RACE REPLAY: 2015 Haskell Invitational

American Pharoah returned with a win in the 2015 Haskell Invitational Sunday at Monmouth Park.
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[@fionawimber1028]

American Pharoah was in freaking cruise control down the stretch. No stick, no shaking the reins. He was cantering home! Wow, just wow!

[@kyrae8726]

American pharaoh is absolutely amazing! He's an extraordinary horse!

[@JosiahKopp]

If he wasn't eased at the end, he could've easily broken the track record. What an unbelievable horse.

[@taxisteve929]

Espinoza was a statue to the wire. Could have won by twice as much if he wanted without using the whip.

[@taxisteve929]

taxisteve929 I watched this again....just look at his hands resting on American Pharaoh's withers the entire stretch and most of the race...then look at the horses behind him, and the jocks pumping the horses with their hands up near their ears going for every last bit they have. This horse was all but eased the last quarter doing it on his own. What a horse!!!!!

[@kristiesnively6943]

I'm just shaking my head. Wow. Incredible. Victor scared me there at the end, though, letting Keen Ice get so close! lol Whew.

[@johnkaufmann8875]

Agreed. This was the best race KEEN ICE has run to date in a Stake.

[@kvakma]

And watching this one year later, AP still brings big smiles while watching him continue his Triple Crown style. Poetry in Motion.

[@alirashdi994]

The best horse of a generation.

[@johnc7149]

Best horse in the world ATM. Slightly above golden horn and shared belief.

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

John C The true test is against Shared Belief. I believe he is the only horse who has something for AP.

[@jmeryllman]

Steve Prugar Shared Belief is injured. Would not race until 2016.

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

Well then give him the bcc.

[@bbmtge]

oo ee She lies again. Citation and Sec both, for example, were 2YO, 3YO champ and beat older horses on many occasions. Both were superhorses...AP is not. Try to do some research instead of lying. You look like a fool. Further, beating an older horse, in and of itself, means nothing. Level of competition, regardless of age is what's important.

[@ooee7855]

Frank Your awesome calls Are Legendary

[@ALBERTKING901]

SECRETARIAT JUICED?! Yeah, by his own heart which was estimated to be nearly 3 times the size of a normal horse heart. I loved watching Big Red run, as I now love watching American Pharoah run. Horses are sooo majestic!

[@jimellenw]

ALBERTKING901 Secretariat also had more lung than normal. About 8%. Put that with that huge heart and it enabled harder training and the results we all know about. I just hate it when folks say he was juiced.

[@BDavis820]

Was there! He's amazing!

[@bbmtge]

In all his (Beyer's) years, there’s no doubt about the fastest horse he ever saw. Using his current methodology, Beyer looked at Secretariat’s legendary run at the 1973 Belmont Stakes to win the Triple Crown. He was astonished. “[I] came up with a figure of 139, which is by far the best of any horse I’ve seen,” he said, noting that Ghost Zapper’s 128 was the best rating of all horses in the last 10 years. “Secretariat was in a different dimension than any other horse we’ve seen in modern times.”

[@LDis1]

its incredible how great he is.

[@AlisonLam]

What an impressive race. Gives me goosebumps. He schooled them. Can't wait to see him in the Travers and then in the BC Classic where I hope he's up against Beholder!

[@keithlamontbraggs]

American Pharaoh's next start will either be in the Travers at Saratoga on August 29th or the Pacific Classic at Del Mar on August 22nd.

[@ERICGRIMEY1]

Simply awesome...

[@lisawilder3640]

When it is all said and done American Pharaoh will be considered the greatest race horse of all time. He is simply breathtaking.

[@alans8630]

Lisa with all due respect are you nuts? He has set no record and has pathetic competition. Never run all out and today's was silly exhibition but best? I would not even try him against Seattle Slew yet alone Man of War or Secretariat. What are you using as your yardstick? He has won because his other 3 yr olds have little depth of class or stamina and his times are mediocre.

