Radar Used On Freight Trains! Cool RR Bridge Almost Hit By Semi Trucks! 83MPH?! No Way Lolz

[@donaldstanfield8862]

Hahaa, could raise that rail bridge with a couple boxes of Legos...LOL Beautiful scene of curved Bridge, JT! Thanks, wondered about center rails, no one ever mentions them that I've seen.

[@marietarallo3403]

Awww! I just love your pets. Especially the kitty. ❤️😻

[@JawTooth]

Thank you! 😊

[@marcomcdowell8861]

That cat loves her dad. Rescues have a different bond than a purchased or gifted pet...oh and trains!

[@JawTooth]

So true!

[@martinmarsola6477]

An interesting video today. A busy afternoon. Thanks for the pets also.

[@JawTooth]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@tinindian9543]

Great job jaw, love the up close top and bottom bridge shots !

[@nancyhodges444]

Thanks for pointing out the “guardrail “ on that bridge Jawtooth. That’s something I’ve been wondering about for a long time now I know, pretty clever. Those semi trucks are flirting with disaster going under that same bridge . Awesome actually JT. Thanks 🚂👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@sms4925]

Whoa! Tight squeeze for those semi trucks going under the bridge!

[@Morganstein-Railroad]

Cool Bridge, Brian. Love those heritage units.

[@JawTooth]

Me too!

[@ut000bs]

On a rainy day that bridge wipes the water off of the top of those trailers. lol A lot of phosphoric acid and ethanol tank cars on that last train. I like that spot. It's away from crossings and lets the engineers give you a greeting with a couple of toots. I could hear that first engineer say, "I think that was Jaw Tooth!" Another good video!

[@michaelsmodelrailroading7665]

What a GREAT catch: NS Loco #8102 in Pennsylvania maroon 5-stripe Keystone heritage livery, on the point! Absolutely CLASSIC! And a nice close-up of the bridge details -- very classic civil engineering stuff, including the "pin-ended" bridge footings.

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@davidmeek3104]

Good morning Brian wow that was close but I love the speed of the train so at least you got something that will tell the speed thank you very much have a great day and God bless from the great state of Kentucky

[@Thomas1980]

I wish you a good day and good health. keep up the good work!

[@musclecarmitch908]

That's a really cool spot! Great view of those bridge's! You find the coolest spots! Thanks for sharing Jawtooth!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for watching!

[@conexioncosmicaarcturiana]

BUEN DIA JAW BUENA VELOCIDAD LLEVAN VUESTROS TRENES ALLI,GRACIAS.

[@brothermatthews1300]

Hey Jaw Tooth, Thanks for the videos. I'm an old conductor from the C&O. I used to run from Newport News to Gladstone, VA on the Peninsula and James River Sub-Divisions. I also worked ACCA Yard on the RF&P, the Rock Trains, going up the Piedmont Sub. I know you like to get approach shots, and the engines going by, however, I want to alert you, that when you are in close quarters like you were in this video with the first train, it is very dangerous for you to turn your back on the train. Quite often load restraints, or loads break free and are dragged or stick out from the train. If your back is turned to the direction of the train is traveling, you place yourself in great danger. Always face the direction the train is coming from. Also, make sure in those tight quarters that you always have a way to escape should a derailment at speed happens. You always want an out. Never assume nothing is going to happen. Be safe out there and thank you for your time, efforts, and videos. ....But wait there's more!!!!

[@mshum538]

Good advice also keeping in mind train movements happen on any track in any direction any time, todays mainlines are TCS “ traffic controlled systems “….B&O 40 years…

[@robertschindler9377]

Thank ypu for ‘waiting’ for railroad activities. . . Your patience rewards all of us rail fans.

[@JawTooth]

More to come!

[@nancylynch6045]

I saw Norfolk Southern locomotive on another train video channel. (yes, I've been seeing other train channels. ) It was between a couple BNSF locomotives in Hisperia, CA. A long way from home. Thanks for the explanation of those strange rail things on bridges. And thank you for all the waiting you do to get these videos.

[@cat441]

amazing how that first train was blowing as it went by. Pretty awesome, thanks always :D

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for watching!

