Quick Tip: Red Dot vs Holographic Sight - What's the Difference?

[@morgans1262]

Keep in mind that for those with astigmatism red dots and holographics can looks blurry which is why many of us stick to reflex and prism sights.

[@milesrost6674]

Pin this to the top channel moderator. Thanks, Godspeed.

[@Backonos]

well you dont look at the dot you look at the target, so it should be out of focus.

[@luckyvaper6966]

@@Backonos If you don't have astigmatism in your eyes it makes sense that you don't understand. Let's put it like this: when you have astigmatism in your eyes it can make a 2 moa dot look like a 10 moa starburst with jagged edges. So regardless to the fact that you're shooting with both eyes open and focusing on the target, with a red dot you're still superimposing the image of the dot over the target. If the image of the dot is all out if whack, it's not going to work for you.

[@lawless911sc]

This is an oversimplification. Collimating, reflector type (like Aimpoint) red dots are the worst, Holographic sights lack the collimating reflector but have mirrors so are less likely to create astigmatic aberrations but are not perfect. People with astigmatism report the least aberrations with prism optics. Best to worst: Prism HWS RDS

[@ArgosySpecOps]

I have astigmatism & I just leave the smallest diopter flipped up on my rear iron sight. This keeps the dot crisp for me with my MRO on an absolute cowitness mount. Even with both eyes open the rear diopter ghost out, and all I get is a crisp dot superimposed over the target.

[@capt.mike73ahoy14]

Prism scopes would be a good addition to this presentation. Thanks for the video!

[@toddparsons2980]

Agree. Prism should've been included.

[@Rectitude4U]

I learned nothing.

[@johnbeauvais3159]

One of the differences between a red dot and a holographic sight in theory is the removal of parallax. A red dot is reflected to focus at an average range of points along a plane where a holographic sight is a collimated light that in theory is focused at infinity.

[@pewpewTN]

Magnifiers don't change the proportion, just the size. A 2 MOA dot magnified 2x & a target magnified 2x still = 2 MOA. The dot isn't actually covering any more of the target than it would be unmagnified.

[@jasonfoo8651]

Bro, I was just going to put in the comment on how a 1moa dot stays at 1moa magnified and a 2moa dot turns to 4. I was like WTF??? If anything if what he says was right then, a 1moa would change to 2 with that logic. Thank you for clearing that up.

[@project86xero]

I think two other key points is the amount of brightness available and Parallax shift. Eotech's are some of the brightest Optics on earth. Much brighter than an aimpoint. So if you're someone who has issues with light sensitivity and color blindness like me, or someone who just has old eyes, the EOTech is the only real option that gets daylight bright. Then there's the Parallax shift. The eotech has much less Parallax shift then many Optics. Parallax is basically whenever you have the reticle not completely centered in the optic your point of impact can shift. Especially at closer ranges. Many cheaper optics, and some expensive ones, have crazy parallax shift. The eotech has almost none. Which makes it much better for close up work. Combine that with the large window that's excellent for shooting faster in more awkward positions as well as its advantages with night vision and you got a fantastic optic.

[@drevil2783]

Nice explanation

[@linkbond08]

Have you though about getting a different color dot? Long read warning. Yes brightest is better most times, but contrast is a way to get more from brightness, If you live in the desert where most of your shooting is in orange, tan, or brown backgrounds, you can get a green dot. If your live in the forest or mountains where your shooting is on green or snowy background use red. I've been using the circle dot sight from Holosun, I know it's Chinese but the quality is very decent. The HE507C-GR V2 is what I have on my pistol (S&W M&P 1.0 357SIG) it's my daily carry for almost 2 years now and haven't had anything brake yet, it also has 2 or 3 night vision settings. I work at a farm so everything gets banged up here, including and specially anything protruding attached to my body.

[@steakwilliams4448]

@@linkbond08 I do believe holosun just moved their manufacturing to the US

[@linkbond08]

@@steakwilliams4448 I didn't know that thank you, I guess I don't have to feel bad for buying Chinese holosun optics anymore LOL.

[@ruel1072]

Great post. Oh, and green dots are fine as long as you're not hunting leprechauns.

