawrencedewan9838]

Excuse Me but... between Nero and the Reformation is only 1500 years Lest I forget leap years Thanks Julius!

[@MariannaKatz17]

Thank you so much. I always appreciate you bringing up evidence to the contrary of your own videos. It's very intellectually honest. I remember this from my youth and it always bothered me." Wait, what?" I wish my pastor was still alive so I could talk to him about this. He was like you, Shelly. Matthew 16:28 Geneva Bible of 1587-I use the 1560 version of the Geneva Bible. We have been told that it was the Bible brought over on the Mayflower. "Verely I say vnto you, there bee some of them that stande here, which shall not taste of death, till they haue seene the Sonne of man come in his kingdome."

[@denisegarchow1405]

Why would GOD give a prophecy thousands of years in the future to people back in biblical times? It would mean nothing to them. Did the second coming of YAHSHUA already happen? He was born (1st) was sacrificed, rose from the dead (2nd), this generation sell not pass away...... Witnesses seen him in his day, not some future date.

[@WhirledPublishing]

Where did you get "thousands of years in the future"? From your programming by your evil overlords? Show us where - in the Bible - we're told that Jesus lived thousands of years ago - the Bible never says that. If you point to Augustus Caesar and Tiberius in the New Testament as your evidence, then show us where - in the Bible we're told they lived "thousands of years ago" - the Bible never says that - your evil overlords say that with their fake carbon dating, their fake chemical analysis, their fake pottery analysis and their fake handwriting analysis. Why believe Jesus lived "thousands of years ago" when he lived in the 1500's.

[@TheWidowsOil]

The Number 1 Reason for the growing furore about Preterism (In case you did not see my comment on Understanding Conspiracy Channel) (It is NOT because they love what they see as truth, but because of the following very logical reason) The reason Preterism is now coming into their focus to be so viciously attacked, wheras previously it was just laughed at and brushed off, is because futurism upholds Christian Zionism, and Zionism is now being heavily questioned the world over due to Oct 7 attack and things following. Being a preterist is in effect being "anti semetic" (as they would see it.) Preterism is like an atom bomb to futurism, IF someone truly seeks truth. It will thoroughly once and for all rid you of the false doctrines of rapture and futurist thinking, IF you love truth and know your Bible, and understand how everything we've been fed are lies upon lies, and all you have left to believe is the Bible. Though I also say those seeking truth must not take on preterism now as their new DOCTRINE, but rather use preterim as a weapon against the lies we have been fed. I found it is an excellent "instrument:" to study in order to see the fulfilled prophecies and see the importance of 70 AD, which has been hidden from Christians. It helps blow up the futurist mumbo jumbo very well. I see it as a weapon to blow up "strongholds" in our minds. A very powerful weapon, and "they" know it. The time to get into it is now, because if many turn to it, the usual suspects will infiltrate it and muddy it's teachings, not only to hide truth but also because they can make money off selling books.

[@deborahchychota5578]

Love God. Love your neighbor as yourself. These are the only things Jesus told us to do. “THEY” want us divided. Blessed are the peacemakers!

[@TruthAmidstTribulation]

This was a very interesting topic - never heard of the historicism view before

[@Minee127]

I had read that about the Jsuits writing these theories along with the popes approval. I find these studies very compelling.

[@jadedempath7453]

Why cant it be past & future at the same tjme?

[@shellysangrey]

"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be." Matthew 24:21

[@briansmullen8390]

Yes, time is not linear.

[@theurbanthirdhomestead]

​@@briansmullen8390 If that isn't the truth! 🤯 When I began to really work on myself, memories popped up that I guess I had forgotten, but strangely, it was like they didn't really happen until the memory appeared in my mind. Really weird. I wish I could talk to the people involved to see if they remember the same thing. My whole life, I had no idea such a terrible thing had happened to me and how it had shaped my life. Makes me wonder if there's not more "memories" that will appear as I am ready to cope.