[@MAGronemeyer]

The standard height for a semi tractor trailer rig is usually about 13' 6". The height sign on that trestle is 13' 10" in height, giving the rig only 4" of clearance.

[@denimadept]

Which, assuming they don't add layers of pavement, should be fine.

[@exelasantiago2440]

Freakin' scary to see

[@RandyCRR]

Don’t forget about snowpack on the road during winter?

[@denimadept]

@@RandyCRR Not generally an issue in that state.

[@DougCeleste]

@@RandyCRR GREAT point!

[@TheCheffydave]

By straight on ,I think they mean turn and directly face the train straight on to get the speed,no angle shots. First train gave you a nice horn salute, PRR Heritage Unit on the lead for the second train

[@josephksufman4416]

I have subscribed to your channel for a couple months. I have also watched some other rail videos. I keep on coming back , what makes you different and better than anyone else is before a train arrives we get a view of interesting things in the area or town you are in. If you look at an old video and a newer video of the same location it is interesting to see what has changed and most important the way you shoot with your commentary is the best. Keep up the good work.

[@351linzdoctor]

Oh Yea! Jawtooh Getting Another Horn Toot! 🤩🤩🤩

[@merccadoosis8847]

Wow - great capture of those trucks going just underneath the bridge - it fact, it's kinda spooky. Just imagine what damage such a collision could cause. I've seen bridge barriers like the one you pointed out but in all honesty never quite knew what they were for. Well, you learn something new every day! Thanks for sharing.

[@Herman-ej4xn]

You as Truck Driver need to be informed on where your truck can or cannot fit under a bridge 😂

[@stephenrickjr.7519]

Twenty years ago a semi and 3 cars ahead of me all ran a red light. Which led to an underpass. The semi was in front, it hit the low railroad bridge and stopped right now. The trailing cars slammed into the truck and each other. I stopped at the light and got a ringside seat view. Luckily no one was hurt. I really like the heritage engines I only have the Savanah & Atlanta, thanks, 😊 👍!

[@charlottecunningham2141]

Oh boy. We have two “can opener’s” in Roanoke va. One is in a tunnel and above it is a rail yard for NS. The other is a few miles away and NS owns that. Got you a nice salute from first loco

[@Chic047]

You always have some interesting information on all things that you come across. The clearance on the bridge seems daunting. I like the area very much. OMG The Pennsylvania Heritrage 8102 again!! LOL I like the colors on it a lot. Shoutout to Chessie and Norfie!!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for watching!

[@avlisk]

Whoever came up with the idea for "heritage" units deserves a big chocolate cake and a pat on the back. They are sooooo cool.

[@rebelbaron7003]

Yes I agree wholeheartedly. Great marketing ploy by NS but now,take it to the next level. Redeploy the Heritage units to spend more time in the markets they served. The Pennsylvania unit to spend time in Philly,Allentown,Wilkes Barre,Reading,Altoona,Pittsburgh etc. New York Central to spend time in NYC,Albany,Syracuse,Buffalo,Rochester etc etc.

[@northfloridarails2136]

They all need a bath badly.

[@Tested333]

But I don't like chocolate ;)

[@LLOPEZJF]

EVERY DAY I FIND SOMETHING NEW IN THESE VIDEOS... THIS WAS VERY INTERESTING !!

[@shawnpowell5876]

Great video JT of the NS trains going over that bridge. Man you lucked out getting to see the PRR HERITAGE UNIT again! Most people can't get lucky enough to see any HERITAGE UNIT once lol! The last NS train was pulling 132 cars! That bridge is very unique to be built w a curve. Thanks again for sharing your videos with us along with your time and effort!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks!

[@billmorris2613]

Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 11 May 22.

[@Herman-ej4xn]

Nice Rail Side Salute 😂

[@CBQvet]

So glad for your dedication, never knew you waited like a day or 2 and never saw a single train. Your videos make it look so easy! Thankyou!

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@alanpearce9071]

Being from Milwaukee, I watch for the old Railroads that served our area,C&NW, Milwaukee Road, Wisconsin Central, Wisconsin and Southern and SOO LINE. Saw an old SOO covered hopper at about 4:00.

[@alanpearce9071]

And then a couple of green C&NW hoppers at about 13:00.