[@thebrucechannel8061]

Top tip, I always carry extra batteries for my red dot reticle, have left it on a few times and killed the battery the next time I went to shoot.

[@BrutalExp3rt]

Holosun optics fixed that problem they are solar powered and even can run without battery in sunlight. Eotech for me looses in a shtf situation because of batteries. I would also partner it up with a sure fire weapon ligh might be expensive but unlike other brands olight even stream light they are the only ones that can take rechargeable batteries from other manufacturers. Olight has a a specific battery & stream light doesn’t recommend rechargeable

[@KenCuttyActual]

With all due respect Caleb, with a 2X magnifier the dot will be twice as big but so will the target, so moa should remain the same, right? Good video though. Thanks

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

Yeah A magnifier doesnt change proportions. Still good vid

[@coreymoyers]

He really tried to say it right. I think he understands it and it’s just semantics. I didn’t even know it was a thing but now it totally makes sense because nothing is reflected.

[@DK-vx5co]

Magnifiers on red dots magnify the dot too: With holographic (EoTech) the dot doesn't magnify (it stays the same). And to be fair, one reason the EoTech is so big is the complete second protective shroud the dots don't have. Also, even if part or most of the optic glass is broken or covered in mud, Any part you san still see through will place the dot on the target, even it it's out in a corner of the glass. The EoTech is like the Hummer of dot sights.

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

@@DK-vx5co dots are always magnified with the objective, reguardless of type. Holos tech allows for a smaller dot. Proportions dont change. Always look for smallest moa dot if you are going to magnify.

[@constantinosschinas4503]

He said that when you magnify with red dot, it is the same accuracy, when with hologram, you get double accuracy, because dot atays the same. (let us presume accuracy = dot size)

[@MikeA817]

now confuse newbies even more: prism optics

[@JJGuccione]

Basic red dots manifest quite a bit of flaring for the astigmatic shooters. If you're afflicted with astigmatism in your dominant eye, you may want to look at a more expensive prismatic reticle. Aimpoint and EOTech are quite expensive - There are great prismatic reticles out there that are reasonably priced.

[@jolosarmiento24]

If it’s for pistols you don’t really have much of an option other than to wear your damn glasses/contacts

[@anthonygenejones6744]

It's like you knew I was looking into this.

[@steve-harveyy]

Same thing for me this is the second time this has happened im starting to think im being watched.

[@drevil2783]

@@steve-harveyy you are.... Me too.... 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ledheadkustomplastic3442]

Oh that's just Google listening to your private conversations. Without you knowing. Happens to me alot.🤫🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@GNpatent]

A 2MOA dot does not become a 4MOA dot under magnification. Think about what you just said. That would mean the dot can fit neatly inside a 3 inch circle at 100 yards, but would completely obscure it under magnification.

[@GNpatent]

Need to fix your "Armalight Rifle-15" video too, btw. AR = Armalite, not Armalite Rifle See: AR-17 shotgun, AR-24 pistol BRN-180, Brownells Rifle Nsomething-180?

[@phprofYT]

Yeah ... I have to think about that as well. His statement was confusing to me.

[@randymagnum143]

It does become 3x as large, but so does your target. An etched lit reticle like on an lpvo does not.

[@GNpatent]

@@randymagnum143 Depending on the reticle's focal plane.

[@simply_based]

@@GNpatent I think BRN is an abbreviation of Brownells... unless that was your point

[@bryanwiedeman3154]

The EOtech system is absolutely the Tier 1 one option. Google Delta Force , SAS , SBS , Australian SAS, FBI HRT team etc…..and they all have the same system…every picture every time for any gunfight… Why because you can go outside with the EOtech green reticle and get near the edge of the sun and still pick it up just as easy looking down range on any flat range. You use a Rd Dot and you can’t barely find it looking car to car on a road with setting sun as background..

[@jarink1]

Excellent video. Summation\spoiler = 1) price 2) perceived dot size when using a magnifier

[@flea-kh7om]

I found my students closed one eye with the red dot sight. Where as the students with a holographic sight kept both eye's open and had much better peripheral vision. With that their team members to the right and left of them didn't get shot as often.

[@tubeonline629]

You saying your students are getting shot? Please tell us where you teach so we can avoid attending that class.

