RACHAEL KIRKCONNELL RESPONDS TO MOM'S FACEBOOK GROUP FILLED WITH HATEFUL COMMENTS TOWARDS MATT JAMES

[@madinatuleshova6292]

Now it's clear that her family might be partially responsible for Matt's decision. if he can't be comfortable and feel safe around her family, it is very much a deal breaker. Especially for those, who want to be part of a big family. As Matt's mom said, Matt was always drawn to big families. The prospect of having a future with Rachael, with her family not liking him is hard.

[@NT-bz5nh]

I feel this.

[@tessie7e777]

That makes more sense than anything else I’ve heard. So sad for them both.

[@dananezat]

Yep. From other comments/context it seems like her family and friends was a huge part of it. They just aren’t his people and he saw right away.

[@Ben-xl7fq]

Sounds like another excuse. Rachaels mom, didn’t condone that stuff....not to mention what specifically was said racist??? I’d like to know.

[@allthingsgood4u]

I'm confused by those who say her family didn't like him. I don't think you can conclude that from anything they said ... in fact the opposite is true.

[@AK09037]

Not gonna lie Matt will be in a Get OuT situation if he stayed with Rachel and that's not entirely fair

[@DaveNealComedian]

Seems like it, what a wild movie that was. I mean, Rachael ISNT HER MOM but you marry into a family.

[@jfm0015]

Nerd Flash: The failure of Matt’s father and mother’s relationship/marriage should not be determinative in how his relationships might unfold!!! He is not his father and thus he can/ should decide for himself!! Relying on the opinions of his brother and his mother should not “trump” his own final decision !!!😩😩😩

[@jfm0015]

LOL: That prior message should read: “News Flash” !!!

[@lordreyna6924]

I got this vibe too!

[@jane3069]

All this season of the bachelor did was ruin Matt and his family and Rachel Kirconel's family. Will they ever be able to get over the pain? Even Rachel Lindsey and Chris Harrison is so hurt. I dont think anyone meant to be mean. You cant get mad at Rachel Ks mom for defending her daughter. She loves her daughter. All loving parents are going to defend their child. She is only human. All this hate from everyone needs to stop. And for people to say, they dont accept someones apology. That is just wrong. Now we have been made aware of things that hurts the blacks. Continue to let people know what hurts you, so people know what not to do. I understand you carry pain. You have every right too say, what is offensive, but try to fix all the issues without hate. That means every race should try to stop all the hate.

[@frenchieewoo3355]

Right some of y’all was mad he didn’t stay with her but imagine having to raise Black kids with a racist grandmother and grandfather. Disgusting

[@DeeDiamond2981]

Preachhh

[@chevon1920]

He’s biracial and she’s white, how could the kids possibly be black?? They’d be white, 🤷🏿‍♀️

[@boone8797]

@@chevon1920 they would also be “mixed” even if they were pretty light, which is enough to piss off the racists

[@Alex-bh7yk]

@@boone8797 His kids would be at least 75% white: that’s pretty much white. Nothing about them would look mixed unless they had a curly or kinky hair texture. Their kids would be able to reap the benefits of white privilege.

[@jeannebuckner1859]

This seems to be more of a conversation of how black is he or how white is she? That is what is disgusting! Reaping white privilege????? OMG! Just stay with each his own if this is the mentality. Why even WANT to be with a white person? Seems to me this is the racist side talking. I just can’t! I hope their love was for the right reasons. Everyone else has torn them apart. Walk away.....both of you!

[@lallana2882]

The sad thing is she ultimately threw her own daughter under the bus. Rachel is already (rightfully) in hot water. Her mom is just adding to it.

[@NN_Vang]

I feel for Matt. I'm Asian, my boyfriend is white. And his parents are racist. It hurts, I don't know if I could marry into a family like that. If Matt truly loved Rachel, I think his decision to break up with her was brave, not cowardly. Sometimes, love doesn't conquer all. Sometimes, doing the right thing is more important.

[@bandaqueenlove9134]

@@NN_Vang true

[@ilovegoodsax]

@@NN_Vang Well said. Family can definitely be a deal breaker when it comes to marriage. You do, after all, marry the entire family. No doubt Matt has had a lifetime of dealing with his mom's family, who may not have been accepting of him and his brother

[@jeannebuckner1859]

Walk away Rachael! People will always find something bad.....just walk away!

[@thagrandpubah]

@@NN_Vang Pink peen, blond hair and blue eyes turns out not to be the answer to all world problems after all?🤔

[@SassySmall1]

Matt James doesn't owe teaching Rachel the struggles of being black. Kind of like I don't owe telling a man why I don't feel safe at night walking alone as a woman, I would want a man to understand stuff like that already. We can't all understand and experience the struggles of everyone, we simply all have different hardships/pain but we can be able to be open-minded to understand how life might be for someone else.

[@danielleerin6884]

💯💯

[@alexajones2593]

He owes anyone even someone that went to a party 3 years ago respect courteous and certainly compassion. He showed none of that. Matt is still a problem child Grow up. People are never perfect in anyone’s mind. He couldn’t even hold her hand or accept an apology. Poor him how about equal respect for each other. If everyone should be treated equally then everyone should have compassion not just one race or one person. He’s got a problem it’s obvious he was in no way ready to get married and he stood her up on last date. He’s a complete baby he’s not ready for anything. Pity the woman who would ever marry him they will have to Mother him his whole life.

[@bethk2337]

YESSSSS👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I love this

[@frenchieewoo3355]

@@alexajones2593 because he didn’t coddle her and tell her it’s ok he has no compassion? I think he was very compassionate he easily could have ripped her apart on stage or as Dave said broke up on camera. He doesn’t owe her a thing. And people keep minimizing what she did. I really suggest looking into all her racial insensitive post/likes. The antiBLM stuff while liking dozens of blue lives matter stuff during George Floyd Death, the sombrero pictures, the Native American pictures, her friend and families views (birds of a feather). The most courteous thing for him to do was say nothing. You know the saying “Nothing nice to say...”

[@57andstillkicking]

Bad example. Men don’t automatically understand when women don’t feel safe and it would be very reasonable to have to tell him.

[@caligirl6040]

Do you ever sleep lol. Ty for these vids.

[@DaveNealComedian]

haha yes i do i promise! ;)

[@blacclivesmatter4637]

@@DaveNealComedian No. You don't. You know you a vampire. Don't lie!