[@onyxescence]

Alan S Well yeah those other horses are long dead. He's a very exciting horse to watch...like Zenyatta he gets non racing fans watching.

[@sbdgrwnmrw6085]

Alan S his Belmont time was not mediocre... he was hardly asked to run in the stretch and still managed a mid :26... these Haskell splits were better than decent and he had plenty left to go in the stretch if he needed to... lisa is definitely jumping the gun on the "greatest of all time" but you are taking too much away from his career thus far...

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

sbdgrwnmrw Agreed. He would be at a level with Secretariat if he takes the classic. AP is the best horse since Secretariat bar none. You say the horses this year are crap? Well you're right because if we had a decent horse for the belmont, as Gary Stevens said, he would of broken that 2:24 record. He has the second fastest Belmont run of any TC winner and his only BAD race other than his debut was the derby which he edged out and won anyhow.

[@bbmtge]

Steve Prugar Utter foolishness. To make a statement that a horse can, arbitrarily, run 2 plus seconds faster in any race, especially a mile and half shows that you know absolutely nothing about horse racing. AP won't even rank in the top 10, if people like that system. Affirmed, Slew, Spec Bid, Citation, etc are all far better horses. I can't even respond to the comment that he will be on par with Sec. Moronic!!!

[@marlenemartin5106]

A great horse in his own right. Doesn't need to be compared with others. Love him.

[@silvercharm]

I knew before the Travers that Keen Ice was much more dangerous than his 16-1 odds would indicate……I couldn't believe Keen Ice was being dismissed like that. K.I. got a 105 Beyer for his run in the Haskell, and I figured with any improvement, racing second off the bench, he had to be put on this list of win contenders…..and seeing the replay of the Haskell….it comes into focus that much more. YEs, in the haskell, AP was "geared down" nearing the wire….but just look at how eagerly K. I. is eating up the ground……

[@jinxmae5029]

Watched all AP races.. loved it.. If I could buy any Horse.. and AP never for sell.. I want Keen Ice.. that Horse in any other time is Good horse too.. Love AP.. just have to say Keen Ice was in there too!

[@dennisk207]

awesome!

[@rave323]

I'm excited to see AP run at Parx in September. Perfect window of time.

[@richardjones7324]

Rave 323 i dont see that happening but maybe im wrong, it just doesnt feel like the right move

[@baldwinmarlee]

American Pharoah is a machine!

[@riskit101]

Keen ice ran a nice second coming up the rail then swinging to the outside Making up alot of ground on a geared down American Pharoah

[@FoolishPrankster]

Back in the day Bob, back in the day....

[@abeshike]

これぞ三冠馬！というレース

[@taylorcooke3775]

look at his ears pointed straight up he was enjoying himself

[@channelperl2144]

Keen Ice on the gallop out: “See you in Saratoga in 3 weeks pal!”

[@johnkaufmann8875]

Amazing. I have been playing horses for 25 years and i didn't realize all this time i knew nothing about horse racing! Wow! I guess it must have been dumb luck the winners i selected over the years! Lol.

[@alans8630]

I believe Keen Ice has APs number and if for a decent jockey rating him and the fraction will finish ahead of him. Espinoza was guilty of easing up too early. He sensed AP was tiring and timed his sprint to the near turn at the head of the stretch. Remember not many horses have more than one kick. The race previously aludd to as one of Secretariats "loses" actually had three separate bursts of speed only to be closed out by an apprentice incompetent jockey who insisted upon getting his magnificent maiden into trouble. The handles of LL and Penny Tweedy (Chenery) cared little about the colt and were money greedy back then. They ignored Eddie Sweats warning about a lip abscess and ran him in the Woodward anyway. You run with an abscess in your mouth! The DQ is more about the jockey and other horses so that was an easy win as well. Onion was a strong older horse who beat Sect when he ran a fever with a serious virus. As bbtmg said, Baffert would pull AP from a race if he farts sideways. Referencing Beyer speed numbers is not revisionist history. Study handicapping or don't, but pulling terms out of the air because they suit you is nonsense. AP greatness has yet to be written and yes he has an incredible stride but it is rare to see him in full Gallup. Watch Sectariat on turf. He bounces over a mile and 5/8 as if he were on a trampoline. The Canadian Invitational against an older horse of the year Kennedy Road is amazing. Watch him trample Riva Ridge the former KD and Belmont. Please let us watch American Pharoah run against 4-5 yr old horses. Then we can have a true measure of greatness

