R*ping a child is a Personal Choice says Vegan | Extinctionist vs Vegan

R*ping a child is a Personal Choice says Vegan | Extinctionist vs Vegan | Vegan Exposed

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@UranoSteam Ай бұрын

dude really feels cool with those glasses inside at 12 noon huh.. he's in his own little world

@UranoSteam Ай бұрын

i get it that the idea that something is bad is subjective to the single person, but it's NOT enough of a justification.

@MuhTranshumanroght 5 ай бұрын

Kudos to you for not playing along with word game🤣we know sufferings bad since we probed it first hand experience we dont just say that for nothing so theres no point for all those endless debates over it

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

That's what I wanted to expose. I don't want to get into that idealism materialism bullshit. Just simply debunk him for a layman.

@lonergettingstronger2537 5 ай бұрын

When Vegan Gains said your definition of r*pe is wrong because a 12 year old may consent to intercourse with an adult; he’s wrong because that is statutory r*pe which can be either consensual or non consensual, but the definition of r*pe by itself is always non consensual intercourse.

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

@@lonergettingstronger2537 those are legal terms. He wasn't discussing that. He provided some defenition of the word which had consent in it. And the he says sometimes people will like it. What a moron.

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

@@lonergettingstronger2537 the guy seems to have a separate dictionary that's not found anywhere in the Internet.

@lonergettingstronger2537 5 ай бұрын

@@Pro_extinction And his view that objective truths exist independent of a mind makes me wonder does he think anything is objectively real because how can you observe an objective fact without your subjective perception of that fact in the first place, how can you determine anything is true without experiencing it in the first place whether you feel it, hear it, observe it ect ?

@efilism 5 ай бұрын

@@Pro_extinction You have no idea how dumb you're making yourself look.

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

@@lonergettingstronger2537 they are just some morons rambling something unimportant. We all know suffering is important. Let's work against it instead of trying to see the logic of psychos. Cuz ull find none.

@prajwalpanwar25 3 ай бұрын

Are you a Vegan? Do you consume meat and dairy or fishes?

@Pro_extinction 3 ай бұрын

@@prajwalpanwar25 no I don't. But I don't wanna be clubbed with those good for nothing vegans. So I would be happy if you don't call me a vegan.

@jimmyjohnny5661 Күн бұрын

Proextinction isn't vegan

@knick5218 5 ай бұрын

You seem to be really confident in your position, so it should be no issue for you to provide an argument in favour of morality being objective. I'll wait

@jeevanjayakrishnan4503 5 ай бұрын

Such a d*mb @55. I have never seem such 1d10ts, who can't even digest basic stuffs in life for the first time in my life. Morality is a word that we humans define. Definitions of all words itself is subjective in the sense that you speak. Morality is a set of principles that guides you to separate good behaviour from bad. The purpose of morality is to maintained social relations( which will boil down to 'tackling suffering'). Subjective morality is an oxymoron. It's just Common sense. It's stpd as fk. If everyone can have their own code of Conduct, then there is no point of morality. Go and learn some basic english words atleast before you get into any argument . I don't know whether you can gain cmn snse at this age. Good luck anyway

@antinataliz9633 2 ай бұрын

Sentient feelings are pretty objective. They are even testable and can be studied and falsified.

@knick5218 2 ай бұрын

@@antinataliz9633 Is that supposed to be an argument in favor of morality being objective? Your comment literally doesn't include a conclusion lmao

@antinataliz9633 2 ай бұрын

@@knick5218 ofc it is. Why else would I reply?

@knick5218 2 ай бұрын

@@antinataliz9633 Try again in that case. Might help to google what an argument is first though.

@normalusername6387 5 ай бұрын

why dont you post the full video?

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

@@normalusername6387 most of it is vegan gains asking for an argument for why rape is bad and me telling the defenition of bad. Full video is there on his channel if u want to watch.