[@janina8559]

He works hard for the money 🎶🎶🎶

[@stephaaniec]

😂😂🙏🏾😩

[@beatrice2236]

@@DaveNealComedian my understanding is that a lot of comments and people were removed from the group. I don't know what was said and what may not have been or was racist but I don't believe that you have the full context of every comment that was posted since the group was created. Either way I don't care what the group was about at this point as a parent I would not be involved with any type of media negative or positive about my child. For what reason? If you know a person then you don't have to prove that to random strangers on the Internet. To my knowledge Rachel Lindsay's parents nor Matts mom are out there joining groups to try to support or confront anybody or giving interviews to tabloids.

[@breannanorthrup5498]

I just wish they would leave Matt alone. And Rachael. They clearly lost a love they really wanted for very real, complicated reasons. People are just making this excruciating and it’s not okay. Also, if I was Rachael, I would be putting some major space between me and my mother.

[@alexajones2593]

Oh yeah like Rachael has all she needs suddenly she doesn’t need a Mother anymore just cancel out her Mother Great Well Educated Advice.

[@breannanorthrup5498]

@@alexajones2593 Rachael’s mom is sealing her fate and she will never have a chance for her to be with Matt ever because he wouldn’t want to be part of a family who is so ignorant and hateful. People go without their mothers all the time when shit hits the fan. But her mother is making it worse.

[@Richard-lh3te]

It’s not that complicated. Rachael held some racist views and had done racist things, when Matt tried to speak with her about it, she wasn’t getting it. It’s her fault she lost this love and her fault Matt felt betrayed.

[@jessicaroy5934]

It’s all soo sad, ABC should really come in an make a statement really call out some these people to settle down. Support Matt support Racheals growth.

[@katiewaves]

Seriously. Why does everyone have to be perfect all the time? It gives me anxiety. Like why can’t the response to people being assholes an eye roll. Why are we giving it so much damn attention.

[@milwaukeemotor5995]

I don't think ABC should get involved, The Bachelor is over.

[@purplelove3666]

@@katiewaves you think not being racist is being perfect?. Wow.then I hope you are not screwed up.

[@katiewaves]

@@purplelove3666 I don’t believe that she’s racist. She went to a racially insensitive party. She was ignorant. Which we are all. Flawed.

[@evelinaswigart2861]

Matt deleted all his insta pics...guy’s clearing going through a lot

[@nk47100]

Wow! That’s intense. I just looked at it last night. I wonder why... not all had to do with the bachelor.

[@nk47100]

Also doesn’t seem like he’s following Rachael but I’m not sure if I got that right - sometimes accounts don’t seem to show up properly so I’m not sure

[@malikarose8788]

He prob archived them

[@melisarose7052]

I saw that too and I thought yo myself this man is going through stuff 😔

[@AA01532]

He’s most likely hidden/ archived his IG pics.

[@shabrinaz9877]

Dude I told you so. Matt knew and witnessed more than that was leaked coming from Rachael's friends and relatives. That silence was so telling. This was what I experienced too. What a colleague of mine that also gave a telling silence getting a divorce after the week of his honeymoon. Its those crazy relatives! They attack you with racial slurs. They stunned you into that type of silence and all you can do is run!

[@NT-bz5nh]

Unfortunately I’ve been there too when the in laws have said hurtful racist things and all you can do is stay silent because you’re in shock or you’re scared.

[@shabrinaz9877]

@@NT-bz5nh dude its like they were waiting for the littlest slip We do, to validate their racist ass mindset. Then probably they drag down your parents background too.. Then Youre gonna be like NOPE. Hands up. Im not dealing with that shit.

[@rhondaschneider3380]

Right Dave: whe you get married, you MARRY THE WHOLE FAMILY!

[@shabrinaz9877]

WTF is Matt James name in this narrative?? He literally did absolutely NOTHING to anyone. Not a right or wrong thing Matt literally did and said NOTHING to her. Ohmygod! All My prayers to Matt.

[@jeannebuckner1859]

My prayers to Rachael.....people need to quit caving to this cancel culture crap! Soon people won’t even know where they came from. Walk away!

[@Pyrochik2]

Think about it. If Rachel really did not understand what she did wrong once upon a time it shows her family excused and dismissed racist behaviour.

[@Pyrochik2]

@@jeannebuckner1859 I am never a person who encourages the #Cancel hashtag and behaviour. I believe people can change. That being said I do believe people need to held accountable and educated about their actions. We all make mistakes and it does not meet we remain that way.

[@karibu1361]

@shabrina z, Agree with you! ... It's a sneaky way to continue to drag Matt because he rejected Rach, & dodged a bullet of "home grown racism." Matt did not get engage - not enough love there - not the 1st - won't be the last... - They should let him be.

[@shabrinaz9877]

@@jeannebuckner1859 because she got cancelled? Lololololol. You are creating nonsense rooted from your rotten heart. Also. Why you gotta post here? I didnt even brought up her name STUPID.

[@kimkirkconnell9721]

I have to explain. When the ladies reached out to me to start this group, I told them only positivity, no hate, nothing racist, just positive support. One of the ladies reached out to me Tuesday night and ask if I could help moderate to control hate and kick people out, because we all work during the day. I told her I could help over the weekends and try to check in every other evening. She made me admin that evening. I didn’t check the site, when I heard about the issues on Wednesday, I shut the site down. I have proof of the timing and when they asked me to moderate. I don’t know when these posts happened, but I never read them. So, my bad for not moderating, I was working my full time job. I have no hate for Matt. I sincerely apologize for allowing this to happen, but the group no longer exists.

[@Lynn2011Joined]

Thank you for sharing Kim Kirkconnell.

[@taligordin-kaviani1569]

@daveneal did you read this? ^^^

[@rain3743]

I have a sister named Karen who is 100% a Karen, so it's like a gift from the universe.

[@kacwccj]

What they said was hateful but to be honest it's definitely not racist.

[@rain3743]

@@kacwccj I think in that group it wasn't. Some of the ones I was in got CRAZY.