[@hendrikhendrix4987]

that technic you showed in the clip at the beginning of that bridge we have the same here with all railroad bridges here and they date back to 1889 and still in use to this day with hundreds of trains passing by every day

[@brianhickey5949]

That's a pretty cool bridge. Some serious engineering went into it :) It has all the usual stresses of a bridge and then add in the turn and all those stresses. Nice!

[@vesubioromo9425]

Chessie, DT&I, and a curved bridge. Cool.

[@Hyrev1]

Cool views JT! I remember once back in late 90s, hauling a load of bee hives on a drop deck, had to unhook the height control valves to squeeze under a bridge somewhere around Provo Utah. Luckily it was at night and cooler so the bees didn't get riled up!

[@boynesstrainworld8481]

It's always nice to see a live train I can't believe I look at trains differently than I did 4 years ago

[@andrefane5499]

Amazing videos jaw tooth keep up the good work

[@JawTooth]

Thanks! Will do!

[@AgentMulder1805]

Thanks for the great vids Tooth, from Aussie rail family. Your the best son. Lovin' the speed gun, some of those trains are really bookin' #JawTooth 🐈‍⬛🚞🚃🐕

[@train1962]

Great place with a few good catches.Nicely done.

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@petebachelder1131]

That was cool, the first train was tapping his horn for you, no road there pretty obvious !! Good thing he wasn't going 83 mph he'd fly right off the curve. Neat looking bridges, yeah that 13' 10" is pretty tight, hopefully they don't pave the road without removing the old surface, trucks will hit it then. Another awesome video !! 👍 👍 👍

[@curtisdavis5556]

Outstanding and informative railfan video in rual Ohio, thank you. Love the close-up shots of the trains, the local historical background, and the operational issues facing both the railroad and community every time a truck goes under that 13’6” high bridge. Loved the video.

[@draff1662]

This is just a great video! Very cool to see the PRR Heritage unit again. Thanks, Jaw Tooth.

[@JawTooth]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Eddy63]

That 1st train gave you a toot ... Nice catches Son ... Thx my friend for sharing ...

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for watching

[@garykuipers2696]

We get a lot of bridge strikes in NJ at the older railroad underpasses, some are only 10'8 in height. Mostly are the rented straight box trucks. These bridges are well marked in advance, too and many GPS's will inform of bridge height. Bridge strikes delay a train until a railroad bridge inspector determines the strike doesn't knock the bridge and track out of alignment.

[@carlossanchez-kz4wh]

Someone a long time ago told me that NJ drivers can't drive

[@michaelhewitt258]

Yeah, I noticed some drivers in Michigan Are the same

[@deetjay1]

DOT issues bridge alerts all over the country...There really is no excuse for bridge strikes...

[@carlossanchez-kz4wh]

@@michaelhewitt258 I live on Long Island NY and I see NJ drivers everyday

[@torchandhammer]

@@carlossanchez-kz4wh Isn't there an expwy there that doesn't allow semi trucks because of the low bridge clearances?

[@joshbenton4080]

Cool video Jaw Tooth! Interesting that Norfolk Southern has kept that 1914 built "open deck" plate girder overpass in it's original configuration. I live in Staten Island and there's a similar structure from 1910, recently painted in B&O's "Royal Blue" and that structure sits about 13' 6 1/2" above the road. The overpass is on a part of an abandoned railroad line on Staten Island that hadn't seen a train since the early 1990's and was restored about 15 years ago. (There were a few tie replacement projects done to the tracks in the late 90's, along with partial clearing of the ROW of brush, but the line wasn't reopened till about 2006.) Many city ordinances had actually banned the construction of open deck plate girder overpasses in the 1910's, because debris from freight trains can fall through the tracks and injure people. Many railroad companies modified their open deck overpasses with a concrete deck, like the CSX ex C&O bridge beside the NS bridge where you shot this video. The former C&O bridge was likely built as an open deck bridge, but was converted to a ballasted deck one. I especially liked the PRR Heritage diesel, that was pretty much the "icing on the cake". Keep up the good work, stay safe and God bless.

[@ejc7129]

Great video...that Bridge is really quite low 🤔 Love those Black snd White PROCOR tank wagons 😎👍🏽🇬🇧

[@johnmartin4650]

Thanks as always JT…….all good stuff…best to you and yours….