@efilism 5 ай бұрын

@@Pro_extinction VG was asking you to ground why r is bad, more specifically why r is objectively bad because you were there to defend objective morality. Your answer boils down to, "R is bad because R is bad". More broadly speaking, your position is "Objectively speaking, suffering should be eliminated by forcing extinction because objectively speaking, suffering should be eliminated by forcing extinction".

@jeevanjayakrishnan4503 5 ай бұрын

OK bro. I got it. So your point is that a r*pist should have a personal choice to r *p your mother. Right? 100% clear now

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

@@efilism an apple is an apple because it's an apple. Makes perfect sense to me.

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

@@efilism before you take classes here go back to your school and finish your english homework

@sarfarazansari8153 5 ай бұрын

I actually agree with VeganGains that Morality is subjective. For example AntiNatalist like me believe that having kids a big moral crime but rest of the world doesn't consider it as a moral crime.

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

Do u think anyone is blind ? We all know people have different morality. That's not what he says. He says it can be based on preference. Not that it is ! He denies obvious facts like suffering is bad.

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

He compared choosing to r**e to choosing between a pineapple pizza. That r**e is wrong is not a fact.

@abhishekm6703 5 ай бұрын

That's why R*pe, Crime, Wars are happening because people think morality is subjective.

@pamparanea 5 ай бұрын

@@Pro_extinction Strictly speaking, I have been r**ed by multiple girlfriends of mine and I have also r**ed some of my girlfriends. It was r**e because there was no informed and enthusiastic consent, just like VeganGains said. In most cases it hasn't demonstrably led to more suffering than not doing it. But a Christian would come and say that it was all wrong, evil and sinful because it was out of wedlock. But much more aggressive stuff would have been fine if we were married according to them. It's all highly subjective.

@jeevanjayakrishnan4503 5 ай бұрын

@@pamparaneafunniest stuff i have read recently🤣🤣. "suffering is not always bad, because, once suffering happened to me and I didn't suffer" Damn you didn't get any better stuff to defend him bro?😂

@henryp. 5 ай бұрын

What the philosophers don't get is hard physical mind-independent Objective reality is only ever DESCRIPTIVE so it's begging the question fallacy to ask for an objective wrong, A PRESCRIPTIVE event / Bad / Problem-generating can only happen through subjectivity as an IS and Ought in one, they reduce subjective down to opinion which is not the same thing. The value comes from the value engines themselves, not something external outside it that needs to prove or grant it value. *Of the mind* vs *Outside the mind* is the only distinction, now what's it mean to set the goalpost of proving Problem / Bad existing outside of subjects or value-engines themselves, it's preposterous. The truth is in the experience and actual measuring it first-hand, it's impossible to know Problematic / BAD if never feel it, just a fact. All the nihilists can say is it's my strong intuition the torture is problematic, somehow I've been fooled and perverted the feeling unfairly, it's not really bad. Or they'll say yes it's BAD / negative but that's an IS statement, we can't say it's actually a real PROBLEM or Ought do something about... Next I'll ask you to explain how something can be "BAD" "Negative" but "not a Problem", these words have meaning, either torture is BAD / negative, or it's not. It only need be shown it IS and implicit is an Ought is baked in because (BAD) PROBLEM - > Solution, logic follows. They might abject and say no it's only an IS that torture is bad (problematic), where do you get the Ought from that? The ought comes from labeling it what it IS... a PROBLEM which therefore demands a solution, if you try and back out by saying well... it's in NEED (OUGHT) of no solution. well then it by definition cannot be a Problem and so you broken words and logic. I'll you have to ask the nihiists is if one is deluded or fooled to thinking torture for torture sake is problematic / bad. Is it unreasonable to prefer cupcake vs nail in the eye? Should we logically toss a coin? If **"BAD / PROBLEM"** does in fact exist, we would not see the exact same behaviour VG is demonstrating? They have not thought it through. I almost once took nihilism seriously until I realized it smuggled in a bunch of presuppositions. And the false dichotomy. If evolution created the real thing of PROBLEM generating sensation or Prescriptive "don't do that again!" message / signal, then there's no IS OUGHT gap to bridge, the Ought can only ever exist as an IS itself arguably, and the joke is they'd still be playing the same game like the BAD or OUGHT must be found externally outside ourselves Or go from an IS (bad/problem/oughty-ness/prescriptive-ness) to an OUGHT... which again is their flawed assumptions. The question is, is it logical to recognize torture as PROBLEMATIC or is it a delusion? Did evolution make the real thing or are we/I/animals all being duped? Somehow one is fooled to see a Problem where there is none? De-Nihilist clowns. Evolution created 2 key parts in us, 1. first the problem-generating feeling being, 2. next the intelligence device to solve the problem. And it's been damn effective over millions of years.