[@Junitonavedo1970]

just take a look at this beautiful horse when he past by Magnificent edge, he is not that big but his body looks like solid muscle,he looks like a Rock with legs!

[@TheDaragh]

How long is this race? I love AP but Keen Ice was making tracks!

[@makeupyourway1563]

for everyone saying that American Pharaoh will win the BBC im not really sure about that because he will be going up against older horses, yes i know that this group of 3 yr olds aren't even a competition for AP but he might have another horse who will set the pace with AP and we will have to see how good he actually is going up against older horses next year & so on

[@bbmtge]

"I wanted to look at a race for him that was still running against 3-year-olds and running in a race that would be easy on him (in his first start back after winning the Triple Crown), considering the campaign he had," Zayat explained.

[@johnkaufmann8875]

But also Espinoza was in a hand ride in the stretch too so it was kind of deceiving the big kick KEEN ICE displayed too.

[@billbudd2535]

John Kaufmann Keen Ice was nothing. It's unfortunate that people with no idea are allowed to comment.

[@ooee7855]

Bill Budd Keen Ice Frosted Noble Bird Texas Red Honor Code and Lea Have to Catch A Hopefully Tired by Classic Pharoah.. With the 3 Biggest Threats out C. Chrome Firing Line and Shared Belief it cant get easier than this

[@bbmtge]

Bill Budd Well put. Bafford's own words were that they were going to put AP in an easy race.

[@bbmtge]

Sara Dorsey Play it up a bit more. Bob Baffert stated that AP would be placed in an easy race...which he was. I guess you do not understand the difference between running and racing.

[@ooee7855]

Upstart and Keen Ice Ran Winning Races Pharoahs Like Lebron James just too Beast

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

I will make this claim right now. If he wins both his next race and the Breeders Cup Classic, he is on Secretariat's level.

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

He finished last in the belmont so no sham wouldn't of won. As Gary stevens said. If AP had a sham to make him compete he would have broken secretariat's record in the belmont.

[@johnc7149]

He would need an all time performance in the BCC to be in the sec and Man talks. If he wins both remaining races he is in the Affirmed and Slew class.

[@johnc7149]

Actually he's probably in the Affirmed and Slew class already. Winning the BCC and next race will make him quite comparable with Bid. Hard to get in the Sec and Man talks unless a world record time that seems crazy happens.

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

John C He is already above Seattle Slew and Affirmed class. He beat both of their belmont times by 2 seconds, won in a downpour, has a near perfect record and unlike affirmed he's doing this without a horse pushing him. If AP had a competitive horse, he would have broken secretariat's belmont record and that is the words of Gary Stevens. If he wins the BCC he will have done something no other horse has. Won all 4 major US races. While I am not saying he is better than Secretariat, I really think if his career finishes well, he could be put in the same class like Zenyatta is for the phillies.

[@sbdgrwnmrw6085]

Steve Prugar I would "hesitantly" put him in the second group of all time greats: Damascus, dr. fager, easy goer, sunday silence, spectacular bid, afleet alex, skip away, cigar, ghostzapper, sslew, affirmed, alyday and sham (I know i'm leaving several from years back out; you get the idea)... the first group being sec and mow...

[@tallbillyboy]

Holy shit!!!!!

[@mikeblast7507]

Keen Ice mad a nice run but his jockey let him fall to far behind to give him any kind of chance against a speed horse like AP.