[@PheonixRises2040]

That makes no sense

[@thinkingislegal192]

Amen Shelly , the world want is devided , God wants us to be united . Denomination , Demonination ? the truth is hiding everywhere . 🙏🏼🇺🇲✌🏽💪🏽🐓

[@raceandros5079]

Nation divided 🔥🔥will fall🔥

[@hungrydude88]

God is good😊

[@praypetsrraptured2506]

Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV - The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[@susanspianostudio7057]

Hey Shelly, this isn't about your video but wanted to ask if you seen Exploring Tartaria channel deleted all her videos. 😥

[@shellysangrey]

Someone else pointed that out. ☹️

[@SonOfTheOne111]

I like preterism because the one clear historical moment in Revelation is the imagery of the virgin and the dragon, which points to the astronomical configuration in 3 BC (Virgo/Jupiter/sun/moon). That begins the story and places the starting point at 3BC. So what follows is allegory of the fall of Jerusalem and persecution of Christians. Babylon=Jerusalem, the Beast = Rome, and the Whore=Pharisaical/Rabbinic Judaism. That means Christian millennium is over and Satan has been released on the world. We are nearing final judgement, which aligns with the ascension that so many say is nearly here.

[@Spmama444]

I did ‘t know there was a name to someone like me that thinks we are the children of the disobedience after the 1,000 year reign and if that is what the short seasons means that we are allowed to be deceived in all things…well I guess I’m a historicis. Not sure how to spell it … Does it change anything??? No not really I’m still called to preach the gospel and plant seeds, to feed the hungry and help the widow… But here’s a thought to leave you with everyone’s so concerned by what the making the beast is … I have started asking people if they have the Mark or Sign of Yahweh … and so far most people have no clue that the father has his own mark. Though to me it’s obvious as the adversary can’t create anything new only twist and pervert it he fathers ways.

[@michelletillman6232]

Since you brought it up, can you explain how Yahweh’s portion was the desert? How is One getting a portion of anything that fully belongs to them?

[@michelletillman6232]

So when you have the mark of Yahweh, what are you really getting? It would be nice if you could just give a full well thought out response.

[@Spmama444]

The mark of the Father YHVH is found in the Torah, he says specifially This is My Mark/Sign that I may recognize you...There are many scriptures for it but it's along study, and once you find it you will have the satisfaction of it...Hint...Six days you shall labor ... it is a mark or a sign on the forehead or frontlets of your mind and hand...and it starts with an S....jsut don't have time to get all the scriptures for you at the moment...Happy Searching. @@michelletillman6232

[@Spmama444]

@@michelletillman6232 this seems like a very complicated question which someone much smarter then me and more time to write a thesis could do!!! How about set some study time this up coming sabbath and dig in deep!!!! I did see an amazing commentary on deserts that they all once were fertile ! Which also leads me to believe they didn’t get water because they were disobedient to Yahweh’s orders to come workshop at the temple!!!

[@TheDawnHasArrived]

@12:16 Yes there are. Maybe we need to consider what their motivation is to hide such things and which methods they would use to accomplish their goals....

[@Captain-Donut]

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[@mattg6472]

They are both wrong like you suspect. None the less Jesus came to divide. Luke 12:51-53 Matthew 10:34-39

[@jensherman2771]

The mud slinging is the point! Keeping the sheep divided. Easier to manage this way. Division all the way down to the family unit and even your very own divided mind. Thank you for always giving the best presentations. I appreciate you very much💛

[@Captain-Donut]

Exactly… agree. Maybe the interpretation of sheep is another way satan mocks JesusChrist. He is our Shepard guiding leading us to safety but we our his brothers and sisters battling our way through this hell on earth towards our Lord and savours Plan. 🙏❤️ Much Love Scotland ❤️🙏

[@robertrollice2829]

Did the Jesuits build all those structures we find, which brings us to our discussions today on Tartaria?

[@janthony-tz7mf]

Exactly. One of many, many key points that we must ignore, including the words of Jesus himself, if we are not to believe we're in the little season.

[@lifestationexpresslinda9425]

Thank you, Shelly!!

[@katiejon17]

Thank you for being so I attached to the human aspect of these topics. It’s really Jesus that we should all be focused on, and in our pursuit of the truth, acknowledge that man is not only likely to make innocent and well-meaning mistakes, but also those with malicious intent. We simply don’t know and are doing the best we can.