@PromortalistinGodmode 4 ай бұрын

do u have brain cancer?

@InescapablePain1111 5 ай бұрын

Good job I bet these views will save the world from suffering 🖕

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

Yes. The person who is gonna cause extinction finally might be watching this video !

@jeevanjayakrishnan4503 5 ай бұрын

No bro. You living like a coconut floating in water can only save the world from suffering

@Nobleeding 3 ай бұрын

No offence but,extinctionism is another word for irresponsibility. Just because non vegans cause extremely relevant harm to this earth and life contains suffering,doesn’t mean humans and animals should all die.this earth can’t function without animals/plants.you have a lot of potential to become a vegan😢I hope I’ve planted a seed in you and you go the right path because it’s better to experience happiness and help this planet earth by simply existing.❤ Note:I do not support vegan gains because he’s a terrible person in general and makes bad arguments.

@Iam-not-VEGAN-but- 3 ай бұрын

I was sick for a day recently and even that suffering can get really, really bad. Like, you-are-programmed-to-think-it-is-the-worst-thing-ever bad. Keeping that in mind, extinctionism seems reasonable somewhat. I'm not necessarily an extinctionist because I don't know what to think about the things even still

@jeevanjayakrishnan4503 2 ай бұрын

Ayyo, 'poor earth is suffering ' kind of guy😂

@Nobleeding Ай бұрын

Please,you are not god to interfere with nature,you may think you know everything but just,no.

@jeevanjayakrishnan4503 15 күн бұрын

@@Nobleedingso you know everything?

@etruscanetwork 5 ай бұрын

I think you're misrepresenting VeganGains' arguments here He's not necessarily saying that rape is not bad for the individuals, what he's saying is that there's no objective proof that it's bad I think he tends to focus a lot on nihilism, because if you really go deep into it you might conclude that nothing is objectively true, everything is subjective and I think that's what he may be trying to convey here You can definitively use subjective information to point out rape as a bad thing, the problem is that it's also possible to use subjective information to point out rape as a good thing VeganGains has some good arguments, but I think many of the people he debates don't really understand what he's trying to say when he asks for an objective proof of something, the same thing happened in Inmendham's debate and as an efilist it's really sad to watch these debates when the participants misunderstand the arguments

@Pro_extinction 5 ай бұрын

@@etruscanetwork what part of r**e being a valid choice as choosing a pizza didn't you get ?

@etruscanetwork 5 ай бұрын

@@Pro_extinction Yes, I understand it, but still it's subjective, if I were you I wouldn't really try to prove suffering as an objective fact tbh, there's a lot else more to focus, and just because it is subjective it doesn't mean it isn't a valid concern You are completely right in everything you say about suffering, except that it can't be shown as objective, since it can only be experienced through subjective experiences

@antinataliz9633 2 ай бұрын

@@etruscanetworktypes of suffering and what constitutes suffering is subjective, suffering is bad isn't subjective.

@jeevanjayakrishnan4503 15 күн бұрын

@@etruscanetworkyou are talking absolutely bullshit. Suffering is something which is basically defined as 'bad experience'