[@flea-kh7om]

@@tubeonline629 I taught for 45 yrs sir. The war I fought in we had no red dot or holographic sights. So I depended on the experience told to me by my younger students. Being Military I believe them. Were you Military sir or ever in combat? If you were thank you for your service.

[@dugtrux686]

Technology is great, but learn to shoot with an Iron sight. Technology comes and goes . or just dont work sometimes. (sorry Im an really old guy).

[@drevil2783]

Yup

[@warped2875]

Yes, learn the basics first. When technology lets you down, it is easy to employ "old school".

[@drevil2783]

@@Leveraction-xr4uz well then it's time to change your name. We'll call you "Peeping Tom"

[@channelview8854]

Have a BUIS. The dot on my Eotech sits perfectly on the sight post when I flip up the BUIS. I think that's pretty cool.

[@95talon07]

Learning to use them is great, using an outdated technology that isn't nearly are good because of nostalgia isn't worth my life.

[@plymcousa3002]

Love it Eotechs are great and so are dots but I tend to do better with holo due to astigmatism

[@lowerspeedhigherdrag]

Me too. This is gonna sound weird but I try a lot of glasses vs no glasses shooting. With holos i can actually still shoot accurately no glasses with the dot they bloom to much for me, to be useful as distance

[@skittlesmodz2939]

did anyone else notice the rocket launcher in the safe ? bad ass

[@Hungdungle563]

I had to look in the comments to see if anyone saw that

[@brianvannorman1465]

Liked that. Dumbed down enough, that even I can understand it.

[@Inboundlight]

@Brownells - you told us a lot of the benefits of the red dot but only one benefit of a holographic sight. I would have liked to hear some more benefits of the holographic sight, such as focus and acquisition speed, parallax, etc…

[@CaptainCreampie69]

Sounds like YOU don’t need to hear about it. It’s those that don’t know what the difference is that do…

[@Inboundlight]

@@CaptainCreampie69 Brownells is a reputable source. That is why I would like to hear it straight from them instead of the rumor and conjecture of the Internet. But thank you for your snarky comment just the same!

[@aslob9321]

I agree, also a holographic sight will not expose your position, or so I have read. I would like this idea Smithbusted!

[@troyhayes7967]

From Brownells' presentation, I cannot figure out why holographic sights are still being made. Who wants something bigger, heavier, costlier, and has less battery life.

[@Mitsurugi2424]

I don't think there that many differences, other than reticle size.

[@jetsonIFY]

Good video. I would have like to have seen representation of what the shooter sees with each type.

[@divadasoraled144]

That's actually what I was looking for when I decided to watch this video.

[@jstpsgthru]

No mention of astigmatism?

[@drevil2783]

Why are you swearing at us in a foreign language?? I did you no harm!!!

[@dingo5208]

I carried a holo sight in the sandbox and loved it. I had younger eyes and could hit a head (sized) target at 400 yards. Back home they are too pricey so I settle for red dots.

[@aklaunch]

I have 2 Eo's and 2 AP's. I love them both. You can't leave your Eo on. Depending on how you turn it on, it will turn off in 4 or 8 hours. Battery life is very good. You can go to the range many, many, many times before you need new batteries. You just can't leave it always on. For shooting practice i prefer the Eo any day of the week hands down. For the always on, always ready i prefer the AP.

[@JimYeats]

I would love to see Larry Potterfield hop into one of these videos and just have a cheerful mashup of information.

[@fullfire0]

You missed a lot of things here.... and you even got some things wrong. a 2moa dot under magnification doesn't become a 4moa dot. Edit: The magnifier magnifies EVERYTHING, including the target and the dot. The dot is still 2 moa in relation to everything else in the magnifier.

[@CalebSavant]

We are addressing the physical dot here, go check out some of the previous comments for a better explanation. Hopefully that will give you a better understanding.

[@jamesalles139]

Yes I put a large holographic sight on my large frame handgun for minimal parallax error at close range. This is a bulky configuration, but my requirements are precision over 'speed of the draw'.

[@communityprepper6153]

Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks!

[@MrSpinteractive]

Another important difference is that holographic sights usually feature multiple reticle types and colors to flip between depending on the task and purpose at hand.