[@susanfit47]

Hi Shelley. Thanks for what you do. Just looked up topic info

[@robertbrackett9293]

Thank you so much for puttin this out there!!!

[@shellysangrey]

Thank YOU for the info!

[@samuelscamacca]

My wife had a teacher in fifth grade that told the class the earth is really flat. And that is one of the ways they hide GODS creation from you.

[@HRGM333]

The longing for labels and categories seemingly never ends. It doesn’t matter much! We have the scriptures from the codex and early Bible’s. The real question is when we read it ourselves, what do we believe the scriptures say. What can we see without seeing and hear without hearing. In the end it is truly what a believer of the Word believes. Shalom Shalom.

[@janthony-tz7mf]

Labels are dangerous and mostly disingenuous. Organized religion loves labels. Who runs organized religion🤔

[@kakea8403]

Here is what we do know: Evil exists in this world. Righteousness exists in this world. The Holy Spirit is here, but so is Satan. Yahshua told us He had given us power over evil. Yahshua comes back, when His body comes together. That would be us.

[@WhirledPublishing]

"Many are called ... few are chosen ... " Why? Because the vast majority are liars. Truth is not even a blip on their radar. Why? Because they have no conscience. Why? Because they are the hybrid spawn of satan - about half of them are fake christians parading around with their lies. Jesus said, "They have their reward" which means they shouldn't expect a reward in heaven ... Jesus said liars are the hybrid spawn of satan John 8:44 All liars will have their part in the lava lakes ... that will soon inundate this Earth.

[@wk3818]

Looking at these things differently now I think of the character Longines and his spear. I admit that I have always pfffftt that topic. But Jesus said even those who peirced him. I've always assumed it was the Jewish leaders that forced Pilate into Jesus's execution, which I still believe. But wasn't one of the soldiers credited with making a confession of faith there at the cross.

[@MyChihuahua]

'Soldiers' in those passages are referring to the Tempje guard.

[@Owen-sx4jj]

They use mat16:28 and that verse is not even talking about physical death at all. They get themselves confused when they could e Just read the verses prior to that one

[@shellysangrey]

Matthew 28:16?

[@Owen-sx4jj]

@@shellysangrey 16:28 my bad

[@reneesuter7884]

It doesn’t matter what this eschatological view is. What matters is what scripture says. Plain as day that Jesus has already returned

[@lazydiamond369remembertesl7]

It matters as the correct interpretation could help lead people to Our Lord

[@chrisporter449]

My wife and I watch the God Rules channel and believe what Tony on there says about the Millennial Kingdom being from about 450 A.D. To about 1450 A.D. the GodRules yt channel has a few good videos explaining the reasoning behind it ...

[@saulestala2173]

Acts 1:7 “And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.”

[@Itisfinished.]

Brilliant presentation and very fairly put. Thanks again Shelly.

[@Elkana888]

Doesn't matter of times in man's history only personal faith in Y'SHUA, the Son of God will save human soul. So why is anyone angry if his/her time concept is challenged? I call that the lack of spiritual and emotional intelligence. Thank you for your efforts 🙋‍♂️

[@susandundon5918]

People have been so preprogrammed to pick a side on everything. Pro this , anti that. All based on feelings. Our feelings will lie to us , that is why it is the worst time to make any decisions. Professionals in the mental health (any healthcare field) taught this pre pandemic. Seems like common sense and critical thinking skills were affected just like the flu during the pandemic. This is the time to be praying for discernment and wisdom in everything.

[@colonalklink14]

To have everlasting life you absolutely must trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation; this means that saving repentance is turning from unbelief to belief. There is no gospel without OSAS.

[@michaelseay9783]

Futurist falsehoods are fairly easy to debunk once you know how to discern passages in context.

[@mattg6472]

15:50 you say christ wanted us to be unified not divided... Jesus says he came to divide. Luke 12:51-53 Matthew 10:34-39

[@dorinamary7863]

Not to divide the church. To divide believers from unbelievers.