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@robertlatham8657]

What beautiful weather and I thought that first train was a fast one at leastwise to my eyes. And that guard rail was very interesting too.

[@jasonhadfield1551]

Awesome video jawtooh

[@signeehoffman4625]

Those trucks racing under that bridge really freaks me out. Thanks for the investment of patience it took to catch that heritage train. Wow!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for watching!

[@robbcamp682]

JAWTOOTH Enjoyed another video of yours this afternoon. Robb Camp Suffolk Virgibia. On a side note my grandfather was an engineer on Norfolk Western in the 60's. Let Portsmouth Va to Wilson N.C. 3 TIMES A WEEK!

[@billmorris2613]

If a car derails on the bridge the guard rails should keep the car/s on the cross ties if the car/s remain upright. It’s much quicker and a whole lot less expensive to replace damaged ties and rail than the structure of the bridge.

[@LilJigglypuff999]

I love the scenery on that bridge. The curve with the incline looks neat. Thanks for the info about the guardrails. I had no idea that’s actually what they were for.

[@JawTooth]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@andrewmacintosh6240]

Great catch Jaw Tooth Have a great day . Love the video . All the best cheers Sincerely Andrew Macintosh

[@iskabibbledudad1991]

Fantastic video thanks Jaw Tooth with the tressals and fast moving trains just amazing

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@denimadept]

You should see the channel for the 11'4"(+8") bridge. They raised it 8" in 2019, but people still manage to hit it. It's a rail bridge which was raised by the rail company for their own reasons, not to help idiots. :->

[@xaviergaming9960]

Truck driver:I can fit Bridge:barely

[@michaelgarrity6090]

That old bridge has sure survived the test of time. Those semi trailers get a close shave heading under the bridge. No room for error. It's a wonder there aren't regular incidents of trailers hitting the bridge undersides. Norfie is no longer a little kitten. She almost full grown.

[@carlbentley80]

Cool bridges, thanks for your patience in waiting for the trains.

[@JawTooth]

Glad you like them!

[@mackfisher4487]

Trainspotting wish list, it would be nice if one had: 1. A radio scanner on railroad frequencies. 2. Radar or laser speed measuring gun 3. Automatic device to count number of cars that make up the train 4. A drone and FCC operators license

[@agolftwittler1223]

Jaw Tooth online. Literally. Nice old bridge. Stay on track Sir, love it 😎

[@ronhelman3985]

Hey Jawtooth, great video!!!! I do live in Warsaw and would be glad to show you around!!

[@JawTooth]

Sounds great!

[@JonathonWebb-mi2fb]

And jaw tooth and that's cool train video is a entertaining ❤😊

[@JonathonWebb-mi2fb]

Jaw tooth and that's train is booking what's the hurry ❤😊

[@jamescotter5376]

That's great the way you read the rail thank you for that another good one keep them coming brother

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@Patric5590]

Awesome video with the Pennsylvania railroad heritage unit again 👍😎🇺🇸🚂

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@roelofvenema6500]

Great excellent good video, mr Jaw Tooth. You had good weather when you made this video. The speed of the train on your radar is i think correct. The traindriver hold him on the instruction of NS. You feel shaking the ground when the train passing you. Wet ground under the tracks means easy on and lower speed. In the Netherlands whe have the same problems with the underground Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands.

[@JawTooth]

Thank you very much!

[@michaelhewitt258]

Greetings Netherlands

[@VlakynaSlovensku]

Another excellent video!! 👍

[@JawTooth]

Thanks again!

[@imodelrr]

Loved that Pennsy catch, AWESOME!!!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks!

[@ManuelChavez-fg2gd]

Jaw tooth , keep up the great work , and train videos you put up. Great job on showing us how fast trains run .👍🏼

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@tompoleet7665]

Thanks again JT! An old Trooper’s truck using radar was a: set up at bottom of hill ( autos pick up speed going downhill), b: hold the older radar guns against shoulder and straight arm the gun towards the auto to get a Faster speed to issue a ticket! 💸

[@JawTooth]

Interesting!