[@razorback9926]

I would rank American Pharoah as the 3rd best of the past 30 years, trailing Cigar and Skip Away. They each won ten G1 races against unrestricted fields (AP just won his first today). I think AP would pass Skip Away and maybe even Cigar, if he were to race until 6 like they did. But no way that would happen with a Triple Crown winner, he has nothing left to prove except as a sire. And let's not forget that both Cigar and Skip Away both ran 10 furlong races in 1:58 and change. Very few horses ever do that.

[@ooee7855]

OMG REALLY Cigar And Skip Away Beat 1:59 of Big Red Why so much people like Big Red is King Lolol

[@johnkaufmann8875]

I agree with what many people have said. And if AMERICAN PHAROAH runs in The Travers, unfortunately it will be the same bunch he has trounced over and over. At least TEXAS RED, even though AP beat him handily at 2 really is the only 3yo AP hasn't faced yet.

[@cogen651]

Holy crap, Keen Ice was making a come back and was freaking moving.That Jockey was too late on the all out.

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

cogen651 Well, American Pharoah was eased up in the final furlong, had he kept him going it would have been 12-15 lengths easy.

[@ExpectingStorms]

cogen651 AP wasn't even asked. He just pulled himself to the front on the turn and that was that.

[@billbudd2535]

cogen651 You obviously know nothing about horse racing.

[@cogen651]

Bill Budd Explain?

[@bbmtge]

Steve Prugar Eased close to the 16th pole. Next time stretch it out to a half mile.

[@jas026able]

And American Pharoah comes looking for the lead...

[@ryankerkhoff6763]

Do I think he's better than the TC winners of the 70's? No... But no doubt this horse is great. We will see how he runs in the BCC. However I will always remember his stride, and how effortless he makes it look. Ears pricked the whole time, jockey just a statue. When he starts facing and beating older horses we will get an idea how GREAT he is. He already has a spot in history obviously, but how high remains to be seen. Hopefully owners and trainer make his last 2-3 starts memorable. Outside of Texas red no one is this class is worth racing, take on older horses now please.

[@statsguru9751]

Wish they had come up with a better Championship title than Grand Slam. How about the Quintessential Quad?

[@jimellenw]

147.95 = 147 4/5. A very good time and at ease.

[@bbmtge]

AP has distinguished himself in but one race...that was the Belmont.

[@bbmtge]

Charles Ray Little Ray...your inane, snarky comments simply prove you have nothing to say...that you know nothing. Congrats.

[@bbmtge]

Charles Ray Again.....all you can do is repeat the same tired shit. Challenge me, with facts and analysis on any point I've made. That's what you're lacking, shithead.

[@bbmtge]

Charles Ray Look.....little ray is at it, again. Is that ghe best you can come up with. Two things. Tell me about the facts behind his losses. Start with his first race. Let's see if you can analyze the race from start to finish and comment on what some of the analysts said about it. For additional reading, see my factual comment on Prove Out in response ot your childish and uninformed lie. As for equine balls, I'll leave the sucking to you. You really seem to have a knack for it.

[@traffikator]

Oh poppycock! What the heck is Victor doing? We want to see how well this beast will do. At the very least he could have put his foot on the gas instead of just braking to finish line. What happens when you open up the blower and blow a little nitrous? I cannot wait for him to put this beast on the drag strip! He could have just give a little taste. That horse would easily do 1:31 for the mile with just a shrug on the rein. I hope they blow him out on the final race and set an unbeatable record for the near future, before going on to enjoy the rest his life! You ol' stud!

[@ooee7855]

Kent and Victor Just Went On A Robbery spree on the East Coast.. That wasEZ

[@sbdgrwnmrw6085]

46 and 9 flat was nothing for him.... he makes it look to easy... if he only had a rival maybe we'd find out just how fast he can really travel....

[@baldwinmarlee]

sbdgrwnmrw Keen Ice had a nice run as well!

[@mikeblast7507]

ayla obrien Keen Ice was impressive, I wish his jockey hadn't dug so deep a hole for him early.