[@Monikamusic02official]

😂😭🤣

[@ashtonv1730]

Also, who on earth spends their time being a part of and contributing to a hate group for someone? SAD.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I feel like Matt was put into a situation where he couldn’t win. Not only was he inexperienced within the franchise, he was also very closed off and has a lot personal things and demons he has to get through before he’s ready for a real relationship. But on top of that, the pressure of being the first black bachelor clearly made things harder on him. And then to make things worse, he was given an incredibly toxic group of women to court, minus a few, and not having chemistry with any of them. Then of course, the producers don’t even back check people like Rachael for drama and essentially sabotage Matt from even getting anywhere with his journey. Matt was doomed to fail from the beginning and honestly, even though he was a very boring lead, I feel like he had no chance of winning no matter what he did.

[@thumperkc]

I agree. Soooo sad because he’s an absolutely amazing human being in his real life.

[@dorothymcmahon9995]

You nailed it.

[@Monikamusic02official]

You know, before all the drama I genuinely did not see a serious "hit the ball outta the park" kind of love connection between Matt and any of the women if I were being honest about it... I don't know. I suppose everything happens for a reason...?

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

Even Michelle and Katie, my favorites of the season, didn’t have a lot of chemistry with Matt.

[@keishapuryear8180]

Her dad totally creeper me out! I guarantee he's far worse than her mom and the Karens. He was right to end things and distance himself from the toxicity

[@Ben-xl7fq]

Uh huh and matts dads?

[@22amboo]

Rachel seems to really love Matt. I think she was really just a product of her environment but she seems to be learning and truly cares.. she needs to educate her mom or get some distance tho.

[@donnag7908]

No doubt she is a product of her enviroment. Problem is you can't educate someone who refuses to learn and doesn't think there's a problem. This would have been a huge issue for Rachael and Matt especially if they had children. Rachael would absolutely have to either set boundaries with her mom or put some distance for the well-being of the children.

[@22amboo]

@@donnag7908 that's very true, people like that dont care to learn. sounds like a toxic mother to me whether shes in or out of a relationship with matt

[@parrisnia72]

Yup

[@choniegirl33]

I feel for her. My dad is a Facebook troll. Drives my siblings and I crazy.

[@NoDnaJustRsa]

😂😂😂

[@annielovesu1]

I really feel like people need to get social media lessons

[@DaveNealComedian]

Ya it’s wild. It’s like make your account private, hire someone to audit it and any close family...

[@ilovegoodsax]

You sound like the spokesperson for the Cherokee County, GA Sheriff's Dept. who national TV said the (white) killer who targeted Asian woman at the three Asian spas was "having a bad day" and it's just what he decided to do.🙄 I see nothing but dismissiveness and making excuses in your comment

[@rain3743]

@@ilovegoodsax Don't you think that's a bit hyperbolic?

[@ilovegoodsax]

@@rain3743 The poster's comment? No.

[@karlabc9251]

its simple. treat social media groups and all social media as if you were in person. would you tell that person what u typed?

[@BlissfullyBlooming]

"Lead with love & cancel hate!" 💛

[@not0bvious]

This is the exact reason why Matt made the right decision. A lot of non-Black people fail to understand that Black people who are in interracial relationships must constantly deal with anti-blackness and exhaust themselves by providing emotional labor for their partner and/or partners' family to understand, respect, and value their lived experience. Matt choosing to break up with Rachael is bigger than a picture from 2018. It's disgusting and anti-black to reduce matt's decision to him protecting his ego.

[@camillegonsalves349]

Finally. You have explained what Matt is possibly going through. You are a man giving voice to another man. It's a respectable example of "manning up". Congrats, Dave. Great GREAT segment! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾👊👊👊👊

[@josephleon4468]

Thanks, Neal, insightful, gentle, and right on. Keep doing good things, you are a friend of the people, thanks

[@sharondevoto9572]

I can’t believe people. Do be so angry, mean and hateful because someone on a “reality” TV show are not making decisions that want them to. Get a grip. Matt was put into a no win situation. Bachelor producers brought him out to placate people that were complaining. They did not care about him nor did they take care of him. Leave him and Rachel alone and let them heal from all of this hate and drama.

[@AB-mx1de]

Yes totally agree

[@Heyits_kayt]

I hate that they censor the names. Let us see who the ignorant people are. Don’t protect them. They go on a public platform to spread their ignorance, they deserve to have their names blasted as well! (I’m sure you received the screenshots with the names censored though lol.)

[@normalamboy8300]

Hi Dave, norma from Orlando, fl. I feel sadness for Rachael. Matt. They are in a no win situation. I feel Rachael is owning what she did in the past. I also feel she is getting educated on racism. Very sad her mom is not in the same lane. Matt, son I think it's unfortunate what has happened, but, you can't changed haters. I would disconnect from social media and try to get on in your life, Dame for Rachael. Disconnect and do what you need to do for yourself. God bless you Rachael, Matt. People try to show love. Stay well Dave.

[@darleneshipe7120]

Hi Dave, I really appreciate how you have a healthy dialogue when covering this mess. There is so much to be learned on all of this by everyone. Thank you for being part of the awareness of how we can all improve and become better individuals and cultivate better communities.

[@not0bvious]

Summer 2020 was probably the first moment a lot of white people actually begun to think about racism and the role they play to perpetuate it. I don't feel sorry for any of them who are finally being held accountable for their actions. Don't talk about grace and redemption if you are not willing to betray whiteness for the betterment of humanity. I don't feel sorry for Rachael at all. We should focus more on Matt's mental health and how the Bachelor exploited Matt's identity for damage control and it backfired.

[@layansasa7775]

Thanks for spreading positivity, Dave! We adore you 💛

[@DaveNealComedian]

Appreciate ya!

[@lokotrips4097]

The reason why people feel this is a racist attack is Matt did nothing wrong. He stepped back from a situation that caused him a great deal of pain. These comments are making Rachael out to be the victim. They even say that they don’t see how what Rachael did was wrong. Quote, “I still see it just as what was fashionable during that era and that it was just a sorority party.” It’s the Micro-aggression and racist undertones that make this a racist attack.

[@beverleydowner1470]

Well said Dave Neal! Well said! I agree. Matt James was domed either way. His best option was silence.

[@jswaby]

This is not surprising at all. It’s one thing to be in a relationship with 1 person that “doesn’t get it”. It’s another to be in that family who will fiercely defend their child even if the child is in the wrong. Matt dodged a bullet and I’m sure he wishes Rachael all the best in her journey. Expecting him to teach her and her entire family? Nope! Peace ✌️✌️

[@NT-bz5nh]

Yes, be careful what family you marry into!