[@rodsmith3911]

Another cool location for train watching. Lovely 3 span plate girder bridge and on quite a sharp curve, which probably explains the 30 mph train speeds. I am intrigued by the way rail bridges in the US are completely open at the bottom and you can see the train going over it from below. In UK these bridges are always floored with heavy steel plate and the tracks often sit on waybeams (longitudinal heavy timbers supporting the rails) with no sleepers or ties. I have always understood that we do this so that nothing can fall from the train onto the road below. Just goes to show how things differ between countries. In UK all rail lines have to be fenced by the railway company to prevent anyone or any animals straying onto the tracks. Whereas in USA your tracks run through open country and through towns with no fences at all. Perhaps it's because the UK is so densely populated that the first railways were considered to be a danger to people. Incidentally it's qaint to us over here to hear trains with bells. Before we had steam whistles our early steam trains had bells (Locomotion no1 on the Stockton and Darlington being so fitted). Samson, a loco of the Leicester and Swannington Railway was the first to use a "steam trumpet" as it was originally called in the early 1830's. After that bells were no longer used except for locos on docks and roadside tramways. Samson was notable for being used on the first train from Leicester to pass through Glenfield tunnel (which was at the time the longest tunnel in the world!) it went in with a very tall chimney and came out the other end without it. Salutary lesson to the civil engineer about measuring the loading gauge! Rain

[@jackwatts8089]

It's close enough for us. Learned something.

[@Waynestarr]

Horn salutes are always awesome! 🔥

[@JawTooth]

You already know!

[@davidbrown4823]

Moncton has a underpass ever truck driver has got stuck under no matter the warnings. great to see the Pennsylvania unit. thank you.

[@JawTooth]

Thanks for the info

[@DougCeleste]

GREAT video JT! This has to be my favorite country scene where you film. GREAT still shots there at the end, too! Thanks for sharing. And OMG, those trailers are barely missing the bottoms of those bridges!! Have you ever run into any wildlife when filming, especially rattlesnakes? Just wondering. Have you ever been to North Platte, NE. to see the largest freight train yard in the world? Sure hope so! I have been in that city twice and finally saw the yard in 2008 after the Golden Spike Tower building opened. AWESOME views of the yard from the top level and retired train docents from that yard volunteer their services and share so much knowledge for visitors.

[@Chessie1985]

Another excellent video JT!!!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks again!

[@Chessie1985]

@@JawTooth You're welcome!!

[@Highballer44]

I think your radar readings were correct here, mostly the reading from the rear, the train looks like it's going faster than it actually is due to it's size.

[@aleu650]

Nice bridge, love the old riveted steel bridges. Those trucks circulate with a lot of "confidence"... several must have received a "tonsure". 🙂

[@kimscheie]

That bridge is same year as our high level bridge over n Saskatchewan river ....made exactly the same way ....Kool big guy 👦

[@hughgautier3894]

That last shot of the last car on that train was on the flat and level and you got an accurate speed. Cops can get speeders from the front or rear, and so can you. The guys in Great Britain go up on bridges to do the same thing, but they are also reading the license plate which tells them if the vehicle has its taxes paid and insurance or not.

[@kens.3729]

That would be really Scary driving a tractor trailer truck under the Bridge unless you’re moving really slow. 👍

[@JawTooth]

Very true

[@tomsdotter3228]

Great location! Those trucks going under the bridge made me nervous. We have a low bridge where I am and have had 4 bridge strikes so far this year. Awesome video!

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@TriGogglin]

Thats a cool location, that prr heritage looked good coming across there, you been seeing quite a bit, thats awesome.

[@JawTooth]

Thanks 👍

[@richlittle7159]

Hi Jaw Tooth. Thanks for all the great train videos. The speed gun is a great additional to the video. I've used the Bushnell speed gun for a neighborhood speed check of the commuter rail that runs through my area. That cosine effect is minor for the angle that you seem to be shooting. The commuter rail speed limit in my area (south of Boston) was 60 mph, and many claimed the units were going much faster. The speed gun data showed very few drivers exceeded 60 mph. In 3 months of data collection only two exceeded the limit. (both at 62 mph). most were 5-7 mph below the limit. Conclusion: I think your readings are very accurate. Trains just look like they are going faster because of their size and that fact that you are relatively close. Good Luck. Rich - south of Boston on the Kingston Line.