[@mattg6472]

​@@dorinamary7863you might have to take it up with Jesus. If you have a look at some context you will find the parable of the watching servants. There are 2 types of servants of the Lord. One that watches and one that does not. The one that does not is appointed his portion with unbelievers. Luke 12:46 This is Jesus dividing 2 so called believers placing one with unbelievers. Then Jesus says he came to divide and bring fire. He's dividing "believers". The problem is people believe Paul's Jesus and others believe the real Jesus. So he came to divide them

[@mattg6472]

​@@dorinamary7863Jesus knows whats to come thats why he warns us of the wolf in sheeps clothing that will come to the sheep after the Lord leaves for the wedding. Beware of that ravenous wolf of Benjamin Paul. Trust Jesus friend

[@dorinamary7863]

@@mattg6472 You're not really saying anything different than I did.

[@mattg6472]

@@dorinamary7863 Jesus isn't dividing believers from unbelievers in the parable he's dividing the believers from believers. Sheeps from goats. Its not the same thing your saying . Dividing believers from believers is dividing the church is what I'm saying

[@Mr53gil]

Man has always been easily mislead. When the Hebrews had left Egypt and Moses went up on the mountain to speak with the Father. So one in the group said lets build a golden calf and how did that work out for them? There has always been people who will tell you "My church is the best and the right church". So we spend our time seeking the right church, the one that will tell us what we wish to hear. Remember it was not the Romans who paid to have Christ captured, it was the church. There is 1 Father in Heaven, 1 Son of the Father and 1 Holy Sprit, 1+1+1= 3 and not 1. Christ prayed to the Father and not to himself. IMHO

[@Coco-j5w]

What was G's-us

[@dorinamary7863]

It's impossible that Moses spoke with the Father. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor have you seen His form. John 1:18, John 5:37, John 6:46

[@Mr53gil]

Thank you@@dorinamary7863

[@MyChihuahua]

YHUH is ONE. YHUH is Spirit, the Holy Spirit. The Spirit came in the body of YHUSHA. YHUSHA means 'YHUH is Salvation'. YHUH is our only Redeemer. YHUH is ONE.

[@Coco-j5w]

What I was getting at was Gods-us was the WORD in the beginning was the WORD.....like let's write a story and the white kid let's name him white or the black kid let's name him black in the Bible it's Jesus G's-us Gods-us..…Psalms you are all gods all sons of the most hi however you'll die as mortal men

[@TheRealRenn]

For those who love Christ and desire with all their heart to be with Him, please consider the fact that our Lord controls all things regarding times and seasons and when all these videos feeding confusion and taking away our peace are not from God, because He said He is not the God of Confusion and He is The One who gives us peace that passes all understanding. In the Gospel of John after Jesus had fed the 5000 and then walked on the water, the people came to Jesus and said "what shall we do to do the works of God?".....Jesus answered them and said; "the work of God is to believe in The One He sent". So brothers and sisters, as the confusion and deception become more and more apparent, anchor yourself tightly to Christ, The Rock of our salvation....stand firm, hold tight to Him regardless of what is coming and apparently now is. Maranatha!

[@janthony-tz7mf]

Amen. Endure to the end, keep the faith.

[@EriPages]

Objectively investigate whether Jesus' commandments are keeping Torah: Sabbath vs Sunday...unclean food...etc.

[@IntheL1ght]

We need not sling mud, remember read the Bible and pray and God will guide you via holy spirit. Jesus did not recruit priests, his apostles were leigh people. God's grace is sufficient.

[@WhirledPublishing]

God's grace comes to those who are truthful and peaceful, kind and helpful - grace does not come to arrogant liars or antagonistic troublemakers or to the manipulative greedy pigs which Jesus referred to as the swine. To be blessed with the Grace of God, you must be truthful, peaceful, kind and helpful - arrogant thugs need not apply - all liars will find their part in the lava lakes - which will soon flood out over this Earth.

[@rebeccaphelps3196]

THANK ⚘ YOU

[@karenannelopez]

We live in the here and now! HalleluYah.