[@robbond6696]

one of my favorite statements @ :52 " It's actually alot more complicated than it sounds"

[@chazdoomy1512]

I read somewhere that the magnified dot doesn’t change size your perception does. And that eotechs have a dot that is smaller than 1 moa so magnified its imperceptible.

[@GNpatent]

Yes I believe even EOTech describes their dot as 1MOA but in reality it only appears that large with the naked eye.

[@Samuel-vm7hn]

@@GNpatent Honestly I don't know why they do that, just give an actual number and then say that it is resolved to 1 MOA by your eye without magnification. As far as I've heard, it is still the same perceived size at 6x magnification so at the very least we know it's a 1/6 MOA dot.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

I would suggest that you don’t skimp on optics - you truly get what you pay for. And try them out first. You might like the speed and huge sight box that the Eotech provides - thousands of Army Rangers, Green Berets, and Delta prefer them.

[@loquat44-40]

Good topic and I see the comments have a lot of information.

[@rexmccomb7589]

I live in south east Arizona how do they hold up in heat and bright sunshine

[@bertg.6056]

Great presentation, Caleb. Thanks ! I learned from it. Those of us with astigmatism will see a red dot as a sort of comma.

[@linkbond08]

Aside from dot size, what would be the benefits of choosing a holographic sight over a standard LED sight? Holosun makes sights with a full on reticle not only a dot, or your choice of circle dot combo, and they have them in green too. I just don't see enough benefits of choosing a Holo over a Dot. And "looking cool" is subjective.

[@chazdoomy1512]

If the sight is damaged/lenses break an eotech will still work. And the sight itself appears better under magnification based on the sources I read. A 2moa dot even magnified is pretty danm small just not as “fine” an aiming point as a lpvo or traditional scope is.

[@linkbond08]

@@chazdoomy1512 I just think if I'm gonna use a magnifier a lot, at that point a illuminated LPVO would be a better choice altogether.

[@chazdoomy1512]

@@linkbond08 its a personal choice. There are negatives and positives to both. Just buy quality.

[@HelloWorld-nk9ph]

From what I've read, the reticle on the EOTech appears to float at the same distance as your target, whereas a red dot will appear up-front in your vision. This makes both-eyes-open shooting really easy (that and the huge viewport). I own an EOTech, so I can tell you this is true, but my experience with red dots is limited, so I don't know if makes a huge difference over the dots. I think you can't go wrong with either a good red dot or an EOTech.

[@linkbond08]

@@HelloWorld-nk9ph reticle appearance might make a difference for some people, I have been shooting just fine with just a circle and dot. And I am not by any means down playing the eoTech, it's a proven sight, but it's an older design, and LED technology has come a long way. I'm more worried about size, weight, battery life, first. hardness, and price, second. I'm not trying to overthrow a government with it, I'm trying to have fun and make some hits at 200 max

[@freedomridermorty4459]

In my case the older I get the more I love my Eotech and with the G33 Magnifier it's a perfect set up for my home defense/ truck 10.5 rifle. On my 14.5 Carbine I prefer a LPVO like the Vortex Viper 1X6. Batteries are easy, I just change them on a Birthday.

[@jussimakarussi]

A 2 MOA dot WILL STILL be a 2 MOA dot behind a magnifier...or do you only magnify the dot but not the target you're looking at? The dot will still cover the same amount of target as it did before, hence the MOA stays the same. Don't know where this myth got started, but it needs to stop. Otherwise a good and short introduction to red dot vs holo sights.

[@kingevil443]

Is no one going to mention the rocket launcher in the safe 😂

[@CalebSavant]

Na, it has iron sights anyways lol

[@SlingsAxes]

What about prism sights?

[@davidstuck2866]

Thank you, that was quite informative.

[@Matt_justlikethat]

Thanks for explaining Caleb👍👍

[@EvanG529]

I am trying to figure out the difference in the mechanism, why does NO video on these cover that?

[@Fabyfakid]

I needed this, thanks!