[@richardforte6785]

sbdgrwnmrw Or how fast he can't run

[@louiegallo1289]

Mike Blast Keen Ice didn't stand a chance. HE only picked off what AP left in his wake. Victor didn't even move on AP.

[@mikeblast7507]

Louie Lou Not disagreeing in the least. Just saying Keen Ice's jockey didn't help him, I don't think. Merely saying he hung back for too long, if he was to have any shot.

[@britishladproductions5920]

Yeah, he was a horse of a generation just how did he lose the Travers?

[@razorback9926]

I am hoping to see Pharoah run 10f in 1:58 to finally shut up his detractors. He needs a dry track and some competition, but I think he can run sub-1:59, which is something Secretariat never did.

[@bbmtge]

razorback9926 More fantasy statements for those who know nothing. Here's an idea. Move him even faster to suit your mindset. Now, finally....are you aware that Sec hit the 10 furlong mark in the Belmont at 1:59 flat...with a quarter mile to go...on cruise control? Are you aware that the 1973 KD track was rated, by Beyer, a full second slower than the 1964 track where ND set the record at 2:00 flat. Further, Sec was estimated to have lost 2 full seconds to track position. So...keep crying; it suits you.

[@ooee7855]

QUICK ?QUESTION? Has Any Race Horse Accomplish Being 2YO Champ Triple Crown 3YO champ and Take Down Older Horses?? If Not Theres A Name Aiming To Take #ThatSpot

[@bbmtge]

oo eeWhat older horses do you speak of? Try again...and, ast stated...do some research.....Sec raced 9 time to win 2YO and HOY...AP ran 3 times...no depth of field. Sec beat the best champion older horse in the MC. Utter foolishness.

[@bbmtge]

oo ee Sec and Citation. you are an ass that lies.

[@ooee7855]

+bbmtge What odds Would you give me on Pharoah Winning Traver$Classic

[@thomasstevens7819]

WOW! That move around the far turn was electric! He could have won by 20 if they let him go. Wow wow wow!

[@alans8630]

He was ridden out weakly by Espinoza. Amer Phar has never been in an all out Gallup except the stretch run of the KC. Rest is merely a hand ride. Competition has absolutely been terrible to date and he never looks winded. Any bets he has a large heart? Should not have the stamina by his breeding but he completed the Belmont in a jog.

[@erikpereira8597]

But..he's run into all of these horse before except 'Bruno' and 'Nonna's Boy' that's all I'm saying lol and let the bashing begin again! So, save a couple it's always been Commanding Curve, Firing Line, Upstart, Keen Ice, Materiality..there's more (can't remember their names) but he's already run into them all twice at some point. That's all I'm saying and I've read that in other places, too, so it's not just me saying it..

[@joeupyours3995]

just like big bed!

[@kourtlandperry1698]

John Kaufman American pharaoh beat texas red in the front runner stakes as a 2 year old

[@JaredMakile]

+Kourtland Perry Fuck out of here, commenting childish fuckboy hate comments on my video. If it was so "irrelevant" then why yo bitch commenting hate on it???? This is why your mother should've you when she had the chance to do it.

[@ooee7855]

Just Have Fun with it!! Winning is Winning No Matter against Who People.. But theres Always that Negative Devil saying Rhis and that #Getalife

[@leesog3203]

This horse well and truly belongs on the Triple Crown Roll of Honour :) .. We can't say he's the greatest of them all, but he'd certainly hold his own against any of them :) He's now rated the best horse in the world. American Pharoah: 136 Golden Horn: 133p (meaning, likely more to come)

[@Doraemon-tx5jl]

American Pharoah should won The Best Championship Performance at the ESPY Awards and not LeBron James!!! ESPY award is a Joke!

[@unclebillmusic]

AT LEAST THEY DID'NT JUST LET HIM GO TO THE FRONT AND THEN NOT EVEN CHALLENGE HIM LIKE THEY DID IN THE PREAKNESS AND THE BELMONT !!! WHAT ABOUT SARATOGA - THE GRAVEYARD OF FAVORITES ? IS BAFFERT AFRAID ???