[@jannapenas1543]

Literally Matt could not win in this situation. I don’t fault him for breaking up with Rachael but I could also see why people in rachael’s camp, who are probably already ignorant to the racial pressures Matt faces daily, to say ‘he gave up on love.’ He just looked so beaten down and tired. There was a lot of pressure on him this season to ‘fix’ the bachelor’s diversity problem and unfortunately, he got pulled into so much more drama ....

[@DaveNealComedian]

ya they need to do a better job of understanding the predicament he was in.

[@tiffanykeller7530]

Exactly, and people jumped to Rachael’s defense to say he broke her heart, without even considering that SHE broke HIS heart too! I can’t imagine how hurtful it must have been to find out the woman he loved was clueless and racially ignorant. They both deserve compassion, but Rachael is being showered with it while Matt is getting inundated with hate. Such a shame.

[@sisSonders]

No one has to stay with someone else if they don’t want to. Matt was within his right to breakup with her, just like Madi had her reasons and was applauded for not staying with PIlot Pete because of her religious beliefs around sex. This base is extremely hypocritical.

[@selamt1051]

This is insane. There is attack groups against Matt which the mom is an administrator on. The girl he picked turns out to be racist or at best incredibly ignorant. More information and still the conversation is poor Rachel?? This is insane. “The way he treated her daughter”... tf what about HIM? His mental health? Why would he EVER have to expose himself to that kind of racism from someone so close to him? Even this comment section is disappointing. The words of Rachel after the Chris echo in my head. “Where was the compassion for me?”

[@selamt1051]

He didn’t sign up to find a partner he has to teach to not be racist and ignorant. Why is he being expected to do this in the name of love and being demonized for wanting her to do her own work? Doing the most basic thing like educating yourself to not be ignorant and racist it what any decent human does.

[@projectsotherthings4677]

Dave, You asked what you're missing. Please let me enlighten you. They are racial attacks because their comments dismiss the extremely problematic fact that the party Rachael went to wasn't racially insensitive. It was RACIST, PERIOD. So, coming after Matt dismisses the traumatic stress that racism brings. Everything doesn't have to be explicit to be racist.

[@selamt1051]

@@projectsotherthings4677 It’s also strange to see some being given heroic capes for doing the most basic thing like educating themselves to not be racist while it’s the opposite for Matt & Rachel Lindsay...

[@projectsotherthings4677]

@@selamt1051 Thank you for SPEAKING THAT TRUTH!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Give her a metal for calling out something we ALL know is wrong?? Matt clearly said, "After the conversations we've had I don't believe you get it so I had to step back" How about this: "Uncomfortable Conversations." Uncomfortable for YOU because of an institution YOU created. How about the uncomfortability of expressing such horrific oppression, assault, unmerited violence and trauma and the dismissal of it all as ignorance. BUT how brave people without color are because they address their own ideals?? I believe in grace. Yet, who gets a reward for being a good person? Rachael shouldn't get one either. The reward IS being a good person.

[@UltimateBrody]

No matter how many times Rachael tries to educate and reform her “fans,” they just do the opposite. This leads me to believe that even if she does change, they won’t. She pleaded for her fans to stop saying she did nothing wrong. What did they do?! They kept saying she did nothing wrong. At this point, I’m starting to feel some empathy for Racheal that I didn’t have for awhile, considering I am black and was very disgusted by her actions. But between her apologies, promises to do better, scolding her racist fans and being thrown under the bus by Chris Harrison (who had no right to speak on her situation before she did) and her own family, the girl has no chance of affecting change. You can lead them to the water, but you can’t make them drink.

[@DaveNealComedian]

I totally agree with ya

[@cleigh113]

Why is it Rachel's responsibility to make other people change that's a pretty basic understanding that you can't make people change they have to change for themselves why are you dumping and piling it on her?

[@UltimateBrody]

How am I dumping and piling on her? I’m literally defending her! Just like Rachael can’t make people change, I can’t make you have better reading comprehension. Rachael, herself, made it HER responsibility to share her journey to anti-racism and asked her fans to join her. She used her platform for that. Nobody is saying it’s her fault others don’t change. My last sentence was an analogy that was in HER favor. I’m just saying she’s not influencing many people, despite how hard she’s trying. This pissed me off because I’m black and I was really sick to see those photos, and then I come here and show empathy and respect for Rachael’s efforts and you want to berate me for NO reason?! If anything, I didn’t have to give her any grace, since people like me NEVER get it back. But I believe in her and I think she’s sincere and trying to do better. It’s the fans and her family dragging her down when she’s trying to make progress.

[@KaitAC]

I'm not a fan of Matt but omg I cannot imagine sending him or anyone for that matter a hateful DM.

[@angeleanovella7]

Agree. I DDNT like him either but now this crap. If he'd taken her on this shit wldhve bn in the background. NOBODY HAS TIME FOR THAT.

[@shabrinaz9877]

Not a Matt fan. But I literally cannot find a single thing to nitpick him or his action whatsoever to jump the hate train.

[@KaitAC]

@@angeleanovella7 it's a catch 22, he'd be getting a similar response if he stayed with her, just from different people.

[@jillwade123]

Sammmme

[@crimbleland]

Right... people need to stop being so hateful

[@theworldsonheroin]

Glad it's being exposed for what it is. Rachael does need to stop saying she loves him publicly though.I don't know if it's on purpose or she's just saying how she feels but, It's playing into an unrequited love narrative that allows people to say like 'see Matt after all this, she still loves you, give it a chance'. The man said no. And now that I think of it, her editing on the show plays into that as well, pure, viriginal, never been in love before, the trials and tribulations of fighting for your love. At the end of the day Rachael is the only one benefitting from all of it. Anyways I hope everyone can move on.

[@christine3477]

I agree! I wish she would stop saying that. I feel for her loving him, but putting that out there in her statements makes it extremely hard for him, especially with the public. They'll never let him move on.

[@Xoxoxoxoxc]

100% she needs to stop saying that

[@garygorny]

The Instagram message where Rachael says she "loves him" was private though, and she probably couldn't imagine it would be shared. Her Instagram story does NOT say love, but "a man I care for" (which can be fine as friends).

[@KelseyMarieeMusic]

Hadn’t heard of the Facebook group...oof. Rachel has handled every controversy with so much tact, though.