[@rebelbaron7003]

Wow.....maybe I heard wrong, but you went from "waiting two hours till a train showed up","not seeing a train all day" to again getting the Pennsylvania Railroad Heritage unit at close quarters. What great luck man. That is a way cool bridge. Since subscribing to your videos,I always thought you were tied into NS and CSX somehow and had a leg up on everyone else on getting these great trains. I hung out with my own crew of about 7 guys here in Langhorne,Pa. I could guarantee anyone a good 4 to 5 freights at any of 3 local locations. But,unfortunately,mostly CSX rusted camouflage GEVO's. It changed up when the Baaken oil fields trains started coming thru.We started seeing BNSF,UP,CPRail, locomotives but its gone back to all CSX. We have to take trips to Enola yards or Allentown yards to see other roads. I get excited about your vids cuz I never know what Im going to see. Aw....what the heck....guess Im still a simpleton....still go into the train coma watching my Lionel Santa Fe Super Chief F-3s go round and around the ovals.

[@1960gambit]

You and that Pennsylvania heritage unit must be soulmates. That`s like the 3rd time you`ve caught in about a month. We saw it in Kenova 3 weeks ago.

[@JawTooth]

I got it 4 times since the winter when I got it in a snow storm north of Hamilton

[@kenball8526]

I really appreciate you and your videos Mr. Jaw Tooth.

[@JawTooth]

Thanks Ken!

[@poowg2657]

Love the heritage unit and curved bridge. We've got a truck eater up here in town at 11ft, 6in. Despite being well marked it gets hit a lot, mostly by 5th wheel campers. Maybe radar guns are like firearms and throw out flyers every now and then. Thanks much!

[@cmeador2371]

Wow that is crazy. Wonder how many times that bridge has been hit. Cool location. Another great video thanks.

[@jerrykinnin7941]

Love that area. We run over to Rural King in Waverly sometimes. We go to Jackson and east of Portsmouth. They make concrete railroad ties in Portsmouth If your on the 823 bypass they're in a holler on your right before the bypass ends going south.

[@joeybarrow2934]

Most of the fun of watching trains is waiting for them!

[@JawTooth]

That was a fun area to hang out in. I saw a hawk attack a bird and I saved the bird . lol

[@joeybarrow2934]

@@JawTooth definitely live action!

[@mshum538]

@@JawTooth like👍

[@billmorris2613]

I did a little research and I found out that the radar works the way I thought it did. The last time I studied anything about radar I was in the Air Force. The radar gun becomes less accurate the steeper the angle to the target. At a 90 degree angle to the side of a vehicle it may read 0. If you could get in the bushes you could get a straight shot at the front of the locomotive as it approaches the bridge or on the bridge, with out the crew seeing you or the gun. You could also shoot the rear car straight on with it in the curve.

[@july8xx]

The 83 MPH was caused by reading two different points in sequence giving a false reading. Notice the reading was on the center beam car with large multiple points separated by a few feet. Multiple reflective surfaces close together can cause the most consistent errors.

[@edwardgatey8301]

So, radar guns are basically bollocks.

[@billmorris2613]

Edward Gatey What is your definition of the word bollocks? It has many.

[@heathwirt8919]

@@edwardgatey8301 When used correctly they are the most accurate way of measuring speed.

[@paulfalzarano5930]

You and your videos are the best!👌

[@markjolyn94]

Great video my friend!! That Pennsylvania unit really gets around

[@JawTooth]

Yes it does!

[@danielrongo2367]

Awesome job

[@JawTooth]

Thanks!

[@kevinrichards3288]

Now I know why railroad bridges have extra rails in the middle of the track.

[@charlesdulude1713]

You must have the patience of a monk to catch freight,but man you bring us some trains. I was out yesterday catching passenger trains easier they have schedules. Looked into your radar gun as far as I can tell a clear line of sight is all that you need. Great location super trains well done. Thanks again.

[@jamesharrison6201]

And a lot of the underpasses are a lot shallower because they have built up the roadbed with maintenance. I know of one in Chicago that stated 13 10-11 and started under. Halfway through, stacks set at 13 8 began to rub overhead so don't trust what the sign says