[@ooee7855]

Did you not see Materiality and Mr. Z make him do 22 then 23 That is Fast Lmao..!! nope hes Not Going To The Little Apple Again Has to Be King of Horses Now California Bb

[@jmeryllman]

Before the Kentucky Derby, most horse racing experts claimed that this is one of the best and deepest 3yo class in a while. Well, now they are nobodies. American Pharoah makes them look ordinary. You can't blame AP for the competition he faces. They added $750K to the Haskell ($1.75 mil total purse), yet a lot of avoided the Haskell. He can only beat those who enter the races he is in. As for his "times", he is very dominant and final times right now are irrelevant.

[@ooee7855]

Well The East Coast Horses Were. Stinky Garbage!! Texas Red And Calculator would have been Right There as Top 5 In Kentucky #justsayin

[@jmeryllman]

Texas Red and Calculator were not at the Kentucky Derby. That is not AP's fault. Texas Red could have opted for the Grade 1 Haskell, guess what? Texas Red passed. Again, should not be a knock on AP.

[@ooee7855]

Because hes doing the Saratoga double.. Im saying California Had top5 horses this year

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

oo ee He beat both several times. He beat Calculator in the Frontrunner stakes with texas red finishing 3rd, and the del mar futurity he also beat calculator.

[@bbmtge]

jmeryllman That is nothing more than excuse. It has nothing to do with "blame." It has to do with analysis and judging a horse. It's the difference between running and racing. A great example is Sec in the KD. He had to run as fast as he did to beat Sham. Both horses ran the fastest KD ever. Sham was in perfect position the entire race. Sec broke slow and had to overtake the field. If you think that AP is capable of such, you are dead wrong. One analyst estimated, through actual trigonometry, that Sec lost 2 full seconds due to track position. So..learn something....if you are interested in factual analysis...level of competition is one category.

[@erikpereira8597]

Eased up? Track record? The Triple crown race times were the slowest since the1950's, save one. He really just keeps beating up on most of the same horses over and over and unknowns.

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

Erik Pereira The derby he had a bad trip. He didn't do well and wouldn't run for crap and still won. The preakness was in a DOWNPOUR and he went a 22 4/5 opening 1/4 mile in the mud. His splits were fantastic but when he got 8 lengths victor said that was enough. He had the second fastest belmont of any TC winner mainly because of competition. The problem is john on Materiality knew his only chance was to hang back and that was the only speed horse. If john would have pushed AP to say a 23 and a 46 followed by a 110 he would have broken Secretariat's record as per Gary Stevens as he had the fastest final 3/4 in the belmont ever.

[@sbdgrwnmrw6085]

Billy Brownstar erik is a "hack" he's not aware of anything regarding horse racing... he's clueless...

[@billbudd2535]

Erik Pereira You don't get it. Keep betting anyway, we appreciate it.

[@GermanOperaSinger]

Erik Pereira I do agree with the assessment that AmPh's competition is mediocre, the quality of the breed here in the US has been going downhill since the late 90s. However, AmPh is a rare exception to this general trend. Look at his stride. Do you see what everyone else is seeing? I was a skeptic too, after the Belmont - no more! This horse is phenomenal - wake up and smell the coffee.

[@erikpereira8597]

Billy Brownstar Um is yours about 50? Read the stats on the others and how many losses did Keen Ice have so far? let me see..that's right. It was Seven. And Upstart wasn't right during and since the Derby? oh, and Competitive Edge was dead last in the race Prior? And in Jerry Baily's own words the field wasn't tough. So yeah. 50.

[@alans8630]

Before you all get your panties up in knots let's talk Beyer speed figures. They transcend years and various tracks. At best he was allocated between 105 and 108 for the Kentucky and Arkansas Derbies. . Only given 105 for Saturday which is average for a Grade 1 stakes horse. Secretariat had a high 120s when he set the record for the Kentucky Derby and a phenomenal 139 for the Belmont American Pharoah is just average.