[@DaveNealComedian]

And you wonder what’s next, I mean gosh can we revoke moms from Facebook?!

[@KelseyMarieeMusic]

@@DaveNealComedian Exactly. I know Rachel’s actions were wrong-they obviously were. But her apology was beautiful, and I believe in my heart that she is doing the work. I feel so bad for her that her loved ones are really holding her reputation in the pit while she herself is genuinely trying to move upwards. Family relationships are important, but her mom obviously has work to do too and seems to not have the awareness Rachel does. Where do we draw the line between holding personal standards and loving family?

[@travelshow3333]

There’s one for Chris Harrison too and same deal they are hating on Matt and Rachel L. I took great pleasure in taking down this group and I’m working on the next. Follow me at bachiegossip on insta

[@ruthiejankowski800]

@@travelshow3333 I'm finished with the Bachelor and Bachelortte - that was my last show!!!

[@SR-ju4uh]

Thanks so much Dave for all that you do! Your videos have helped me get through college in lockdown. I subscribed while you still had 21k!! You're growing so quickly congratulations!

[@DaveNealComedian]

Aw thanks so much for your support, I truly appreciate it! What are you studying in College?! I have to say the pandemic sucks for people in so many different ways but it ROYALLY sucks for college students, this is supposed to be your introduction to the real world. Hang in there!

[@SR-ju4uh]

@@DaveNealComedian i'm studying political theory! Lots of reading and writing so I look forward to winding down/ taking breaks by watching your vids hahaha. Thanks again for all the effort you put into these videos. It shows:)

[@leonebrander8219]

While there are maybe no "blatant" racist posts from that fb group (that I've seen) I do think that there are DEFINITELY racist undertones when a bunch of white women are hating on a black man for how he chose to deal with the racism he's facing.

[@natalieb5885]

Sorry but that is reaching. It doesn’t matter if the women are white, black, orange, yellow, purple. Stop trying to make it about racism when the comments were literally only about the way he treated Rachael.

[@leonebrander8219]

@@natalieb5885 The way he treated Rachael *because of her racially insensitive past. That's a very important part of this conversation. If it weren't for Rachael's posts, they'd likely still be together and none of these conversations would be happening in the first place.

[@not0bvious]

If Rachael went to a Holocaust party on a concentration camp would we be having this conversation about forgiveness and redemption?

[@garygorny]

yes. We've already forgiven Prince Harry, had him marry an African American, and sit down with Oprah. He wore a full Nazi uniform, including a swastica to a party. in 2005.

[@SummerBailey8290]

Did you see the post on reddit from the mattjamesfan instagram account owner with some of the screengrabs of messages he got from people who thought he was Matt James? They're very full of vitriol.....and blatantly racist.

[@DaveNealComedian]

i mention it in this video but didnt read any of the postd because i didnt wanna address the hate, we all know its there, its in the comments of all my videos, its everywhere sadly.

[@keishapuryear8180]

Much like reports if Forsyth County

[@Warrior-Princess]

I remember another Rachel circa 2017 .... One of Rachel Lindsay's final 2, Peter Kraus. Not the LEAD, A CONTESTANT, told Rachel that he couldn't propose, "it was too fast, he's not ready!" And everybody APPLAUDED HIM & DEMONIZED RACHEL! Said she was "a gold digger, she only wanted a proposal (Gasp!), only wanted the ring, that she "settled" for Bryan Abasolo"! It's difficult to NOT SEE THE HYPOCRISY!!!!! Now if you visit those same comment sections it's full of "she made the right decision, Bryan was the right choice...." People KNOW NOTHING ...they think they can' make lifelong decisions for OTHERS with LIMITED, TO NO, TO Cleverly PRODUCER EDITED INFORMATION!!!! And AGAIN people are TERRIBLE LISTENERS... Bc what I heard EVEN AFTER Matt spoke to his Mom, (the one many are BLAMING for derailing Matt proposing), was that Matt SAID he was going to "pray about it"! And since he prayed in public with the women at the opening of the show... I have every reason to believe that he prayed in private over this VERY IMPORTANT DECISION! MATT decided NOT TO PROPOSE and stepped out of the Bachelor Bubble into a FIRESTOM of hate AND hurtful information! Maybe God KNOWS BEST!!! And let's respect His guidance of Matt!!!!

[@TheYogib1969]

God will never bless no mess. God always knows best.

[@JuLayLeeBee]

I change my mind, Matt would’ve been done in marrying into that family LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@DaveNealComedian]

and thats what we do, we change our opinions based on new information. I still think there is a world where his love for her could transcend this all, but the window of that opportunity closes with everyone of these 'instances'

[@GabbyTeAma]

@@DaveNealComedian spot on once again Dave lol

[@eldio2124]

Facts. In hindsight Matt looks like a genius. That family is racist as hell

[@karibu1361]

@JuLayLeeBee Matt dodged a bullet of "home grown racism." Rach was being pushed on Matt by producers, at all costs. They vet contestants - knew of her past. (This is the way of the franchise.)... He did not get engage - not enough love there - not the 1st - won't be the last... - she wanted to win; & fame...Matt dodged that bullet. He can now go on with his life...

[@jeannebuckner1859]

Rachael would have been done too. I get where you are coming from!

[@ashtonv1730]

May be another reason why Matt broke it off with her- knew stuff about her family? I would not want to marry into that... Commented before you got to that-great minds think alike, Dave! 😉

[@TheStilinski24]

I think that actually could’ve been a big contributor. No matter how much she changed he may never really be accepted into her family

[@jaci7974]

Yeah I mean it’s one thing to let Rachel grow and consider coming back together, but marrying into a family like that would destroy his mental health. I really hope he moves on

[@ashtonv1730]

@@TheStilinski24 I do too!

[@ashtonv1730]

@@jaci7974 agree 100% I feel for him deeply.

[@NT-bz5nh]

I suspect the family caused issues.

[@jensblingyadventures6546]

I agree they both need to just work on their issues and move forward and grow. Clearly Matt wasn’t ready for what he signed up for aside from all the controversy. He would have stumbled and wondered if he was ready even if it was Michelle she dodged that bullet. I wish them all the ability to move on and find what they are looking for in the future. Just like every relationship learn from it and move on!!!