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

Caleb, great video but a magnifier does not change proportions. The last part is incorrect about red dots and has been covered by others before. The same is for holos and red dots. A 4x magnifier isnt going to make a 1moa dot into a 4moa dot. Reguardless of the tech. Try it at 25 yards and 100yards with and without magnification. The 1moa dot will always cover a 1inch square with and without magnification.. or a 4 moa dot will always cover 4 square inches.

[@CalebSavant]

I believe you misunderstood, I never said that a 1moa dot will grow.

[@allthingsconsidered3211]

@@CalebSavant thanks for replying 😀 Regardless if its an 1moa dot or 2moa. The proportions dont change was what i was trying to say. A 2moa and 4x magnifier isnt going to make an 8moa dot. Im not a scientist but this is something i remember from school and focusing light. Optical aberration: Some people are commenting that the actual holos have sub moa dots. You can see this under magnification as you would look at any other focused laser/light source. The dot is sub moa under magnification as well as under the naked eye. But A phenomenon occurs where we cant get a true definite line where the light/laser starts and stops. Its very close though. So the brightest part of the light is the center and the darkest the edges where it blurs slightly then stops. This blurring is called the optical/chromatic aberration. Our eye is a lens as well as the optic with multiple. This allows for the “tolerances” to not be perfect and the distortion to happen. The end result is the dot under the naked eye looks like an 1moa dot because our eyes arent magnifiers and cant see the fine blurring of such a tiny dot. Well unless yoi usve eagle eyes and get really close to your optic. Suns get halos too dont know if this is the same. Heck i could be wrong too If you could please maybe explain in a video a little deeper it would help a lot of us. And maybe throw in some jokes in the future about the hair. Thanks for all the great videos *coffee cheers* ☕️ 🍻

[@larrypesek8818]

Have had an Aimpoint on my Ruger Mk 2 for 30 + years... no problems to report. Great training tool for the price too! The dot is where the bullet will go, the rest is up to you.

[@jeffrusch8988]

Great video!

[@8mmmauserman]

Thanks Caleb! Would you be willing to do a video on the advantages and disadvantages of red dot sizes? I see some as big as the Aimpoint Comp M4, and some smaller ones like Sig's Romeo 5. What is the difference other than size?

[@GrippinTheGauge206]

Durability

[@therealfilthyanimal]

Awesome explanation!!!Thank you 👍🏽👍🏽

[@kousha12]

3:25, wait what? A 2MOA dot doesn't become 4MOA under magnification!!! Does it? Even if it does, then why wouldn't a 1MOA become 2MOA instead of staying 1MOA?

[@zz3690]

First you're right, magnification doesn't change the MOA. Secondly, the example that you used is not good. A red dot is a physical thing, so if Kaleb's statement was true (which IMO isn't) a 1 MOA would become 2 MOA, since we aren't talking about abstract numbers like in arithmetics.

[@CalebSavant]

@@zz3690 Actually no, first off its *Caleb. Secondly (thanks to lawless911sc) The human eye can only discern a single point of light no greater than ~1 arcminute or 0.017 degrees (roughly 1 MOA) in the visual spectrum. An Eotech's center dot is ~.33 (.28 I think??) MOA so our eyes just round it up (more like bloom it out) to precisely .94 arcminutes/ 0.0003 radians, or about 1 MOA. There's no black magic there - if you magnify that X3 you still get

[@brandondavis4306]

which sight is brighter I have a vortex cross fire red dot and can barley see it on a sunny day unless it's on an 11. I have a holosun green hologaphic sight and I can see that on the brightest of days on the lowest setting.

[@jimjungle1397]

I bought an Aimpoint red dot sight and an Eotech holographic sight to compare the two types. I haven't installed the batteries yet.

[@josephharris5346]

Brownells does not warranty their products sold thru Optics Planet

[@babybear5001]

Hi there. Question. I've a lever action, iron sights, tapped for a rail. I want to shoot with the sights but old, buggered eyes. Magnifier is mentioned in the video. Is there not something to mount a corrective lens on the rail mounts? Or would that not work? cheers me dears.

[@jimsanchez2284]

I use both. Just a matter of knowing how to use. Never buy cheap!!!

[@jomama7458]

What would you recommend for a AR pistol with no brace held at arms length?

[@randymagnum143]

I've found that a quality lpvo to be a more versitile option.