[@ooee7855]

This should be a 120 because it looked to easy. he would have beat The Record of Bet Twice But i guess that Record Is Weak since Pharoah only got a 105 when it obv looked he had ATon of Horses

[@GermanOperaSinger]

Alan S Those low figures are a reflection of how terrible his competition has been. Sunday Silence and Easy Goer, and Skip Away, Formal Gold, Will's Way all ran 120+ figures because they competed against each other. If AmPh is ridden out I think he could run 120+ figures.

[@johnc7149]

105 jogging is pretty impressive though isnt it?

[@bbmtge]

Kevin Small Oh, look...another liar. Do a bit of research before you make an ass of yourself. Sec was run into the ground by LL and his 3 YO losses were all health related. Baffert would have scratched Sec from any race if he so much as sneezed. AT 2 YO he was mugged and off by 20 lengths in his maiden. Folks who actually know horse racing were mesmerized by the way he recovered and finished. Other loss was an absurd DQ. These are facts that actually lead to truths, moron. Sec was faster in his TC, where he still holds all records by some 70 plus lengths over AP. Read it.

[@ooee7855]

I dont care about figures or What DRF writes in the form.. A bunch of Hooplah Hype!! Just times angles percentages.. Etc.. Beating Frosted by 6 easily in 2:26 is not a 105 if Upstart beat Frosted by 3 and got a 105 no sense

[@drumma4lyfe06]

AP started to put the burners on at the quarter pole coming out of the turn. This horse is something special. Espinoza didn't even use the whip. AP is looking at the Travers and Breeders Cup then he will retire. NICE RUN by Keen Ice. The jockey was asking for him too late though. I won't be surprised if he runs in the Breeders Cup. Like a previous poster said, at the end of his career, I would put AP in top 20 but not top 10 all-time...IF he wins the Breeders Cup. Within the past 15 years however, I would say he has been the best despite Curlin, Zenyatta, Invasor, Smarty Jones, and Barbaro (who had a promising career lined up for him).

[@SkyPantherr]

drumma4lyfe06 I'm really hoping they don't retire him, like something magical will happen with the contract and will allow this horse to race as much as his heart truly desires. It's highly highly unlikely, but I can only hope. I know people are saying he's already proven himself, but there is so much more we could see from Pharoah. Imagine if he ran in the Dubai, JGC? That'd be fantastic. I do however treasure his well being over 'greed', so I can understand that decision to retire and not risk any injury.

[@drumma4lyfe06]

SkyPantherr I completely agree. I would at least say go for the Dubai. He already has big money coming in for breeding rights. I can understand the owner and Baffert's decision though. I personally care for his health and well-being and don't care about money.

[@erikpereira8597]

WHEN is this horse going to start running against real competition?? Even Jerry Baily said this wasn't a tough field. Save three, he keeps beating up on the same horses over and over! This is starting to look like a joke, really.

[@ExpectingStorms]

Erik Pereira You realize his next race was advertised shortly after the Belmont? Everyone else went the other way, save the few who showed up after the purse increase. Not his fault they avoided this race.

[@sbdgrwnmrw6085]

Erik Pereira erik, who would you like to see him run against?

[@johnc7149]

Pletcher is the only trainer running against him. He won't see big time competition till the bcc but even then California Chrome and Shared Belief will not be running so it won't be the showdown we all hope for.

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

Erik Pereira It's not the competition, it's that he makes his competition look like garbage. Who runs a 109 3/4 mile then pull 8 lengths in less than a furlong? Put a speed horse against him in a 12 furlong race and see a sub 2:24 time as per Gary Stevens.

[@sbdgrwnmrw6085]

Steve Prugar I agree with your logic the fast splits didn't even wind him... he had plenty left if he needed to go in the stretch for both Belmont and haskell ---- but sub 24? I want to see a fast bcc.. I hope all contenders show up for the bcc and he flys...