[@alexajones2593]

The leads Made money and fame there were other motives here. He didn’t really want to get married

[@estelitat.6412]

Thanks for the updates!!! Also, you look exhausted!!!

[@linda1541]

You make a good point about his silence. I hope someday he is able to explain it when he’s ready. I hope the best for both of them. BTW, it sounds like you’re getting sick 🤒 please get some rest and take care of yourself. ❤️

[@ohwafah]

Here before the 30K, because daveeee you’re growing. And fast! Also hello from Singapore (again)

[@iLov3makeupx]

I don’t understand how this girls family can be racist when her dad looks ethnic. But then again, a lot of other minorities in diverse countries are still close minded and racist, including some of my family members and friends.

[@Fay1106]

That's honest

[@KelseyMarieeMusic]

Some food for thought that came to mind as I was listening-here in the South people believe in free speech to the 100th degree, even hate speech that they themselves would never condone and personally find disgusting and harmful. I do wonder if her lack of deleting posts/comments as an admin spawns for an idolization of unregulated free speech rather than condoning the content itself. Not saying I agree, but it doesn’t seem like a stretch that this could be the case. Now, if she’s “liking” those posts/comments, that’s obviously an indicator that it’s about more than free speech. So many layers to consider for this whole story. My heart goes out to Matt and Rachel. This whole thing sucks.

[@DaveNealComedian]

I like the free speech argument and I appreciate your comment. Free speech obviously can apply to the law. Kim Kirkconnell can’t be arrested (obviously) for bring an admin to this group. BUT the Facebook group represents people that would now exist in Matt’s life if he marries Rachael. Imagine the ptsd that may come with knowing you have to visit your in-laws. Forsyth county already has a horrid history.

[@betteurbain7911]

@@DaveNealComedian Did not realize that it was Forsyth County. Tamla Horsford!

[@nk47100]

Do people in the South believe in Kind speech? Her family are supposed to be Christians. So instead of deleting the posts, why didn’t she challenge them or engage the posters in a conversation? I don’t buy that at all. You can not want to delete someone’s words but still hold them accountable for them - the mother should not have just let that sit there unchallenged.

[@KelseyMarieeMusic]

@@DaveNealComedian I couldn’t agree more that in my opinion this should be a non-negotiable deal breaker in terms of Matt ever considering a relationship with Rachel. Super unfortunate, but as a wife, I can attest to the fact that having a relationship with your in-laws is super important and affects almost every aspect of your relationship. Definitely wouldn’t be healthy for Matt to have in-laws like this-would cause general toxicity on top of legitimate, horrible PTSD. In terms of free speech, people here don’t even view it as solely a legal thing. They think the policing of speech anywhere is unethical, so I can imagine if Kim Kirkconnell were to delete posts/comments it would go against her conscience and values in that way (again-I’m not saying that’s right. In my opinion, there should absolutely be a line.) Not sure if this is helpful or unhelpful, but my family is from Forsyth County and are amazing, progressive, loving people with diverse friend groups who actively advocate for inclusion and love. Not everyone in FoCo is tainted by the county’s roots, which are certainly very, very dark. Still, culture there at large is very, very different from the rest of the country. That’s why I like to pop in and explain the mindset of those places from time to time, because I think a lot of these people are well-meaning and have no idea the depths of harm they’re causing, and I truly believe that their actions would be entirely different if they did have that understanding. Because ultimately, their hearts are loving and they’re very accepting of people of all kinds; they’re just wildly ignorant when it comes to history and the impact of celebrating it or even “honoring” it. I know several of people with confederate flags in their homes who are incredibly loving and including, they just genuinely have no idea why flying that flag would be an issue. I don’t think ignorance is an indicator of conscience or character-rather, I think ignorance is a sign of deeply-needed education, personal growth, and exposure to cultures like those in the North who see these things so differently. My high school’s mascot was the Rebels, and everyone -black, white, Asian, Indian, Native American, etc-flew the confederate flag at football games. I never attended because my parents are from the North and had taught me about the flag, but none of the teachers, parents, or students I knew (from all backgrounds) could even comprehend an issue with it. It’s a different world down here. A lot needs to change, and education must come from a place of wanting better for people, not judging them. Like I said, even our own teachers flew the rebel flag, so the idea of it being r@cist is laughable to folks who grew up with people of all cultures celebrating it, because they have genuinely never been exposed to it in a negative light. That needs to change. The conversations you’re having here are so, so important. Thank you for opening the dialogue in a way that is accessible to people in these Southern communities.

[@KelseyMarieeMusic]

@@nk47100 totally agree. She should have replied and said, “Hey, this isn’t a place to share hate. You’re free to have your opinion, but this is a space for supporting Rachel, not bringing Matt down. Reconsider and measure your words, or please take them elsewhere.” That should be the absolute bare minimum, especially as a Christian. Free speech should be met with kind speech. We need to use our free speech to communicate when the sentiments of others are unacceptable. It does feel indicative of what’s going on with her mom that she hasn’t responded. Disappointing, to say the least, to hear her silence.

[@tonibrooks9719]

I was rooting for Matt and Rachel but this new information is going to make it even more difficult for Matt to heal and forgive. Now he has to question if he wants to get involved with a woman who’s family has racial ignorance as well. I think we can kiss this one goodbye.

[@courtneymichelle5746]

Now Matt has a lot of issues he clearly needs to work past, but everyone has been giving him so much shit since Monday.😐 I really feel for him, he already felt like he had a weight on his shoulders as a black man in America and having trauma from his childhood, then he felt more pressure trying to represent the entire black community as the first black Bachelor and now most of the internet is attack him. This is so not okay :(

[@888Arim]

Great analysis Dave.

[@jillymulligan4416]

For five cents what on earth was the mom thinking!🤦🏻‍♀️ unbelievable. Dave I appreciate your fairness.

[@monimoni305]

The term Antebellum is etched in slavery and racism. Why do you think the country music group Lady Antebellum changed their name to "Lady A!" The area in which Rachel's family lives sees this as okay. That too is problematic.

[@Zaiblm]

Actually there already was an black artist named Lady A and they tried suing her to take her name.

[@monimoni305]

Really, I never knew that

[@jeannebuckner1859]

Cancel culture...it,is the politically correct thing to do.