[@Mitsurugi2424]

This. Having used all manner of red dots, holographic sights, both with and without magnifier, I have come to the conclusion that a QD 1-4 with an Illuminatable etched center dot and good eye relief IS the way to go. You have the faux red dot for quick acquisition and you have the zoom to more easily descern and reach out and touch somebody.

[@samuelw4492]

Parallax and eye relief kinda sucks for close quarters unconventional stance shooting

[@dalehazard8016]

Iron sights never loose zero, don't need batteries and are usually as close to the barrel as they can get by reducing parallax error to a very low level therefore making the firearm more accurate over varied distances. Red dot, holographic, and laser sights have a parallax error which changes zero at varied distances because they are further away (higher) than the bore axis. I'll stick with my fixed or iron sights.

[@HoosierQuail]

Is why I like the glass etched in designs

[@doityourself2save]

Does one or the other help you with procession or accuracy?

[@larryfromwisconsin9970]

I don't think you ever said, other than overall size and dot size any advantages or disadvantages of use.

[@timrobinson6573]

Do holographic sights have unlimited eye relief like a red dot?

[@jonflanagin6682]

I'm looking for a red dot to replace my Springfield 1911 loaded with target sights ?

[@hawkshadowoseanacy5171]

In what example situations would a holographic be great and the two others be lousy choices? My experience is even with a red dot I can be offset to the sight and still hit my target, is this misremembered, let me know.

[@jimd8008]

Thank you

[@roygorman6624]

What about eye relief?

[@nickloven6728]

Unless your running NVG's, I can't see any reasons to choose a EOTECH over a red dot.

[@flipfloppingwithMike]

Well said. Especially if budget matters on the selection of an optic...not everyone has $600 for an Eotech, but $60 for a Bushnell red dot will do the job just fine.

[@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193]

It’s a faster optic

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Thousands of Army Rangers and Green Berets (and Delta) love and prefer Eotechs. The “donut of death”.

[@nickloven6728]

@@YT_handles_r_stupid which are?

[@channelview8854]

The Eotech is well-proven to be resistant to shock, vibration and general environmental degradation. On a hard recoiling weapon a cheap electronic sight of any type may have a lifespan measured in a few rounds. Most any semi-auto shocks the sights pretty hard when the bolt slams home, too. Add that to environmental effects and it adds up. Oh yeah, one more thing. I had trouble with my Eotech when a few years out of warranty and they fixed it for me ABSOLUTELY FREE.

[@mikeyakus2939]

Beginner question: Does either just shoot where the dot is? How about if your eye is offset a bit? I was hoping for even more basic information.

[@jcnikoley]

Most red dots are parallax corrected for 50 or 100 yards, so they will hit where the dot is regardless of being centered at that range. Refer to the specs of the specific optic. The parallax will be set based on intended use, so a pistol red dot, 50 and a rifle 100. Closer or further from the range they correct for, the bullet will not hit where the dot is if it’s not centered.

[@goinhot9133]

Trijicon RMR type 2 offers a 1MOA dot.

[@meestameestaaaaaa]

Meet the robinsons boy has come a long way..

[@fender19281]

so what if u zero a red dot under magnification? would it make it more accurate and not double your moa?

[@lucaswoods1155]

I don’t know any holographic sights with a year long battery life and holographic sights are the only optics where the glass can be completely shot out and still work

[@snake1625b]

I just play video games and was curious how they work in real life

[@phprofYT]

If I put a holographic sight on my M1 would that be consider sacrilege and cause the implosion of the universe?

[@A_L_E_G_S]

Depends, is it an Abrams or a Garand? ;)

[@mauriceofnassau5476]

If its a Garand then dont do it, the entire universe will come to an end if you do !

[@Big6Duke]

Now do reflex and prism sights.

[@cbremer83]

My red dot on my AR totally covers an 8 inch target with my magnifier behind it at 100 yards. Not exactly ideal. But, I can put a 3 inch steel target in the middle of the blob and hit it with the brightness turned down a bit. Really need a better optic.

[@nk-dw2hm]

My holo+3x magnifier doesn't cover a ton of the target, but I still prefer more magnification if I'm doing 100+ yards

[@cbremer83]

It is behind the red dot... And I am very aware of what I am seeing. It is not a terribly high end optic by any means. I tried changing the spacing between the two, see if that made a difference. Not really.