[@jenmurphy7777]

I thought it was very interesting that Matt James was so polished and well spoken the entire season. He was so on point with every conflict and conversation that was presented to him....until the final two episodes. What happened there? Was it more difficult for him to be so poised with the last two women because feelings were involved. I don't know...any thoughts?

[@janh7964]

I think that the pressure got to him. I think that he really wanted to find someone to love and share a future with but the Bachelor franchise pushes so hard for an engagement in the last episode that it was too much for him. Even his wording with Rachel was that he couldn't propose but loved her enough to see where their relationship would go. Then, the whole social media thing broke and it complicated things. As it got closer to the end, I think that Matt become more concerned about getting hurt and began doubting his readiness and ability to do this. He was so hurt by a couple of the women that he really cared about pulling themselves out of the competition and I think that scared him. That's why he did that whole sit down scenario with his father. I think that aside from the Rachel/racism situation, Matt needs counseling to address the hurts from his family-of-origin issues before he will be ready for a commitment like marriage.

[@7lillie]

Well, I first heard the term 'sundown town' from listening to nikkistar tv recaps - towns where black men historically have been lynched after dark; Rachael may be on her own journey to enlightenment but her family may not be; Matt doesn't need to put himself in harms way

[@charlieos3451]

The area she’s from has a horrifying history. I couldn’t imagine trying to plan a bi-racial wedding there. Look up “Forsyth County history” if you want to learn more. It’s bad. Real bad.

[@Xoxoxoxoxc]

Rachaels hometown is a red flag for any black person. Forsyth county has notorious history of racism and driving all the black people out

[@lboogi]

Sundown Towns historically lynch, r**pe, attack Black people... not just Black men. Black men are not the only victims of racial violence

[@7lillie]

@@lboogi that's true that violence would be against us all, if we were there; i had men in mind because of Matt. I caught the original live this host did following the final and the white people in the comments were going wild, had to help push back. Think I'll stick with Nikki and Wah from now on, less frustrating!

[@lboogi]

@@7lillie like Nikki says racism is a helluva drug. It’s sad.

[@carlyk8970]

Go away Rachael’s mom. You’re not helping.

[@Tropicalflava7]

Matt is a victim of circumstance unfortunately! He did the right thing!

[@gosshawknova6607]

DAVE DAVE DAVE; Have to disagree; there was absolutely no indication that Matt James would ever take Rachel back. He said she was on her own for her journey, and was obviously still angry would not even hug her. Why do you keep saying they could get back together? obviously they could but no indication whatsoever from him.

[@ilovegoodsax]

Yes -- the relationship is clearly over.

[@jmack7281]

He did hold her hand, fingers interlocked, which I think is more personal than a hug. He seemed like he was on the verge of tears. I think he loves her but obviously not her actions. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't... ya know? It's gotta hurt like hell to be in that situation. I think they will always be each others "one who got away" for lack of a better term.

[@rubiirae]

Where is Rachael’s dad when the mom is acting like a nut case? Is he even allowed to freely walk around the house? 🥴 Someone’s gotta ban her from social media platforms cos she’s making it so much worse for Rachael.

[@keishapuryear8180]

My feeling is the dad is far worse!

[@rubiirae]

Keisha Puryear he could be but at least he’s sensible enough to know not to put his face & his name all over the internet causing Rachael more emotional trauma.

[@lordreyna6924]

Dave loving the hard work!! Make sure u get some tea and honey to soothe the voice. ❤️ ya.

[@lauraburnett2908]

I appreciate you doing the best you can to find a positive way forward while still sharing what’s going on. I can’t keep up with all of it and that’s why I subscribe to your channel! I wish the best for everyone involved and I hope that Rachael can learn and grow from this while at the same time, helping her mom and the rest of her family grow as well. Things happened in the past when a lot of people were clueless about how it affected others. I for one am so thankful for the spotlight that has been shown on white privilege and racism and I pray that the growth continues to spread in this country. I want to be proud of my country again and that has been difficult lately.

[@justmemadison]

From all accounts, she is a mother trying to support her daughter -- let her know she's not alone in all of this and there are people that believe in her. She doesn't understand the cesspool that is social media and how the most innocent, well-intentioned, acts can have devastating consequences.

[@uofmicha]

Now you see where the daughter gets it from and saw no problem with the antebellum themes.

[@ThatsMyBlackOpinion]

Great content, as usual. Thank you.

[@cwhiteco]

Matt’s After the Rose performance has contributed to his back lash. Not giving a two minute conversation to Michelle who was clearly devestated. How distant he was with Rachel wasn’t a good look for him from a perception standpoint. That’s on him. He doesn’t handle confrontation well. Freezes and runs.

[@donnaruckman3306]

i agree with you Dave the group should not have been made .

[@nk47100]

I’ve only seen the first couple minutes but oh my gosh. Also not surprised. I made a comment on an earlier video that watching her parents on the hometowns freaked me out. It’s clear they were not happy about their daughter ending up with a Black man. This and her community is where her actions came from. I know she didn’t want to blame her upbringing on ATFR but now she does need to call her parents out.

[@Hallelujur]

I already knew it was her upbringing.

[@nk47100]

@@Hallelujur yes, me too, from day 1. As a POC. it’s obvious to me. I’ve dealt with enough racism in my life to know.

[@NT-bz5nh]

@@nk47100 same here.

[@mgtfox]

Hey Dave, will you be making a video over Matt's interview on the Bill Simmons Podcast?

[@DaveNealComedian]

I’m gonna hafta listen to it and see if there’s anything new and what to talk about!

[@adb7771]

I think you're right! Great review

[@ggqnice]

Dave my knuckles were swollen and painful after I ate pizza Friday night. Welcome to the 30 and over club!😂

[@DaveNealComedian]

Hahaha thank you for welcoming me in ;) if I even see a garlic knot my joints ache

[@ggqnice]

@@DaveNealComedian Ditto!

[@4everArtista]

Most of Bachelor nation is white, so it is not surprising that most of the comments sympathize with Rachel. Most of the few black viewers do not. Me being one of them.

[@alexajones2593]

You can’t cancel history live with it but don’t start a civil war over it.

[@annm2075]

New sub here... well said, well analyzed!! 👏

[@DaveNealComedian]

thanks so much! my thought is always to make a longer video if it means turning over more stones.

[@shaq8596]

its very clear to see that her family has had a influence in how ignorant she was/is

[@shircas01]

Still watching the video but I agree, this isn't a good look for Rachael. I disagree with Matt personally and do think he caved to societal pressures, but that's just my opinion I feel like Matt was in a lose lose situation. It would have been great for her mom to put in the FB group what she said in that exact Sun article which was that if he chooses to stay with Rachael then it'll show he truly loved her, if not then it's ok, there's someone out there for her as well as her saying she respects whatever decision Matt makes.

[@DaveNealComedian]

Ya thanks for the comment! Making a group or even being a member of a group sort of creates a platform that spirals south real quickly

[@garygorny]

It's "not a good look for Rachael's MOM. If you read Rachael's response and what she did after, you'd see it's a VERY good look for her.

[@sonimanderson5160]

Praise to the Almighty God , That Matt Dump those Racist. Family , 🏃‍♂️ Run 🏃‍♀️ Run 🏃 Matt it can’t work it will not work .Run my black king 👑 Run

[@Maya_Man]

I wish you could interview these Matt and Rachel They should know there is someone with a social media platform who is compassionate understanding and genuinely kind

[@marykappler8643]

Great video! Thank you!

[@Ben-xl7fq]

Matt wasn’t just silent? He was clearly hating on Rachael and was no gentleman.

[@IAmNotNicolex]

HAPPY FRIDAY!!!!

[@DaveNealComedian]

Same to you! Tgif as we said in the 90’s ;)

[@chinyerelartey5607]

Love your videos cousin Dave! You’ve become America’s humorous voice of reason 🤩👍🏽👍🏽

[@anais937]

Rachael doesn’t care lol. She didn’t say who is to blame for her ignorance towards the antebellum thing because she knows it’s her family.

[@cleigh113]

You don't know shit...

[@mikaylalange3228]

People are so quick to throw around the word racist and racism. I think if we actually realized and acknowledged what it truly is, we can truly make progress as a society.

[@indigodaystripes]

I think you should also listen to people when they say they dont need to be called a slur to know they are experiencing racism and brushing everything off is the actual reason racism has managed to persist still today.

[@mikaylalange3228]

@@indigodaystripes I never said that wasn’t the case ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@teriwelshanscp3528]

Dave, you are such a sensible person, and with your podcast and the way you delve into issues of the day, you are also extremely knowledgeable about 'all things Bachelor and Bachelorette.' I wish the Bachelor franchise would ask YOU to host their show! I'm not even joking. Keep up the great work. I love what you're doing on your platform.

[@raiden031]

Do you really think with all that went down they would consider bringing in a white male to host?

[@DaveNealComedian]

I have zero desire for the job but I appreciate you Teresa! ;)

[@michaelnickens8793]

You're a good guy. Way to keep the show positive and empathetic. No shockers here. Rachel is a sweetheart did nothing wrong. Matt had the deck stacked against him in most but not all ways since childhood. Rachel's mom loves here daughter, but is a different generation. I feel for all of them.

[@xxBabyK619xx]

They changed the name so the group can’t get reported.

[@michellesimpson3187]

Thanks for exposing her mom! Her daughter is a better person than she is!

[@nat4695]

Lots of the baby boomer generation don’t really understand what is and isn’t acceptable social media wise

[@1gloriosa1]

While i agree it's sad Matt clearly had commitment issues prior to even picking someone, he is no way responsible for having to go through this. In fact, bringing up how Matt ended things with other women in this context just takes away from the point he is being racially attacked. We again need to stop centering the forgiveness of this women and instead support of those affected by her, and now her mothers actions. Even in this video you split time between saying this is bad for Matt and bringing up feeling bad for Rachael. I have been following your videos and to be honest I've been disappointed on how you covered the final rose ceremony. As a someone who has and has had family members experience racism/ignorance from their partner family/friends, there's a lot of things you have to take into account when deciding to moving forward. I do appreciate you mentioning that podcast, because those women have been doing great work amplifying BIPOC voices/ experiences.

[@elizabethreyes3599]

Watching your videos after work to unwind is my form of self care #teacherlife 😂

[@Naeruve]

Neal, I was watching a Netflix do u series called Amend with Will Smith and it is so incredibly important. I think it should be required viewing for all Americans and ir ciukd help some of your audience members that don't understand where Matt's coming from. Thank you!

[@runnerX007]

poor Rachael. I truly believe she wants to do the right thing and is trying so hard to fix the hurt she unintentionally caused. It seems like everyone is making this as difficult as possible for her! First it's like she "can't win" since she was attacked first for her silence and then for being performative, and now her mom--who I'm sure is just in mama bear mode after seeing the pain her daughter is going through--is only making things worse by counteracting what Rachael is trying to do. :-(

[@51wobetmit]

I had commented here that Rachael's mom was probably made a moderator, because I saw the message where someone was proposing creating it. I deleted but I wish I hadn't. So, I was right according to Dave's latest video. So the people posting hateful comments were violating the group's rules.. Rachael's mom was made her a moderator by the group admins on Tuesday night so she could help them weed out the hateful stuff, and so Rachael found out about it right away and was reacting to that. But I can't blame anyone for jumping to conclusion, because I did too. :-(

[@DaveNealComedian]

Imagine being stuck at work trying to provide for your family, knowing when you get home you’ll be sifting through messages to clean up the rampage created because your daughter is wildly hated. It’s a tough position for any mom.

[@51wobetmit]

@@DaveNealComedian totally!

[@klrabbitts]

I don't believe in hate for anyone, so, any page, fb or otherwise should be removed. There should also not be people hating on Rachael in support of Matt. It goes both ways. This is what is wrong with our country. People take any opportunity to shame, hurt and degrade others. sad state of affairs. Propping one up by degrading another is just as bad. Just my opinion. This and 5 cents will get you absolutely nothing. Just so sick of seeing the constant hate. You can't educate people by marginalizing and shaming them.

[@allthingsgood4u]

Isn't it possible that a group can be non racist that wanted to originally just support a girl going through a very tough time and being misjudged. A mama bear's heart would be touched by that. Can we accept that a mother's motives come from love, not hate toward a race! Where does trust begin?

[@hailuafamily]

I think it started out as a mother's good intention to help her daughter during the backlash but I don't think her mother realize it got bad to bashing Matt so her Mom removed herself from the admin. As a mother, I understand where she is coming from. Can you imagine her daughter's image is completely tarnish after this and there is no way she can bounce back from being labeled as racist.