[@russf6572]

I bought a _Tacticon 'Predator V3 Micro'_ Red Dot for a carbine, and liked it so much I ended up buying two more for other weapons. At $40 they were a good deal. I see they're now $55, so I'm glad I got them when I did.

[@onpsxmember]

Good thing you got 3, so you can replace one after it falls apart. I buy what survives the testing by sage dynamics. You pay for the glass, housing material, small amount of parallax, battery life, break resistance, anti fog/scratch coatings and reduced glare against sunlight . Think where this low price comes from...low quality, no QC, inhumane working conditions.

[@russf6572]

@@onpsxmember Yeah. Right. Just because you say it's so, doesn't mean it is. (as a matter of fact, it probably means it isn't!)

[@brianmoore1164]

Excellent video. One more question please. How do they compare on the sharpness of the dot? I haven't used one in years now, but the edges of the dot being fuzzy always bothered me. Which is best on that?

[@jarink1]

Does the fuzziness increase with the brightness? If so, it's more likely you have an astigmatism than anything happening with the sight.

[@Alexjimb0]

Yup sounds like astigmatism. Get a prism sight

[@lunaticrider209]

@@jarink1 anything to fix it? Thanks

[@CM-ve1bz]

Try a Holosun 510C. I can't use an Eotech because the center dot is 3 dots to my eye and the circle is about 200 dots. The Holosun is sharp as a tack for me.

[@lunaticrider209]

@@CM-ve1bz thanks! My vortex and sig sauer are way to fuzzy and only get worse with brightness turned up.

[@benkanobe7500]

I don't know either technology but see them all the time. It would have been good to know why you would choose one technology over the other without the consideration of cost.

[@nk-dw2hm]

Not much reason to get a holo sight unless you're using nightvision or have really bad astigmatisms. Check them out in person at a store and see if you like a red dot before jumping to a holo

[@benkanobe7500]

@@nk-dw2hm Thanks!

[@petersouthernboy6327]

@@benkanobe7500 literally thousands of Army Rangers, Green Berets, and Delta prefer Eotech - so use what you like. Don’t skimp on optics

[@benkanobe7500]

@@petersouthernboy6327 Thanks! I appreciate it. Back in '73 my Marine issue M16A1 only had iron sights.

[@brandonwardlow4246]

I’m pretty sure that holographic sights are better at mitigating parallax shift too

[@Legatus2kx]

Can you also add LPVO in the mix?

[@joshuanattinger9694]

I have astigmatism. Can you cover optics for those like me?

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

I have an astigmatism too, my Eotech EXPS2-0 works great for me. If you're not willing to drop $600 on a chance, I'd recommend a prism or an lpvo.

[@oso1165]

Describe prism scopes

[@howtodave1725]

My eyes are so bad I don't see a red dot I see a red splat.

[@terrybailey9621]

Take a look at prismatic sights, they don't have any issues. I have a slight starburst in my right eye when using red dots but nothing with prismatic sights. Primary arms has a lineup built like tanks.

[@howtodave1725]

@@terrybailey9621 I will thanks

[@CM-ve1bz]

Holosun 510C fixed that problem for me. Eotech was a no go for my eyes but the Holosun is very crisp.

[@chazdoomy1512]

Glasses changed my life for red dots. Look into getting a good prescription.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

You have astigmatism. Get prescription glasses or contact lenses to correct for it.

[@prenticegoodwin3522]

You lost me on why 2 moa red dot is 4 moa when magnified, but a holographic is 1 to 1. Could you explain that in more detail?

[@CalebSavant]

Sure, the 1MOA in the holo is actually smaller than 1 MOA but our eye perceives it as 1 MOA. So as we magnify that >1 MOA, we still only see it as 1 MOA.

[@justinsmudde2554]

I did not learn any differences between the two

[@ThomasBilt]

Dayum this man could hear a pen drop from one zip code to another

[@dandubenko2525]

What's a good optic for a semiauto 12 gauge

[@chazdoomy1512]

Pretty much depends on what you are using it for. A red dot style optic might be best or a bead sight depending on what you are using this shotgun for. Your best bet for a general purpose type sight is probably your basic red dot. And at the BAREST MINIMUM spend $100 do not buy no name knock off stuff from amazon. Bushnell makes decent sights with a good warranty for pretty cheap. Id step it up to at least the $200 mark and go from there. By once cry once The see all sight is also a great option for a shotgun if you want something something in the middle of an iron/bead sight that doesn’t require batteries. Ive always wanted to try a primary arms cyclops on a shotgun too.

[@dandubenko2525]

@@chazdoomy1512 thanks for letting me know

[@jackshett]

I'm not a shotgun owner, but I'd say an optic of any kind is overkill for most shotgun uses. Maybe a low profile red dot if you really want one, but I would think ghost rings would be ideal unless you need the most accuracy possible.

[@styleyriley]

The entire picture gets bigger with magnification, not just the dot. So yes, it does make the dot bigger but it's all relative.

[@steveleon2627]

Awesome

[@michaelbrininstool4515]

So, one is more complex (can break easier), is more expensive, is heavier and bigger....so does it really have much of an advantage? Using a dot at all is not very accurate. Instead of a holographic with a magnifier, just get a scope.

[@usbiv223]

Now reflex sight pls! 😸

[@johnnyshanksalot8358]

I'm no expert so I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that was a Holosun that has an ACSS reticle with a chevron at the center, how is it 2 moa? Plus the other error everyone mentioned about the 2 moa becoming 4 thing. You guys are normally awesome but I would scrap and redo this video, half of what you said was false.

[@CalebSavant]

If you think it was false, please explain your reason.

[@johnnyshanksalot8358]

@@CalebSavant Was that not the Holosun 503g with ACSS reticle and a chevron not a dot? The tip of that chevron is not 2 moa, it's infinity moa. As far as the 2moa vs 4, it's my understanding that the if the image is magnified along with the dot, moa hasn't changed as the 2 are still the same size in relation to one another. Am I missing something?

[@Troysbuildsnlife]

Also confusing to old guys like me who learned with iron sights and never done anything else

[@jackson_craft_gamingscates9324]

some of these large phone manufacturers/consumers could take a lesson from the gun community....we wont buy stuff that isnt built to last

[@arsbadmojo]

Normally love your videos, but gotta give a big thumbs down to this one. What are these good for? Why would I want one? How do I use it?

[@CalebSavant]

We have done those in the past, that's not what this video is. Before thumbs downing this video, check out the video you were actually looking for then come back to this one for a better understanding.

[@arsbadmojo]

@@CalebSavant Fair enough I guess, and I understand these tend to be short hits rather than comprehensive, but you could include links to that content in the video I would think?

[@CalebSavant]

@@arsbadmojo We didn't because we have done WAY too many on the topic! But here's this- kzbin.infosearch?query=red%20dot

[@foxiiitrot]

Eotec holographic sights are WAY MORE DURABLE than anything else; IT’S A HOLOGRAM! Even if the glass breaks YOU STILL HAVE A SIGHT!

[@wade6523]

When is this guy going to start telling us about his paranormal investigations?

[@Stormbringer505]

I would advise looking at battery cost and availability in times of need . The EO Tech shown takes a CR 123 expensive and unless you stock up in times of need hard to get. Any sight that takes double AA batteries is preferred.

[@harrkev]

Which ones take AA batteries? For red dots, coin cells are common.

[@Stormbringer505]

@@harrkev I have a aimpoint comp M 4 takes 1 AA and has a 8 year battery life . EO Tech 512 is also highley rated and takes 2 AA batteries . Enjoy

[@petersouthernboy6327]

Literally thousands of Green Berets, Army Rangers, and Delta prefer Eotech. Use what you like and don’t skimp on optics.

[@Orcinus24x5]

A CR123 is not expensive, and if you buy rechargables, you only pay once. Don't be a cheapskate.

[@petersouthernboy6327]

@@Orcinus24x5 plus CR123’s are powerful, long lasting, you only need one, they’re small and compact, and as a spare they fit quite nicely inside a pistol grip. Most rail lights use a CR123 also.

[@TruthBombz]

Brownells ship times are still horrible.